B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Michael: All right, so here we are, um-

Audree: In a different living room

Michael: Well, it's not
really the living room.

It's the sun porch at my dad's
house that's south-facing.

It's got windows on three sides.

It's this little, little, I
don't know, whatever, 9 by 11

room, so it's not very big.

And, uh-

Audree: I'm gonna pause for a
second, but you can continue talking.

Michael: Oh, okay.

So what-

So it's kind of like-- Well, I think
this is more like the on the road

edition, but not actually driving.

And, uh, the travel edition maybe.

So, uh, so we're here in
Toronto visiting family.

Uh, this is where I, I grew
up and came f- come from.

And, uh, we're actually in the
house I grew up in, which, uh,

I guess my dad's been here for
turning 57, so he's been here for 50

53 years, 54 years.

Yeah, and so

What is it?

Yeah, so, so two days ago we're on the
drive and, uh, later in the drive, I

think you heard an earlier recording
from the drive, and, uh, we were stopped

at this, uh, almost kind of historical
or abandoned, um, rest station.

Still functional.

And, uh, there was this moment
of just being present in the

blowing of the trees and,

and, and really just coming to this, this
present moment, the here and the now.

And

You know, there's this, there's this
talk of all you need to do is be present.

You know, just be present, just
be here, just pay attention

to what's happening with you.

But, but you know, really
all of that is just the mind

trying to pretend it's present.

It's all, it's all just
really in some ways fakery.

And, um, you know, not that,
that all of it's not helpful.

It's, it's very helpful to be
in awareness just in, in, in,

in, in develop our awareness.

It's the skill we're developing.

But really, like being in
the now is not a doing.

It's-- if you just either listen
to the words being in the now,

being in present state awareness.

And what I realized is that
this state of beingness

uh, for me happened after a very, very
deep surrender of understanding that

The mind cannot heal itself.

You know, Audrey has this, I,
I guess it's some teaching.

You know, the mind cannot cut itself.

Um, and but the, the thing that came
to me in one moment as a download is,

well, you can't do surgery on yourself.

Like, if you have to go under general
anesthetic and perform this major

operation, that's what's required for your
healing, you cannot do it on yourself.

And I think we were talking about
this with the, the stop struggling.

That when we stop struggling, us as
the ego consciousness, when we stop

that struggle, that allegiance to
thought, and we're still, then the,

the love of creation that is there
for us, that is us, can come in and do

the untangling.

And so, so, so after that, this process
in that moment of just being, oh,

oh my God, this is what the now is.

This is what it means
to actually be present.

I mean, you know, it's not, it's not
like s- it's not like you can do this.

It's not-- 'cause if you're trying to
do something or be that or whatever,

it's your mind trying to do that,
and the mind can't get there, right?

Our thoughts cannot create
a shift of beingness.

We can sharpen our awareness so that we
can reflect the, the mind back on itself

or the egoic conscious back on itself to
allow this evolutionary journey to unfold.

So there's value in it.

There's incredible value in it.

That's the, the, the whole journey.

But, but eventually we get to this
place of, of letting go of all the

efforting, all the trying, which
ultimately is, is a form of struggle.

And we let go of the whole
journey of, of doing anything

And, and get to a place of
actually being able to receive

everything that's there for us

And so, so, so that's
kind of the backstory.

And then, you know, we're here in
Toronto, we're doing, you know, people

things with family and, and, uh, and
so there's this one moment where, okay,

I'm okay, like I'm, I'm experiencing
thoughts in my head and some lower

frequencies and, okay, let me just go
into being here now and experiencing the,

the extraordinary reality of creation.

And, uh, I was in a, it was a room
and I was like feeling the room

and I'm, wow, this room is dead.

There's deadness here.

Like, it's not like when I look at our
trees and I see the wind blowing and

there's an aliveness and a connecting
with the aliveness of all creation.

There's a deadness.

And what I realized is we've,
we've, we've enslaved ourselves.

We've created and used materials,
low-frequency materials used

in low-frequency ways to create
low-frequency homes and environments

and, and things in those, those
buildings that we're-- we just created

these prisons for ourselves to keep
ourselves locked in what's happening.

And that's why, you know, there's this
intention we have around creating a sacred

intention for how do we live that, live
that, like in high vibrational frequency

is what the kind of the tagline was.

But what I'm understanding now at a
very direct experiential level is that

When we can't create that
future world from the mind.

It's only when we're connected in.

And of course, you know, people
who are creating a lot of beauty

in the world have these mystical
moments and these downloads.

They're tapping into the, the
beauty and the harmony of creation.

And that's why it's not about humans
living in harmony with nature, you

know, kumbaya, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's that we need the, the, the,
the, the frequency of creation,

of nature, of harmony with nature
for, to nurture our own beings.

Audree: Right.

To be healthy.

Michael: It's not to
help the planet, folks.

And this is like the newsflash
I just got right now.

It's to help your own being.

Your being is starved.

Mm-hmm.

Starved of the truth of what it is,
and malnourished by your home, by your

bed, by the fabrics you're wearing

You know, that's why there are these,
you know, well-intentioned and, you know,

and it's a good direction of, you know,
where was this material sourced from?

How was it created?

Audree: I wanna say something
else that's really important, too.

It's that the m- the, all the, the things
in your home and keeping your home messy,

like not making your bed, not folding your
clothes, not washing your dishes, having

counters that are filled with stuff.

Like, w- we kinda just live in, in this m-
messiness, and what happens, and I notice

this with, um, with our kids, it's like,
if you live in chaos, your life is chaos.

And, and so it's like, oh, I don't have
time to, to straighten up or whatever,

and things are on the floor, and- Right.

Michael: I don't have time
to look after my own being.

Audree: Right.

That directly impacts your reality,
your consciousness, your life.

Like, if you wanna clean up your
life and make it less stressful, m-

mess- less dramatic or challenging,
s- start with where you're living.

Michael: How you're living.

Audree: Tidy it up.

At least tidy it up.

I sound like a parent
right now … and you

Michael: go like, "Oh, well,
but there's too much stuff here.

I can't tidy it up."

It's like, well- Then

Audree: get

Michael: rid of
it … we're, get rid of it.

"No, no, I need that.

I might use that."

I mean, like, like, so that's the, that's-

Audree: I'm famous for that

Michael: that's the trap, right?

Mm-hmm.

That's the, that's the, you know, the
low frequencies in our, in our mind

telling you, "Oh, no, no, no, no.

You need to keep this thing," right?

That's

Audree: the consumer-based mentality that
we've been brainwashed into believing.

Like, even at one point, IKEA, like
IKEA is s- trying to sell their

products, so they create these rooms.

You know, you go upstairs, and you go
through room by room, and you notice that

all the rooms are just filled with stuff.

At one point, they stopped making
the beds and made the beds messy.

It used to drive me crazy,
and I'd be like, "People, we

don't need all this stuff.

You don't liv- need to live in a, in
a home or a room that's filled to the

brim with a whole bunch of stuff."

Michael: Yeah.

And at the same time, I appreciate
their efficient storage though.

Audree: Uh, well, I efficient…

Yeah, not efficiency, but, uh-

Michael: Yeah

… Audree: that they, they sell some
nice products for reasonable prices so

people can actually afford to, you know.

Like, they have the best mattresses.

Michael: And I love my Poäng IKEA chair.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Leather.

Audree: Oh, that's a classic.

Michael: Yeah.

All right.

Audree: Can't even…

They don't even make them like

Michael: that

Audree: anymore.

Michael: Yeah.

No, you can't get that, that
specific version anymore.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Anyway, so, so no, well, no, we
don't have stock in IKEA, just to clarify.

Um, so, so that's, that's what's
going on, and it's just, uh,

it's been quite a journey.

Quite a journey.

Audree: I think, you know, what we're,
we're, what we're coming to is that

how to be evolutionary, and we're
talking about the journey, and the

journey is not just about consciousness.

It's not just about processing and the
purification through the, you know, the,

the negative patterns and the, and all
the, you know, mechanics of creation.

It, it also includes the body.

It includes

At least at our house
it's like, you know A

Michael: bit further away from the road.

Audree: Um

It includes the environment
that you live in.

It includes, you know, the water
that you wash your body with.

Like, we don't even understand the, the
toxins in the water when we take a shower.

Um, the food that we eat

Oh, but I like the breeze

Michael: Yeah, let me close the vent.

It's getting loud out there.

Audree: Yeah, it is.

It's loud out there, people

No, it's interesting.

It's like the people next door, their
front yard and their backyard is

filled with pallets of construction
material because they're contractors

Michael: Or who knows why.

Well, it seems like they are, but,
uh, so I don't know what else.

There was something else I wanted to
say, but I don't remember what it is

Yeah

Audree: I missed what you were saying

Michael: Oh, I just recounted the,
kind of the moment we had the,

the rest stop and the becoming in
the present moment awareness and-

Yeah … and the being-ness of it all.

Oh, in the mo- The mind, the
mind can't, you know, the mind

can't do surgery on itself

Audree: and- And the movie
Soul, did you talk about that?

Michael: Oh, I didn't talk about that.

So, you know, if you wanna get a
feeling for what this is, there's

a really beautiful moment in the
movie Soul where, uh, the character

sees this little, um, key off of
a tree spinning through the air,

Audree: and- It's not a key, it's a seed

… Michael: a seed.

Well, it's, it's called a key.

It's like a…

'Cause the seed is within the key.

The key's like the larger
structure that allows it to spin.

Yeah.

I think that's what it's called.

Audree: We call them helicopter seeds.

Michael: Yeah, you can call it that.

And it was falling, and this,
this moment of how that captured-

Audree: It's from a maple tree

… Michael: the beauty of existing
on planet Earth, the, the, and

just being in the moment, right?

And so, and then there were some
other moments that followed that.

But what that was…

The movie really captured a
beautiful way what it meant to

be the essence and the intention
of being alive and, and the, the-

Audree: Right.

It wasn't about life purpose.

It wasn't finding your purpose.

It was- It was

Michael: just experiencing life.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: And that's what this whole,
whole connection of, well, you know,

when we're in an environment that
doesn't allow us to experience life,

that's why people wanna go into nature.

Because then when they're doing that, they
can feel that, that life force energy.

They can have that, that more capacity
for experiencing, just experiencing

creation, which is what we're here for.

We're here as consciousness
to experience creation.

I, I remember when, you know,
there was these profound moments.

I, I was doing, uh, my master's and part
of a PhD in University of Briti- British

Columbia in, in Vancouver, Canada.

And I'd bicycle into,
uh, to the university.

And, uh, I'd stop and, and I'd just look
out at the mountains in the distance

with the snow covered, and I could
often see the, the sea before them.

And, and it was just like…

And m- I would stop.

And I'd stop for like a minute or
two minutes and just look, because

what it was doing is it was opening
me up, I'm realizing this only now-

Audree: Mm-hmm

… Michael: to being and experiencing
in the present moment.

And that's what it was doing for me,
and I didn't get it till just now

So if you ever stop

Audree: That's why your intelligence
was able to open up, and you were able

to have the clarity of what was needed.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

And so when I look at, that's when you
have those times where you can just look

at a sunset or be at a beach and have
this moment looking along the shore and

the water reflecting or s- or see a tree
and see the wind blowing through it.

All of these are moments where you
can, the mind can just stop, and

you can just experience what it is.

Now, without…

And this is accessible to all of us.

We can have these moments, but
what we can do with these moments

to realize, well, wait a second,
the mind is busy all the time.

The mind is busy thinking, thinking,
thinking, fearing, fearing,

fearing, feeling, feeling, feeling,
struggling, struggling, struggling,

trying to achieve, achieve,
achieve, solving, solving, solving.

Like, there's this nonstop
thing happening to us that is

preventing us from just being here.

And it's not like through
trying, we can change it.

That's not what this is about.

It's about using the tools and the
journey to understand that, oh,

right, there's a step-by-step here.

There's a, there's a, there's
a, a developing of awareness.

There's a building up a capacity
of holding that beingness.

There's a, a puzzle game of figuring
out, what am I as consciousness?

And as, as these three aspects come
together, and we move into them, then,

then the journey unfolds for them.

That's why these people who have, like,
energy awareness or mystical awareness is

really beautiful 'cause they get a leg up.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: But without developing and
sharpening the awareness of themself,

without sharpening the awareness of
the mind and how the mind has a grip

on them and is running their life,
without, you know, really able to

access and, and harness all the high
vibrational frequencies, without puzzling

out what they are as consciousness,
all that, those kind of gifts

don't, don't go to any, any benefit.

Audree: You know, it reminds me of in
our leadership training courses, the, the

laser listening exercise that we teach.

And-

Michael: It's insane how these basic
things we taught in these classes

are, are just, like, the most
powerful technologies of awareness.

Audree: Right.

Michael: It's crazy.

Audree: Right.

And, and awareness is the
technology to shift consciousness.

It's not about changing what you're doing.

It's just become, becoming aware,
you know, just becoming aware of,

like- You know, you're sitting
having your tea or your coffee

and you're looking out the window.

Are you just observing the tree?

Or are you thinking about, you know, the
dinner that you had last night and the

conversations or trying to figure out,
you know, your, your business plan or

your marketing strategy or how you're
gonna, you know, deliver the product

or, you know, your- Worrying about

Michael: this problem

Audree: or-

your kids.

Yeah, what's going on with your kids or
your partner or yourself or … Like,

are you able to just stop the mind even
for a little bit and just be blank?

Michael: Oh, right.

That was another
realization I had yesterday.

Audree: Mm.

Michael: It's like we're not
trying to get our mind to stop.

Audree: Right.

Michael: I'll repeat, it's not about,
"Well, I, I wanna try to get my mind to

be silent," or, "I've got a monkey mind.

I need to get my mind to be quiet."

Audree: Like- It's noticing
that it's a monkey mind.

Michael: Yeah.

It, it's not about that.

That … So what happens is establishing
a state of beingness within ourselves,

which is the development of accessing
the truth of what and who we are as

high vibrational frequency, which is
the puzzle game, is the awareness to

refined insight to understand what we are.

It's the marathon to build up into the
stability of those high vibrational

frequencies of the truth of what we are.

It's all of those things to establish that
in our beingness, and from that place,

that's where the silence comes from.

It's not about fixing the monkey
mind or quietening the thoughts.

I mean, it's not about that, and I'm
gonna tell you the secret right now.

And the secret is just a code that
you can remember to keep yourself

on the right track, and the secret
is it's all about awareness.

I'm gonna tell you what we mean
when we say awareness is the

primary mechanism of evolution

It's that it's not about doing anything.

It's not about changing anything.

It's about being aware

When we say be aware, we don't
say be aware and then change it.

We don't say be aware and
then do something about it.

We say just be aware.

Notice-

Audree: I do this thing

… Michael: your behavior.

Notice your physiology.

Notice the thoughts in your mind.

Be aware.

Be aware

And when you're just aware

That is the gateway.

That is the harnessing.

That is the development of the tool.

When you are just aware, then you are
in the present moment, then you are

connected with the truth of what you are,
then you are in a place of stillness,

then you're in a place where the mind and
its thoughts, I don't know where they go

And where do they go?

Audree: So, so here's the thing.

Your, your mind is a transmitter receiver.

The thoughts aren't in your head and
they're not established in your brain.

So it's not that they go anywhere, it's
that they don't go into your brain.

Michael: That's actually what
it feels like is happening.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: This is extraordinary.

So-

Audree: Yeah.

It's that your, your brain
is no longer transmitting,

receiving- Oh … the thoughts.

Michael: It's like I'm not
gonna play this game anymore.

Audree: Right.

Michael: It's like, oh, I'm just
g- gonna be here and be chill.

I, I mean, I'm not doing it.

I mean, it's, it's a happening, right?

But it's like, it's like the,
the aspect of the being is

just being chill and still.

And-

Audree: Your dad is very upset
that there's people in his house.

Doesn't know what to do with himself.

Yeah,

Michael: I know.

Audree: He's standing around.

No,

Michael: no, he's doing his exercises.

He's walking backwards and stuff.

Audree: Oh.

Michael: He uses the living
room for his exercises.

Audree: Oh, okay.

'Cause it was just this weird
thing that was … See, my

mind was making up a story.

Michael: Yeah, that's so good.

Yeah.

Audree: That's not true.

Michael: Yeah.

No,

Audree: he's ac- Well, there's
a, some truth to it, but

… Michael: No, he's actually really happy.

Like- Mm … like, you know,
he's been through a lot.

And so, so what I'm- Mm … realizing
now is, is … So wow, I'm just

getting … I'm … Right, you're,
we're hearing the mechanics of creation

downloaded live during this podcast.

I mean, I mean, they're there
and we're just kind of- That's

Audree: why we do the podcast, honey

Michael: And so, so let me just slow down

And feel into this.

So the mechanism is that when
we're in awareness, in our

beingness, in the now, in the
truth of what and who we are,

the, the kind of the transmitter/receiver
function that is the source of the

mind chatter, source of the fear,
source of the low frequencies, like

it seems like it just gets shut down.

Is that, is that what you
ex- you're experiencing?

Like it, and I know, I don't know how to

Audree: describe it.

It's not … So it's not shut down.

So i- if you could imagine the mechanics
of the brain as a transmitter/receiver.

Michael: But then- Are we just
tuning to a different band?

Audree: It's tuning into a
different band that's silent.

Oh.

The higher vibrational frequency
doesn't have the noise of the, the

lower, the lower band atmosphere.

Oh.

So the lower band atmosphere is when
there's those, the, the thoughts

of, of challenge, of conflict,
of all, all these different-

Michael: Oh, you

Audree: know, you know- Yeah, it's a,
a wavelength- It is … frequency that

you're now receiving and transmitting.

Michael: Right, 'cause I was tuning
into what the Shi were saying, is that,

you know, we're loved into existence.

Audree: Mm.

Michael: And experiencing all the love.

So, so, you know, part of the mechanic
is that when we're separated, w- you

know, the aspect of our being that thinks
it's separate is, is liv- living and

creating from an absence of love 'cause it
doesn't experience that love of creation

that's there for it, and, and it turns
away that from that, that all which it's

surrounded in and what it's creating with.

It's like, you know, this kind
of … That's the whole illusion, right?

So … And so what I was doing this
morning is kinda like I was kinda

getting s- a little bit looping
yesterday and frequency dropping.

But it's like I, I, I
didn't tap into that.

I didn't tap into the love of creation
that's there for my own beingness

And when I did that, that's
when everything started to

Like all the, all the kinda low-frequency
disturbances running through my being

that were accumulating yesterday started
to just melt away and dissolve away.

Without doing.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Without doing

Because if, if there wasn't, it's
not a doing, it's our awareness

tuning in to the truth of what
and who we are, and that alone

is the solution

So if we're not tuning in the truth
of what and who we are, in our, in our

teachings we call it the purple dot

What are we tuning into?

And if we are tuning into what we think is
our purple dot, but we're not experiencing

this, which is pretty much everybody right
now, then that's just our mind tricking us

to thinking that it's tuning into what and
who we are, or the closest approximation

of it that it can understand.

That's not it

Right.

And this is kind of like the whole journey
of like whatever, this is the puzzle

game, whatever I thought was it, high
frequency source, truth of what I am that

I experience in the mind isn't, isn't it

That peak state isn't it

Because when you're in it, it, it's,
it's very, it's become very stable.

And the depth of it is not like
I've had this ever, this peak

experience that's like this.

Audree: The peak experience is there.

It's a high vibrational frequency
that actually, um, shuts off your

neurotransmitters in your brain,
the lower vibrational ones, and it

w- helps your brain to reformulate
neurotransmitter receivers that are tuned

into the higher vibrational frequency.

It's like a taste,

Michael: taster sample.

Audree: It's a taster sample,
but it's actually, it is doing

something- It's the truth of what

Michael: it is

… Audree: it's, no, it's doing something
physiologically- Mm-hmm … in your brain.

Mm-hmm.

Your brain is a computer,
and it's malleable.

It is neuroplastic.

It's has neuroplasticity, which
means it can change, and it changes

according to vibrational frequency.

Oh.

Michael: So there's a

Audree: mechanic- I understand

Michael: what you're saying now, right?

Audree: Yeah.

Yeah.

Michael: So, so it's actually like
a retooling process for the brain-

Audree: Yeah

… Michael: and the mind- Mm-hmm … and the

Audree: energetics.

Mm-hmm.

Michael: Which is what
we're doing the whole time.

Audree: Yeah.

There's a lot to this.

I think that's what we're trying to say
is that it's not just one thing that will

That is part of the evolutionary journey.

It's the whole thing.

It's the whole pie.

It's all of it.

All of it counts.

All of it matters.

All of it is part of it

Yeah.

He is walking.

It's funny how I just
made up a horrible story

Michael: Oh, Brad

Audree: K22.

Um, by the way, going back to the
movie Soul, like those people, I

don't know if they know this or not.

They must know something,
but you know, it's

Michael: like- They, they definitely
know something with the U-

Audree: Um

… Michael: You- You Seminar.

Audree: The You Sem- the You Seminar.

It's like, um, i- it- it's
almost seriously close to

the mechanics of creation.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And it, it, it's even like
when they, the, the people that

are looping and obsessed in their
thoughts go into the … And they,

they turn into those black creatures.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Like, that's what happens to us.

Michael: Right.

Well, the, the, but the truth is
that everyone is the black creature.

Like, it's like … Right?

That, that's where the, you know,
they're just speaking to norm people

as normal people, whereas normal people
are in the deviation, which is the

big deviation of all of reality is,
you know, that normal is somehow okay.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Versus normal
is actually a disease.

But we'll get there as a society

Audree: I think f- for me

Michael: I'm so excited about putting

Audree: that

Michael: out scientifically That's why

Audree: I think that's…

Yeah, I know.

I think that's why we, we've
been looking- Can hardly wait to

Michael: get to that

… Audree: we've been looking at, at
our work as a lifestyle brand, not

a, um, like a, you know, personal
development company- Or self-help or-

or self-help or- … you know, or

achievement

Michael: company

Audree: or- Yeah, or per-
yeah, a performance company.

It's like, it's like yes, we're all
of those things, but it's a lifestyle.

It is not a, you know, it's
not like a one and done.

It's not a framework, um

Yeah.

Like I wanna create products for a living.

How do we capture and harness this
vibrational frequency and then we get

to live in this frequency all the time
and it's, it's part of our environment.

It's the food that we eat.

It's the, the, the workplace that we…

Like, we live in our workplace.

Michael: Yeah.

And, and, and it's just like ouch.

Audree: I mean, WeWork had, had
this beautiful, um, it had a

beautiful, a beautiful, uh, idea.

And you know, it's very
interesting because, um

I had a, a friend of mine, we were
moms together with our kids in school,

and we'd drop off our kids and go for
coffee, and she was this beautiful being.

And I remember all these years, all,
all these, you know, back in the early

2000s, she was talking about creating
workplaces that were amazing, that were

like lounges and places to gather in
community, in socialization, and, um,

uplifting the peoples and, you know,
and, and so they can, they can co-create

together and support each other.

And I actually…

I should go back and ask her, but there's
a connection between the WeWork guys

and her, and I'm wondering, 'cause she
had this idea a long time ago, and she

would've had access to the WeWork guys.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, and the guy, and I'm wondering-

Michael: Hey.

Yeah.

Yeah, good morning, Sean.

Audree: Oh,

Michael: come.

Come on,

Audree: come on.

We're, we're, you can join

Michael: us.

No, don't shut it off.

No, yeah, we're live on our podcast.

We're live?

We're not live, but we're
recording our podcast.

Audree: Yeah.

Oh,

Michael: okay.

But please, please pull up a chair.

Sean: Okay.

But I would, uh, I'll do it like this.

Audree: This is one of our youngest, Sean.

Yes.

Oh,

Sean: hello.

It's

Audree: nice to- Me Well, you, you

Michael: need the microphone, otherwise…

We, we can, we can share.

Do you want

Audree: a mic

Michael: up?

We

Audree: can share.

Sean: I didn't know you
guys were doing a podcast.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Yeah.

Well- Finally

… Michael: well, you know,
it's only been 100 days.

Audree: Is there new coffee?

Sean: There is new coffee.

Audree: I'm gonna go grab some real quick.

Michael: Okay.

Just keep, take it with you.

Audree: I'm gonna shut it off.

Michael: Yeah, I'll just pause.

So, so the coffee break is over,
and, uh, so w- we've now been

joined, uh, as we said, with Sean.

And, uh- … like, we never had a
guest on, and Sean's, like, bewildered.

He's like, you know, "I didn't
even know you guys had a podcast."

What?

And like, "What are you, what the hell
are you guys talking about anyway?"

So it's kinda like what, the vibe is I'm
getting pulling off of him right now.

Audree: Well, that's 'cause your
parents are always weird, so-

Michael: Yeah … you

Audree: know.

Michael: Yeah.

He knows there's always
some weirdness going on.

Yeah, well, my

Sean: par- I mean, that's true.

Audree: Wait till you're a parent.

You'll be just as

Michael: weird.

Okay.

Okay.

So, so what I'll do is, um- We're,
we're just talking about how when we're

caught up in our mind, we're not here
in the now, in the present moment,

and that there's-- And the journey
of, like, getting to be, like, in the

present moment, just experiencing,
like, everything around us and being

very just aware without the mind going
and talking and blah, blah, blah, blah.

So what are your thoughts on this?

Audree: What does your mind say about

Sean: it?

What does my mind say about it?

Yeah.

I think that's very true.

Uh, whenever you're caught up in your
mind, you're never gonna be yourself.

I don't know.

If I'm thinking too much about what I
say, even if the other person, maybe

they like what I have to say, or
maybe they are happy with what I have

to say, uh, maybe I end up building
some kind of relationship with them

based off of all these thoughts I had.

But, uh, it's not gonna be as worthwhile
as just putting, being in the moment,

being present, and finding people
who are okay with that as well.

Uh, at least that's what
I've found for myself.

Michael: You're also, like, talking
a little bit about just, just being

yourself instead of, like, what
other people think you should be,

or you think you should be, or…

Sean: Uh, that's because normally
if I'm not, if, if I'm not

being sort of organic, I will be
thinking about those things, right?

Mm-hmm.

So that's, for me, that's what
I'll be thinking about if I'm

meeting someone for the first time.

Or it's like I'll need to find a way
to sort of connect with them and maybe

become more relaxed, because if I don't,
I'll have all these different thoughts

in my head about, like, what are they
thinking about what should I do to

maintain this relationship going forward?

What will other people think?

Should I be-- If I spend too much time
with this person, is it a good thing?

Is it a bad thing?

There's, like, there's a lot of different
ways you can think about, at least for

me, in, when I'm meeting new people or
seeing other people, what's going on.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Sean: And so I, I agree.

It is important to be yourself and to
find people who are, you know, happy

to be around you when you're yourself.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Well, what, just what does that feel
like for you when, when that's happening?

Like, when you're in the, like,
"Oh, I'm just being me and I'm

okay with being me," and, like,
everything's just kinda flowing?

Audree: And your mind shuts off.

It's not doing those weird things.

Sean: Well, I mean,
that's, like, the best…

It's, like, the best feeling ever, really.

It's, I mean, if you have spent a lot
of time not being yourself, if you

spend a lot of time maybe wondering
if you wanna find people who are

like yourself, uh, this may be…

Well, may be.

It is sort of the, the
best feeling you can have.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Well, how do you know when you're there?

Like, h- like, what, what are you…

Like, what are you experiencing
or how do you know?

Like, or is it more when you
know when you're not there?

Like, what, what goes
on for you around this?

Sean: I don't, I don't know.

Well, 'cause if you're not thinking
anymore, you probably won't realize

you're there because you're not
thinking about being there anymore.

Audree: Exactly.

Sean: Uh, because once you're
there, you're not thinking,

"Oh, I wish I could be there."

You're now there.

You're now enjoying yourself.

And maybe there'll be, like, a moment,
out- out-of-body kinda moment where

you think, "Wow, this, these past five
hours have been really, have been…

This has been amazing."

But may- as soon as it happens,
it won't just be like…

You won't just instantly
recognize it, right?

'Cause then you're still in your head,
you're still thinking about your mood.

You're thinking about, "Am I happy?

Am I not happy?"

But once you're happy, you'll
stop thinking about, I, I…

you know, how happy you are and how you
need to be ha- or you need to relax.

You'll stop thinking about that.

Audree: Hmm.

Perfect.

Sean: At least, that's, that-

Audree: That's exactly what we were

Michael: getting

Audree: at.

Michael: Yeah, yeah.

So, so I just wanna say, um, you know,
Sean, once again, you demonstrate

that you are truly a genius.

C- no, no, I mean that, that, that
was a better explanation than I

could ev- than I've ever given, so.

I

Audree: don't…

It's not genius, it's just a
different conscious- it's, like,

a higher state of consciousness.

It's like, that's, you know, that's…

Sean: Uh, it helps that that's
just my personal experience, that-

Audree: Yeah

Sean: Well, I've spent a lot of time-
He is your son … trying to figure out

how to explain it, so it's, you know.

Audree: He does have the Indian genes- Mm

so it's easier to be a
higher consciousness being.

Plus being born in the
time that you were born.

Humans are different.

Mm.

We're older.

Michael: Yeah, so, so what, what I heard-

Okay.

I, a- again, once again,
I, I just missed that.

What just happened?

Audree: We just had a moment

Yeah.

I think the podcast is over now.

I-

Michael: Oh, no.

I do, I wanna say something, which is-
Oh, okay … like, there was, there was

this, um, there was something that Sean
said that struck me as very profound.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Michael: I mean, all of it was,
like, genius, but there's one

specific moment- Not just 'cause

Audree: he's your son?

Michael: No, I don't, I don't, I don't
blow smoke up anybody's ass, so, um

Yeah, everything I said
was completely genuine.

Yeah,

Audree: I know.

Michael: So there was a moment

Where we said, "Look, you
know, if you're, if I'm in that

state, I'm, I'm just present.

I'm in the state of being present,
being myself in the moment.

I'm not gonna be thinking about
whether I'm in the moment or not."

Audree: Right.

I got that one too.

Michael: Yeah.

Like, and that was just
like, you know, it-

Audree: That, that's it

Michael: That's it.

Audree: And that's what
we were saying before.

It's like you can't force it to happen.

It's just a happening.

It's what you can do is notice when
you're not that, but you can't make

yourself be … Like, you can't
make your s- your mind shut off.

You can't make yourself happy.

You can't make yourself authentic.

You just notice when you're
not, and then the happening,

that stuff is just automatic.

It just happens.

Michael: Yeah.

So what I, what I'm getting now is that,
oh, okay, let's say you notice it and

you're very aware that it's happening,
f- more thinking won't solve it.

Audree: Right.

Michael: Which is the point of
everything we're talking about here.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Exactly.

Michael: You can't solve the
thinking problem with thinking.

Audree: No.

Michael: You can't solve the
monkey mind with the monkey mind.

Audree: Mm-mm.

Michael: Now I feel complete.

Audree: Very good.

Okay, we'll have three minutes.

Michael: We have three minutes of mantra.

Audree: Yeah.

I have a meeting in 10 minutes,

Michael: so- So you're perfect timing.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Great.

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