B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Michael: All right

Audree: We should be having a
production crew here Yeah … you

know, micing us up and

Michael: No, we don't
want production crew here.

Audree: But alas, you're a hermit.

I do not want a

Michael: production crew here.

Cancel, cancel, cancel.

All right, so- Even

Audree: if we lived in a big
house and we had staff, you

would, like, send them home.

You'd be like, "Go away.

I don't want you here."

Michael: Well, anyway, so-

Audree: What if we lived in an
ashram, and then we had to have,

like, a st- staff and employees or
whatever, and where would you live?

Not in the

ashram.

In the cave What do you think,
what do you think Harshi, Mashy-

Undisclosed location Yeah.

Michael: Yeah.

So, so, uh-

Audree: But the monkeys
don't like you, honey

Michael: Yeah.

Maybe I've worked that out

Audree: The monkeys always torture you

Michael: Mistakes were made You're famous

Audree: for monkeys torturing you.

Michael: I'm not gonna go into that story

Audree: Oh, but it's fun
to even think about it.

It makes me laugh Oh, good
But my rib is fractured right

now, so it hurts when I laugh

Michael: Hmm.

All right.

So I think you were asking
about something, and then

I said, "Oh, I-" Welcome

Audree: to the podcast Yeah.

Michael: So, uh, this is actually
a continuation of the last podcast

Audree: Is it?

Michael: And it's a, it's
a brutal explanation of how

you're creating your reality.

I say brutal because it makes taking
total responsibility almost completely

unavoidable Oh And the, uh, the domain of
the conversation or the area or topic is

about what you think about other people,
what you think about other people, and how

you're creating your reality through that

And, uh, I'm gonna take you through a
little vignette, and then I'll unpack it.

So I was thinking about some things
that are, you know, kind of percolating

and, and need attending to, and
there's one thing where I thought, oh,

I, I should, you know, nudge Audrey
to look at this, and then she…

Oh, I'm worried she'll have this reaction.

And I could feel it, and
I'm going like, "What?"

And then I s- and I just really
slowed down and looked at it, and

it's like there's this deep, deep…

It's not just a projection about
Audrey, but it's this, you know,

this deeply held energetic structure
within my being causing that

thought, causing that projection.

And I'm looking at it going
like, "Oh, well, wait a minute.

Let me just look at what's
happening right here."

Thought about Audrey, negative thought
about Audrey, like a projection.

So not s- clearly not seeing Audrey
as source consciousness, right?

Clearly.

Clearly.

Like, you know, you know, obvious
rule violation number one.

But really just saying,
"Well, y- wait a second.

If I'm seeing her that way,
then I'm creating that reality."

And let me just walk you through
the mechanics of how that is.

Well, if I'm holding that frequency
that Audrey will behave in this way,

then that frequency's getting propagated
into my environment, into Audrey.

So it's signaling Audrey, "Hey,
this is how you need to show up."

So whatever patterning is in her that may
cause her to show up that way is gonna

get her to cause her to show up that way.

So I'm actually, through my own being,
through this energetic structure in

my being, causing this to happen.

So here's the secret.

When I clear whatever is inside of me
that is doing that, then Audrey actually

has a choice about what it is she wants
to do, whether she wants to stay with

that frequency or she wants to let
it go and to move to a new frequency.

So in this way, the, the frequencies
we're holding within us are actually

imprisoning the people around us.

Audree: Wow.

Michael: Right?

So your negative judgments about
your kids not cleaning up, your

negative judgments about your
partner, you can make a whole list-

Audree: Or your boss showing up a certain
way … you have this whole list- Yep

Michael: you are creating them that way.

You are creating that
reality, that frequency.

You're demanding that they, uh,
they're subject to those, those laws.

Audree: I'm doing the snap of the yes.

Hallelujah.

I can't snap this in And I know,

Michael: I know we've talked about this
before and we've, you know, talked,

you know, constructively, you know,
model by model about this and taught

it to some of our advanced students.

But it's like this somehow something
just landed at such a deep, profound

level of just seeing all the
mechanics so clearly in a flash.

Audree: So I wanna go even deeper.

Michael: Oh.

Audree: When you look inside to the
aspect of your being that's creating

the situation and creating the person
to show up this way, what you will find

is a very deep sense of self-hatred

And why, and we're talking
about the egoic consciousness.

Why does the egoic consciousness
hate itself so much?

Like if you-- That's like the root cause.

The root cause isn't a past life.

It's not some other story

If you could just get to that

feeling

Or even say, what if it were true?

What if the ego of consciousness
is creating all this reality

because it hates itself?

Then you could just turn inward to
the ego of consciousness and say, "Hey

Why do you hate yourself?

Or you could just feel

What does the self-hatred
feel like in your body?

Of course, this takes a really

you know, precision, masterful
ability to have awareness

Why are you creating this?

Why do you wanna struggle?

Like you can-- when you start doing that,
you could kind of feel like a searing pain

in your body, and you can just acknowledge
that, be aware of it, breathe into it

You know, and you'll also notice
there's an aspect of you that is

just totally calm, totally loving.

"Oh, wow.

Look at, look at that.

Look at the damage I'm causing to
myself or the ego or consciousness

is causing in my life."

It's like not a big deal

There's an aspect of you that is

like a higher, a higher consciousness.

You can call it, you can
call it source consciousness.

You can call it the truth of what and who
you are because it's, it's not affected.

It's just witnessing

And you can also just
deeply, deeply love yourself.

Like seeing a child make a mistake.

You're not judging that child.

You're not-- You know, you
wish it were different maybe

When you can see these patterns
very clearly, they start

to dissolve automatically

Michael: So I think that
she talked about this once.

There's this paradox here, is that
only when you are totally in 100%

acceptance without wanting it to be
different, without any resistance,

without trying to change, just in total
peace and, and love of the creative act.

And for me, it's seeing that every,
every, every act is just me as source

consciousness infusing the energy into me.

As source consciousness creating these
light codes, whether they're deviated or

not, and the experience is just source
consciousness creating it, and as source

consciousness I'm experiencing it.

That's why, you know, you know, sometimes
people say you're doing the whole

thing to yourself, because you are.

But you-- not you, like literally
as the human you, you as source

consciousness are creating the
experience, creating the separation,

creating the energy moving through.

Like it, it, that's, that,
that's the whole thing.

Audree: You know, it reminds
me of A Course in Miracles.

They say that you're just creating
in the, in the absence of love.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

That's what the deviation is.

And- That's what the ego
consciousness is … what we've

Audree: discovered is when we go
that deep, what we've discovered

is just this very deep self-hatred.

And there's also something
interesting in that there's an energy.

There is an energy that we've
pledged our allegiance to.

We've, we've want-- We've asked for
it to be there for, for some reason.

Now, you could say, well,
it happened at separation.

You know, the ego consciousness
is separate from source and, and

so it creates all this kind of
like nonsense going on inside of

us, internal conflict and damage.

And what we're trying to say here is that
it doesn't matter why or how it happened.

Michael: It's what do you wanna
do with the situation now?

Audree: Exactly.

Do you wanna keep creating
the damage to your being, your

incarnation, your living reality?

And usually the answer is no

And you feel like you're out of control,
like you don't have control over this.

And, in some ways you don't,
and in other ways you do.

Michael: I don't know if I
finished this, what I was saying.

But- No, go ahead … the paradox is
when you're fully accepting and loving

and not trying to change anything,
then at that exact moment you actually

have the power to choose anew.

So, so the thing is, you can
change it, but only when you

stop trying to change it.

And so this is kind of tying back to
that insight about control, is that we're

trying to control everything, and only
when you stop trying to control everything

can you actually control everything.

It's, it's very- It's the paradox

very interesting mechanics, right?

And I think- But you

Audree: can't try to stop
controlling to control on purpose.

Like, you can't have the agenda of- No.

Michael: You just have
to stop controlling.

You just have to

Audree: surrender.

Err.

Michael: Her.

Her.

Audree: Surrender, Doris.

Michael: Yeah, so the other thing I
thought is n- you know, it's not just

what we think about other people,
it's what we think about ourselves.

Mm-hmm.

And all those red arrows at ourselves-
Mm-hmm … all those attack thoughts

of our own being- Mm-hmm … of
where we're saying, "Oh, I, you

know, this won't work for me.

I'm not good enough," da da
da, yeah, you know, whatever.

You know, "I'll be alone.

I don't, I'm not, I'm not wanted."

You know, all these, all
these stories, all these…

And so that's, that's what we're,
we're, you know, pre- really, you

know, that's, that's really the…

I, you know, actually, this is the
other insight that came in, is that

every negative thought, whether
it's about somebody else, about a

situation, about your own being,
that's just your roadmap to evolution.

It's not like the monkey
mind is a problem.

Your monkey mind is perfect.

It is showing you exactly what
needs healing and purification.

It's like the perfect thing, it's
just without the knowledge of that's

how to use it, without the tools of
being able to access it, without going

through a training program to learn
how to deconstruct it and, and use the

monkey mind instead of a, you know,
this force controlling your life.

You know, the, you know, the,
you know, we're the donkey

following what it tells us to do.

You know, we, uh, we get, we, we
actually change the relationship.

Audree: I remember a long time
ago, I was listening to Bentinho.

Mm-hmm.

I think I signed up for, like,
one of his talks or something.

And he said, "If you are
having, uh, financial lack-"

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm

Audree: he's like, "You have
pledged your allegiance to being

poor and not having money."

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm

Audree: And that went, I went whoop, and
I was like, "Oh my God, how true is that?"

It's like you are agreeing to have
whatever, you know, the boss that's

not supportive or whatever, the
partner that, you know, you wanna

leave because, you know, they say dumb
things to you that hurt your feelings

But I mean, when you stop and think
about it, like the, like, it, the

truth is, is like you want it that
way 'cause you wanna be angry,

you wanna be miserable, you wanna-

Michael: Well, nobody ever wants to admit
that they really want to be, you know,

"I wanna be, you know, in my current l-
financial lack or challenge," or whatever.

Mm.

No one wants to admit that.

And, and, and it's true that you
consciously are not choosing that.

But the thing is that your
situation is such that those

choices are within your being.

So that's where I think you've chosen
that is, is like unhelpful language for

us because we're just consciously aware
of what we're consciously aware of.

So we don't, w- but we can just say, "Oh,
oh, it's evident from what's happening

to me that there's something within my-

Audree: What if it were true- Yeah.

What if it's in- … that I want this?

Michael: That there's an aspect, well,
this is the, it's not even like you have

to say, "Well, consciously I want it."

It's like, "Consciously I don't
want it," but that consciously I

don't want it is connected with
all this subconscious wiring.

Audree: I know.

We're, we're gonna s- I'm gonna say
something very controversial here because

Michael: I- As if you haven't already.

Audree: So I, because of being a healer,
I, you know, people that contact me

are usually, uh, chronic conditions,
you know, s- terminal stage four.

Michael: Desperate.

Desperate.

Audree: Desperate.

And I, you know, one of the first
questions I ask is, "Do you wanna live?

Do you wanna heal this?"

And they always say yes.

And I look at them and I say, "You
know, you have a choice to exit.

You do not have to stay in your body.

You do not have to stay- Right … in
your life, and you don't have to

heal this if you don't want to."

Like, it's very clear with
my fractured rib right now.

I'm kind of enjoying the pain and,
and the, the downtime I'm having.

So I'm not, you know,
desperately trying to heal it.

And I can tell you over and over and
over again with all these clients

that I've had, I remember one, and,
and this is the controversial thing.

I, there was a, um, a woman that
had MS, and it was her whole entire

identity was wrapped around having MS,

and I knew I couldn't heal her.

There was another, um, woman that
had- Well, y- … cancer, and when

it came down working with her for two
years, she just wanted to heal so bad.

And at some point it
came out she was tired.

She, her husband wasn't working,
wasn't making any money, and she was

holding the whole family together,
and she was the one that had to

work, and she was the one that…

And it was l- this, like,
this whole entire reveal.

She wanted to exit.

She was just tired

So she did.

I can see my mother-in-law, same.

Like

You know

I think that's the controversial
thing that I'm saying here is that

people are gonna say, "No, no,
no, my mother had breast cancer,

so I'm gonna have breast cancer."

I, just, and, and, and at this, fair
enough that when you, your body starts to

break down, it is really, really, really
difficult and challenging to recover

I'll say it again, it's
really difficult to recover

Michael: Right, so you're saying
that things that have an energetic

cause are easier to address before
they manifest in the physical body?

Oh,

Audree: yeah.

If you could address it-
Yeah … energetically before,

because it starts outward in, in the,
in the edges of the energy field.

And as, if it- Oh … got unresolved, yes.

Yeah, it gets

Michael: heavier and heavier.

It's like something- It gets

Audree: denser, and denser, and
denser- It's like it builds up

mass … and it finally meets the body.

Yeah.

And when it's meeting the body

It can be healed.

And I can, I mean, I, I've experienced,
I've witnessed healing in front of my eyes

where I've seen the body change shape.

I've witnessed healing
where the cancer was gone.

I've witnessed healing
where the bone healed

And it, you know, then there was an X-ray,
and the, it looked like the bone had been

healed over for over a month- … when
it was only, you know, a few days.

Mm-hmm.

So these things are possible.

Like, there's been evidence, you
know, of, like, somebody trapped

under a car, and somebody in, in, in
a panic mode or whatever, not even

thinking about it, lifts the car up.

Like, there's been these incredible,
miraculous, extraordinary events of, of

what the body, what the human body can do.

So it can't be discounted.

Mm.

It could only say, what if it were true?

And, and do I wanna even try?

Mm.

And at the same time,
it's okay not to try.

It's okay to just be done

You know, it's hard to be human.

Mm.

It's really difficult on this planet.

Anyways, what were you trying to say?

'Cause we got off somewhere else.

Speaker 3: Mm.

Audree: And what did it
have to do with the book?

Michael: It didn't have
anything to do with the book

Audree: Well, we were talking about
the book, writing the book, and then

you said, "Oh, this is a podcast."

Michael: Oh, no, I said, "Oh,
there's something else I wanna share

with you, but this is a podcast."

Audree: Oh, okay.

Got it.

Michael: And since it was the podcast
topic, that's why it was a change of topic

Audree: So what do you have to show
me that you were freaking out about?

Michael: Oh, well, you know, there was
somebody who was, uh, interested in the

house, and it was- it was giving them
the, the previous inspection report.

And I think we already looked
at, like, the, uh, the utility

cost thing, which I think you're
already aware of and fine with.

But I just wanted you to go
through it and look 'cause, 'cause,

'cause otherwise you'll say,
"Well, why did you share that?"

You know, like, there's a whole…

Right?

Or at least that's the, the projection
I'm making now that I realize it.

It's like I could just go share it with
the agent and- It's, it's not- But I

wanted to just double-check with you
'cause for the feels 'cause you actually

have a better sense of- It's not a

Audree: normal procedure
of, of, um, the inspection.

First of all, the inspection was
done like four or five years ago, so.

Michael: Well, well, so, so for me, this
actually seems like, oh, well, this is

actually, like, a really obvious thing.

I don't know why everyone doesn't ask
for it, is the- getting the inspection

report if it's, you know, within
the last five years just to see, you

know, what, what was the state then
because it saves time because then you

don't have to go through a purchase
and sale agreement and say, "Pending

inspection," and dah, dah, dah, dah.

That way people can actually
just say, "Oh, this is the rough

situation of what's going on."

Audree: But did…

I, I mean, there were f- there were a
bunch of red flags on the inspection.

Mm-hmm.

So it was like did we handle those?

Michael: I think some were handled.

I don't think all of them.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

That's

Michael: why, that's what I'm saying,
like I wanted to look at with you.

Yeah.

Audree: W- yeah.

Michael: Right?

And then so that's what the,
that's what the thing was.

Yeah.

Audree: I'm, I'm freaking out
about the, the heating bill.

Michael: Right.

Well, that- that's why I'm saying
it's like whatever- I had no idea.

I- What-

Audree: Had I known-

Michael: Yeah

… Audree: what the heating bill
was, I would've been more adamant

about you turning the heat
down, which I've already been.

Well,

Michael: the bigger impact is actually
closing the doors to the unused rooms,

which you kept on insisting on being open.

And I'm finally just like, "Okay.

Well, whatever," like so.

Audree: I don't think that
had anything to do with me.

Oh,

Michael: yeah, it has a huge impact.

Audree: Anyway, so it's my fault.

Michael: No, I'm not
saying it's your fault.

I'm just saying, like, you know,
you know, the, the skin in the game.

Audree: This is why it's, you know,
being married and being in partnership

and living with somebody sucks.

' Michael: Cause it shows you
where you, you know, where the

opportunities for waking up

Audree: are.

No, it's like I wouldn't…

I, I just would've turned the heat
down and had it been cold in here.

That's what I would've done.

Michael: Well, you know,
I, I thought about that.

You know, I looked at that option,
and it's like turning the heat

down by a couple degrees to be
uncomfortable- Or perhaps the first time

Audree: you saw the bill that was
that high- Well, 'cause, 'cause,

'cause- … you could've said,
"Hey, Audrey, we need to sit down

and have a real conversation- Yeah

about what's going on here."

I, I

Michael: d- I didn't think
it was important enough.

Anyway, so like just to, just
to go back, like you- 'Cause I

Audree: just, I had sticker
shock yesterday- Yeah … when

I saw- Yeah … those bills.

Yeah.

I was like, "Holy shit."

Well, this winter was

Michael: way worse than any other
winter, and historically we were

traveling during winter, so we weren't
even here, so the heating bills

were dramatically different, so.

Right.

Audree: So that, I mean, also
this house is a summer home.

It's not to be lived in in the wintertime.

It is not winter- winterfied at all.

Michael: I'm not gonna
go into details, but-

Audree: Okay, whatever … yeah
And people don't really care.

There's details in the

Michael: details, and that's not relevant.

But what I was gonna say is that, um,
when I w- when I th- was going through

the heating it's like, well, you know,
I, we could be like moving it from

70 Fahrenheit to 68, like a couple
degrees lower or whatever, and I'm

already wearing sweaters and I'm already
cold, so like that's not gonna work

for me at all physiologically for the
way that my metabolism's functioning.

I

Audree: think we need
to move- So let, let me,

Michael: let me finish, and it's only
gonna make a few percent difference,

so like this is not the most important
percent of, of, of cost to focus on.

Like it's just not…

Like it's just, it's just like there's
the, the, the, the benefit trade-off,

like the, the savings benefit
trade-off d- didn't make any sense.

So that's why…

It's, it wasn't I didn't consider
it, is I did consider it and

it didn't, didn't add up.

Just f- fun fact.

Anyway, coming back to the original
premise, it's nothing to do with

what actually is or the situation.

It's the projections we hold about
the other and within ourselves

about the discomfort, right?

You know, so here clearly, Audrey
has an opportunity to work through

some discomfort around what's
happened historically and let it

go, and just be dealing with the
situation in front of us with-

Audree: It just makes
the house harder to sell.

Well, this is- And
that, like, it's like a-

Michael: Well, then that again
ties into- That's what my

Audree: fear is- Right.

So that- … that's coming up

… Michael: exactly.

So, mm- It's not

Audree: so much what you've done, it's
just somebody coming in and looking,

like, at our heating bills now will say,
"There's no way I'm buying this house."

Right.

So this is where- And at the same
time, they should be expecting-

Michael: Mm-hmm

Audree: a high heating bill.

Michael: Exactly.

So, so the s- so the thing is-
It's like- You, so but the thing

is, this is the present moment
condition to look at, is that fear.

Well, this is

Audree: what I've been
looking at since yesterday.

Oh,

Michael: very good.

Audree: Yeah.

So, and, and I've
actually resolved it, so.

Michael: Or even the belief that,
oh, well, with this type of home,

with that kind of heating bill,
somebody will have a problem with it.

Even that belief is like-

Audree: Well, that's what…

Uh, then I, I, like, that was happening,
and I was, like, talking to the mind

going, "Well, anybody that's looking
at this house would understand that

the heating bill would be high.

Like, why, why wouldn't they?"

Yeah, exactly.

Like, this would

Michael: be like, "Oh, this makes sense."

Audree: Why would they, why would they…

So why would they even be
looking at this house if they

couldn't afford to live here?

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Like, that,
that is the other thing.

Mm-hmm.

You know?

Is, it's just like, so it's not on me.

Yeah.

Like, I don't have, you know…

In fact, they should see the high
bills so they understand- Yeah

and they could just disqualify themselves
if they, if they have sticker shock.

Exactly.

Right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And folks, the heating bill is high.

Like, like, I remember the
first time I went to Costco.

Costco just started, opened.

I just had bought a new house, and we
went to Costco for the very first time,

and it was like the bill was more than
my mortgage, and I was like, "What the…

WTF?"

I was like, "Why are people
shopping at Costco w- and,

and it costs this much money?"

Like, I don't understand

Consumption.

Didn't you say something
about consumption yesterday?

Michael: Yeah

Audree: Or was that today?

Michael: No, that was the last podcast.

Yeah.

Yeah, like this- You better
refer to it the last podcast

… Audree: insane amount of consumption-

Michael: Well-

… Audree: that, that goes on is like-

Michael: Right.

Like, so, so- Purr … is, so, so the,
the, the, this is what we were talking

about yesterday, so just to tie that in.

So the, the nature of the ego
consciousness is to keep us

distracted with consumption, right?

So if we think we're consuming something
in the external world, you know, like

a, like a travel experience, a new
product, a new gadget, a new this,

a new that, um, it, we're, we're
distracting ourselves with consumption.

And so basically the setup is,
well, if I have this thing, the new

experience, the vacation, the whatever,
the travel, um, the relationship,

whatever, then I'll be happy, right?

That's kinda like the implicit story.

Audree: Or the new gadget.

But

Michael: the very clear research from
the, you know, I'll run, it's called

the, you know, hedonic treadmill
is the, the technical psychological

term, is that when you get new things
that you think will make you happy,

it doesn't make you any happier.

And the things that you think will make
you happier, that your mind thinks should

make you happier, do not make you happier.

And it turns out the research
shows what makes you happier is

actually helping other people and,
and making a positive contribution.

And so like, so, so basically what we're
saying here is the, the, you're the donkey

being controlled by a mind that's telling
you to do all these things that it says,

"You'll do this, it'll make you happy."

You do it, you get a little burst of
dopamine for a minute, and then you're

no happier than you were before, and
now you've just paid all this money.

And so, you know, and then- Or you

Audree: get, or you got hooked
on some kind of medication that

keeps you in a looping cycle.

Like, there's all kinds of consumption
that's happening that's- Yeah

yeah.

Michael: Yeah.

And so, so that's the, that's
the, the whole loop, the whole

treadmill of the ego consciousness.

And the whole choice to evolve is
just saying, "Hey, you know what?

I'm, I, I really wanna
not be on this treadmill.

I really wanna create a difference.

I really wanna actually materially
feel different inside my being,

and, you know, activate the, the
extraordinary experience of coming

to the truth of what and who I am."

And, you know, it's all fine.

And, and you look, you, you're
source conscious and you can

choose whatever you want.

You can choose to stay on the treadmill.

You can choose to evolve.

You can choose whatever you want.

There's no, there's no right, there's no
wrong, there's no harm, there's no foul.

It's just a choice.

Audree: And it's, it's not saying deny
yourself of things that you love or

experiences that you want to enjoy.

That's not what we're talking about.

It's about, it's about thinking
that these things are gonna be

the thing that fills you up.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And it's usually not.

It's like watching a beautiful
sunset, like stopping your life and

watching a beautiful sunset is free.

Watching a beautiful sunset on
a boat in the Mediterranean,

not free and extraordinary.

Or like, you know, being on
a boat and sleeping under the

stars in the Mediterranean.

Mm.

Like a wonderful, wonderful experience.

And then when it's over, it's over.

You have a memory of it

It was beautiful.

I'd love to do that again, by the way

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Michael: It's no- That's
another thing Duly noted

Audree: I wanna live on a boat-
… because then it's like you just have this

little, tiny boat sailing on the water.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: It used to be-

Michael: See, whenever you used to say
things like that, it usually used to be

like feeling like, oh, I gotta somehow
fulfill Audry's need or desire, and so on.

But where I am, and then it used to,
like, just put me through a whole,

whole wrench and all that sort of stuff.

But w- w- you know, the, the clear
guidance from, from the she is very,

very clear is that y- whether you
like it or not, it's like I gotta do

my flow, and you're more adaptable,
so you can come with me or not,

or do whatever you need to do.

But I gotta do my thing,
and then that's…

And so that, for me, has been this
huge, huge liberation for n- not

about not discount- ignoring what you
want or ca- not caring about that.

It's not about that.

But it's about really just this whole
giving myself permission to be me

and be open to that- Yeah, 'cause-

that flow and pull … if you're

Audree: not being you, you're
no good to me Then I, I just…

Exactly.

Michael: I create all
sorts of problems for you.

So- Oh my

Audree: God, yes

… ' Michael: cause, 'cause I'm saying
yes to something 'cause I think I

have to- And then, and it- … 'cause
we're in a relationship, and blah

blah blah blah … and you're

Audree: really a no, so it's
just like it's- Oh, right, I'm

Michael: famous for that

Audree: and, and it's
just been a disaster.

Yeah.

You know, and it's, and it's me
not being selfish- Yeah … of

saying, "Oh, what about me?

What about me?

Well, I want this or I want this,"
not thinking about the impact on

the other person, which is you.

And what I've learned over
the years is that, that impact

takes a great toll on my being-

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm

Audree: to the point where I'm just like,
well, how important is it to have what I

want and disregard your no, your feelings,
your desires, your needs, your whatever?

Michael: Right.

Or, or is when you're, when you're
thinking about you doing that, it's

like, did you actually calculate,
"Oh, am I doing this on my own?

Okay, cool."

Or is it like- Mm-hmm

or this implicit assumption,
"Oh, I wanna do this, and

Michael, you need to come, too."

Well, it was- Right?

So there, it's actually kind of
getting back to what is it, what

is the thought in your head, and
what is the image you're creating?

And it's not that it is even, like,
a negative projection about me.

Uh-huh.

It could be like you're projecting a
positive creative image of something

that doesn't fit what's correct for me.

Audree: Exactly.

That's why- Wow … I asked you about
Evolutionary Energetics, the book.

Like, what, what, what, what's your desire
with the book after it's published That's

where all this whole entire- I feel like,

Michael: I feel like I'm
a, like I'm a generator.

Like, so if something's there,
I'll respond to it, right?

Yes, this feels exciting.

No, this doesn't.

Like, and, and so it feels, like,
synthetic to s- make up scenarios.

Well, but I guess we could.

We could say, "Well, does it
feel like going on a book tour?"

Mm.

Does it feel like, you know, being on
a, being with you on a, on a, someone's

podcast or video show or whatever?

That feels fine.

Like that- Right.

That's- 'Cause it's
non-invasive … that's,

Audree: that's what I was asking about
because, you know, historically- I

guess I'm answering your question now.

Sorry, I- Historically, yeah.

That's okay.

Histor- as long as you're
answering the question.

Like, 'cause that's my thoughts this
morning was like, so there was a…

Michael: Oh, wait, before you
go on, I wanna pause and just go

back to what, what are we thinking
about to, like, where we were.

W- what are you thinking
about your partner?

Do they have to do what you wanna do?

Do your kids have to do what you wanna do?

Like, you know, just think about it.

Like, where are you making decisions in
your life that impact the people around

you without taking into account what
it is they want and the impact on them?

And it's just like, when you start to
look at that, you start to realize the ego

consciousness is the I thought, that all
your thoughts are revolved around I and

not in a, a holistic, healthy framework.

Or if you're thinking about other
people and what they want, are you

doing that from a place of fear?

Of like, "Oh my God, will
they want what I want?"

Or, you know.

And so, so that's, I think,
just wanted to close that.

Or are

Audree: you using that your partner
doesn't want what you want- Yeah … as a

justification to- To not do it … block-
Yeah … your success in the world?

Oh my gosh.

So

Michael: it's, it's like,
and this is the maze.

I'm thinking about my first marriage.

Yeah, this is the maze.

Like, I blamed

Audree: everything on my ex-husband-
Mm-hmm … when it was just me

being afraid of stepping out and-
Yeah … writing Evolutionary

Energetics and doing the work.

Michael: Well, I see why.

I mean, you know, even now we're
like, "Okay, well, you know, do

we, do we put the bigger frame in?"

And it's like, oh, that's kind of, like,
bold, and it's feels, like, scary and

Audree: good at the same time.

Michael: Well, it's a big,
bold, a- audacious tome.

Yeah.

Because what it's starting to feel
like is something much, much beyond

just Evolutionary Energetics.

It's, it's actually
framing the whole work.

Which makes sense 'cause Evolutionary
Energet- is the foundation of

the whole work, so how can you…

A- a- and it's just like, duh.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Sometimes the word,
like really kind of like-

Audree: Well, you know what?

I guess we're

Michael: working from old assumptions
and realizing, wait a second.

Audree: Back in 2011 when I started
writing Evolutionary Energetics,

that's when I realized this is way
bigger than what I think it is- Mm-hmm

and I need, I need to heal.

I need, I need massive
amounts of transformation.

I know I'm not, my, my ego is
gonna sabotage me the whole way

through, so I better giddy on up

Speaker 3: That's

Audree: when I went to India

Speaker 3: Mm.

' Audree: Cause I knew.

Speaker 3: Wow.

Audree: And here I am
right now in the same place

Except I have more tools.

I know it's me and nobody else,

Michael: you know?

You, you're not in the same place.

I mean, if you look structurally,
your energetic structures now

compared to where you were then.

Audree: Oh, totally different.

A- and evolved, but what
I'm saying is- What about,

Michael: what about the level of
percent, um- What I'm saying is the

other- … de- defragmentation of your
soul inception crystal compared to then?

Exactly.

Like, like I

Audree: wouldn't be where I am now had I
not gone on that journey, and at the same

time, there's, like, a part of me that
is, like, thinking about my ex-husband

going, "Wow, what a fucking bitch I was."

Mm.

Like, he didn't do anything wrong.

Michael: That's why I always
tell you when I talk to him,

he's like, he's, he's like…

And you say, "Don't get fooled."

Don't get fooled.

It's like, it's like there's an aspect-
Well, still don't get fooled, but- I c- I

can feel him, like, there's an aspect of
him that's just, that's just like this-

Audree: Yeah, has a huge heart.

Yeah … and he's, you know, very
innocent and childlike and- Yeah … wants

to be loved like everybody else.

Like, I, I…

Trust me, and I coulda done all
of this without getting divorced.

He would've supported me had I had
the tools to allow it to happen.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: But I didn't.

Right.

That's what I'm saying.

Coming

Michael: back to where we
started the conversation about-

Audree: Mm-hmm … our

Michael: projections-

Audree: Exactly … of

Michael: the other person or
our unresolved conflicts inside

of ourselves, these energetic
structures that are creating the

external reality in front of us.

Audree: Mm-hmm, yeah.

And causing people

Michael: around us to
behave the way they behave.

Audree: Right, and I did so much
damage, so much damage in that divorce.

Like, I really…

Like, my kids, I was like,
"Oh, my kids will be fine.

Ha ha."

Not.

But I, I, you know, m- the ego was like,
"Oh, go eat that whole thing of ice cream.

You know, go, you know,
go do all this damage.

You'll, everybody will be fine."

It's like go, go eat that, that big,
you know, rich fattening dinner and

then go run, you know, six miles
in the morning to, to burn it off.

But the six miles burning it off won't,
you know, all the fat running through

your veins or whatever, blocking your
heart, that won't, that, you know, or

whatever it's gonna do to your body, like

Or, or

you can, you can not allow any of that to
happen, and you can, like, not allow the

ice cream to do damage to your body or the
big rich dinner to do damage to your body,

or you could allow your, your partner to
show up in this loving, loving, supportive

way where you can do your work in the
world and be married and have children

and have the three dogs in the house.

Like, like, you can change your
perspective- Mm … by supporting,

loving yourself that you receive
everything that you need.

Mm.

I think that's what it is, is we're not
loving ourselves enough, and I don't

mean that in a fluffy bunny sort of a
way, but I mean a, like a deep, deep

desire to give yourself everything.

Like, you can have it all

And you don't have to destroy your
life or the people around you or

blame it on them or blame it on
circumstances or whatever to have it all

Michael: So this kind of ties in with an
earlier thread which we didn't highlight

here, which is, you know, relationship is
for wake up or an opportunity for wake up.

I mean, the people around you
are just trying to give you

the signals of what it is.

So all the challenge we have in
our relationships with our parents,

with our kids, with our partner,
all of it is just showing us what

those opportunities for evolution
inside of ourselves are, you know?

So,

so again, you know, I mean,
actually the same thing we do with

our, our leadership work, right?

You know, if you can show up no
matter what in a resourced, engaged

way, learning and growing in your job
situation, then, you know, take the

money from the company and stay there.

If you can't, you know, you're not, not
being honest with that company, right?

Because you're taking their money but
not showing up positive, resourced,

and doing what you need to do.

So then go find a situation where you
can do that or heal what it is that's

blocking you from doing that, right?

And same with the-- and it's exactly
the same with a relationship, right?

Either do the work to purify
whatever's causing the problem or,

or just, you know, keep your- Or exit

Or, or exit.

You know, keep those limitations
within you and just go exit.

Say, "Yep,

Audree: I, I don't wanna-" We do
that in our leadership course …"I

don't

Michael: wanna, I don't wanna heal.

I don't wanna-" Go

Audree: or grow

… Michael: right?

I wanna blame the other person.

I wanna blame the situation.

I wanna blame and say it's per-
we're just not incompatible.

I wanna, you know, do all that.

I wanna keep my limitation, right?

So that's the choice we
make again and again, right?

So there's no right, there's no wrong

Audree: So getting back to the book

Michael: Okay

' Audree: Cause I was, I was
looking at what the, the

I don't know what that,
the editorial or the-

Michael: The, the, you're talking
about the, um, the summary

analysis of the entire book?

Y-

Audree: yes.

And it was- Mm-hmm … missing your voice.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: That's what m- that's what
I was, I was kind of contemplating

this morning when all- Oh

this started coming up, is, is
that my voice is in the book.

I did start writing the book
of evolutionary energetics,

and that was my life's work.

And now we're together, and we're
combining and- Mm-hmm … evolving and,

and going, you know, the big picture of
what evolutionary energetics is, which

is, you know, the evolution of humanity.

Mm-hmm.

And, and so your voice is not in the book.

My book

Michael: voice is all over the book.

Audree: I know, which is
what the AI is missing.

Michael: Is everywhere there's, like,
a clinical, factual explanation of

the mechanical structure of things
without any personal element or

context, that's my voice in the book.

Audree: Yes.

Well, no, 'cause there's
some … I wrote some of that too.

So the … But it's like, it's
like I write in my opinion,

Audrey says, or Audrey shares.

Yeah.

And it's, there's no Michael sharing.

I think that's what it is.

It's like I inject my
personal story, my experience.

Michael: You're a three-five.

You're a line, you're
a profile three-five.

You're a storyteller.

That's who you are.

You have eight … You've a, you,
you're, in your, your, your human

design, y- your, your throat is,
uh, is, is defined, and you've got,

like, eight gates coming out of it.

You know what my throat's like?

' Audree: Cause I have the right
angle cross of explanation.

I'm here to give humanity something
new or something like that.

I don't know.

Michael: Yeah, you are.

Freak

Audree: to genius.

You

Michael: start, start a new, new
way of thinking and understanding.

Audree: Yeah, a new way of functioning.

Michael: Sorry, it's not eight gates.

Well, it's one, two, three, four.

It's five, five gates, one channel.

Um, but multiple- Maybe I'm just
supposed to be an opera singer … No,

it doesn't work like that.

Audree: Anyway, so I was
trying to kinda say- I have

Michael: one.

I have one.

I have one, and it's channel 16, right?

Audree: Which is what?

Michael: Which is, this is
where my cynic is, right?

Audree: Oh, Jesus.

Exactly.

It's the one throat I have is- But
your cynic has been really good- Uh,

yeah … 'cause that's, uh, like,
we've made so many- That's how we cut

through the, cut through the noise

brilliant discoveries from that.

Michael: That's how we cut
through the noise, right?

Yeah.

It's, uh, gate 16, the gate of
enthusiasm, the gate of skills.

So my, my throat gate is
actually about skills.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And it's just
about enthusiasm, right?

Mm-hmm.

That, that's it.

That's all I got.

So that's why, that's why, because
I'm very structural, everything just

that I write is just very structural.

It's not about an opinion.

It's just, it's just this is the
factual mechanics of creation.

Well, I was- Here's how it works

… Audree: okay.

So I was wondering, is it Evolutionary
Energetics by Audry Tara Sahota?

It's, right now it's
Audre Tara and Michael K.

Sahota Mm-hmm But it could be,
um, by Audre Tara Sahota with,

it could be a with Michael K.

Sahota.

Mm-hmm.

So it, there's a, there's, like,
you know they do that in the movies

when there's this, like, there's a,
a super famous actor in the movie.

They will say, at the end they'll say,
like, with Reese Witherspoon or something.

They'll, they'll, they get an extra
kind of, like, standout, you know,

kind of, I don't know what- I know

you would call it.

Accolade or something.

So we could do it like that, or
we could, you could put your- Th-

Michael: this is seriously
what you think about?

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Good lord.

Audree: Because there was a
part of me- Be- believe for me,

Michael: this is, like, below, almost
below noi thret- noise threshold

Audree: I know.

Well, there was part of me trying
to figure out, well, what are you

gonna do when the book is finished?

Like, how are, how, you know, if it's

… Michael: Let's finish the
book and then worry about it.

Audree: Well, I'm not worried.

No, I, I- I was just
thinking- I don't mean worry.

I mean, like, all of the- I was
just thinking, like, what, what's

the marketing path of this book?

Mm-hmm.

You know, do I make all the decisions?

Do I make the decisions with Michael?

What part, you know, if I, like, start
sending this book to, like, the Omega

Institute and say, "Hey, here's my
book, and I wanna, I wanna do a, a

workshop here, a weekend workshop here-
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm … with, you know, an

introduction to Evolutionary Energetics,"
is Michael gonna wanna come with me?

Is he gonna wanna do this together?

I was thinking about presenting the book.

You know, we're self-publishing, but then
I was thinking, oh, you know, maybe I

get a, um, a literary agent and we shop
the book to other publishing houses-

Mm-hmm … which would be, like, Hay House
and Random and some other, some other,

you know … And then, and then what?

Where does Michael fit in with
this if they're like, "Okay,

you gotta go on a book tour"?

Like, you know, if it goes to
Hay House, Hay House basically

owns your ass for, like-

Michael: Yeah, that doesn't
feel like the right thing You

Audree: know what I mean?

But it, but what if it's
the right thing for me?

What if it's the right thing for the book?

Mm-hmm.

Like, if you're gonna be back in the lab
after the book is done, then, you know

That's what I was thinking about.

There's a- also presenting the book
to the Barbara Brennan School of

Healing and saying, "Hey, you guys,
here's … " You know, I've been wanting

to go back to school, that school.

Like, I almost, I wanted to
buy it when it was for sale.

Like, 'cause I see- That
if this is the evolution-

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm

Audree: that's happening within
the, the- Right … the human energy

field, the best position for this work
would be the Barbara Brennan School.

Meaning?

You know, I don't even know.

I mean, once the book
is out, they're done.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Audree: Once the book is out, almost
any healing modality- Right … unless

they adopt the, the chakra system
into their work, they're done.

So, you know, w- what does that mean?

Michael: Hmm.

These are really good questions.

Audree: I know, that's just, you know.

Michael: For me, I'm just like,
heads down, let's just sort out-

Get the book done and we'll- Yeah,
yeah … sort everything out later.

Yeah.

I know.

And like, let's, let's, you know,
you know, let's finish up, get

rid of all the duplication first.

Let's de-dupe the book, and then
we'll, you know, weave in- Clean

it up … but then we- Weave in the

Audree: other stuff … then we need

Michael: to create the new architectural
conceptual foundation in the introductory

chapter that we're talking about.

We need to get that locked and loaded.

Then we can go through and clean
up the phrasing and the wording

that's, you know, where it needs,
you know, cleaning up and so on.

Mm-hmm.

Right?

Audree: See, I like you in the lab.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

I like me in the lab, too.

Audree: Yeah.

So I, I just, uh, in, in- I think I
need, I need to stay in the lab … your

Michael: brain needs to stay in the
lab … I need to stay in the lab, which

means … Yeah, I just need to stay
in the lab 'cause I, 'cause, 'cause,

'cause we actually need to change how
humanity functions in a very practical

way, and that's what the lab is about.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: And so, um, so, so yeah,
I'm only gonna be in a support

role for Evolution Energetics.

So you'll be making decisions.

I'm generally not gonna be involved
with it on a day-to-day basis.

You'll come to me for advice on important
things, and we'll do things together

that are right for us to do together.

It's very simple.

Audree: Okay.

You hear, you heard it here first, folks

Michael: And that's our working
plan, and we'll change it as needed.

Got it.

Done.

Audree: Okay.

That sounds good.

Michael: And also it's not a fixed thing.

It's like what we've seen is like there's,
there's an, there's a, like I've been in

the lab for a while and now we're, now
we're just kind of focusing on Evolution

Genetic, which just feels correct and-

Audree: Well, I just think
it's funny that it's like

I've been terrified to go out
on my own, and I feel, like,

comfortable and supported by you
to have the ability to do that.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Audree: That's what it feels like for me.

It's like, that's why I was like,
"I can't do this without you."

You know?

And regardless, I have to do this.

Like, I have to bring evolutionary
energetics- Mm-hmm … out into the

world, and it's been s- very, very
scary for me, and at the same time, I

feel like part of my training program
has been working side by side with you.

I've been learning how
to facilitate, teach.

I've been getting better at technology,
not completely and fully, but I feel

comfortable and confident in the skills
that I've developed, and ready to go

out even with my undeveloped skills.

Like-

Michael: No, you're, you're, you're fine

Audree: I know, 'cause I have you Behind
every powerful woman is a strong man

Michael: That supports her

Audree: That supports her Yeah

Michael: Every balanced, powerful woman

Audree: Yeah.

Like

I have to do this.

Mm-hmm.

You do.

Like, I don't have a choice.

It's not on me.

No.

Michael: Sorry, Charlie.

Audree: It's not on me either
really, which is so weird.

Well, you have a choice.

No, I don't have a choice.

No.

Like, I have to do this.

Michael: Hmm.

Well, maybe that's the block.

Audree: No.

The- Well, I

Michael: think, I think- It's
not like, it's not like your but-

Are you doing it for pleasure?

Like, I'm in the lab for pleasure.

Well, that … See,

Audree: that's what my have to is.

Oh, it's

… Michael: That's not really have to then.

Yeah.

No, no.

That's I want to.

See, you get confused by my words.

Well, 'cause it, 'cause, 'cause
have to doesn't mean want to.

That's why.

Audree: Well, I don't have- Like, I wanna

Michael: be in the lab.

Like

Audree: Like, I don't have
the strong no that you have.

I'm a very different
human being than you are

Like me saying- Oh, your have

Michael: to is a different
thing energetically.

Duh.

It doesn't really mean have to.

Duh.

Wow.

Mysteries of life re- revealed.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Like I have to go on the roller coaster.

Oh, that's why you always say, "I

Michael: have to do this thing,"
but I think it's the other have

to, and it's really d- your
have to, which is not a have to.

Right,

Audree: because you're
perceiving me as your- As

Michael: using linguistically the correct
word for the energetic frequency, yes.

How silly of me.

Who,

Audree: who does that?

Michael: Who does that?

That's so uninteresting.

Exactly.

Audree: All right, so
are we finished here?

We close?

I think

Michael: we're, we're on complete.

Are we done?

Yes.

Hmm.

Audree: Hmm.

Michael: All right, we'll take
three minutes for the each of you.

I

Audree: just wanna say one thing.

I did find the boat that
you would wanna live on.

It's just that it's $2 or $3 million
a year just to hire the crew.

Michael: Got it.

Duly noted.

Billionaire requirement, check.

Audree: Or we could just, we
could also charter the boat.

You don't own it, but you just charter it.

Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

Audree: And that's a little bit cheaper

It's only $200,000 for the, for a week.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Audree: I figured it out.

If we have 12 people on the boat, I think
it's like $25,000 a person per week.

Michael: All right.

This is what you're important to share?

Audree: Yeah.

But if you look at it, like, you
know, like your, um, our son was

looking at, you know, a week on
a, on a cruise was like $10,000.

So $25,000 for the week doesn't
seem like that big of a deal when

you're on a private chartered yacht.

Speaker 3: Hmm.

That's all right.

Audree: Not, you know,
some schlocky thing.

Or even going to swim with the whales.

It's 10…

You know, it's like $8,000 and kinda on
a semi-decent boat, but not this yacht.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Now I'm done.

Michael: Now you're done?

Okay, let's take three minutes.

Thank you for joining us.

Let's be evolutionary