B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Michael: So, uh

I think it's been, uh, only a few
days since we did a podcast, but it

feels like it's been maybe a month.

Audree: Forever.

Michael: Yeah.

Like there's, um

Audree: Feels very quiet

Michael: Mm-hmm

Yeah, I feel completely different
than I've ever felt in my whole life.

Um, I wanna share what's going
on now, but there's some kind

of backstory filling needed.

I remember there was this,
this moment yesterday where

it felt as if I'd had 100 massages.

Like my body was so relaxed, and
it's not even my body was so relaxed,

it's like my mind was so relaxed.

It's like this thing that I never
really noticed, this constant tension

in my mind that always was there
'cause I never knew anything else.

It was just gone, and it's like, "Oh."

It's like, you know, after a good
massage, your body feels, "Oh, I feel

so relaxed now," or something like that.

But it's like my mind felt
like, "Oh, I feel so relaxed."

Like it's just like open and free.

And so, uh, so that's kinda
like, that's a little vignette.

The other thing, uh

And so what was going on, and this is
what led to the experience, this is

the kind of the backstory here that
I'm filling you in on, is, uh, is this

realization that what we're doing is
we're moving ourselves out of the really

deviated light code programs that are
operating within our being that are

causing our behaviors and all of the, the
destructive patterning and the self-hatred

and so on, and, uh, doing an upgrade.

And so, you know, if we think about
this whole evolutionary process, it's

like an up- upgrade to the operating
system or upgrade to the program on

your computer, and involves uninstalling
the old one and installing a new one.

And so I've had this, this awareness
that the, the transmission of

this work is that upgrade program.

It is the upgrade signal.

It is the, the signal to our own being
to say, "Hey, it's time to let go of

the old program with the deviation and
time to upgrade to the new program."

There's no real upgrade because we're
just returning to the original intention,

which is sitting there underneath it all.

We're just removing the layers of stuff.

But from the perspective of where
experientially it feels for me as

operating from an egoic consciousness,
purifying and transforming into its

truth of greater consciousness, there's
this aspect of experiencing this upgrade

where the-- like I'm, I'm literally
experiencing this by being the old

deviated light codes are dissolving
and letting go of, and then the

installation of the, the new light codes.

And so that's the backstory.

And so there's a lot of technical details
of how to make this all work, and so on.

We're not gonna go into those here.

But was-- that's the backstory.

And so what was going on for me
this morning in the shower, of

course, I mean, where else, where
else does this, this happen?

But I had this, this flash of this
moment in Blade Runner And if you think

of the movie Blade Runner, it's, you
know, talking about, you know, these

humans, you know, this investigator
trying to figure out, you know, who

are the replicants, and they have this
very sophisticated test to find out.

And in the movie, you know, they,
they, you know, they, you know, he,

you know, this detective is testing
on this one human and, uh, you know,

and then he's talking to the, you
know, the head guy of this whole, you

know, laboratory for building these
replicants, these AI robot things.

And he, he goes, "She
doesn't know, does she?"

And he goes, "No, she, she doesn't know."

And so the whole premise is there
is this, this character who's,

who's a, who's a synthetic being, is
programmed, but she doesn't know she is.

But she thinks she's a real human
being living a real human life.

And so what I got in that moment in the
shower was, oh, that's what's going on.

We're actually programmed, and
we're changing our program so

we create the life we want.

And, you see, the thing is
we're like Rachel in this movie.

We, we're a program, but the
fact that we're a program

doesn't change our experience of
being alive and feeling alive.

It doesn't change anything.

And that's the thing that I think there's
this big misunderstanding I've had,

and I think it certainly exists in the
world, is that just because there's a

program operating and creating your life,
and you can change that program, which

is what we've been talking about this
whole time of all of our work in the

podcast, is that it doesn't change who
you are because you are not the program.

You are the aspect of consciousness
experiencing the program.

That is you.

And the, your experience of creation
and the joy and the profoundness

of, of the incredible nature of it
actually opens up and comes alive.

So discovering the truth of what you
are, that there's a bunch of programs

running it, doesn't change anything.

It, uh, uh, in a negative way, it actually
liberates you and goes, "Ah, now because

I know what's going on, I can change it."

And that's really the magic or the
paradox is that once you understand

that it's all a program and that you,
the ego conscious you that is confused

and thinks that you're not actually the
one doing it, and you realize what's

happening, then you realize what you
actually are as source consciousness,

and then you can actually change it.

I mean, the whole thing is such an
incredibly sophisticated genius invention.

But just to go back to the story of
this, this, this, this, uh, character,

Rachel, in the movie Blade Runner.

She doesn't know, and even when
she finds out, it doesn't change

her experience of reality.

It doesn't matter

Audree: See, I would, I would
kind of interpret it a little

bit different, saying that

Just 'cause you know your source
consciousness doesn't change

the fact that you're still
experiencing physical reality.

Michael: Mm.

Oh, beautiful.

Audree: Right?

And because your source
consciousness experiencing physical

reality, now you can change it.

Michael: Mm.

Yeah.

Or as you step into that.

And then, so that's the first vignette.

Anything more?

And I got a second one.

Audree: Well, it's so fascinating-

Right?

She's this...

She's not human.

She has unlimited ability, but she's
forcing herself, like she doesn't

know that she's this AI replicant

Michael: Initially,

Audree: yes She, initially, yeah, she
thinks she's human Mm-hmm So she thinks

she's this limited being confined to
this identity and this way of being

And so it's, I mean, it's, that's
what we're going through here as

we're evolving our consciousness.

We're starting to understand that
we are a source consciousness.

We're not limited human beings.

And at the same time, it doesn't change
the fact that we're still in a human body.

We're still, we're still, you know, we're
still confined or, or part of the...

See how I say confined?

That's interesting.

We're still having a human experience.

We're still experiencing physical reality.

And I said interesting that I
said confined, 'cause that's, I

think, the limiting factor here, is
that my perception is, is that if

we're human, we're limited, right?

'Cause we've been told we're limited.

You know, we're, we're told we
only live to 100 years, but there's

evidence of human beings living,
you know, hundreds of years.

Like, the, the body doesn't have
to age the way it's been aging.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: I mean, that's
just a physical thing.

But then if you think about not using
all of our brain, what other skills or

what other, what other things can we
do if we were using all of our brain?

Michael: Hmm.

Oh, and then the other thing that I
came up is, you know, she has these

memories of being a child and having
these experiences, and there's an

emotional charge with some of them
and- Mm-hmm ... and like, and, and

she's going, "Well, wait a second.

None of these are real."

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Right?

None of them are actually real, right?

So, so that's kind of, you know, also
part of the story is none of the trauma

or the wounding or the limitation that you
think exists within you is real, right?

It's just a, it's just a synthetic
memory to have an experience.

Yeah.

And so, so I think part of this whole
thing is just getting really in the

state of peace with this is, this
is the s- this is what's going on.

This is what's going on.

This is what the situation is, and
not resisting it and not struggling,

which has been quite, quite a journey.

Audree: I have a really,
a personal experience.

So my mom, when I was growing
up, was very-- she was

mentally ill and very abusive.

And

I remember, this is, like, before I
met you, so this must have been about

12 years ago or something like that.

And I was having a
conversation with my mom.

I, I was living in California,
and I was very lonely.

And for some reason at that time in
my life, my parents became, like,

my really good friends of mine.

Like, I went to them for advice a lot.

Like- ... it was just such a different
relationship- Mm-hmm ... that I was having

with my parents, 'cause I had been doing
all those parent processes in India,

and my perspective was shifting, and I
was just trying to heal myself and my

relationships and, and it was working.

Like, it was effortless
and, and it was easy.

And so I was having a
conversation with my mom.

We would talk for hours.

Right.

And I remember she said, "Audrey,"
like, "I don't understand.

You have a relationship with me, but
your sisters won't talk to me, and they

insist that I was abusive and, and insist
that they had this horrible childhood.

But you, you don't..."

You know, she's like,
"Why are you different?"

And I realized my mom didn't
remember what she had done.

And, and that, that was always like that.

She would have these huge outbursts-
... and go crazy, and then not remember

the next day anything that happened.

And my dad would be like, "She, she
blacks out, and it's this," you know.

And I was like, "She should be
in a mental institution," and da,

da, da, da, da, or on medication.

Like, and it was the '70s.

It wasn't like it is today.

Um

But in that moment when I was having this
conversation with my mom, I was like, "My

mom doesn't remember what happened as a,
in our childhood for me and my sisters

And in that moment, I was like, "If she
doesn't remember, I don't have to remember

And I didn't wanna tell her 'cause
I didn't wanna hurt her feelings.

Like, I didn't want...

Like, it was like this, and it was
this, it was this shift in my-- It

was like a shift in my brain, like
a lightning bolt went off in my

brain, and it was like, I can let go.

And even then, I was still having a,
a relationship with my mom, but I was,

like, incredibly, like, I, I had all this
forgiveness and, you know, she didn't

have the tools and she didn't have the,
she didn't have the support system.

She had a horrible childhood.

Like, I was making all these
excuses, you know, and, and, and

feeling like love and compassion.

But in that moment

I was like, "I can let go of the story."

Mm.

And there's all kinds of psychological
and spiritual processes and techniques

where you could change your story,
but your story can't change by saying,

"Oh, I'm gonna change my story."

This was like a...

It was a shift of consciousness that
happened spontaneously, but it happened

in this moment of truly letting go.

But

Michael: you were doing all this
work at, at, like, massive, massive.

I mean, you spent months at Oneness,

Audree: right?

I, well, that, I mean,
that's- I mean, it's

Michael: not like it
just randomly happened.

It was like-

Audree: That's the whole
thing is, like, at Oneness-

Michael: It was the fruit of effort

... Audree: it, it was the fruit of effort.

It was the knowledge of understanding
consciousness and perception, and

it was, uh, an energetic component.

I mean, there were 100 monks in
high states of consciousness,

and they were all doing e- Mm-hmm

like massive amounts- Yeah ... of
energy work and preparation,

and they were doing things.

So, so, but that's what it
takes, and it was a choice.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Because until that moment, I did
not have the choice to change the story.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: I had the choice of forgiveness.

I had the choice of compassion.

I had the choice of all these- Yeah

other things where I thought-

Michael: That was it

... Audree: that was it.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: But I never had the
choice to completely let go.

Hmm.

Michael: Hmm.

Yeah, that's a big one.

It reminds me of the story they told us
at Oneness, and, uh, it was a story about,

um, about how we're-- really a story
about, you know, our relationship with

all of our wounding and all the stories.

And, uh, it was about this, this
small school in rural India, and,

uh, you know, the, they said, "Okay."

The teacher said, "Okay, well,
today, kids, we're gonna talk about,

um, and work on, you know, all the
things that trouble us," right?

All, all the things that happened in
the past that are a problem, that are

a problem for us that, you know, that
are, that are upsetting for us and, you

know, and concern us, and we wish it were
different and, but things in the past.

So she says, "Okay, here,
here's all these potatoes.

Okay, everyone, um, take a potato
and write on the potato, um, what

it is that upset you," right?

"What thing in the past, what hurt in the
past is, you know, that you still kind of

have with you, and write it on the potato.

And if you have something else,
write it on another potato.

And here are these sacks.

Okay, everyone, put all your potatoes
with all your hurts and wounding

in these sacks, and now I want you
to keep these potatoes with you.

You can s- you're gonna sleep with these
potatoes, you're gonna keep them with

you, and that's how we're gonna work
on this so we can actually free you."

And the kids are going, "Okay, okay."

Well, you know, they're little kids.

I mean, they, they go, "Okay,
well, r-right, we'll try this.

Okay."

So the kids are keeping
their potatoes with them.

They're taking them to school with them.

They're taking them home.

They're, you know, keeping them
beside them, you know, in their

bed when they're sleeping.

And then, uh, you know, so the days go by

And then, you know, it turns into
a week and then two weeks, and

then the kids are going, "Teacher,
these potatoes are really stinky.

They're going rotten and smelly.

Why, why do we have to keep carrying
these rotten potatoes that are

smelly and stinky and unpleasant?

Why do we have to keep
on carrying them with us?

Please, can we stop doing this?"

And she says, "This is what you're doing
with the hurts that are inside of you.

You're keeping them with you.

You're choosing to carry them
with you instead of letting go."

You know, the story's not like that

Audree: I know.

Do you, you know they made that story up?

Michael: Of course they made it up.

' Audree: Cause the it's a metaphor-

Michael: Yeah

... Audree: in modern psychology.

Michael: Yeah.

I don't know where that came from.

Audree: No, they, they do, they make
up these stories as if they were,

like, happened in rural- Ancient,

Michael: ancient, ancient history.

That's a great story of the story.

Audree: But they, they do stuff
like that for, like, people that

are quitting smoking, that you take
all your cigarette butts and you

put them in a plastic baggie, and
then you carry the bag with you or-

Michael: Yeah

Audree: or there's a great one where, um,
in high school they have, um, teenagers

with a, a baby, like a real, like a, a,
a baby doll that's like this real baby

that's like 10 pounds or something.

Mm-hmm.

And they have to take care of it.

I remember we had to take
care of something like that.

We had to take care of a rock
or a potato or something.

I mean, like, we had to do that-
Right ... like, as if it was,

like, a real, a real human being.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And it, I think it's,
like, this weird deterrent for,

you know, not, not having child
pregnancy or something like...

But I mean, you know, it, it's
a, it's a really great metaphor

to understand how these things
that we're carrying burden us.

Michael: Right.

And so that's, I think for me, you
know, connected with the, you know,

the choice to evolve, the choice to
do the work, the choice to get rid

of, like, the, the toxin within us.

And, and, and I think the...

You know, let's go back to Audrey's story,
is it's really just very clearly showing

how it was creating Audrey's reality up
to that point, because she was carrying

the story of her mother, so it was always
there every time she talked to her, right?

And once it was let go of, it's like done.

Right?

And there's no longer
this, you know, projection.

And, and that's-- You know, if you
kind of go back to it, it's like...

And this is really what's been so,
so clear, especially in the last

few days really for me, is that
everything around us is just a

projection of what's inside of us.

And the-- You know, this is actually the
whole structure of the egoic consciousness

to keep us trapped in, in the loop.

Because when we, we think it's outside
of us, and we look outside of us,

and we try to solve outside of us,
we're no longer looking internally.

And so that's really, I think-- And this
is where there's been a huge level up in

the last few days, is this really this
precision of like something outside and

a- like, and like the, the-- just for a
split second starting to focus outside

and then whoop, no, I'm gonna go inward.

Like, what, what is going on inside of me?

This is within me.

I'm creating this.

And, and, and actually having the,
the mechanisms to, to go do that.

And what that does is it
avoids us-- it gets us off

this constant treadmill, right?

Of looking outside, looking
outside, solving outside when the

actual disturbances are inside.

When the disturbances are gone,
then of course we're in a situation

outside and we make a choice
and we deal with it, you know?

Audree: It's even, it's even to
the extent of physical healing.

Like even right now, like I have
a fractured rib or something.

And, um, and this is every time I've
healed myself, I've had to sit in

the, the physical, physical pain in
my body, and I can feel there's this

aspect of me that wants to be in pain.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: That wants to slow down,
that wants to-- Like I can feel it

even in me now, like there's like
a choking in my, in my throat.

Like I just wanna cry.

I just wanna-- I just wanna collapse.

Mm-hmm.

You know, I just wanna go to the hospital
and get some pain medication, but like

I took a pain pill on the first night
just to sleep, and I, I didn't feel good.

I had horrible dreams.

So I, so I've been taking ibuprofen,
but you know, when I broke my hip

or, you know, like I, when I fell
down the stairs, I took eight hours

in bed and I cried and I allowed
myself to just feel whatever- Mm-hmm

was feeling, but there was no
intention to hold onto the pain.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And it's like that's,
that's what happens when, when...

You know, I, I worked on a
medical team for five years, guys.

I worked in, as a healer, as even
as a massage therapist, you know,

colon hydrotherapy and detoxing,
like a real f- the, like the

physical aspects of healing the body

And I always would know,

like, where my clients
were psychologically and

how their pain served them

And that's what you have
to give up, the identity

Like you have to look at where is the pain
and suffering in your life serving the

aspect of you that doesn't wanna heal?

And that's a big one when you
say, "I'm creating my reality."

And now you can look at like,
well, I was molested as a child.

These things might be true.

Like, these are really strong traumas that
we've had, or your parent was abusive,

or things happened to you as a child.

Like even a, you know,
Michael had a car accident

Where we're pretty sure, you know, I had
a car accident where, I mean, serious,

serious trauma where you, you die

And

You know, where is that experience,
that life experience taking

you out from showing up to your
life in this present moment?

So this is a very, very strong
yes, these things happened to you.

I'm not saying, "Oh, you should
get over it," or whatever.

We're not ... That's not it.

But where are you gonna love yourself
to the point of saying, "You know what?

It's okay now.

I can let it go."

Yeah.

Because it's this continuous self-abuse.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: There's another point, too, I'll
just say really fast 'cause I know there's

other things you wanna talk about, but-

Michael: No, not a lot

... Audree: in, uh, there's a, a process
for, uh, in Native, um, Americans or the

indigenous cultures, I should say, in,
in, uh, in, um, in the United States.

And the shamans, um, who like ... Just
on another point, the tribes that

had shamans, like they were like
the tribal doctor, but they looked

at things not just physically.

They looked at things metaphysically.

They looked at the s- the whole.

They looked at ener-
energetically what was happening.

Mm.

And they had very high success
rates for healing because of that

And the shamans, there's a process
that's called soul retrieval.

And not o- only have I participated
in these, in soul retrievals with a-

actual real indigenous shamans, um,
I was a- I was also taught how to,

how to, how to do these processes.

And, um

What happens is that

the psyche, the consciousness, or
we could say the ego consciousness,

gets trapped in the trauma

In a, in a dimension.

So as we're talking about now, like
you can talk about string theory or

multidimensional aspects of our being, we
get trapped in that trauma in a dimension,

and we experience that trauma over and
over and over and over and over again.

That's what happens.

And until we choose to end that cycle,
that cycle just remains for eons forever.

And so, uh, that's in a soul retrieval
ceremony, that's what the shaman is doing.

It's, they're going back.

Or you could say past life healing,
you're doing the same thing.

You're going back and you're
retrieving that aspect of your

being, and you're stopping the cycle.

Like when I was at Barbara Brennan, we
did this work, and we would go into that

dimension wherever that, that trauma
was happening, and we would stop it.

Mm.

And we would pull that
aspect of consciousness

energetically out of that trauma.

Um, and so it's a very profound...

I remember the first time I actually
experienced it, uh, I was in Seattle with

one of my teachers from Barbara Brennan
that did this other work on the side and

Whoa.

And we did it where we're like, I, I
don't know, there was like seven soul

retrievals in one, in one session.

Mm-hmm.

It was like unbelievable.

And I, we were in a room with
like, I think like 15 people.

So it was like she was
doing it all at once.

So, so, so incredible and so powerful

Why am I talking about this?

Oh, it's 'cause we hold
on and how we hold on

Michael: Right.

So this is what, you know, PTSD is.

That's why, you know, it's hard to treat
it because, you know, energetically

there's no, there's no, you know,
usual medical-- There's no treatment

for the energetic component, which is

Audree: actually

Michael: the thing holding it in

Audree: place.

You know, it, all, the whole
medical community, the whole,

um, psychology industry is, like,
completely discounting all the, the

aspects of our being that need to
be addressed in order to fully heal.

Yeah.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Hmm.

So, you know, that reminds me
of what, what, what, you know,

what the actual structure is.

And, and, and this is where there's
this whole evolutionary process

is, is very fractal in nature.

Because the first part of the work
we're doing is, is defragmenting

ourselves as the egoic consciousness,
defragmenting that piece of being

to bring that into, into wholeness.

And then there's a-- then there's kind
of what I'm-- what we were talking

about today, which is this, this, you
know, dissolving of the, the whole

egoic consciousness, the, the, the
deviated program so that it, there's

a return to the original intention
as, as creator consciousness free of,

free of tho-those, those imprints.

And so there's these...

So what I got is these, these
different layers of purification.

And, you know, I have this visual of
like, you know, it's almost like, you

know, we're in a labyrinth, like a round
labyrinth, like a concentric, concentric.

And it's like, you know, we have
to go through layer after layer.

Like we start in the middle, we have to
go layer after layer after layer until

we finally get to the outside, and then
the whole thing kind of just dissolves.

But there's actually a, a...

It seems like it's not-- I mean, it's
actually like very, very, like very,

very sophisticated structure to the whole
design of the whole thing or the whole,

you know, emergent structure that's there.

Audree: Well, it's interesting 'cause
it's designed to trap you and to

keep you in the limiting cycles.

That's how it's designed

Michael: Yeah,

Audree: so

Michael: this is where it's interesting.

I don't know if that, it's
actually designed that way.

It feels like it's designed that way.

However-

Audree: It's a puzzle

... Michael: you know, y- see, the thing
is, I think at, at the, the actual

structure is that there's a, there's
a, there was an impulse of what was

happening, and that's the emergent
structure that unfolded as a result of it.

I, I don't think there was ever- ... you
know, and it all kind of cascades.

I think it's the fractal of, of the-

Audree: Do you know when
you walk a labyrinth?

Have you ever walked a labyrinth?

Michael: No, we've done it together.

Audree: But have you ever
walked a labyrinth where you've

had the profound insights?

Michael: I don't think I've ever had a
profound insight walking a labyrinth.

That would be a true statement.

Audree: So-

Michael: I've walked a labyrinth,

Audree: but no ... FYI people, when
you walk a labyrinth, first of all,

uh, you should do it intentionally,
you should do it silently, and

you should do it not rushed.

And you really shouldn't walk a
labyrinth when somebody else is in it,

'cause it's like, it, it's a

Walking a labyrinth is
actually a real process.

It's a, it's a activation
and a healing process.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: And, and they're quite profound

Michael: I can start again.

Like there's a problem with
the iPhone with this app.

When someone calls, even though
I'm on do not disturb, it, uh,

it just stops the recording.

So this part can be recording.

When did it

Audree: stop?

Michael: Yeah, I, I, I, I caught it right
away, so we might have lost a few seconds.

Audree: Oh, okay.

Michael: Just keep on

Audree: going.

I'm thinking we weren't supposed
to talk about that then.

We were talking about labyrinths-

Michael: Yeah

... Audree: and walking them.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: Walk them intentionally,
silently- Mm-hmm ... alone, and

slowly, meaning don't walk when
somebody else is in a labyrinth.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: So all these
groups doing labyrinth work

I'm actually doing it wrong

Michael: Mm.

Audree: Anyways.

Michael: Yeah, as usual.

Audree: Yeah.

Half truths.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

So, so that's, that's kind
of the first power- part of

the, uh, ... the whole thing.

And then, then I'm thinking
about, well, you know, the, the,

like I, like I'm doing like-

All these, you know, light code, you
know, insulation upgrades and so on.

It, it's actually, like, profound.

I mean, it's profound beyond anything
I've ever experienced in my life, I think.

But you know what?

Like, this is all onesies.

Like, what about the big thing?

Like, why, why don't I
just do the whole thing?

And then what came to me was, was in
Harry Potter in the final movie, uh,

where he's walking to his death because
he knows there's a Horcrux inside of

himself, so he's walking to his death
so he can get killed by Voldemort, so

the Horcrux within him, which is an
aspect of Voldemort, will be destroyed.

But he's doing this intentionally,
and it's like, oh, I just, I just need

to, I just need to dissolve, dissolve
myself, whatever the, like, that kind

of the voice active thing in my head is.

That's what happened.

That's what you came this morning.

Hmm.

Um, and so that's what I did, and
then I'm like, oh, I just, I'm just

gonna just do the, the upgrade on,
on, you know, let go of the old, old

program and up- do the upgrade it here.

And then, and then everything
just started melting.

Everything was melting.

I had to just go lay down, and I was
laying down for an hour, and that's

kind of when you came in this morning.

And but that's what happened.

It's like, oh, like it's just like letting
go of everything, everything, everything,

everything, everything, everything

Audree: You know, it's interesting.

When, uh, J.K.

Rowling was writing Harry Potter,
she was homeless and kept getting

Uh, rejected.

The stories were rejected
over and over and over again

And so I'm wondering what her process was-

Michael: Mm

... Audree: that she could write
the ending to the story

Because it was really about Harry
Potter, all of his doubt, all of

his fear, all of I'm not worthy, all
of that, all of that stuff was the

voice of the Horcrux inside of him.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And he had to kill himself in
order to free himself of the Horcrux

And that's exactly what we're doing here.

Michael: Well, it's even more interesting
because when we talk about, um, how our--

the aspect of us that's us, you know, we
call it the soul inception crystals, the

actual like energetic structure- Mm-hmm

or, you know, some people call it a
soul, is split into so many pieces.

Like, our soul is split into how many?

Like a, like 100,000 pieces.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Right?

And so what we're doing is- So,

Audree: so-

Michael: If you have a soul retrieval,
like you're getting one part ... not

Audree: just 100,000 pieces.

We are in 100,000
incarnations all at once.

Well- Beyond, beyond be...

I mean,

Michael: it's like, it's-
Yeah, it's just a mess.

It's like across different, different,
different- Timelines, dimensions

... parallel realities, different timelines-
Yeah ... different points in time.

It, it's just, it's just, you know,
it's just a complete, complete, utter-

Audree: Galaxies

... Michael: yeah, complete mess.

And so that's what we're
bringing back into wholeness.

And so it's not like Voldemort,
the bad guy, has seven Horcruxes.

It's like we, human beings on
planet Earth, have 100,000.

That's what we're working with.

That's why as beautiful as Audrey's
soul retrieval experience was, as

extraordinary as it is, because she's
coming-- that, that little bit of

coming back into wholeness, going
down from 144, 140,000, sorry, 100,000

aspects of you to nine- 99,999,
having those two parts come together.

It's like, "Woo-hoo!"

It's like the best thing in the world.

Like it- this extraordinary
healing beyond capacity.

But we're talking right now with this
work about healing the whole thing.

That is what it is about.

Audree: And that's what's needed.

Michael: And that is what is required-
Yeah ... to participate in the

evolutionary process of humanity.

And there's no one who can save you.

You are the only one who can save you.

You, that aspect of your fragmented
existence of your soul, the strongest

one can pull, so that she said, can pull,
make the choice to evolve and do the

work to pull all those other fragments
from all the past time, from all those

fractal aspects of your being in parallel
dimensions into one whole being that

can then purify into the truth of what
and who you are as source consciousness

incarnated in the material plane, free of
that fracture and that split in wholeness.

I mean, that's what we're talking about.

That's why we say enlightenment
is not what it's about.

That's 3% of this.

Enlightenment one says, "Well,
I'm a fractured soul fragment.

Let me just get by in this life
and feel good about it, and not be

suffered by, by the, the complete
mess my, my soul's fragmented into."

And we're not talking about
soul as a conceptual element.

We're talking about the actual specific
mechanics of your soul inception crystal,

the actual energetic structure that
governs your being in this life that

you're experiencing right now, hearing
what I'm saying, that it's governing

simultaneously because it's a, you
know, it's a, not a temporal construct.

It goes beyond that.

It's, you know, think of it as quantum
construct that goes beyond time.

It's governing your past lives.

It's governing you in other parallel
realities and other parallel dimensions.

It's governing all of that.

And that's why when we're saying you
sitting here, if you don't have any

awareness of how defragmented you are
across all the space-time continuum, and

you don't do the work to pull yourself
back together again, you cannot be whole

And now I'm starting to get why this work
is completely different than anything else

on the planet, 'cause nothing else on the
planet even remotely comes close to...

It doesn't even have the concept
of what this is even about

at the, the slightest fathom

Audree: Your soul inception
crystal is the very first thing

that is created that holds source
consciousness in the material realm

There, I said

Michael: it.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

It is done.

Michael: It's done.

Yeah, remember when that came in?

Audree: Oh, yeah.

Michael: Right?

You know, all, you know,
it, uh, a few years ago.

Yeah, the knowledge came in, it's like,
hey, there's a soul encryption crystal,

and like there are these, you know, 42
binding points, which are like these

core, core wounding that, you know,
allows us to func- that, that's keeping

us functioning as the ego consciousness
and, you know, and, and, you know,

it's kinda like we're kinda getting
the punchline a couple years later-

Audree: Yeah

Michael: this, this information.

Audree: We have been in a
very deep training program-

Michael: Yeah

... Audree: haven't we?

Michael: Yeah.

A wild ride.

Audree: Mr.

Toad's Wild Ride.

Michael: Yeah, it's, it's kinda like
going beyond everything you've known

and taking a leap of faith, um,
you know, several times a day for

several years and see where you get.

And, you know, fun story.

That's why, that's, that's, that's
the only way to get out of it.

B- That's why we have the poster
on the wall, "Trust the process."

Trust the process.

Because if you trust, if you're not
trusting the process of evolution,

you're trusting your mind, which
is the very thing keeping you

trapped in the looping cycle of pain

Yeah.

Fun fact

Audree: And for us, it's been highly
valuable in, on our personal growth.

And then we're, we're kind of like,
this is kind of also crazy making.

Michael: It's the test.

Audree: And what do we
do with all of this?

I mean, we've kind of consolidated
it into, like, some sort of training

program for other people, and at the
same time, yeah, it's like not all

the information is not fully there.

You have to start at the beginning
because if you don't have

the tools and techniques, you
can't even hold the knowledge.

Mm-hmm.

And then at the same time, we're
just like, how are we gonna bring

this work out into the world?

And now we're kind of like, eh, we don't
have to bring it out into the world.

Michael: Yeah.

Well, you know, I, I feel like
we can get to that, that bridge.

Well, the thing is, we ha-
the, the stuff's out there.

Mm-hmm.

If people come, they come.

It's fine.

Audree: Well-

Michael: If they don't
come, they don't come, so.

Audree: I think that's what I like
about doing these podcasts, is it's

just kind of like now we're just,
every day we could talk about our work.

We don't have to have people
sign up for a flipping class.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And we could just talk about
what we have been doing, and we've--

I noticed that the more we do these
podcasts, the freer we are- Yeah

in, in, like-

Michael: Just talking about what's going

Audree: on ... and just talk about what's
really, really going on, and at the same

time, you still have to do the work.

Yeah.

Like, you can listen to us, and it
could be like y- there's gonna be

something in your being that is like-

Michael: Oh, yeah

... Audree: oh, yeah, this feels true.

This feels true.

This feels right.

And at the same time, you have to
go all the way back to the beginning

then and, like, just do the nervous
system reset and the grounding

meditation because and, and- And the

Michael: inner state awareness.

Audree: I know.

And I remember, like, one of our, one of
our students is like, "Well, why do I have

to start all the way at the beginning?

Why don't you just teach
the energy stuff first?"

And I'm just like, 'Cause if you're not
stabilized in your current reality, in

your being- Yeah ... there is no way.

You will, you will pop, you
will pop into psychosis.

Michael: Well, the other, the other
thing I, we've, that I've seen so,

just so clearly is that without taking
people to the beginning, it really is

a deconditioning process to get them
out of all the other myth distorted

perceptions that they have, all the
other distorted teachings, all- Mm-hmm.

That's really...

And this is what I've
seen again and again.

The more somebody knows-

Audree: The harder it is

... Michael: the harder it is.

Like, the people who are innocent,
have never done energy work, have never

really done personal development, they
just pick it up, and they run with it.

Mm-hmm.

And they just go do, do, do, do, do.

The people who have other beliefs
or this or that- Or they- ... they

just keep on getting in their own

Audree: way ... they go to a, they go to
a meetup of energetic healers, and then

now they found their, their in-person
tribe, and they're very settled there.

Yeah.

You can no longer do this work
because you're, now you're being

pulled in this other direction- Yeah

of the, the half-truths.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Yeah.

And that's hard to say that without
sounding like, you know, you're a cult

or something like that or anything.

Audree: Well, because that's the, the
whole thing of the- That's the whole cult

Michael: strategy

... Audree: the whole cult
strategy is, is keep you-

Michael: I think our defense-

Audree: You gotta keep us

Michael: isolated

I think our defense mechanism is,
you know, just run the experiment.

Audree: Dun-dun, dun-dun.

Yeah.

Michael: Run the experiment.

Audree: Yeah.

So I think, so for us, here,
here's the thing, is that

You know, I think we're putting
the work out into the world,

and whoever takes it, takes it.

They use it for themselves, and they, and
they get what they need, and they, and

they start to shift and change their life.

And there's so many people that are out
there that are looking for community.

They're looking for a place to land.

They're looking for a place to
be held, and we don't do that

And there's been this kind of
contention in our system of

like, how do we hold our people?

How do we establish, you know,
something for them where they

feel like they have a home base so
they can feel held and supported?

And at the same time, I, I know for me,
I've, I've been in those communities, and

what happens is that humans get in the way

You know, like even for us, like having
this house and this property, like

we have to support it financially.

So that means that then we have to sell
our work, and that means that like,

h- you know, like, it's like this,
then it comes a survival-based mode

of business, and I don't want that.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: It doesn't feel right for me.

So, you know, that's why we're
selling the house 'cause it's like

we can no longer afford to be here

You know?

It's like, so there's always that kind
of like, you know, how do, how do we...

You know, even doing this kind of
work, like a lot of this work has

to be residential for, for, for
this work because you need to be

in an environment where it's safe.

It feels safe.

You're held.

The energy is at a really high vibrational
frequency, and we build this container

to do the work, but then you also
have to step out into the real world.

You have to be in the world.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

You know, you have to know how
to like be in fifth dimensional

frequency and walk through an airport.

Mm-hmm.

You know?

Which is a culture shock.

Yeah.

And it feels strange, and it feels weird,
and you know, so I get the whole like

wanting to, to live with people that are-

Michael: Mm-hmm

Audree: doing the work, that have the
same values, that have the same mindset,

that have the same understanding.

You know, I'm creating my reality,
so you're in relationship with

people that are like that.

And at the same time, I've seen-

Michael: Go sideways.

Audree: Yeah ... communities
or, yeah, teachings that have...

First of all, the teachings were
built in the deviation, so the

organization is gonna be in the
deviation, and it just doesn't work.

Mm-hmm.

We haven't figured that out yet.

Now I went on a tangent about other things

Michael: All good

Audree: My head still
feels like it's underwater

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Like my ears are clogged.

Michael: I can feel like a kind of
thickness all across here, top of my head

Audree: And it's uncomfortable
for me to say this

Michael: even Well, I think there's
one, one more thing I'll share-

Audree: Okay

... Michael: then we'll close.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Um, which is this real,
deep, deep realization That

everything counts and it all matters.

And

You know, the truth is
I'm, I'm pretty lazy.

I'm gonna do, do the least
that I can do to get by.

And like, I just want it to be one thing.

Okay, just tell me the
one thing I need to do.

Like, and so there's been an aspect
of my being, not a healthy one,

by the way, that's been like,
"Okay, just give me the one thing."

Like, let's just simplify this
whole evolutionary journey.

Like, just let me just
focus on the one thing.

And you know, I came to peace with this
like a day or two ago where it's like,

oh, there is no one thing because-

Audree: It's the Rishi story.

Michael: No, it's, it's more than
that or maybe it's exactly that.

I don't know.

Audree: It is exactly that.

Michael: And so it's, it's that

the journey, the requirement is
that we understand how to navigate

the complexity of our incarnational
situation, which is very, very complex.

So that requires a sophisticated,
refined, clear understanding of

exactly what is happening, exactly what
the, the tool or the countermeasure

perspective in the situation is.

So it's not like I can just focus on
one thing, like awareness is the primary

measure, primary mechanism of evolution.

The energy matters, the awareness matters,
the forgiveness matters, the get clear

matters, the Itu mantra matters, the using
of light codes matters, the understanding

of structure and energy coming together
as two aspects of creation matter.

And what I realized is that this is
the journey towards self-mastery.

It's that self-mastery over creation so
that when we understand what creation

is, then at that point we're stepping
into our role as conscious creator.

How can we be a conscious creator
if we do not understand how

the mechanics of creation work?

And I'm sorry folks, it's complex.

And, and the other part is it
doesn't matter how intelligent

you are, you can get it.

It d- IQ is not relevant, background
is not relevant because it is

just knowing what you are, which
is an experiential process.

It's not a mental cognitive process.

It is experiential.

And so that's my realization is
like, you know, I just keep on

like, "Oh, what do I need to focus?"

It's like, no, we need to like do the
work, put the time in to get mastery

over skill A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H,
I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, Z.

You need the whole alphabet, otherwise
you cannot speak the language

If you can't speak the language
of what your incarnation is, you

cannot claim ownership of it.

If you're missing a
letter, sorry, no good.

If you can't pronounce that
letter, sorry, no good.

You need to pronounce all the letters
and use them all together to master

the language so you can communicate
and be what you're designed to be.

That's my realization.

No shortcuts.

Just gotta put, put, use the
tools, and then the mastery comes

And that's what I've noticed with the She.

It's like they take us over here.

It's like they, you know, we'll focus
on this topic, and then we'll focus

on this topic, and then we'll focus on
this topic, and then we'll focus on this

topic, and then we'll focus on this topic.

It's like, wait a minute.

It's like fashion.

But then we're coming back
to this topic over here.

Mm-hmm.

But we're doing it from a deepened
perspective, and it's like, oh.

Audree: Right.

Like, I'm reading through the
transcript from yesterday.

Michael: Uh-huh.

Audree: And it's like gr- the
energy of gratitude holds everything

together when there's no form.

Michael: Right.

Audree: When you're in the void.

Michael: Right.

Audree: Whoa.

Michael: Like what?

Audree: Whoa.

It, it is such a different aspect of
gratitude that I never comprehended.

Michael: We were in the void before, so

Well, you know, that's
exactly the great example.

'Cause, like, when did we last visit
gratitude and use gratitude in depth

as, like, a first-class citizen, as
the premier citizen in our program

was two, three months ago, right?

And so it's like, it's like I
can see now this tapestry- Mm-hmm

this tapestry- Yeah ... of how we've
been kind of revisiting themes,

deepening the themes, revisiting themes.

'Cause I remember, like, two, three months
ago, gratitude, having gratitude for the

transmission was the, one of the, the most
powerful thing I was doing at that time.

Audree: Right.

Michael: And now what am I doing?

You know, yesterday, gratitude for the
transmission is what opens up the upgrade

frequency to bring in the new light codes

Audree: to restore- But they're not saying
have gratitude for the transmission.

They're saying have gratitude
for the past, gratitude for the

future, gratitude for the present,

Michael: gratitude- I,
I, it's my adaptation.

Ooh.

It's my experiment.

Sure.

Audree: But it, you're, if
that's your adaptation and your

experiment, you're missing the point.

Michael: Oh, I'm doing
the other stuff too.

It's just like there's a,
there's something else.

There's a yes and.

Yeah,

Audree: that's your-

Michael: Possibly

... Audree: your mind

Michael: is- Or it could be my mind's

Audree: hijacking the

Michael: ride ... it's

Audree: hijacking you.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Michael: We'll find out.

Audree: Exactly.

Michael: Stay tuned next week.

Well...

Audree: Fun fact.

Michael: Okay, so that's the bit on
self-mastery, the, the realization

Audree: That was really
powerful, by the way.

Michael: Right?

That's why no one can do it for you,
'cause how can someone else have

you take ownership and understanding
of what you are as consciousness?

I mean, it doesn't make any sense.

You know, no guru can heal you

Well, that's also fun, the fun paradox
is, is you need to do it yourself, and

at the same time when you choose to
do it, it's like the Matrix, right?

When you choose to do it, all
the resources are available.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Well-

Michael: And yes, you do need
h- h- support to, to get there.

I mean, we needed so much
support to get where we are

and run this training program.

Audree: And we've had it
every step of the way.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

And so does everyone else here.

All right, ready to close?

Audree: I am.

Michael: All right.

Let's take three minutes for-

Audree: Let me

Michael: put my coffee down

Thank you for joining us.

Let's be evolutionary