B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Audree: I was gonna say, who are you
and what have you done with my husband?

Because you're like, I'm
asking how you're doing.

And you're like, what did you say?

I forgot what you said.

Better than Extraordinary.

Extraordinary.

And then I said, well, it didn't
sound like it from upstairs.

And when I felt into you, 'cause.

You have to understand
it's a little personal.

Michael: You go to the backstory.

Go to the backstory.

I know backstory.

Roll the backstory.

Audree: Michael was taking a shower
this morning and he was just burping

and burping and burping, and I
came and I made my coffee and I sat

down on the couch and I felt into
Michael and I was, it made me sick.

I actually thought I was gonna throw up.

And so I said, well, it
didn't seem like you're okay.

And he goes, well that's,
that's a whole podcast.

Michael: Well, first I said, you
know, it is better out than in.

Audree: Yeah,

Michael: yeah.

It's gotta come up, out

Audree: producing Shrek.

Um,

Michael: yeah.

So it wasn't, I mean,
that wasn't the end of it.

I mean, I actually had
involuntary body movement.

Like as my body was releasing
all the, all the stuck energy,

like for about two minutes.

Audree: Really?

Michael: Yeah.

Yeah.

It was just like, like
spasming through my whole body.

Oh,

Audree: that is so bad.

Michael: Thank God.

Their handrails in that shower
father's the Holy Cross.

I dunno why it's, I dunno.

I might've had to go lay
down on the bathroom.

That happened

Audree: to me when I, when I built the
chambers in my house in California.

Michael: Yeah.

Like this was like full,
like uncontrolled body

Audree: movements.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's what happened to me.

Yeah.

So you're so, so what that the, the body
movements are your, your, the energy

channels in your body actually breaking
through and the energy coming through

Michael: it.

It's also a, or

Audree: you were turning into a, it's

Michael: also complete

Audree: werewolf.

Michael: Sorry.

Yeah.

Right, right.

It's also the complete letting go.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Which is the, the theme of today.

So.

The whole, the whole thing is this
whole business of letting go of

surrender is actually hand in glove
with the concept of control, right?

We're letting go of control.

We're surrendering our control.

And what happens is, and this is true
at the level of the egoic consciousness

itself, that's separated from source.

It's true for your ego consciousness
of what you're experiencing,

your incarnation, your awareness,
your experience of reality or

your experience of appreciation.

Like everybody

Audree: must go through

Michael: this.

Everybody has this 'cause it's a
fractal, like what's going on for the

ego consciousness is going on for you
because you are the ego consciousness.

You're just experiencing a fractal of it.

And so, which is a tough one.

Okay, so if, if, just, just let it go.

Okay, so, so let's.

Let's look at what the structure
that goes on within our being is.

Let's talk about um, us, which is also
true for the egoic consciousness as well.

So what happens is there's,

or maybe I'll start with
the egoic consciousness.

So the egoic consciousness, if we look
at the structure of it, it formed, it

says, I'm gonna go create on my own.

And at that moment there was
this immediate separation.

There was an immediate lack.

There's an immediate survival of,
oh, I have to do this on my own.

And out of that came a struggle.

And outta that struggle, it's like,
oh, I need to control what's happening.

Right?

Or you could see the whole
separation as the desire to control.

It's all one in the same, it's
all the same energetic structures.

We're just viewing the same thing from
different dimensions, like the story

of the, the elephant, where people are
approaching, you know, blind men are

approaching the elephant from different
sides and experiencing it differently.

It's all just one.

One thing that ex that
we're talking about here.

And so, so in this,

in this desire for control, this struggle,
that's what we experience in our life.

And so what we can see is that

as we let go of that desire to
control, as we let go of that.

Struggle.

We open up to the supply to all
of creation that's actually there

for us as source consciousness.

And so this is the paradox of, and you
know, I'll tell this story now 'cause

this, I dunno if you've told this
one before, but it bears repeating.

You know, there's this story we heard
when we were at Oneness University

and I, I don't think they originated,
I think it's a, you know, age old

story of this person who's walking
along this mountainside path.

Off and they fall off and
they're hanging from this cliff.

They're hanging by a branch
and uh, they're saying, help.

Help.

Is anyone there help?

Help?

And no one's coming.

And they're getting tired.

They're getting tired, and
they're saying, help anyone there.

And there's no one there.

And they're getting more tired and
they know they can't last much longer.

And then they say, okay, God, I'm
ready to do whatever you tell me to do.

Just tell me what to do.

To save me and I'll do it.

This booming voice comes and says,

just let go.

And the person goes, oh, God's
answered my prayers just let go.

I'm not gonna do that.

They go Anybody else out there?

Anyone?

Anyone.

So, so it's not that we
don't have the instruction.

Just let go surrender.

It's not that we don't have the
instruction or we don't know what to do.

It's that every aspect of our
being is struggling for control.

That's almost all that we experience
as the constant stream that we

are experiencing through the
mind of the ego of consciousness.

Well, there's something happening.

I don't like it.

I want to control it.

Ah, I'm feeling a lack.

I want to control the, my life
circumstance to, to fill that lack.

It's control upon control,
upon control, upon control.

And when we start to see that,
that mechanism, just as we talked

about with the business, we start
to see that mechanism of control

does not achieve the objective.

We go, oh, control is not working.

I need a different paradigm.

This paradigm of control is impossible.

It fundamentally cannot give
me what I'm looking for.

And then even, even deeper, if you
look at like a, a painful experience

in your body or a painful emotional
experience, you're trying to control that.

You're trying to control
it and get rid of it.

So even there, you know, and we look
inside of what is actually there.

Inside of it is the first attempt
to control something was happening.

There was an attempt to control it,
maybe in early childhood trauma, if

you wanna think about it that way.

There's an attempt to control it.

It didn't work.

It became this, you know, stuck energy
within our body or in a previous life.

It stuck from that.

And then we re-experienced in this
life and we want to control it.

We wanna stop it, we
wanna make it go away.

And the only way to do that is to let
go and end the struggle, end the fight.

Audree: That's the first step in
AA is that you have to admit that

your life is unmanageable and you
have to surrender to a higher power.

That's the first step.

Michael: Guess they knew
what they were doing?

Audree: Well, they got, they did.

I mean, AA comes from Eastern
philosophy, so it's very interesting

'cause when, when in India.

They, they said that the egoic
consciousness was originally an aspect

of our being that defined things in our
external environment so we could be safe.

So, you know, fire hot.

Don't touch it.

Tiger Run.

Very, very sim simplified.

Ways simplified awareness or an aspect of
the consciousness that was aware enough

to keep the physical body safe now.

Yeah,

Michael: that's not true.

Audree: I know,

Michael: like I'm thinking of feeling
into it is like, oh, that's just

a made up story to try to explain
and rationalize what's happening.

Audree: Exactly.

Well all, all that eastern
philosophy was created within

the deviation, so there wasn't

Michael: I the seven rishis
who didn't work together.

Yeah.

As we talked about last episode.

Audree: Yeah.

And other, other mystics, you know,
saints and sages that would have

these, you know, contemplations and
then teach from their perspective and

their perspective was very limited.

Oh my gosh.

And, and then people made
assumptions that this is true.

Michael: Well, actually,
this is actually really good.

I think we had a briefing
from the she on this one.

She said, it's not that people
mystics were not awakened and aware.

Mm-hmm.

The problem that they ran into was
that they used previous tradition.

They didn't question
or investigate things.

Mm-hmm.

They just relied on previous
tradition that was handed down.

And so errors crept into the system.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Even if you did have someone
who was in a, in an awakened state,

Audree: or they, or they didn't have the
words or the ability to explain it to

the people that they were teaching or
talking to, because those people, their,

their consciousness was very primitive
and they couldn't understand the concept.

Mm-hmm.

So they made it as simple as possible.

Michael: Yeah.

So, so going back to my
experience this morning, um.

That involuntary movement was
the letting go of control.

Mm-hmm.

It was like, like complete letting go
of control and allowing the natural

intelligence of the physiology to
just let go of, of, of so much stuff.

Like, I don't even know
what it was letting go of.

It was just, so

Audree: the, the, and the other
thing that I wanna say is that

it's not just psychological people.

There is, it's

Michael: not just energetic.

Audree: There's an energetic
component that happens within your.

Being that also has to
purify and reorganize itself.

And then there's the physical body that is
subject to the laws of your energy body.

And your psychological
makeup or your consciousness.

So there's like all these
components that are being addressed.

Hmm.

And when I said, oh, everybody has to go
through it, and you go, yes, everybody

has an ego or something like that.

I, that's not what I was talking about.

I was talking about the
journey of consciousness and

the journey of evolution.

We're gonna get to Michael laughing in a
minute 'cause he's got a profound insight.

But, um,

we're describing a journey that
everybody's gonna have to go through.

Now.

Will it be the same journey that we're on?

No, because the people that go first.

Are doing all the work for
the people that go last.

And so, you know, there's
the prophecy of, of, uh,

what, what is that prophecy when
everybody just wakes up the, uh,

Michael: oh, here.

I, I know what you're talking about.

The, uh,

it's like the Christian thing
where everyone just wakes up.

Audree: It's not.

Oh my God.

Michael: It doesn't matter.

We'll just go

Audree: on.

It'll

Michael: come

Audree: later mind.

Totally blank.

Um, and I'm sure people that are
listening to this are screaming scream.

They're

Michael: screaming their heads.

Audree: It's cold.

Go.

I know, I hear them.

It's very faint though.

You gotta scream louder.

'cause I've had, I had it
in the temple, remember?

Oh my God.

My mind is just off today.

That's 'cause I have to go to
the dentist in like an hour.

Michael: You're resisting.

Audree: I'm resisting the dentist.

Michael: Well checking.

I'm searching.

Audree: Wow.

Michael: It really does
not know what this is.

I'm using Google search
with the AI support and it

just does not really get it.

Mm-hmm.

I'm going to switch back to
my favorite of using code.

Um,

Audree: that's so strange when
your mind goes totally blank.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Maybe we're not
supposed to be talking about

Michael: it.

Maybe not.

I don't, I mean, it is very
strange that we, neither of us

can remember the actual term.

Audree: I know.

Michael: Well, we'll give the a
second AI a chance, and if that's it,

then we'll just, just keep on going.

Audree: It's the,

Michael: yeah, I know.

Audree: Like even one of our

IT

Michael: students, it cannot get it.

Audree: One of our students has
it almost every time she sits

in front of us the same thing.

Wow.

That happens.

You know who I'm talking about?

Can't name names.

Michael: Yeah, I know.

Oh, well, it really, it, it just, uh, wow.

Maybe we change timelines
that doesn't exist here.

The rapture.

Audree: Yeah.

But that, yeah, it's a rapture when
you're whole, entire being, it's the

mo it's the strangest thing ever.

It happened to me once
in the temple in India.

Do you remember that?

I think I described it once, but it,
it's an experience where your whole

entire body goes into convulsions
and then there's this, oh, it

happened a couple times in India.

Um, of

Michael: course it did.

Audrey,

Audree: I'm just remembering when it
happened in, in Nemo at the temple there.

Um.

Where your whole body just goes into
convulsions and there's this really,

really profound, powerful energy that
kind of just comes over you, coming

through you, and it's so powerful.

There's, there's nothing
that you can do about it.

You kn and

Michael: the closest thing is kinda
like a seat full body seizure.

Audree: Oh yeah.

Yeah.

But

Michael: it's different.

Audree: And your head tilts back.

Yeah.

And you're just like, but the, and
then, and then the energy stops.

It's really weird.

And then you come out of it
and you're still kind of,

Michael: yeah.

This, what happened for me today was felt
very much, um, like a very, like a very,

I don't wanna say controlled release,
but a very structured, organized release.

Of

Audree: course.

Michael: Because we've
been working No, no.

We've been working toward, I'm,
we've been working towards this.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: And the, the sheer taken
us down a very evolutionary path

than what's happened previously.

Um, it is

Audree: the

Michael: understanding.

We have,

Audree: I've, I've had these experiences
and one was when I built these,

these sacred chambers, uh, the same
thing happened because what, what?

So your body is purifying to the
point where, um, the energy that's

coming through unblocks, everything.

And you're, it's like an, it's an
upgrade and it's a very specific

upgrade for very specific things.

Like for me, I was taking people
through these sacred chamber processes.

Very powerful.

Yeah, very powerful.

And, and so.

It was weird.

It almost felt like, you know, when you
see somebody turning into a werewolf,

uh, in a movie like your body did, your
body contort in weird ways, and it was

Michael: just

Audree: not controlled.

Michael: It was like one leg, leg
first, and then it was the whole

pel and then it was the other leg.

Mm-hmm.

And then, then it was my, kinda,
my whole body and then, and then

it was on my arms and then my head.

And then my whole torso was went last.

Mm-hmm.

Is what happened.

Audree: Me.

I will remind you that, remember
you had the same thing happen

when you were doing your PhD.

Michael: Yeah.

St.

Patrick's Day in 1994 or 93.

93 probably.

Yeah.

Audree: And saw

Michael: where my arms
started moving on its own.

And I thought, oh my God,
what's happening here?

And then I got diagnosed with a.

Uh, a focal seizure and put on
anti, on anti-seizure medication.

Mm-hmm.

Then antidepressants.

It was a complete mess.

Audree: And it wasn't until you met me
and I made you describe what happened

Michael: that you said, oh, that
was an awakening event because you

were learning about how the brain
functions and how hallucination is a

controlled, sorry, vision is a controlled
hallucination, and that reality is

not what we think it is, and you're
like, ha, that makes so much sense.

Audree: Right.

And so I what?

When you were describing the ego
at consciousness and fighting for

control, I kept thinking, oh, reactive
deliberation, your published paper

and AI research, robotics, it was

Michael: about different aspects
that want different things.

Audree: Different aspects of the

Michael: negotiating
control within the being.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Different
aspects of consciousness.

So again.

In India when they're teaching us about
consciousness and the ego, they're

like, have you ever noticed that?

You have all these
different personalities?

You, you're one way with your partner,
you're another way with your kids.

You're another personality at work.

Yeah,

Michael: I, I think it's even more
fascinating in one situation, your

multiple personalities, you, one, one
part of you says, oh, I should go do this.

No, I should go do that.

No, I should do this.

And there's this inner conflict that
is the kind of the nature of the

e the dv of the ego consciousness.

Yeah, that's, that's the
more interesting part.

It's 'cause there's one, it's not
different context, it's one context.

With different aspects.

And you know, in, in, I don't know if
people still know this, but like in,

when I was a kid, I'd see these cartoons,
maybe they were Looney Tunes or I don't

know what they were, but where, you know,
I know his Porky pig would be there and

he'd just imagine like a, like an little
angel on one side of him, whispering.

Oh, do this thing.

Do the right thing, do good.

And then the devil be whispering in their
ear, no, do this, this, don't do that.

Do this for yourself.

And I'm like, it's kind of like that,
except it's not like it's good or bad or

you know, some, or there's, you know, it's
actually just all of it's the deviation.

All of it's separation, all of it's
fighting for control and survival

is one part of you saying, do this.

I want to control this way.

Another part saying, no,
no, I want to control this.

Audree: It's the ice cream
story all over again.

Oh my gosh.

Michael: And even everybody that you
interact with, you're trying to control,

I mean, think about how much energy you
spend controlling how people perceive you.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Trying to control how people
perceive you and how it doesn't even work.

Control

Audree: or you interrupt people
during while they're talking to try

to connect with them or to try to
give your opinion or your insight or

your story all in the vein of, oh, I'm
just having a conversation with people

like, so we teach laser listening in
our leadership training, and we get

that one in the debrief all the time.

People wanna interrupt or they wanna
add their opinion or they, you know,

the mind goes, oh, that happened.

Me too, me too.

Michael: Oh, I didn't share the,
one of the biggest epiphanies,

Audree: what,

Michael: in our, our leadership
training, we teach leaders redless green

list, and we talk about how control
doesn't work and how when we use like

the, the green list of co-creating.

And listening and allowing things
to emerge in a way that supports

psychological safety, how that works.

And they go, well, how can I
get anything if I don't control?

Audree: Right.

How can I get anything done if I, yeah.

Michael: Yeah, go ahead.

So that's, so the epiphany
was, oh, wait a minute.

We're just seeing in our
level one leadership training.

The egoic consciousness
rearing its head mm-hmm.

Of how can I get anything
done if I don't control?

And that's what everyone listening
to this is, well, how can I have

an amazing life if I don't control?

And what we say in our level one,
and this is what we invite with our

students of our level one on the, the
B evolutionary side, is we're not.

Asking you to try to
change what you're doing.

We're just asking you to be
aware of what your choices are

and what the consequences are.

Become aware of what your choices
are and what's leading to a positive

outcome and what your choices are and
what's leading to a negative outcome.

And just start to be aware.

And when you're aware and you observe
the cause and effect around you

very directly, you will immediately
start to change your behavior.

'cause you will know what works.

And it's not about giving up control.

'cause you should give up control.

You know?

'cause we're telling
you to give up control.

We're not telling you to do that.

We're telling you to use your
own direct awareness and open

up to what's really happening.

Open your eyes.

Audree: Well, awareness is the
primary mechanism for evolution,

Michael: which is why we say that.

Audree: And there's a reason for it.

Because awareness is actually a
technology to shift consciousness.

That's why

Michael: Well, I, it's a joke.

Audree: It's my favorite thing to say is
like, that's why mindfulness, all these

people are like awareness, awareness, but
they don't actually say, why do you need

Michael: awareness?

Well, well, the other joke is that,
you know, consciousness is awareness.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: And it's awareness
that you're not just one thing.

It's awareness of the.

Complexity.

I, I was thinking about this.

This is so

Audree: we're multidimensional, we
have so many aspects of our being.

We have no flipping idea what we are.

Michael: Well, this is, this
is what I, what I was thinking

about as well, which came to me.

I wasn't gonna think
about, it just came to me.

That's kind of how, you
know, it's a message.

But what came to me is, you know,
this whole journey of awakening to the

truth of what and who we are as source
consciousness as the creator consciousness

incarnated the material plane.

Is so absolutely from a, from a
deviated, you know, Western cultural

perspective is so absolutely ridiculous.

Absolutely preposterous that
the only thing it has going

for it is that it's true.

I mean, you gotta think about it.

Why has this idea persisted
for thousands of years?

Audree: Right,

Michael: right.

I mean this, why have this ridiculous
idea persisted for thousands of years?

Why have entire religions, every
religion was built on this idea?

Audree: Yes.

Michael: And then, you know, things
kinda went sideways from there.

But why is all of essentially the roots
of our society built on this idea?

Because it's true.

And this is the struggle is we're
struggling with this perception of I need

to control and this deeper really reality
say, well, these two don't fit together

and they don't, they fundamentally don't.

'cause creating from an absence
of love and control is very

different from being in flow.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And co-creation in supply.

Audree: It's counterintuitive.

Like, that's why people didn't get
our, our leadership training course

because it was underneath, it was
based on the, the mechanics of creation

in these concepts of consciousness.

And they're like, I don't understand
how, how am I going to get any work done?

How am I gonna lead my team
or control my people if I.

Can't control them.

You know, how, how, how are we gonna
deliver on these projects and we have

a due date and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.

And, and it's so, it's
super counterintuitive yet.

Michael: Well, that's why

Audree: it's also immediate,

Michael: right?

Well, that's why we changed the
whole first level course from

a very, very advanced course to
a very, very advanced course.

But that was very practical.

So it's like, okay, well what do I do?

Audree: Yeah,

Michael: and it's like, and I, what

Audree: do I do tomorrow?

Michael: Right?

And what I realized is we can't
just give people the information,

expect them to figure it out, right?

Which is kind of my big gap.

It's like, oh, I think
it's obvious and so on.

But what happened is when it
turned very practical, okay, well

turn right in this situation.

Turn right in this situation,
turn left in this situation, use

the brake in this s use the gas.

And we give people very
specific things that they go,

oh, I just do this one thing.

I just do this other thing.

And then it works.

Audree: Right.

Michael: These little micro experiments
to prove it out for themselves.

Audree: Right, because, and get results.

Once you have had the concepts in
the in, in the application of the

techniques, once you could validate it
for yourself, then you can actually,

I don't want to use the word believe,
but I don't, I don't understand.

I don't have any other.

You know, you understand that these
concepts, the knowledge and the tools

and techniques are truth, and they're in
alignment with shifting your reality that,

um, what we say is, don't believe us.

You need to, you run your own
experiment and try it for yourself,

because then you're gonna have
the validation that this is true.

Then you'll use the techniques more.

I have to sneeze.

Michael: Good meeting.

I did it.

Yeah, you did it.

Audree: Oh, I sneezed on the truth.

Michael: See people, I've
got the recording device.

This road Pod procast po, I dunno
whatever it's called, but it has a

little thing, a little display on the,

Audree: these are the best microphones.

It's better than sitting.

Michael: It tells me whether this

Audree: mute or not sitting in a studio.

That's why we, like, I always
thought we were gonna do a

podcast sitting in the studio.

Yeah.

And we'd have it video
recorded, da da da da.

And then.

That didn't work.

And then we are, we are always
sitting in the living room having

con having these conversations.

And we started doing the
channeling using these microphones.

So they just So we

Michael: had them.

Audree: Yeah, we had them.

And they work beautifully.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Like who needs
this big, huge studio?

Just ridiculous.

And we're gonna be on the move soon.

Michael: Soon

Audree: you guys.

That's gonna be so exciting.

'cause we're gonna be on
the road doing the podcast.

From different parts of the world.

Michael: Who knows where?

Audree: Bhutan, uk,
France, who knows Germany.

Your dad's living room will be sitting
in the same chairs in your dad's sunroom

that you, your dad and your mom sat in
all, every single day for all those years.

I love sitting in that room, by
the way, even though it's tiny.

I like the,

Michael: they're good windows.

Audree: I like the wallpaper.

I just like it because it's, I sit in
your mom's chair and you sit in your dad's

chair and I don't know, there's something
just nostalgic about the whole thing.

Mm.

I could feel your mom.

Hmm.

I am excited to leave and I love
this house, but I'm ready to go

and just FYI, the sale didn't go through.

We were all ready to go.

They weren't the right people.

We keep getting these developers that
wanna come in and take this house and

Michael: do all sorts of things,

Audree: tear it apart, build on the,
build on the property, other houses.

Ugh.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: I think, um.

When I say that, the first
thing that comes up for me is

that we're moving dimensions.

So the third dimension is very, very
physical, where it's very hard to manifest

and you have to push through things.

I think that's where this,
it was just very hard to, to

manifest in the third dimensional
reality because it's, it's that.

It's very dense and energetically a very
dense, slower vibrational frequency.

When we moved into the fourth
dimension, your thoughts move

energy and they create your reality.

And the fourth dimension, of course,
is a higher vibrational frequency, so

it's easier to manifest to, it's easier
for thoughts to create reality and.

What you have to understand is if your
thoughts are creating a reality, if

this is true, what if it were true?

What are the, what is the
quality of your thoughts?

And that's where we're getting
towards the ego of consciousness.

That the ego of consciousness is
continuously in conflict with its

own self, and it's continuously
creating a distorted reality.

A reality based on pain and suffering?

Michael: Well, I think this is one
place where I feel like we're struggling

with the past and convention because
technically the thoughts creating the

reality is not, not fully accurate, right?

I'm a stickler for accuracy here, and
so it's actually the energetic frequency

and the energetic kind of payload.

That's connected with the, the thought.

Mm-hmm.

That is creating the reality.

So the thought is just our experience of
it, but we experience the thought in other

ways energetically within our physiology.

And it's actually that, that
vibrational structure that's creating

the, that's what I understand.

Audree: Oh my God.

The thoughts are the metric.

Of what vibration you're, you're,

Michael: they're the surface.

Audree: Yeah.

So it's the metric of what your,
your whole entire makeup of your

being, what vibration it's at.

Michael: Yeah.

So it's, it's like the
output of the system.

It's not the thing that's creating it,
it's just the, the relay mechanism.

But it's not the thing
sending the message,

Audree: you know, I, I can
honestly say we don't know.

Because I'll go back to the whole
thing with, with my son, when he was

paralyzed and connecting to that,
the aspect of consciousness that is

the ego, the ego of consciousness,
that aspect of our consciousness.

It is a cog in the machine.

It's a cog in the wheel,
the ego of consciousness.

Mm-hmm.

And I spoke to it and I said, you know.

You cannot create this.

If I'm creating my reality
and you are part of me, I, I

am not doing this to my son.

And then it went, oh, you finally noticed
that I'm the one creating reality.

It spoke back to me.

It was a very odd situation,

and I said yes.

And then I had, I could feel the power.

Within my being to create my reality.

And it was so profound and
powerful that I was in awe.

And there was just so
much awe and gratitude.

I couldn't, I can't
explain it any other way.

And then the next day, he
wasn't paralyzed anymore.

You know, I mean, it wasn't like all
of a sudden he can walk, but it was

all of a sudden he can move after
two months of not being able to move.

Michael: Right.

So would you say there was a
thought there or not a thought?

Audree: There was a thought.

Michael: What was the thought?

Audree: The thought was, I'm not creating
a reality where my son is paralyzed.

And it was like a, and it was so.

What was happening was I was
overwhelmed by the situation

and there was a possibility of,

Michael: it feels like when I feel

it,

Audree: him going backwards.

Michael: Yeah.

What would've, when I feel into
that, like right now, Uhhuh, just

feeling that situation you're in.

Um, I guess I can do that.

Just go back and kind of feel into it.

But anyway, that's kinda weird, but
um, it feels like there's this spark.

There was a spark and that, that,
that sentence you're saying is

the expression of that spark.

But there, but there's something like,

Audree: well, I'll, I'll describe what,

Michael: I don't know.

What was going on inside your view.

I'll

Audree: describe What happened was I
realized that there was no God to pray to.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And I was at a loss.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And the only thing that
I could do was turn inward.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And I did.

I turned inward.

So there were many thoughts
happening in that moment.

So was there a spark?

I don't know.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: I don't, I, I
really, I don't know.

There was a, there was, the only
thing that I could do was turn inward.

Michael: Oh, I know what it is.

Audree: And, and, and
actually live our teaching.

What is, what if it were true
that we are creating a reality?

I had nowhere else to go.

Michael: You know what it is?

Audree: Hmm?

Michael: It's the
frequency of the thought.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Do, does this make sense to you?

Audree: Okay.

I want,

Michael: this is what
I'm trying to express.

Audree: So here's the thing.

One of the thoughts that I
had was, don't do it to him.

Do it to me like witch.

Oh, I'm gonna cry.

Literally, I was like, I'm not doing this.

I saw the impact and the
consequence and I said, do it to me.

Now that's negotiation.

But there was also something very,
there's something pure, very pure.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: In that I don't,
I don't even know, I

Michael: don't, I don't fully understand

Audree: it either.

You guys, I, I wish, you know, we've,
Michael and I have discussed this

moment so many times because there is
a key message here and at this, and.

I have healed people instantaneously,
many, many times, including my son again,

where I actually had an experience when
he was three years old and he broke

his nose and the nose went flat and my
sister and I actually saw the bones move.

And in that moment there
was no, oh God, help me.

There was no anything.

Uh, it was more of a thought of.

I don't have time right now to go to
the er, so I, I'm just, that's how

Michael: it always is with you.

Audree: I know, but there's other moments
where, where, you know, I, I, somebody,

you know, healed from, from cancer, not,
and not, not the o the the big case study

that I have, but it was the smaller case
study where the woman had brain cancer.

I don't, I, and even in that moment,
I, it was just a purity of, I

can't even tell you what happened.

Well, so this is the thing that,
this is what I'm trying to say

is, is to our audience here, is
that it's still a mystery to us.

Like we haven't figured it all out.

All we can say is it is true.

We are creating a reality.

We actually have physical, physical proof

through our own experience, through
the experiences of our students.

Yet it's still a mystery and
I think it's, I think it's.

Maybe it's supposed to be that way.

Michael: Yeah.

So just, I just want to just,
we're in a strong agreement.

I just wanna clarify those points.

So, 'cause there's a, there's a trap here.

'cause people think, oh, if I
think this, it will become true.

It'll become my reality.

And the the thing is

Audree: it's not

thinking.

Michael: Yeah, it's not, it's not,
it's not, it think this thought.

Mm-hmm.

It creates it.

It's when there's a high frequency
impulse that we experience as a thought.

That high frequent impulse, or if
you look at instantaneous healing,

going back to Joel Goldsmith, it's
you just go into source, right?

That knowledge of, oh,
I am source conscious.

They are source conscious.

There is only source consciousness.

That's what, that's what creates
the instantaneous healing.

So

Audree: it's, but it's not a thought.

You're right.

Michael: Yeah.

Let, so, so what I'm saying is like, I

Audree: get it.

I get it.

Michael: That, that, for me,
that that while there is, we

experience an expression of thought.

Of the impulse of the intention.

That's a translation of a super complex
energetic structure that we can't even

fully define and don't fully understand.

However, we know experientially it exists.

Mm-hmm.

And is independent of the
thought and the thought is just

it in the minds interpretation,
understanding of that express.

Audree: Well, it also re Yeah,

Michael: right.

'cause

Audree: it also reminds me of the drawing
that I made in our class of subconscious

conscious and higher consciousness.

And how in between each level
of consciousness there's this

knotted up or, or energetic,
crystalline, energetic structure.

That is that, that you need to
break through that, and the only

way to break through that is
that high vibrational frequency.

So yes, frequency, and I mean you can,
there's so many other teachings there

that talk about frequency, that you
need a higher vibrational frequency.

That's why sitting in front of a guru.

Is the thing that that shift
your consciousness because he's

vibrating at a high frequency, it's
transmitting something different.

That's why you had the experience in
the shower this morning because your

whole entire physiology is reorganizing
itself to, um, to an upgrade.

So you can harness that
high vibrational frequency.

Michael: Right.

'cause I'm an intentional
evolution program.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: And there was a
disturbance in my field and I said,

okay, I'm, I'm not doing this.

I dunno what needs to happen, but like,
this is gonna, this has gotta shift

Audree: right through
choice and intention.

Mm-hmm.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: So it's not really thought,
it's choice and intention and

high vibrational frequency and

Michael: what would make that a working
title doesn't need to be defined.

It's only the mind trying
to define it anyway.

Audree: I know.

Michael: And it's helpful at the same time
as we go on this journey to orient the

mind so that we can engage the mind to
go on the journey to dissolve the mind.

' Audree: cause it is the
egoic consciousness.

It's the very thing that's trans

Michael: muting,

Audree: transforming.

Yeah.

It's transforming into it's original
intention as creator consciousness.

It's an aspect.

Of our consciousness
that is responsible for

Michael: creating reality.

Audree: Creating reality,

Michael: creating life experience.

Yeah.

Audree: We're, we are a vast, complex

mechanism that we cannot, I don't
and we can never fully understand.

Michael: Well, you know, I think,

Audree: and if we had it all
figured out, folks, we would be.

Winning the lottery or something.

So it's, you know, we don't, we're not
saying that we have it all figured out.

We're not saying that
we're enlightened beings.

We're not, we're not, we're
not all the way there yet.

So, um, we're just on the
journey, like everybody else

Michael: work in process.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

We haven't.

We haven't POed into light
to walk through walls yet.

Michael: Yeah, that's the test.

Audree: That's the test.

Sorry.

I'm just like all those other guie
people out there, they have not

poofed into a ball of light and
walk through a wall, so, so there

ha.

That's just my ego saying,

Hmm, your eyes are sparkling,

Michael: incomplete.

Audree: Very good.

I think my final thought here,

because of my own experiences
with this, like I've fallen and.

You know, broken bones and sat and laid in
my bed for eight hours and healed myself.

I know in my heart of hearts that
whatever we are going through,

listeners are going through.

It can change instantaneously.

And even Benino says this in, in his
book and he says it a lot is, you

know, don't, don't get caught up in the
circumstances that are in front of you

because it can change instantaneously.

Hold

that thought or perception.

It can change.

You can receive a phone call, an
email, somebody can come to the door.

Um, something can can change for
the better, for the positive.

Michael: How do you translate
that to our teaching?

Audree: I don't know.

Michael: Yes, you do.

Audree: What if it works?

Michael: Do we tell people to, you
know, what do we tell people to do?

Be very practical as guidance.

We say, look, there's no point thinking.

No, like, 'cause here's the deal, like
if you want outcome A and your fear

is outcome B, the the trap is to focus
on, oh, I just want a, I'm just gonna

think about A, which doesn't work.

It backfires.

And the research is there.

What we say is, well focus on B,
focus on the thing you don't want.

Focus on your fear and clear it.

'cause the fear is what's actually
the more powerful, energetic structure

that's gonna create the fear outcome.

Right.

Well, that's what, that's
what our teaching is.

So what you said was incomplete.

While it's true, that's not the complete
teaching, that's why I'm saying it's

Audree: because I'm not trying
to teach anybody anything.

I,

Michael: I understand.

I just, I'm

Audree: just trying to give them hope.

That's what I'm trying to do.

To say you don't, you're never stuck.

In the outside circumstance.

Michael: That's true.

Audree: That is causing you
pain and suffering because

Michael: it's your internal
circumstance that's actually creating

it, not your external circumstance.

Audree: Yeah.

I'm not trying to teach
anybody what to do.

I'm just trying to give them hope to say.

You know, 'cause here's the
thing, we can't teach anybody

anything on this podcast.

Michael: No.

All we can do is awaken.

That's

Audree: not what

Michael: the Awaken Inspire.

Audree: Yeah.

Inspire.

Like, this podcast is not a one and done.

You can't just listen to this podcast
and, and make your life better.

I mean, you can,

Michael: I, I think

Audree: for, and at the same time
that there's, there's more to it.

So, um,

Michael: I think for me, the,
the places that the whole world.

Is populated with truth, truth,
truth, misperception or truth.

Truth, truth.

Mm-hmm.

Ambi ambiguity, which people fill in with
random stuff, which is, which is worse

than, you know, like a misperception.

So what I want to, what's my bar,
what's essential for me is, is

really being a stickler to make sure
we're, when we're saying something,

that we're giving the context so
that we're not gonna have anybody.

Uh, it ma it makes it, there's a
safety mechanism so people don't

misunderstand what we're saying or
think we're saying the same thing

as what other people are saying.

I mean, if we are, we, we, we say that
and we honor that tradition and so on.

Mm-hmm.

But what I'm saying is like,
that's the incomplete message.

Like there's, there's more
to the story that's needed

to, to, to be safe out there.

Audree: Very good.

So what do you wanna say?

Michael: So the message of hope is your
external circumstances are created by

your internal circumstances, and you
are the only person controlling that.

No one else is.

Audree: Nobody else is.

So that's the hope.

Nobody can do it.

So we can't do it for you.

We can.

I mean, we're giving knowledge tools.

You can

Michael: play the audio.

That'll help.

Audree: That'll help.

Michael: Transformational audio go.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Boom.

Make it easy button.

Audree: And it's not the whole thing.

Michael: Well, that's the start.

Audree: That's the starter kit

Michael: and the support.

Audree: Yeah.

What do you say?

Be safe out there.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: I really, um, I really
honor and appreciate your integrity.

Like, it, it's just, it, it's beautiful.

It inspires me all the time.

Michael: Well, what happens is,
and this is, we talked about this

previous podcast, is Audrey holds
the, the energetic direction and

her energetic direction was of hope.

And possibility, which
I'm fully supportive of.

And then I was just saying, well,
yes, that and the structure is.

We, we want to understand that
in the, this, the structure so

that it's, it's held correctly.

Audree: Well, I know that we're
limited by, uh, you know, people

listening to a podcast and maybe
they're driving or they're, you know,

on the, on the treadmill or they're
running or something like that.

I, I, you know, it's like I, you know,
people are just listening to a podcast.

They're not our, our clients or
our students or anything like that.

So,

Michael: yeah, I, I, yeah.

Yeah.

Audree: And it, you know.

It.

The podcast was never meant to
be a marketing technique or a

sales technique for our work.

And so that's where the, I just wanna
give people hope and to under, so

that they, and so that they understand
the journey of what it takes.

But I'm not here to say, you know,

Michael: what

Audree: to,

Michael: what to do.

Yeah.

It is not about the step by step.

This is just about talking
about aspects of the journey.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Yeah,

Audree: exactly.

All

Michael: right.

Are you ready to go to the mantra?

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Alright, so we'll begin a
three minute E two mantra transmission.

Now just tune in the frequency.

Audree: Okay.

Hmm.

Michael: Thank you for joining us today.

Let's be evolutionary.