B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Audree: Okay.

Have you ever noticed
the dialogue in your head

and sometimes,

well, first of all, noticing
the dialogue in your head.

Like what is it actually saying

and the quality of the thoughts,

you know, is it saying, oh,
you know, let's do this thing.

You should put the furniture over here.

You should put, I'm just
saying what's in my head,

you know?

And at the same time, when you're
supposed to be focusing on something

else, like a lot of times people
have a hard time meditating

because the mind doesn't shut off.

So they're just like, I can't sit still
my mom, and, and why can't you sit still

Michael: and they think there's
something wrong with them.

Audree: Right, right.

Oh, I can't meditate.

So like for Westerners, a
lot of times I recommend not

sitting still and meditating.

I say go for a run or go do an exercise,
or we say go sailing or go out into

the wilderness, like, or, you know,
go for a walk in nature or something

like that because it's really, really
hard for the Western mind to slow down.

And really like getting your
thoughts to stop thinking.

I said this the other day,
it's like, it's impossible.

So it's like finding another
practice to get you out of your head.

Why is that?

It's like we're deeply
conditioned to be distracted.

And so if you just spend a moment
noticing the thoughts in your head,

like sometimes I know this is
gonna sound weird and crazy making,

um, but it's part of the makeup of
who I am, is that I'll hear thoughts

like when I go to a different country,
I hear thoughts in another language.

My daughter has the same thing.

She can hear thoughts like even my
awakening in India, when I had my

this explosion of awakening moment,
I saw thoughts as words and white

light and they were floating in the
ceiling, hitting like, almost like

hitting the ceiling, but not really.

And then I saw them floating
into people's heads.

And there's this saying in Eastern
philosophy, your body's not your body.

Your thoughts are not your thoughts.

It's so true.

Like thoughts float in the ether.

That's why a scientist can
have a theory or an inventor.

You know, I think there's this
a thing about electricity.

Like it was who

Michael: invented it?

Right?

Audree: Who invented it?

'cause.

There was somebody, I think, in France
and at the same time in the United States

having the same thoughts at the same
time, working on the same invention.

And this happens over
and over and over again.

So what is that phenomenon?

You know?

And it's like if you don't grab a
thought or, or an idea some, how does

somebody else have the same idea?

Even in that book, think And Girl Rich,
they, they speak about this phenomenon.

So it's been a known phenomenon
since the 18 hundreds, at least

where people started noticing it.

It probably goes before.

Before that, I don't know.

But what I'm getting at.

Is that when you begin to awaken,
awakening awareness, it's the same

word, and you start to notice your
thoughts, then you start to notice

the quality of your thoughts.

Are they positive or are they negative?

And then we talk about, can
you shut off those thoughts?

And so the weird thing that I was gonna
say was that, you know, sometimes I'll

have a thought and I'm just like, this so
random and it's in a man's voice and it

has nothing to do with my life whatsoever.

I think that's when I started to
notice that my thoughts are really

not my thoughts because I was, you
know, or we, when we were traveling.

I would hear thoughts
in a different language.

You know, I remember when my daughter was
little, she's like, mom, I can't sleep.

And I was like, what's going on?

And she's just like, 'cause it's so noisy.

And I go, what do you mean?

Like, it's quiet, you
know, it's nighttime.

And she's just like, I'm,
I'm hearing people talking.

And it wasn't like she was con,
you know, I was in the room.

I was like, now, and she's like, yeah.

And then we actually took
her to a neuroscientist,

the school that she, she was at a
private school, so they were very

like, you know, it's interesting.

Schools in the United
States get paid per child.

If a child has a learning disability.

So that school was very big on,
everybody had a DHD, they had a special

department, you know, and gave kids
special things if they had a DHD.

So, you know, the, the school
recommended, 'cause she was, you

know, not slow, but she was, you
know, distracted in the classroom.

And so they said, well take her to a
neuroscientist and let's see if we could

get her diagnosed, you know, having,
you know, so she can get special, you

know, special, um, special attention
from the, the department within the

school for learning disabilities.

So we took her to a neuroscientist
and the neuroscientist gave her this

battery attest over, you know, she
was in third grade over two days.

And they said, well, this is very
interesting about your daughter,

is that she has the capacity

to be aware of emotions of other people

at the level of an adult.

A,

she has this ability to understand and
to feel the emotions of other people and

identify the emotions of other people.

And,

and at the same time, she's so
young and immature, she, she doesn't

know how to process those emotions.

So when the teacher walks in
the room, she can identify what

is going on with the teacher.

You know, what, what?

She can actually feel
the teacher's emotions.

This is actually how
they described it to me.

She could feel the teacher's emotions
and understand or not understand, but

she can, she can't process what she's
experiencing from the other person because

she doesn't have that level of maturity
to understand that people are happy or sad

or, uh, depressed or angry or frustrated.

She doesn't know how to process that.

Also, they said that the reason why she
has a hard time focusing in the classroom

is because she's experiencing, and this
is what they said, she can experience

the, she's getting distracted because
she can hear thoughts of other people.

Mm-hmm.

They described this as a phenomenon
that they didn't necessarily understand.

But that they were able to pull the
information from her to, to at least

acknowledge what was going on with her.

That she was being distracted by
all the other kids in the room

because there was so much going on.

She could feel their feelings.

She understood, not understood,
but she knew, she could feel that

they were angry or sad or nervous
or, and that was distracting her.

Plus she can hear things
that wasn't necessarily like,

they, they didn't understand.

They're like, this is a phenomenon
that we don't really know about.

But they, the, the neuroscientist was
able to identify and explain to us.

I think she even wrote it in the
report, but she said it was a phenomenon

that they didn't quite understand.

But that it was distracting our
daughter in the classroom and

that's why she couldn't focus.

Now my daughter, I've known from the
time she was very little is, she's

super psychic, like super psychic.

And, um, I always encouraged it,
but it was something that led

her to being distracted in the
classroom because she didn't really,

nobody was like speaking to this.

And so they're like, well, you
know, we don't wanna, she doesn't

have a DHD, she doesn't have a DD
Um, we could put her, she's close.

We're gonna put her on a spectrum so she
can get the, she can get the services

at school, which are really good 'cause
they gave her executive functioning, um.

Uh, special attention at school.

So we, we allowed that, but she
didn't get, like, we could have had

her, you know, they're like, well,
we could diagnose her with a DHD,

um, and then she'll get extra time
to take tests and things like that.

But we didn't feel that
that was necessary.

It would, we felt like it would give her
stigma and identity and not be helpful for

her, for the, for the rest of her life.

So we just put her on the spectrum
where she had signs of A DHD so

she can get the services at school.

But we're talking about what are
the quality of your thoughts when

you really stop to listen to them.

Michael: You wanna just tie in?

Audree: No, you can do the

Michael: story of your daughter for you.

Audree: You can tie it in.

I think we're just talking about
are your thoughts, your thoughts.

Where are thoughts coming from
and what's directing the thoughts?

Michael: Right.

So,

Audree: and thoughts move energy.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Which is the ego at consciousness.

Michael: Right.

So, you know, we're in the situation,

Audree: oh, we're in the situation room.

Michael: Well, you know, everybody in
the planet is in this situation where

there are these thoughts in their head.

We think the thoughts are our own
thoughts, and yet there's this, you know,

it's almost like this enormous wall of
evidence that there's something really

wrong happening with the thought process.

Let's just call it the thought process.

You know, everyone has the
experience of the mind says, Hey.

Do this thing.

It's such a good idea,

Audree: right?

Oh, the eating the ice cream.

Michael: Yeah.

Do you wanna tell your ice cream story?

Audree: No, go ahead.

You could tell it.

Michael: Well, this is
Audrey's ice cream story.

It's just an illustration.

I mean, your mind does this to you,
you know, you know, you count how many

times a day, dozens of times a day.

It's like, Hey, you
should go do this thing.

In this case, Hey, you
should go eat this ice cream.

It's really delicious.

You're gonna enjoy it so much.

It's gonna taste so good.

Yes.

I You go like, I, I want this ice cream.

Oh, I am enjoying this ice cream.

Oh, this is so good.

I'm taking such good care of
myself by eating this ice cream.

I am so yum.

Smart.

Audree: Yummy.

Yummy.

Michael: I am doing such
a good job living my life.

This is amazing.

Audree: Self care.

Michael: Yes.

Audree: I'm gonna treat myself.

Michael: Yes.

Audree: You might be sad on your,
on your free day of your diet.

Michael: And then you've
eaten the ice cream.

The ice cream eating event is over.

And then the same mind that told
you to eat the ice cream says, why

did you eat all that ice cream?

Do you know how many
calories were in that?

Do you know how that sugar's
going to impact your health?

What were you thinking?

How would you,

Audree: the dairy forms
mucus in your system,

Michael: all that dairy, like

Audree: it's toxic.

Michael: Like, you know, you're
not supposed to consume cow

products, you're not a baby cow.

It's a different genetic organism.

Your body can't really tolerate it.

And then all the sugar, and all the
sugar and all the fat, like what do

you think you're doing to your body?

You just attacked your own physiology.

So, so then the, the stream of
negative self-talk, the guilt, the

remorse, the regret, it activates
these intense experiences in your body.

Now, let's just check which voice is you?

The voice that says I should go
eat this ice cream, or the vo voice

that's saying, you know, I'm unworthy.

I, I've done this thing to myself, right?

And you beat yourself up
for beating yourself up.

So the question is, if it's
you, why can't you stop it?

Why can't you stop yourself
from beating yourself up?

And you're like, huh, let me try.

And the, you can try if you want,
but the research shows the more you

try to stop beating yourself up, the
more you're gonna beat yourself up.

It doesn't work that way.

The, the, the research shows you
are helpless, powerless, totally

incapable of controlling your thoughts.

But here's the deal, like, it's
like, well, what am I supposed

to do with this information now?

This, this incredible pile of evidence.

When I look back at my whole life
and I see all these poor life choices

where my mind said, go do this thing.

I went and did this thing
and it turned out badly.

Mm-hmm.

And then as I like this from raw Rah
says this, and as soon as it's over, as

soon as the thing didn't work out, it
says, well, hey, that didn't work out.

Let's go try this other thing.

And you start the whole cycle again.

There's a beautiful movie that
we learned about through, uh, one

who wakes, uh, called Revolver.

Revolver.

Audree: Oh.

Oh.

We used to show a clip of that movie.

Remember how terrified our
Academy students Oh, wow.

Michael: So, so, so up.

So the, the movie shows the workings
of the egoic consciousness better.

Than any other movie.

Only you

Audree: watch it over and over.

Michael: I've watched it like

Audree: it's too violent for me.

Michael: Like a dozen times.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

And it, it's, and and essentially they
actually map out the whole strategy.

The strategy, the egoic consciousness
is this, the egoic consciousness

lets you think you are in control.

Here's the trick, because you think you're
in control, because you think it's so

preposterous that you can't be in control.

That's how you're controlled.

Because you don't believe
you're actually controlled even

though the evidence is there.

But once you start to say, oh, the
ego conscious is controlling me, it's

controlling me through these thoughts
and emotions, and you start to just,

uh, way be aware and observe it.

I say just, I mean this is the whole,
I mean, this is a very advanced.

Aspect of understanding, conscious.

We're talking

Audree: about, you know, it's so funny.

Everybody's like, oh, my
parents are controlling me.

They're oppressing me.

Society cul, my culture is oppressing me.

The government is oppressing me.

All these people, all these things.

Life, you know, they're telling
me to go to school, get married,

have a family, get a job.

Like all these people out,
like everything's out there,

Michael: everything's
trying to control me.

Audree: Everything's, they're trying

Michael: to sell me

Audree: something.

My partner's trying to control me.

Michael: You can go on and on.

Audree: It's not out there.

Michael: My parents are
trying to control me.

Yeah.

So, yeah, so, so this
is really fascinating.

So what happened, and this is the
revelation I had, is a few podcasts ago,

we were talking about organizations.

How organizations have controls and
they put controls on their controls

and they try to put more controls
on controls to create more control,

but none of it actually works.

And so the revelation I
had was, wait a second.

That's what the ego consciousness is.

It's a control on a control
on a control, on a control.

It's attempting to regulate
the functioning of us, of

human beings through control.

With more control, through more control.

And what do you want to do?

You want to control your life.

Bingo.

That is the grip of the egoic
consciousness on you right now that you.

The you, the you, the egoic you.

That's pretending it's you
wants to control your life.

You want to be in control, you

Audree: wanna stop self, you
wanna stop sabotaging yourself.

You wanna be successful?

Michael: No, no, no, no.

We're gonna go very simple.

Audree: Oh,

Michael: okay.

Look at your house.

Look at your life.

You want be in control.

If there are things that are not in
place, you know, do you know what OCD is?

Obsessive compulsive disorder.

Everyone has this to some extent.

You want everything to
be in their proper place.

You want things to look beautiful, you

Audree: want, or they have the O very
opposite, or they want everything messy.

They want everything out on
their counter because they

wanna be able to see it, right?

And if it's not, they
wanna be able to grab it.

If that's about control,

Michael: and if it is not,
it's gonna drive you crazy.

Think about the things that drive
you crazy when someone does some

little thing and it drives you crazy.

Think about this.

Think about this.

There's an aspect of your
being that's driving you crazy.

Like how out of control is your life?

You already know your
life is out of control.

When you look at the data and yet
you have this drive to be in control.

Do you see how ridiculous
the whole thing, there's no

possibility of it being control.

You're living in a complex universe
where there's a codependence on

all of creation around us on other
human beings on the environment.

There's no way you can
actually control it.

I mean, the whole attempt to try
to control it is so preposterous.

But our whole society, our whole mental
framework is built around control.

We try to control, we try
to control relationships.

We want other people to
behave a certain way.

We try to control, you
know, our job situation.

We try to control so much.

All we do is try.

We try to control our children

Audree: and that's what causes
our pets pain and suffering.

'cause we can't control everything we

Michael: actually can.

I mean, it's hopeless.

It's just hopeless.

We just look at the mechanics of it.

It is not possible, but the mind
says, oh, I gotta try to control this.

And we go, yeah, I gotta
try to control this.

And then I'll feel better.

And we feel better for a moment.

A little moment we get a little chemical
hit, the mind releases that, and

then we figure out the next problem.

And the whole psychological basis on this
self-referential talk is self rumination

of primarily negative self-talk.

That's that's the, that's what
we're living in our lives.

Audree: Do, do, do.

And what is the Buddhist teaching?

Don't the Buddhist teach,

Michael: I don't know,

Audree: surrender and nothing's permanent.

What do you think they're teaching?

They're teaching, letting
go of control, letting go.

Michael: Right.

But people think it's something to
do out there rather than in there.

Audree: Right.

Exactly.

Michael: And that's the
whole, the whole gap.

It's like, you know, every, you know,
everyone loves, what is her name?

Michael Singer.

And the surrender process, they
listen to it, they feel so good and

they, you know, get some downloads.

'cause he's, you know, a
beautiful, beautiful human being,

sharing a beautiful message.

But the,

Audree: well, we don't
know him personally.

Michael: No.

We, I, I just know, I
just know people's effect.

Like, I,

Audree: I read the book.

The book is, the book is really good.

Yeah.

Michael: Anyway.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Yeah.

You know more than I do anyway, so

Audree: I'm just saying, I just

Michael: read liminal effects in the

Audree: field.

I'm just saying that
you have to be careful.

Let finish, be careful about what you say.

Lemme finish.

What I'm, because we
don't know him personally.

Michael: Let, lemme finish what

Audree: I'm saying, which is
a totally different thing.

Michael: Lemme finish what I'm saying.

Audree: Okay, go ahead.

Michael: But it's so hard to get people
to apply those concepts internally.

To know where to begin, where to start,

Audree: because it's scary.

It's totally scary.

It's like, it's like, why do you
think we do grounding meditation?

Because you're actually pulling your
consciousness down into the earth

and anchoring it into the permanent
electromagnetic grids of the earth.

So you have something that holds
you, a structure that holds

you, that makes you feel safe.

You have your family or your
home that makes you feel safe.

You have a partner, somebody to do
life with that makes you feel safe.

You have a job,

makes you feel safe.

Like we all need psychological safety.

It's the cornerstone of our playbook.

Psychological safety.

We all need to feel safe.

That means what we all need to
feel like everything is stable,

Michael: right?

Back to

Audree: structured.

Michael: Whoa, whoa.

Which come back to the control.

So I gotta control it so I
feel safe and oh, the research

shows I need to have safety.

I gotta control my envi.

Like it's like what?

Trying to control your
environment is non-safety.

Audree: Yes.

Because actually

Michael: boom,

Audree: in that, in that very
thinking of trying to control your

environment, the background radiation
of that thought is, I am not safe.

I am not safe, I am not safe.

So you're never addressing
the background radiation.

Thought of the underlying thought
of all of it is saying, I'm not

safe, so you'll never be safe.

'cause you're not addressing the
lack of safety, the lack of control.

Michael: Hmm.

Actually there's another really good movie
from the one who ate series Ruby Sparks.

Audree: Oh yeah.

Michael: Where this, this guy authors a
book through his imagination to control

it through what he writes in the book.

And it's just so beautiful to see
how trying to control another being,

how difficult and disastrous is.

But it just shows the, the desire
within his consciousness to try

to control the relationship.

So anyone has a relationship with, you
know, a partner or children or parents to

see how deep this desire to control is.

And we start to admit.

Oh yeah.

I really want to change
my partner this way.

Right?

Like, if you could make a list right
now, let's just be very practical.

Make a list right now of all the things
you'd like to change about your partner.

All the things you don't like that
you wish were a bit different.

This is the list that's existing within
your being of you trying to control that

situation, to try to change reality.

And the the, when you start to understand
that these are, these are these,

these thoughts aren't your thoughts,
they're injected into you as a control

mechanism to keep you kind of moving on.

Moving on.

Oh, this reminds me of another
really good thing from revolver,

which is how the mind controls you.

The mind controls you through consumption.

Consumption.

This is, this is the sickest part.

Every single thing you want to
achieve is the mind controlling you.

Hmm.

Every single major life goal, every
lifeboard, everything that you've

ever created, I want to create
this, I wanna achieve this thing.

Whatever it is.

Those have been control mechanisms.

And if you look at the structure
of achievement, it works like this.

It says, if when I achieve
this, I will feel so good.

Audree: Right?

Then you achieve it, then you
gotta go on to the next thing.

Michael: Wait, wait.

So you work for a week, a month, a year.

Many years.

Some people complete university programs,
you know, you know, you know, whatever.

Or

Audree: never finish

Michael: multi-year achievements.

They finish it and there's a
feeling of emptiness at the end.

Audree: Maybe that's why I don't wanna
finish writing the book Evolutionary

energetics that I started 2011.

They try.

Michael: So, so that, so, and, and, and
what happens is after that, then they

go, okay, what do I, what do I do now?

Right?

And so, so there's this, there's this lie.

I mean, you can look at your life.

They're like, oh, I feel so much
better when I achieve this thing.

But as soon as you've achieved it,
you know, you've felt a, you know,

maybe happy for, you know, a day, a
week, an hour, whatever the time is.

And then, you know, you're set
to your baseline and you're

onto your next achievement.

Because the, that's how it
keeps you going by constantly

consuming, constantly working.

It's just, you're just consuming a steady
stream of, of thoughts and that are not

yours, thinking that you're, they're yours
and feeling like, oh, I'm making progress.

I'm achieving something.

I mean, I mean, this is how a city

Audree: is.

You get the dopamine hit, so you're
actually, your phys, your physiology

is set up to have dopamine hits.

Michael: Yeah.

So the whole mind physio, so the brain
physiology system, the energetics,

all of it's set up this way.

This is what living in
the deviation means.

This is living in the deviation
that you, you know, I, I remember us

talking to this one dude that we know.

And he said, you know, and, and like he's
a super spiritual dude and you know, he

spent, you know, months and months in
India studying with, with gurus and stuff

like that and getting all these private
audiences 'cause he's well off and so on.

And, you know, because noticed

Audree: he's wealthy.

Yeah.

So he gets private audiences.

Michael: Yeah.

Yes.

So, so, so, so, so, so let's, uh,
so what I noticed is that community

has a lingo and they drop all these,
you know, whenever they're talking

about life situations or whatever's
going, they drop these, you know,

spiritual code words that the other
person goes, oh yeah, that's right.

And as an affirmation approach, right?

And he said, this one, teaching from
that kind of milieu or that context

of, oh, well the egoic consciousness
is like a donkey on your head.

This is what he said to me.

And I recognize as a teaching, um, you
know, yes, we've heard it from one of

our lineages that we've studied with

Audree: and or you can just watch Shrek.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

Okay.

Are

Michael: we there yet?

Audree: Okay, so,

Michael: so why am I mentioning this?

Well, what I, I just paused when he
said this and I said, well, that's

actually not what the, the truth is.

I mean, it's sort of true, but the actual
full truth is that you are the donkey.

The ego conscious is sitting on you.

You are the donkey and the ego
conscious is like, has carrot and stick.

It says, do this, do this,
think this, think this.

Feel this, and you're going along with it.

Search, search,

Audree: search.

You

Michael: are the donkey.

You are the one being controlled.

That's all.

A human being is now in the deviation.

A donkey, the egoic conscious
is directing your behavior.

They're giving you, it's giving you the
thoughts, it's giving you the emotions.

And you're going, yep, this is true.

Yep, this is true.

Oh, I should go do this now.

Okay, I should go do this now.

Okay.

There is no way your mind can
take you out of it because your

mind is the ego of consciousness.

That's why Audrey and I have in our office

a poster that says a flip chart.

Three words, trust the process.

Trust the process of evolution.

Trust the process of direct
experience of reality over the

mind because the mind will keep
you spinning forever in the mind.

The mind cannot know the truth of what
you are because the core foundation of

the mind, the egoic consciousness, is
in denial of the truth of what it is.

That's the central basis of its, its.

Perceived illusionary existence.

That, and that is the thing
that has control over you.

And so why trust the process?

Because the mind cannot
figure out the way out.

This is why Audrey and I spent time
listening to channeling and listening

to guidance because even with all
of our tools, all of our skills, we

cannot find the way out of the maze.

The egoic consciousness is like
this vast labyrinth, this vast maze

that spans miles and miles and miles
with loops and traps and things.

And without guidance, there is no
way to navigate this structure.

Audree: And I wanna say
something very, okay.

So I am professionally trained
to follow guidance, and we do not

teach following guidance until
very advanced in our, in our.

In our work,

Michael: very, very advanced,

Audree: very advanced
student because the mind is

Michael: so

Audree: tricky.

Only, yeah, that's what I was getting at.

The mind will make you think

Michael: is guidance

Audree: that you're following guidance
and we, we went to another teacher where

he has a story about go strawberries.

It's like the mind will trick you into
thinking that you are following guidance.

That's why, you know, when anybody
goes to anybody who channels or like a

tarot reader or a psychic, you have to
understand that all that information

is being filtered through that person.

And so I, I mean, even at Barbara Brennan,
we spent so much time purifying our being,

our consciousness, our subconscious.

You know, we were, we were graded on the
psychological makeup of our being over

our psychic abilities because I knew
some people that were like channels that

had thousands of people following them.

My roommate in, in like in Italy wrote
books, had thousands of people following

her as a channel and a psychic, and
she failed out a third year and she

was so pissed because they're like,
you don't know your, your wounding

and your defense mechanism and your
mask and all these psychological

aspects of your subconscious.

She couldn't identify any of it.

She was not self-aware.

And they're like, you fail.

It's not about you being psychic.

It's about what is that energy being
filtered through your consciousness

that's impacting everything that you do?

I'll tell you one thing about me.

So we channeled the other day and the, the
channel said that What, what did it, it's

the, they said, I think therefore I am.

And they they attributed
it to, to Shakespeare.

Michael: Yes.

Instead of Descartes.

Audree: Instead of Descartes.

So that is a very clear signal to
me that that wasn't the channel.

Michael: Well, it, it was, they
were picking up information in

your, in your consciousness.

'cause that that information was
there and they just picked it

up as part of the, the context.

They, it wasn't the key
message they were sharing.

Audree: Yeah,

Michael: it was, it was a side
note, but they were picking

out of your consciousness.

'cause I'm

Audree: just telling you
it is evidence based.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Of how channeled information
can only be channeled through the

consciousness of the human being.

And if the human being
is not clear mm-hmm.

You're gonna get distorted
information, which is what all those

mystics that created, the betas
and awakening and all these, you

know, different methods of healing.

Everything is filtered through the
consciousness of that human being.

And it's very, so I'm very
passionate about this.

Integrity, purity, clarity.

I've watched my teachers over and over.

They, once they get a hit, a level
of fame, they stop doing the work,

their own work, their own teaching.

You know, we, Michael and I are not
infallible like we are human beings.

We are.

Everyone here and the, I had
this contemplation this morning.

We are all source consciousness.

Each one of us on this planet is
source consciousness, incarnated

in human form, incarnated in the
physical, and we're multidimensional.

So this is a whole paradox of
the whole thing is we are limited

beings incarnated in physical form,
and we are source consciousness.

And all source consciousness is
doing is, is coming through these

energetic structures and filtering
through to experience reality

even.

Beings on this planet that
are creating war right now.

And this is the contemplation
that I had today.

It's just like, you know, we are not,
we let we allow our ego, a consciousness

to take us on a ride and, and get
angry and blame everybody else.

And fear monger and
warmonger and greed, monger.

And then we hurt everything around us.

We are so unaware of our impact.

'cause we don't care.

It's like what is taking us on that ride
is an egoic consciousness out of control.

Michael: And the ego consciousness
just wants to keep on, keep us in

the loop of doing, doing, doing.

Oh, surrender.

I just need to surrender.

Let me, let me surrender.

Let me do that.

It's like, that's why we're saying,
look, look folks, we're talking

about something quite different here.

We're saying, while that, while
that's a good direction and intent,

that's beautiful, we're saying let's
just stop and notice the control

that's happening within our being.

We're talking about the thoughts,
controlling the emotions, controlling.

I remember there was a time when Audrey
and I first met, this was a few months

into the relationship, I was having
this intense emotional experience of, I

don't know what, what the heck it was.

It was super intense.

And so Audrey says, well, why
are you choosing to feel it?

And I go like, I can't stop
choosing to feel this way.

I just feel this way.

Like, I remember that very vividly,
like the thought that, wait a

second, what do, what does she mean?

I'm choosing to feel this way.

Like, because what I was experiencing
my whole life up until that point in

time was that this, these involuntary
emotional responses that were

very intense within my own being.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Like, this is what we mean anger.

You're not controlling it.

Do you know what I'm saying?

If you can't have that intense
emotional experience, say,

you know what, I'm in control.

I'm done with this, now
I'm gonna let it go.

Like that's being in control, right?

So, so you have to, the
way, so here's the paradox.

The way you get to be in control of
your life is you see fully how you

are not in control of your life.

And when you can see it fully,
you're actually in control.

Audree: But you can't wanna control
your life by seeing that you're

not in control of your life.

Michael: No, no, no.

That's okay.

If you want to control your life
by seeing that you're not in

control, that's the mechanism.

So the mind wants to do something.

That's why everything that we have
is about in our teaching, in our

path, and our journey is about
teaching the mind what to do.

Audree: Well, it's a

Michael: I, okay, I go do this thing.

I go do this thing.

It's

Audree: a spiritual teacher trick.

I just want you to know that every
single spiritual teacher out there.

That wants to earn a living through
their, their spiritual teaching

will trick the ego into it.

It will, it will put a carrot
out in front of the ego.

'cause the ego is the thing that
wants to be, make their life better.

Or the ego is the thing that
wants to be enlightened.

Or the e like,

Michael: well, so hold on.

Audree: It's, it's a, it,

Michael: it's actually perfect because
what, what we need to do is, is not

to, to tell, you know, have the ego
think it's bad, is to use the mechanism

of the ego to dissolve itself.

Mm-hmm.

That's the only mechanism possible.

There's no other mechanism

Audree: wanting to know why I've,
I've said this over and over again.

The whole entire journey is about healing.

The ego of consciousness because the
ego of consciousness became distorted.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: It never goes away.

It transmutes, it heals and it
transforms back into its original

intention of what it was created to do,

Michael: which is how we
become creator consciousness.

And we can

Audree: not become creator consciousness.

Michael: Recognize we are

Audree: the egoic.

Consciousness is creator consciousness.

It's the very thing that creates reality.

It is the mechanic of creation.

It just transmutes from one way of
being into another way of being.

It never dies.

Mm-hmm.

So the egoic consciousness is fighting
for its life because it thinks

it's, its existence is going to end.

And the ego consciousness has
gotten a bad rap through, uh,

the psychological and industry.

Which created a whole entire industry
and a way to make money around the ego.

Well,

Michael: well, in all fairness,
it does cause all pain and

suffering on the planet.

So

Audree: it does cause
all pain and suffering on

the,

Audree: the

Michael: planets.

It's hard to like,

Audree: but the way, the way through
is not to destroy it or hate it

or judge it, it's to see it for
what it is and love it and love it

back into its original existence.

Michael: Yeah.

In, in our book Leading Beyond Change, we
have a chapter about peace with the ego.

Yeah.

And that, that was a, a peace
offering, a starting place.

But the real, the real place that we
get to is this place of, or eventually

get to when we commit to the journey, is
this place of unconditional love for the

ig or consciousness where we understand
that it's, it's kind of like, you know,

if you wanna look at it like the ultimate
inner wounded child, but it's, it's,

it's from this perspective where our
consciousness is anchored into the truth.

Of what and who we are
as source consciousness.

And it's, it's not a thinking.

It's a, it's a direct experiencing
of the ego of consciousness from this

perspective that heals and transmutes it.

Audree: Right.

If you want, is what

Michael: I'm experiencing.

Audree: If you wanna sum up, it's

Michael: not what I heard.

This is what I'm experiencing.

Audree: I know.

If you wanna, if you wanna sum up a
course in miracles in one sentence,

it is everything that you created was
created from a, a place of less than love.

Michael: Absence of love is

Audree: the first, the absence of love.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And when you can see that and
know that from a place of unconditional

love and forgiveness, then you're there.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: That is a course a miracle
summed up in one, in one sentence.

Michael: That's beautiful.

Audree: Yeah.

And it's so true.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: Because you could
feel that it's like, oh.

I just created that
from an absence of love.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: What they don't ever get at, and I
don't, I don't think they ever get at, is,

Michael: I have no idea.

That is massive deep,

Audree: deep, deep, deep self-hatred.

You start to notice a deep, like the
egoic consciousness hates itself.

Michael: I, it could be in there.

I mean, I, I, I mean like, I
barely put a dent in that thing.

I mean, it's just, you know, oh,

Audree: we put a big dent in that thing
and we still had so much more to go.

Got to over a hundred lessons,
which is like half a year,

Michael: is it?

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: I don't, okay.

That sounds about right.

Audree: I have to sneeze.

Michael: You just, uh, press the button.

I don't know how to do it.

Yeah, you did it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You successfully did it.

Congratulations.

All right, you're

Audree: back.

This is back on.

Am I back on?

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: I

Michael: So just a that,

Audree: wait, I just wanna say one thing.

The way we learn as human beings
is that we take ourselves dominant

at the bottom of the barrel.

It's the only, it's like, it's really
have has been the only way we learn.

Even if you look at a yuga
cycle of the cycle of humanity

and a shift in consciousness.

We go from the golden age.

Mm-hmm.

All the way down to the darkest, darkest,
darkest ages to come back up to the top.

It's kind of how we learn.

If you look at our solar system in
relationship to the center, uh, the

Galactic Center, which is this high
vibrational frequency, we move away from

Galactic Center and, and that's when our
consciousness becomes very, very low.

And then a whole solar system moves
back towards Galactic Center where we're

in that high vibrational frequency.

Right.

Where then we have the ability
for our consciousness to shift,

and again, we will circle back.

So it's, it's a right.

Michael: Well, so that's what,
that's what we see again, with the

transformational process, right?

Mm-hmm.

It's like a peak state, and then
there's a lot of transitions back and

forth, back and forth, back and forth.

Mm-hmm.

And then we stabilize at a new state.

Yeah.

And so it, it is just the nature cycling
is just so, so, so really variation.

And change is the nature
of reality, not staticness.

And so coming back to control mm-hmm.

We wanna make everything static.

We want to have every, oh, I want
everything to be the way I want it.

Okay.

I can feel good.

My house or apartment's now
set up the way I want it.

You know, work is where I want it,
my relationship where I want it.

Everything's the way I want it.

Oh, now I gotta work on this.

This is not where I want it.

Right.

And so like, that's the, this,
this addiction for control.

I mean, let's go back to surrender.

What do you think surrender is?

Surrender is just letting things flow.

Audree: You know, that reminds me, um,
I was in a, a, a leadership, it wasn't

even a leadership training course, it
was a, it was a, it was a executive

coaching course where then I went into
the leadership training from that course.

And one of the greatest things that I
learned was how to stand up in front of a

large group of people to give a lecture.

And not have any notes.

That was, I remember how scary that was.

No notes, no deck, no like, like you
could write three points on a card and

then you had to stand up in front of the
audience and exactly what to do and how

to do it from an energetic standpoint and
from just a, a very physical reality of

how are you going to speak in front of an
audience with no, no support structure.

That was, oh my God, that
was such a great teaching.

Yeah.

It's like letting go when, when
you can let go to that extent.

To completely, I surrender the
surrender experiment if you can.

When, when you start to have these
contemplations, what happens is that

you don't need the safety, you don't need
the controls, you don't, you just know

you're going to be okay no matter what.

No matter what happens.

Michael: Well, that comes with
understanding what and who we are.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: As source conscious.

And when we understand that,
then everything's okay.

Then it's like, you know, I mean this
is what's going on for me, these like

past week or two weeks really is just
this disturbance coming in and then

then kind of remembering what and
who I am, and then it's like then

seeing the, the kind of, the really,
the non-reality of the disturbance.

And then from that place, then all
the intelligence is available to just

deal with whatever the situation is

Audree: like.

Michael: But it's, but it's, it's, but the
situation's essentially, which reminds me

of, you know, Joel Goldsmith, you know,
you know my piece I give onto you where

he says, no matter what your problem or
situation, once you go into the piece,

Audree: everything's okay.

Michael: And you let go of the problem.

You like go trying, you go of the
problem, you like go trying to

solve the problem, which is control.

Audree: You know, supply is
gonna come no matter what.

Michael: Well, there's a just,
you just let go of it all.

And from that place, then, then, then,
you know, the, the action for it emerges.

Audree: Oh my God, you know what?

I just got,

Michael: I have no idea.

Like, I know

Audree: one of the biggest teachings in
our, in our leadership courses is what

Michael: is about letting go control,

Audree: push.

Creates, creates resistance.

Resistance control is a push.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Remember.

I don't know what number class we were at.

Maybe 40 or 50 class.

40 or 50.

Where, and just so the audience
knows, we would teach like

three classes a month maybe.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Two or three average.

Michael: Yeah.

For years.

Audree: For years.

So around class 50, same content
over and over and over again.

I finally got, oh my God, we
are teaching the mechanics of

creation and how to manifest.

Like it's not jumping
into the vortex people.

It is not,

Michael: it's not visioning the state
and getting into a good energetic state.

Audree: It is not affirmations.

Michael: It's see how you're
trying to control the situation

Audree: because control creates
resistance and you're actually blocking

the very thing that you want, which is
one of, one of our, our processes that

really unlocks leadership and unlocks
your ability to create what you want.

Oh,

Michael: and

Audree: now I have chills going
through my whole entire body.

It's like

Michael: you always said to me, Michael,
now you finally get what you're teaching.

And it's like, Hey Audrey, are you
gonna finally get what you're teaching?

Audree: No, I got it.

I'm just getting, yeah.

I am just like

Michael: the next layer.

Right?

Audree: It's just the next layer.

Yeah.

Because that's always what it is.

It's like awareness, the spiral.

Awareness and awareness.

And awareness.

Perfect.

And, okay.

The other thing is, is like you
and I are in the biggest process

of letting go because we, we bought
this big, huge, beautiful property,

five acres, this gorgeous old mansion
that we had all these plans for.

We did some leadership retreats here.

We wanted to build our business here.

I've been having fun
filling this house with,

Michael: making it beautiful,

Audree: making it beautiful with
antiques and modern furniture.

And we've been sitting here for four
years in this living room, meditating.

I mean, you know, there's Jesus in the
woodwork on the floor that I just love.

This was, um, this was a
monastery for a a hundred years.

I mean, this, you guys, any,
anybody who has not come here,

like, we have a a hundred year
old Italian night walled garden.

Okay.

Keep on target

Michael: the leader.

Audree: I know I, I'm getting at it.

I'm getting at it that there's
only three in North America.

Like this property is
extraordinary like this.

I mean, nine fireplaces, like we
had this sanctuary, you know, like.

Oh, we have this sweeping grand
staircase with Palladian windows.

I mean, this, this place is gorgeous.

Michael: It's gorgeous.

The high ceilings especially.

Audree: Oh god.

You know, and it needs work.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: You know?

Michael: Anyway, just we're,

Audree: this is what I'm getting at.

It's like we thought we
were gonna be here forever.

This was our forever home.

You know, we thought we would spend
time building our business, having

our students come here, doing our,
our, you know, the, the highest,

Michael: destroying this
house fully to its, uh,

Audree: potential, doing the
advanced trainings, restoring

this house to its former glory.

And what happened?

We're being asked to leave.

Not, you know, life.

The universe is, is moving us
into a direction where we're,

we're leaving this home.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And we're having to go through,
like even, you know, we're selling

things on Facebook marketplace.

I set up the whole entire sanctuary,
like, um, so we can have an estate sale.

And then what did we do?

We took everything and we donated
it to a church and we're donating

it to, you know, a thrift store.

Like, we're not even
selling most of our stuff.

We're not, we're we're being asked to not

Michael: let

Audree: go keep, yeah.

We're being asked to let go of
everything that we own, everything

that we've built, even our business.

It's like everything.

Like, the only thing that I wanna do
is meditate and do these podcasts.

'cause I get excited and I love them.

Michael: She's an addict, folks.

Audree: I know.

Michael: She's like looking
at me at the, the microphone.

Audree: Let's go.

Let's do a podcast.

It's so much fun.

But it's like, really?

I don't wanna do anything else.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: I even, we've set up our
business right now, so it's on automatic,

you could just go buy a process.

Mm-hmm.

You know, like we, we don't
have to teach you or hold you.

You could just do it on your own
because that's what it should be like.

You know, we did it on our own.

You should do it on your own.

It's your choice, it's your life,
it's your choice or self mastery.

But it's like letting go of control
of everything, of what we thought

everything was going to be and we're
stepping into something actually new.

We have to, we are being
asked and we've been.

I mean, even it started last year.

If we were gonna put, you are creating
your reality on our website, we're

like, okay, if we're gonna put this
on our website, we have to live it.

And we've been living it and it,
it's been like, woo, like on our

flipping roller coaster, it's
been inten an intense journey.

Michael: Evolution.

Audree: We have to walk the talk.

We have to even step
deeper into our evolution.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So

what comes to me is like, we're
not blowing smoke up your ass.

We're just sharing the journey with you.

And we're not, we
haven't, we haven't even.

I completely cracked the nut.

We're not pretending
that we have, or, well,

Michael: yeah, I mean, just to,
you're, you're in the process of

like, working through, letting go.

I've already let go, so
I'm, I'm fine on that score.

Oh

Audree: really?

Oh really?

Michael: Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm fine.

Audree: Okay.

Michael: I'm outta here.

It's like, doesn't matter.

Um, oh,

Audree: for the house,

Michael: for the house, for the contents.

It's, it's like, you know, you
know, it can all go up in flame.

It doesn't really matter.

Like

Audree: I know you're,

Michael: there's nothing, nothing.

Audree: I even found a bunch of, like,

Michael: if I have my phone, I can
set up all my new passwords on a

new computer and a credit card.

I'm, I'm good.

So, like, so,

Audree: but see, see, you
have a false sense of control.

What if you didn't have a credit card?

What if you didn't have a new phone?

Then what?

Well,

Michael: the things I wanna
accomplish, so they'll just make,

I'm just, it makes it inconvenient.

Audree: No, I'm just longer.

Michael: It just takes, takes longer.

Do

Audree: you understand
what your mind just did?

Michael: Yeah, it's, it's fine.

I, I see.

Yeah.

It's a good one.

So, so what actually I'm working
on is, is really just taking

responsibility for the value of this
work and the value of my own being.

Which is, which is my kind of kryptonite
area, which is what I got assigned,

uh, I think yesterday from our guides.

They pointed out that, um, well,
they partly pointed out, and

then I was reviewing the, the,
uh, the notes and I went deeper.

I went, well, what's really going on

Audree: here?

Well, you had your
mission and your purpose.

So it's, it's kind of like once
you have the clarity and you

have the, the purification that's
happening with the, in the ego of

consciousness, other things emerge.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Yeah.

In a, in a different way.

In a much clearer supported way.

Michael: Yeah.

So that, that's it.

Just keep on, keep on looking
at the truth, like keep on with

Audree: awareness.

Awareness is the primary mechanism.

Michael: Awareness is the primary
mechanism of e evolution for

Audree: evolution.

Michael: All right.

Ready to close?

Audree: Yeah,

Michael: I'm alright.

We'll close with three minutes
of the E two mantra transmission.

Just tune in the frequency.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Thank you for joining us today.

Let's be evolutionary.