We Give Our Power Away and Call It Devotion

Audree: I suppose I should have gone
to the bathroom before starting this.

Michael: We can always stop and restart.

Audree: No, it's okay.

Aren't we being raw and vulnerable?

Hmm.

So I wanted to continue, um, the podcast
from the, the last podcast, which was

like now a couple days ago, right?

Michael: No, that was yesterday.

Audree: Self hatred was yesterday.

It

Michael: just feels like
a couple of days ago.

Audree: Wow.

Are you sure?

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Huh?

Time is strange.

Michael: Well, I could not be sure maybe
two days ago, but it was very recent.

Audree: So

what we've been finding within
our own selves is the, the, the.

Blatant disempowerment that comes
from self-hatred and unworthiness

and, and the punishment and

all the, all the damage that that causes.

And I'm noticing how we constantly,
and I've been noticing this for a long

time, since November, since my mom died.

But how we give our power away
continuously, give our power away.

And even now our, the techniques
that we've been using have been,

we've been starting to have these
kind of like ceremonies where

we're taking our power back.

And I've been doing that for a
really long time, but I think

Michael: you've been doing
that for a long time.

Audree: But, but it seems like.

What we're doing now
is even more powerful.

It has, uh, it has like this, this
quality to it, this of, and, and I

wanna say real, but it's like, it's
more conscious and intentional.

And with that,

you know, as source consciousness.

When you actually begin to embody and
feel that you are source consciousness,

when you make a command and take your
power back, it's very, very different.

Michael: You're not speaking of,
you know, with your mind thinking,

I am source consciousness.

You're talking about the,
the, the knowingness.

Audree: The nosis, the

Michael: visceral understanding.

Yeah.

The visceral experiencing of your
being of, of that is what you are.

You know, the I am that I am when
that's the truth of your being.

Then there's this, this, as you say,
you know, ability to make changes that

could not never have happened before.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And my perspective of the
whole thing is it, it's all layers.

It's all layers and layers and
layers of being that we move through.

Like, if I think of the number of times
that I've moved towards wholeness and use,

you know, guidance for how complete am I
on this, this specific metric of wholeness

and be like, oh, I've, I'm almost there.

And then, you know, and then lo
and behold I get to, you know, 99%

or whatever, or almost a hundred
percent I discover, oh wait, there's

another, there's another level.

And I think for me, the whole, the
whole realization of the journey

is, is there are layers and levels.

And as you know, we, you know, it's
like a video game where you play

level one and then level two and level
three and so on, and we keep on going.

And, and eventually what happens
is you get to the final level.

Like there is a, the final level of, of
the, the full knowingness of what and

who we are, which is the final level.

However, on the journey, as we're
in the journey, we don't know

when we're on the final level.

Like if I had a nickel for every time
I thought I was in the final level.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Right, right, right.

I mean like, or, oh yeah, I
finally made it or 'cause.

'cause because it feels so good.

Like it feels like, oh my God, I'm
feeling 10 times more peace than I've

ever, I remember that one time, that
was like two years ago, where I go, oh

my gosh, I'm feeling like 10 times more
peaceful I've ever felt in my life.

And then it happened again.

Then it happened again.

I go, wait a second.

There's something going on here.

It's like there's an unfolding
of, of understanding of what?

Words like peace or psychological safety
or, or being in my, in the truth of who I

am or my own authenticity or my own power.

There's, there's layers of revelation that
happened in the unfolding of the journey.

Audree: Right.

'cause it has to be an unfolding
journey if it happens too fast.

Even, even the, she says that if it,
they've run experiments where people

pop open and they can't stabilize
in that, in that consciousness.

Michael: I said, I said, I
thought it was something else.

I said that they, they've,
they've helped people like reach

very, very advanced states.

However, then they can't help anybody else
'cause they don't know how they got there.

Audree: That's a different,
that's a different, that was

a different conversation.

Michael: Different conversation.

Audree: Yeah.

It's, it's the, the experiment of people
spontaneously having enlightened states.

Mm-hmm.

And.

They're not, they're not, their
whole entire structure of being

is unable to maintain or stabilize
in that as a living truth.

And the, the environment around
them is also not stable in

that, in that living truth.

So, you know, people, you know, take
off their clothes and they start running

around and they start saying, I am God.

You know, like I had, I had a client that.

That I, I would witness.

Yeah.

You have

Michael: firsthand experience.

Audree: Witness that.

And even I was like, oh
my God, what do I do?

Because it wa he was,
he was uncontrollable.

There was no stabilization
in his being whatsoever.

And, and at the same time, I was very
beautiful and the people around him.

We're like, you need
to call the paramedics.

You, he is, you know, he's
having a psychotic break.

And I was like, no, he is not.

He's actually having a
spiritual experience.

But the environment, you know, the
fear came into the environment.

And when you're that open

Michael: mm-hmm.

Audree: And there's that much fear and you
don't know how to stabilize your system,

then, then it goes, it goes haywire.

So that's what the, she said
the, she said it doesn't.

When you do it step by step in, in
layers, you have the ability to stabilize

your, your, your actual, your physical
body is able to shift and change,

you know, your neurotransmitters, all
the, the chemicals within your body.

You're doing this
consciously, intentionally.

You are using the tools for
stabilization and you're going

through the process really slow.

I wanna get back to self-hatred
'cause that's such a big thing for me.

Michael: It's a big thing for
everybody, whether they know it or not.

Haha.

Audree: So what we've been seeing
is that there's been locks on

the collective consciousness.

So it's not like, oh, I'm noticing
this in myself, but you could feel

that all of humanity has these
certain lockdowns, and one of them

is to be completely disempowered,

to give your power away
to another being to say.

You know, the, the pleading and the
praying and the, you know, to this, you

know, this being over here has more power
than me, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask.

I'm gonna negotiate, I'm gonna
plead, I'm gonna pray for this thing.

And the minute you do that, you
completely disempower yourself and

say, I'm not source consciousness.

This other being is, well, this other
being can help me and I can't help myself.

Michael: Well, so, so the funny
thing is it works and it's a trap.

I'm gonna say, I'm gonna be really clear.

It works.

Yeah.

What's happening?

I describe it a little bit differently.

What I was experiencing was it's about
giving my own power away to another

being without understanding that it's my
own power that I'm giving, and they're

just giving me my power back to me.

Right.

But I'm attributing the power to them.

So whether it's, you know,
praying to God, you know, asking

your guru, asking your guides.

Mm-hmm.

I mean, that's why, you know, when
you know, now I'm kind of putting

the, you know, you know, putting
things together where it's like, you

know, we're asking our guides for
help and it's like we're actually,

Audree: and

Michael: just accessing our own power,
but thinking and attributing it externally

to us, but it's actually our own power
to alter our own being and alter reality.

Audree: Right.

So that being.

They have integrity and, and
are effectively like in higher

states of consciousness.

All they're doing is holding us
in our own, in our own potential.

They're seeing us like
Joe Goldsmith for example.

He never.

Said, I'm healing somebody.

But people would contact
him and say, please heal me.

I have this, I have this, I have this.

All he would do is is go into the I Am and
see that person as source consciousness

and they would instantaneously be healed.

That's how it happens.

And so there are beings, 'cause I'm, I'm
thinking of like my guides or like when

I do cards, tarot cards or whatever, it's
like I'm asking for help and support.

All they're, now that I'm really feeling
into it, all they're doing is holding up

a mirror so I could feel my own being.

And at certain levels of
consciousness, we need that support.

We need the mirror.

Michael: Say it again.

Say what you just said again.

It's profound

Audree: at certain
levels of consciousness.

Michael: No, before that

Audree: they're holding up a mirror.

Michael: There you go.

Audree: Stand slowly, slowly.

They're holding a mirror.

Of the truth of what and who we are
as source consciousness so we can know

ourselves as source consciousness.

I remember when I was
in India and I was very,

I'm thinking if this, if I should
tell this story or not, but I will.

There were people bowing down to the guru.

And I was raised that you do not
bow down to a human being ever.

There's only one God.

That's it.

And over a period of years,
the resistance in me changed

and I was still giving my power away
to this teacher that I, I didn't

understand at the time I do now.

And there was this point.

Where I was so devotional,

there was a point where I understood
the devotion was just teaching me how

to be devoted to myself, and that's when
things started to change for me, and

I started to really take ownership and
responsibility of my own power instead

of giving it away to the teacher I saw.

The teacher as an equal, not as,
I won't say, the guru as an equal

and not somebody above me that had
special abilities or gifts or powers.

And that's when I, that's when my
consciousness started shifting and

I was like, why are these people.

You know, bowing down to a golden ball.

Like all of a sudden everything started
to get really strange for me because

I was like, why are they doing that?

Why are they like giving?

Like I started to notice the, the
giving of the power away to this,

to this guru, to the teacher.

Michael: Well, so just to,
just to, just to clarify, that

was all within the deviation?

Audree: Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Michael: And.

You know, there's an under, well,
I don't gotta get rid of that.

You know, the, the awareness and
understanding that we have is that

the structures and the practices
that were there of the deviation

were perfect for that time.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Where exiting the deviation
was not possible were, it was a

more, a matter of, of survival
within the low vibrational structures

that humanity was contracted in.

And so looking back on it now
from what's possible now, that's

no longer appropriate now, or

Audree: even looking back at my at, at
the writings that I had back then, that

was like 2015, 2014, 2013, 2010, 2009.

I can see a consistency within the
writings that I've had, the channelings.

The guidance I was getting and
the, and the journey that I was

on was always about self-mastery.

That you are, that

that's always been the teaching.

That's always been the journey

I.

Is the journey of humanity, except
what you're saying is, is that

within the deviation, all of that
devotional, all of that, that holding

those structures were perfect for the
time because we couldn't go anywhere

Michael: and, and there's also like
another dimension to this, which is this

paradox of success on the journey requires
that you have to walk through the gates

of choice yourself, and you have to put.

Make the, the choices in
life and put the effort in.

And at the same time, it's also
required that you take support,

you take supportive knowledge, you
take support of, of, of guides.

You take supportive, energetic
processes that are available.

You take support of the, the larger,
you know, frequency shifts that

are happening within creation.

Audree: Well, that's the training program.

Michael: So, so there's a yes and.

Audree: What's going
on with you right now?

Michael: Well, I'm feeling into this.

There's like this,

Audree: yeah.

Michael: Like right here.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Where, I mean, when I say
right here, I'm just speaking of this

energetic structure that I'm feeling
and Audrey's recognizing as well.

Wow, so, so with the realization that
I'm actually creating everything.

Uh, I'm actually the one creating
the guides who are supporting me.

There's not, it's not like that.

And so, so, so, so that, that's, that's
the Correct, that's the paradox of it and

the correctness of it is that yes, you
know, you, we take support from guides

and teachers and so on and at the say,
oh my gosh, this is all tying together.

There's a saying that when the
student is ready to teach your peers.

The truth is the teacher's
always there, is just waiting

for the student to be ready.

Audree: Do you know what this also
reminds me of is, um, my thesis from

Barbara Brennan that they were doing
research on what makes a child resilient.

And they were, they were looking at
all these children that came from the

ghettos and broken homes and massive
amounts of trauma and abuse and.

The ones that were resilient

and improved their lives all had
a figure in their lives, an adult

figure in their lives that loved
them unconditionally, and it didn't

have be for a long period of time.

It could have been for just one hour or
two hours that they had this moment of

unconditional love that was so profound
and pure that they were able to rise above

all of their circumstances and shift and
change their life and improve their lives.

Like even Tony Robbins has that story that
he was brought into his teacher's office.

And, and, um, the teacher was like, you
are, you know, you're really brilliant.

And it was, he said, he talks about,
that was like the first time that

anybody ever noticed who he was.

His intelligence, his brilliance
that his authentic self, that

person gave him unconditional love.

And so the, the what the research
that I was doing was that,

that love can be reproduced.

Hold in a meditative state.

So when you're with a guide or a guru,
what they're doing is that they're holding

you in this profound, unconditional love.

Hopefully, if they're not using it to
manipulate you, that's another story.

Um, but that's what a guide is Like
if you think about every time you're.

If you're in front of somebody
that's channeling the transmission

is unconditional love.

Anything other than that, you know,
you're not with a true, a true channel

Michael: or a high frequency channel.

Audree: High frequency,
well, yeah, high frequency

channel.

Michael: So people can channel
all sorts of frequencies,

Audree: right?

That's why like people that read
tarot cards with like doom and gloom.

They're reading in a low, low vibrational
frequency that won't assist your

elevation, your evolutionary journey,

you could feel it.

I remember knowing, having,
knowing somebody that was a, a

very powerful channel, and all of a
sudden it was like, what happened?

Like I could feel it in the
room and I could feel this weird

energy, and I was like, Ooh.

She got compromised.

Michael: So you're speaking about
the love of another being the

young person from another being.

Yeah.

And so, I mean this, this whole
journey is about the establishment.

We're back to the fairy prince
of love of one's own being.

Audree: Yeah.

Because when you have that unconditional
love of your being, it dissolves

the self-hatred, the unworthiness,
the punishment, all the reasons

why your life is not working.

I mean, you know, you know
what I say about this work?

If it's not improving your
life, then it's not working.

But it's not working because
we're choosing it not to work.

We're choosing to
disempower our own being.

That's what I'm really getting at.

Like that's like that, that's

Michael: so, so there's
no real difference.

Like, because the truth is if we've
disempowered our own being, if

we're relying on the outside, then
we don't really love ourselves.

Audree: Right.

Michael: I mean, it's an aspect
of that and, and I think.

Audree: Well, we're speaking
to self-mastery here.

How you get to self-mastery.

This is like,

Michael: this is so weird.

Like I remember my epic quest
for two years for self-kindness.

Audree: Oh yeah.

You went to cuddle parties.

Michael: Among other things.

I did everything, any random thing that
would, might, might move the needle.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Well that was, those
were, that was actually useful.

I, I learned.

I didn't really know how to
say yes or how to say No,

Audree: I know.

Well, it was very powerful.

Michael: Yeah.

So, so just basic, basic
things like that were.

Audree: I know I make fun of you, but
I'm not, I'm not making fun of you.

You

Michael: do make fun of me.

Yeah, it's okay.

And so my realization is, you
know, self-kindness, self-love.

It's is this, this journey And so anybody
who's listening who thinks that they

have self-love, like unless you're in
a permanent state of enlightenment,

it's you know, or permanent state of
awareness of realization of what and

who you are, or source consciousness,
you're actually just in self deception.

And I think that's it.

And, and again, it's
like a feeling of degree.

Audree: Well,

Michael: that's what I, whatever feeling
of self-love that one may attain.

It's like, you know, that's
not, that's not the final step.

It's like that's, oh, that's great.

Congratulations that
you're on your journey.

And, and, and I think that's the big trap.

If people think, oh, I'm done now
I made it right because I, 'cause

I no longer feel really shitty.

Audree: You know, from what I
understand with the evolution of

humanity, unless you're turning into
a ball of light, you're not done yet.

Like that's the journey.

And it sounds so weird,
but that is the journey

Michael: that that's, that's
not what the she said.

Audree: Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Michael: No, they said, they said,
our purpose is to be incarnated

here as source consciousness.

Right.

Audree: Is for right
now the end, for right

Michael: now,

Audree: end saying the end journey.

Which I don't know when that is.

But

Michael: you mean in your future state,

Audree: future state of humanity is
going from physical body to light body,

Michael: right?

Correct.

Future.

And for now though, and for now though.

Audree: For now,

Michael: the, the, the, until that
happens, the, the limit of human

potential is living a source consciousness
incarnated in, in human form.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Which requires going back
to what we started with, moving

through the self-hatred and fully
claiming our power, which means.

Understanding all the places
where we've given it away.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: And then doing those.

Audree: Yeah.

That goes for healing your own body.

That goes for career success.

That goes for relationship
healthy relationships.

You know, if we look at the playbook,
the very first point of the playbook is.

Do you have a healthy relationship?

Do you have a healthy
relationship with yourself?

Michael: Well, well actually the
first step of the playbook is are

you, before you even look at the top
part, is are you living the foundation

of of, of psychological safety and.

Are you clear of charges?

Are you, are you in a state
of compassion for others?

Mm-hmm.

Do you have patience?

And so, so that's the starting
place is, okay, wait, am I

operating from the foundation
before even healthy relationship?

Audree: What's interesting though, is
that when you're, if you're a seeker,

you have.

An aspect of your being that is
self-love because you are seeking,

you're seeking improvement,
you're seeking to heal yourself.

You're seeking transmutation
transformation.

You, you can't even take that step.

Michael: Right.

That's a big yes.

That's a big yes to your own being.

Audree: And when you have a yes
to your own being, that's like

the first step, step of self love.

That's like kissing
yourself in the mirror.

Like the kissing yourself in the
mirror is only the first step.

If I was gonna, you know, reference the
Fur Princess book, but it's like that's

the first step and then the journey.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Right then, then it's the journey.

Michael: Right.

So do you love yourself enough to
begin and continue and resume and,

and, and, uh, follow the twists in
terms of the evolutionary journey?

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Yeah,

Michael: and it's interesting.

What I've seen for most people
up till now is the answer is no.

Most people get some sort of practice or
thing, and then they're like, I'm good.

And, and that's what I learned from you.

I remember, like I, I was like that very
much so, and you'd be like, learning

this new, new tool and be like, what?

Like why are you doing this?

Like, what's the point?

And, and then I was
like, oh, wait a second.

There was a point here.

Wow, this is really good.

And then, then, then I, but I

Audree: have the, I like
to explore everything.

Yeah.

Michael: And then, and the, yeah.

So that's where, you know,
I'm be, have an advantage of

harnessing once something's there.

So it's a good, good combination.

However, what I'm realizing
now is that there's this,

one of the keys to the journey is
this openness to, okay, what, what

don't I know what could be more?

Right?

And so the part of the trap is just
being satisfied with, with what's there?

Audree: Well, it's the unlearning.

Michael: Oh, right.

That that's what we're
going through now, is this.

With, with our work is I'm learning
of the tools from earlier in the

journey to like, okay, what are
the tools that I need right now?

Not the tools that you're earlier
in the journey where it's just like

when you're climbing a mountain, the
things you need at lower elevations

change as you go up the elevation.

They're different things that are needed,

Audree: right?

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: I think, um, going back to

the understanding that
humanity has been in lockdown.

We have been in lockdown, oppressed,
and suppressed, and there's this

pervasive kind of background
radiation of self-hatred that

you can see in every behavior.

You can see in every conditioned
way of thinking or being.

And it's, and it's, can you have
the strength and the courage to look

and it's easy to see
it outside of yourself.

And if you could see it outside
of yourself, can you say to

yourself, where is that in me?

Where is that in me?

And are you brave enough or do you
have enough courage to actually, to

actually say, what if it were true that
this is in me, and then feel into it?

And I think that's when we discovered,
when we were able to, to have that.

And that's just been very
recent that we've gone deeper

into, okay, let's really look.

Like, okay, we know we have a, we
have a intellectual understanding

that we are creating our reality.

We're creating it now.

It's just unintentional and it's with
the subconscious sabotage patterns.

So if we're, which

Michael: is the self-hatred?

Audree: Yeah.

But we didn't really, we
saw the, the sabotage.

We could see part of the self-hatred,
but I felt, I feel like we went

deeper in to look, to really
look and not be in self-denial.

What's really, really here

Michael: it well.

So it's not as simple as, as,
oh, we are making the choice now.

It's part and parcel with the,
the shift of frequency, with

the shift of awareness to the
understanding of what and who we are.

And with that, there's an opening.

Of, of, of the, of the lens, so to speak,
a shining of the light on the situation.

So it's not, it's not, I mean, those
choices just simply weren't accessible

to us or they were accessible to us.

But it, and at a different level of,

Audree: I'm not making an excuse, I'm just
saying like, 'cause to me it's not, I'm

Michael: just trying to clarify because

Audree: an excuse,

Michael: I'm just trying
to, no, it's not an excuse.

It's, it's really just clarifying
that really at each moment.

What what I, what this is what I see.

I don't know what what you're seeing,
but there's an unfolding and there's

a, a structure of creation where we're
seeing more and more as time goes on.

And that's the natural function.

Audree: I understand that.

And

Michael: it can't be either way.

'cause the stuff that I'm I, that I've
been moving through the last 24 hours

would've, like, there's just no way that
was possible a week ago or a month ago.

Audree: I know, but what I'm
saying is, is that when we made

the choice to actually really see.

When we made the choice, yes.

Every

Michael: step along the journey.

Throughout the whole thing.

The choice to see, the choice to
evolve, really to say I choose to

evolve without the choose choice to
look at every disturbing thing in front

of us is not the choice to evolve.

That's the choice to stay in distraction.

That's the choice to

Audree: stay.

No, the choice to evolve is, is
when you take full ownership and

responsibility and say, I'm, I'm actually,
I'm the one that's creating this.

Yeah.

Michael: And then look,
see, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

Like that's like the, it's,
you we're, we're only really

fully authentic in that choice.

When we choose to See, that's
what I'm trying to say.

We are, if we say we wanna make the, we
make the choice, but we don't see, and we

don't make the choice to look, it's not,
it's not really the choice to evolve.

That's what I'm saying.

Audree: I know you're a cynic.

Design, I wasn't talking design.

I was beyond the choice to evolve.

Michael: Very good.

Audree: It's like a heated,
debated discussion when we're

both saying the same thing.

It's so strange.

So getting back to self-love, you
don't really focus on self-love.

You focus on the self-hatred,
which is, what did they say first?

It's disturbing.

Michael: Oh, that quote from the,

Audree: what is that quote?

I always forget it, but

Michael: first you'll be astonished
and then you'll be disturbed

and then you'll rule over the
world or something like that.

Audree: Yeah, something like that.

Or maybe first you're disturbed,
then you're astonished.

Michael: I don't see a way to get
skip the disturbed step, honestly.

Audree: No.

There you, well, you, you,

Michael: we gotta, we
gotta spot the 'cause.

It it, because the process of
purification requires purification and

the purification only happens when we.

See the thing that that
needs to be purified,

Audree: right?

Michael: And even with
these, these audios,

Audree: when we used to do the four
a's leadership, remember in the

beginning when we used to do the
four A's leadership in the courses,

Michael: oh, we threw that in level one.

That was insane.

Audree: And, and it was so intense for
people when they started to see their

damaging behaviors that we started
to do this like this little, um.

Inoculation beforehand to give them
the ability to not judge themselves.

Yeah.

They were to get

Michael: acceptance.

Audree: Yeah, acceptance
and, and non-judgment.

Mm-hmm.

Before you look like
compassion for your own being.

Oh my god.

You know, but some
people really love that.

Mm-hmm.

Michael: There's about, uh, 10%
that was really ready for it.

Yeah.

That's why we pulled it out of level one.

Audree: Yeah.

Yeah.

We had to pull it out of level one.

Michael: Yeah.

We didn't really have
permission to do It was

Audree: too intense.

Michael: Yeah.

We didn't have permission
to do that with everyone.

Audree: And at the same time, that's the
very thing that shift your consciousness.

It was that type of looking.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Now it's in level two, much safer there.

Audree: Not really.

To see is to be free.

That's what they say.

It's true.

Are we done?

Michael: I feel like we're done.

I don't know what else.

Audree: I don't know.

I love sitting in our living room.

Michael: Okay, let's do
the, uh, the three minutes.

Hm.

Audree: I was thinking, oh, I don't
wanna sell this house 'cause I wanna

sit in this living room every day.

But we could sit in other living rooms.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Very good.

Michael: Remember that
place in New Zealand?

Audree: Oh yeah.

Michael: See?

Audree: Right.

Remember when we saw the
Dolphins in the bay and then

we ran out there with a kayak.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Yeah.

That was extraordinary.

You wanna move to New Zealand?

Michael: No, I'm saying that's the
kind of extraordinary every day.

Audree: Yeah.

Oh,

the house is extraordinary.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Alright.

Audree: But the environment
around the house, not so much.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Although I do love the trail.

Oops.

Michael: Alright, ready

Audree: now?

I'm ready.

Michael: Alright, so we'll begin
the E two mantra transmission.

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