B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Audree: Are we on?

So I guess it's up to me to
say Welcome to our living room.

We're

not even in the middle of a conversation.

'cause this is really strange.

We're in the middle of a process.

Well, Michael's in the
middle of a process and

the conversation's been about our work

and it began with, um.

You know, maybe we're going at about
our, our putting our work out into the

world and the wrong way or, you know,
what we're doing having these courses

isn't selling and maybe the trans, but
people are buying transformational audios.

'cause it's easy.

Our work isn't easy.

And I started this morning by sitting on
the couch and having a cup of coffee, and

I'm supposed to write a transformational
audio script for a healing session.

So I was looking for
the file to put that in,

and I stumbled upon a file.

Of, um, some writing, um, that, um,

I don't even know the year, probably 2015.

I was living in India for five
months and I was taking these 30

day courses, so I ended up taking
four 30 day courses in a row.

And at some point during one of the
courses, I just started having these

amazing downloads of understanding
of how thoughts create reality.

And so I stayed back one day to write

and the flow of writing happened all day.

And I ended up writing
some, some really beautiful.

Um, understandings that I was having,

and it pertains to exactly what
we're doing now, and that's,

you know, what if it were true

that we create our reality?

And it's not even, I mean, you know,
the question is what if it were true to

get you to think what if it were true?

And right now, in our evolutionary
process, Michael and I, everything

that we do, we test on ourselves
first, and we take ourselves

through the evolutionary process.

You know, even, even thinking about
our work for these past nine years,

starting in corporate to create
or how to, we've been teaching how

to create transformation within an
organization, working with people.

How do you show up as the leader
or the person on the team that can

create delivery, could create success.

Delivering products or projects.

And when I met Michael,

I saw everything that I was doing
my whole life and specifically

learning the how to in India

can be applied to our corporate,
the corporate teaching.

And that's what Michael
was teaching already.

In everything, the underlying fabric of
everything that we do, everything that we

live, everything that we teach has been.

We are creating our reality,

and it's by the choices that we make
and how we show up in every single

situation that we can shift and change.

What we are experiencing, and
that's why all the teachings,

you know, you go inward first

and your inner world expresses

in front of you.

Like everything that you're
experiencing is, is a causal.

Effect from your inner state.

And so we ask all the time,
what if that were true?

Then how do we then?

Then we have control.

We have control over the
lives that we're living.

We have control over our success,
the health and vitality of our body.

We have control over our relationships
and it's not control over meaning,

oh, I'm gonna control everything.

Because when you have a grip that
that's so tight, it doesn't work.

And I think that's what
Michael's doing right now,

is he is unwinding the control.

The control mechanisms that are
really fear-based, survival based.

'cause that's the first thing that
the ego of consciousness wants to

do is its nature, is to define,
to control, to make it feel safe.

Michael: Exactly.

Exactly what's going on.

Audree: And the paradox of it all.

And, and like the thing that I was
reading, it's so funny, is because

we are already con creating our
reality now we're creating a reality.

Now we just are unconscious of it.

When we become conscious of this very fact

and we start to harness that knowledge.

And we start to use tools and techniques
so we could shift our thoughts so we can

be in a high vibrational frequency, which
is gonna create or shift the fabric of our

creation into high vibrational frequency.

It's like a frequency jump.

Like our bodies are transmitter,
receivers of energy,

yet we don't live that way

consciously.

Sly.

Michael: It's like a good
news, bad news scenario.

Good news.

This possibility exists for
every human being on the planet.

Bad news purification is required.

Purification of all the subconscious
patterns that are actually

controlling the creation of reality.

And that we, you know, it's kinda like
what you don't know, you don't know.

It's like the, the
hidden unknown within us.

And so what, and this is the, this is
like the, you know, seeing paradox of

it, is that the conscious mind has no
ability to create reality or very, very,

very limited because, you know, it's.

You know, one horse working against
10,000 horses in the subconscious.

And so, so where I am is, you
know, really for the last, uh,

probably about 18 hours I've been
experiencing this excruciating pain.

Running up my right side

almost feels like it's in
the nerves or something.

I don't know.

It doesn't really matter
physiologically where it is and.

You know, it's not going away.

And this is, this is
particularly, uh, hmm.

Audree: Uncomfortable.

Michael: Well, like, it, it's unique and
novel in a way because for the last, uh, I

don't, 72 hours I've been in this place of
instantaneous healing and transformation.

Well, not really instant, I mean
30 seconds, 60 seconds, where.

Just being in the awareness of the
full truth of what and who I am.

That isness that I am, that, you
know, I mean, you know, it's, it's a,

it's a, it's a vibrational frequency.

It's a knowingness of our being.

It's such a death.

Audree: It's not a knowingness
'cause knowingness is the mind.

You're actually having
a visceral experience.

Michael: It's a nosis.

Audree: It's a nosis.

Yeah.

Michael: It's a nosis.

It's, yeah.

So it's, um.

And so, so from that place of having
things just, you know, which has like

been, you know, for this, like this
incredible godsend because you know,

you know, you know, otherwise there's,
you know, one has to go through steps

and blah, nobody knows, blah, blah.

Audree: You keep saying, you know,

Michael: maybe you don't know, but
you know, maybe you don't know.

So, so the whole, the whole path of
our work is understanding that every

disruption, every kind of difficulty
or challenge in life is actually.

Has an energetic structure.

We call them triangles and, and are the
gateways to our evolutionary process,

the gateway to our purification or the
gateway to clearing out the subconscious

so we can create the reality that we
want consciously rather than being,

you know, self victimizing ourselves
by the choices and the structures that

are there and are being, so anyway,
so yeah, so I, so I've been in this

place for the last 72 hours of like,
things just dissolving like immediately.

Just through awareness and completely
like, not like, okay, this is

the next level after this, like
the final, final deletion of the

frequencies from my being and so

and so I have this shooting pain,
and I'm like, okay, well, you know.

You know, you know, the going in
the front door isn't working right.

Like, it's like, okay, this,
this is not, nothing's working.

So I'm just like, okay, well
let me, let me see here.

You know, I'm not asking to be shown
like, what is, what is going on?

What is, you know, if, if, if, you know,

Audree: slow, slow down.

'cause you keep saying, you know,

Michael: okay.

Audree: You know, you know.

Yeah.

Like you're like, if you saw the
transcript right now, it would

say, you know, you know, you know.

Michael: Yeah.

I guess nobody really has any idea.

Audree: Exactly.

You know?

Michael: Well, so

Audree: you could say, I know.

Michael: Yeah.

So Audrey says, you know, it feels
like your power is just coming through.

'cause you know, the right
hand side is about taking

action in the world and so on.

And I'm like, okay, well if this
is the gas and it's hitting a

block, then you know, there's
some sort of break in my system.

A block preventing the flow
of, of the creative force of

my being from taking action.

And, and that feels like on brand for
what's happening in the external worlds.

And so I, I asked it, I just started
to look, okay, well what's here?

What's here?

What's the block?

What is it?

And so it came up with very, very deep
structures, such as fear of failure.

Trying to control.

And I think that's kind
of where this whole,

well, this whole level of gnosis
and this whole, I guess, inspiration

for this podcast came from, which
is there's this deep realization,

my being of my allegiance,

of my allegiance, to controlling things,
to understanding what's happening.

To, you know, I've got the, I've got
the right angle, cross the planning.

So planning and having plans and
understanding the plan is like

central to everything I've ever
experienced in this incarnation.

And so,

Audree: oh, and you won't
do anything until you could

see the way through it all.

Michael: And I have the gate
of starting and finishing.

Yeah.

So, so if I can't see the,
the way to complete my whole

incarnation says, no, I'm done.

Audree: Um, in your human design chart?

Michael: Yeah.

In, in the deviated format.

So, you know, from a, you know,
misunderstanding of human design, say, oh,

well that's just correct and that's good.

And you know, the deeper understanding
is that's just the deviated structure

Audree: because you could
shift your perspective Yeah.

Of those structures.

Yeah.

And those ways of being,

Michael: well, that's a whole
other conversation about.

That

Audree: perhaps.

Michael: Yeah.

So

Audree: maybe it's this conversation.

Michael: Yeah.

So, so, so I'm looking at it going,
okay, well what's really, and this is

really the essential thing with all
of us, is this desire to control, this

desire to know the fear of not knowing,
the fear of not being in control.

And so what I was experiencing is this,
this kind of, this deep, fundamental

primordial structure with my being.

And

the naive understanding would be,
okay, well I'm just gonna, you know,

drop all of that and not use it.

And the, the, the realization that
came is, is that there's a shifting,

is this understanding that the
success of our functioning comes from

operating from a state of beingness.

Operating from a state of being
in the truth of who we are in high

vibrational frequency and, and being
aware of the energetics of what's

around us and flowing with creation
and taking action from that place.

And not only that, it's not throwing
about the, the trying to understand

and the reasoning and the planning.

It's harnessing those capabilities
from a different state of being,

from a different vibrational context,

Audree: from a a different perspective,

Michael: from a completely
different context and perspective.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Instead of operating the
machinery of understanding the machinery,

of planning the machinery, of considering
options from a fear-based survival

perspective to operating from a state of.

Of being this, of having this.

And so when this realization started
to come into my being, the, the

pain scale went from a, you know,
an eight or nine where it's been

hovering and still is to about a 20.

And it's like, okay,
I'm onto something here.

Audree: So you were in a really high
state of consciousness for, I don't

know, maybe three or four days.

I wanna say prior to that, we've been
sitting in the awareness of self-hatred

and through that punishment and through
that creation from a place of self hatred.

I mean, in course of miracles,
they say a lack of, you're creating

it from a, a place of, a lack of
love, you know, an absence of love.

But they don't, I mean, like
truly what we were in, we had

the both of us at the same time.

Or because I think you started
to contemplate this or started to

notice it within your own being, you
know, we kind of, we kind of like.

You know, fed off of each other.

But we both became very, very aware
in deep contemplation and seeing,

and knowing and doing these life
reviews and contemplation of like,

oh, feeling into that self-hatred.

The way that the nature of the
egoic consciousness is separated

from the truth of what it is.

And because of that then deems
itself unworthy and punishes itself.

And it's like this, this cycle
of low vibrational frequency

structures and behavior patterns
and perceptions and thoughts.

So we were in that deep, deep place.

And from that, then you are able to pop
into this very high state of consciousness

of just being source and being in that
state, that very high vibrational state.

What's gonna happen, and that's the
technology of shifting consciousness

and transformation and transmutation
and healing and all of that is

when you're in that high vibration.

Eventually that high vibration
is gonna go and find the aspects

that are ready to heal the stuff
that needs to be burned away

Michael: at that level of frequency,
at that level of purification.

Audree: Well, can you imagine that
you're in six dimensional frequencies?

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: That's where you have been.

So what is gonna be burned
out is, I mean, you know.

All of it has, like for me, it just
makes sense that it would be so intense.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: And there's light
at the end of the tunnel.

You know, it's a process.

That's why we have trust.

The process hanging on,
framed, hanging on the wall,

and it's uncomfortable and it's
part of the evolutionary process.

It has to be burned out.

There's no other way,

and both of us made a commitment a few
months ago that we're going to live the

teaching if we're gonna be teaching this.

What if it were true?

You're creating your reality, which
is a shift for us to just come out

and say the thing of what we're
actually teaching, what our work is.

Michael: That was only
two weeks ago or so ago.

Audree: No, no, no, no, no.

Michael: It's been there for the whole
time, but it wasn't on the homepage till,

Audree: I know.

But a few months ago we
actually said W we, I think.

There was like, what is blocking our
work from coming out into the world?

And then it's like, it's been there.

Well, we've been hiding.

We've been hiding.

Yeah, let's not hide anymore.

And so when we said, let's not hide
anymore, let's put it out there.

I mean, yeah, we had kind of
the balls to put it on the

website maybe a few weeks ago.

Michael: Well, even there was a
version four months ago of what if it's

true, you're creating your reality.

Audree: Yes.

That's what I'm saying is
once we did that and made that

Michael: decision, oh, I
think I was, I was confused.

I was confused.

I was thinking about what if your
source incarnated in physical form?

That was a different one.

Audree: Yeah, but four or five, oh, it
must have been four or five months ago.

You have such precise, profound
integrity that you will not

teach anything without living it.

So truthfully, the work doesn't
even matter for anybody else.

It's, we're just going through
our own training program.

If you wanna come on the
ride, you can, so to speak.

And that's why we're where we are right
now is because of that commitment.

Michael: Well, that's the structure
we've experienced and that's been

described to us by our guides, is
that there's these gates of choice,

these portals of choice, and.

The choice and the effort and
the willingness to discover what

tools are needed at this stage
of evolution, then that repeated

process creates an inevitability,

and this is connected with that audio.

We wanna record the self-sabotage one.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Of just seeing how
good I've been at self-sabotage.

Thinking I'm making the choice when I'm
not making it fully, or I'm avoiding

it in certain areas, or, you know, I,
I think, you know, I've, I've got it.

I've figured out the tools now and,
you know, I, I, I don't need to,

you know, I don't need to move on
to something, something new or, you

know, I, I think that's, you know, the
kind of the, the really, the mother

load of unlocking this whole process.

Is, is to get a handle on the
self-sabotage, which is really

all about self-deception.

When I look at it, it's we're lying
to myself about, okay, I'm doing this,

or I really want this, or I'm fine.

I'm this because of this other reason.

Or you, you know, and it, I guess
you don't know, but this is what

I've seen with my own journey is this
profound, you know, even this place of.

I'm doing all the tools, I'm doing
everything I'm putting in all the effort.

And yet, and this is the, the power
of our own being operating through

the ego of consciousness that we
can deceive ourselves so easily.

And it, it is really an uncomfortable
notion to admit even that

self-deception is a thing that
exists even though it's present in.

Almost every moment of daily life.

Audree: It's pervasive.

Michael: And the core of that is
when we, when we do open to that

awareness of, of self-deception,
that is the, the kind of the

root entry to self-sabotage.

It's a game changer.

Audree: Right.

Even the self-deception that
we're not creating our reality,

that life is happening to us.

That's.

The deepest self-deception
and it's disempowering, like

we're taking away our own power

by deceiving our own selves.

That's why that sentence, what if it
were true is such a powerful question.

Coming back to you're the
problem and you're the solution.

Michael: Which sucks and
is the best thing ever,

Audree: best thing ever,

if only.

Michael: So I was thinking how

the actual structure and mechanics of
creation and what and who we are is

so utterly ridiculous and preposterous
from the conditioned, especially western

state of, state of mind, even, uh.

I'd say kind of new age kind
of spirituality is, is like

perhaps 1% of the level of
openness to truth that's needed.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: And so, you know, and I
think that's, you know, part of

the self-deception is, you know,
somebody who does yoga and you know.

Eats organic food, vegan, and

Audree: or even me and meditates

Michael: does meditation and you know,
like it thinks, oh, I'm doing so well.

Right.

Well, they

Audree: are,

well,

Michael: they, they are relative,
relative to where they were before.

They are.

And yet the possibility that's not,
that's not reaching, that's the

truth of what they or who they are.

Audree: It's a good start though.

Michael: It's, it's a good start
and it's an improvement in life.

I, this is the, the, the beauty of
the journey is everything we do count.

And every step we do improves our
interstate, improves our external

experience of, of reality what's
happening around us with the

relationships and career and so on.

And yet we ignore the
stress, the worry, the

fear that shows up in all places
and relationships and work.

Audree: What do we say?

It's like if you start to notice
the background radiation of

your being, like the vibration.

Michael: I'm not even in the background.

I'm not even talking about that.

I'm just talking about what's in
the, what's in the foreground of your

immediate experience and like really
look at what's the frequency of that.

That's why we, you know, in
our training we start with

the interstate awareness tool.

Mm-hmm.

So people start become aware of what
is their actual experience of reality.

I mean, there's this whole, you
know, movement about mindfulness.

But without, without being aware of
the frequency and the tools to shift

the frequency that's there, that, this
is where I say that the choice to numb

out is actually a reasonable choice.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Without the tools, whether
it's, you know, numbing out through

alcohol or sex or travel or work,
or is actually like a good choice

if one's not gonna use the tools.

Or drugs or alcohol, what, whatever,
because it takes the pain of, of

existence away, which is of course
the whole preposterous thing.

'cause we're, you know, the intention
of, of, as, as source consciousness,

we intend to live in, in a very
different way of functioning a states

of peace and joy and abundance.

And, and that's the,
the possibility for us.

But without the, the means to get
there and giving up is actually,

you know, a reasonable approach.

Yeah.

Audree: Hmm.

Michael: And thinking about the whole
journey, one has to really want it,

one has to really want to change
one's circumstance, whether that's

internal situation, external situation.

Audree: Wow.

Michael: Because it requires effort,
it requires choice, it requires

reclaiming the sovereignty of our being.

Audree: Right?

And I think that's where
we all kind of fall short.

Michael: Even, even

' Audree: cause we've been brainwashed
into believing that we're, um, we're

bound by the circumstances from,
from which life is happening to us.

Michael: Even something as, as you know,
even the easiest way is where someone

listens to a transformation audio with
high vibrational frequency and they,

they get this, the work done for them.

Somebody still has to make the
choice and press play right there.

There's a, there's a need to say, I'm
gonna spend this 10 minutes so I feel

better internally and calm my nervous
system down and are able to function.

So I create a better reality for myself.

That's, that's still a choice.

It's still like, it's, it's the smallest
increment or iota of effort that's needed.

Audree: Wow.

I mean, what's happening is, is it creates
the, the deep reflection within our own

being, like going back to self deception.

Michael: I think this is why people
are stopping in in the coursework.

Honestly.

Audree: It's too much

Michael: y Yeah.

The people are not ready for the truth.

Audree: You can't handle the truth.

Michael: Well, yeah.

I mean, I, I, I love that, love that movie
and that, that, that line struck such a

chord in my entire being when I heard it.

Audree: Well, that's how this
whole conversation started is like.

You know, we have, we have these
courses, we have the teaching,

and nobody actually wants it.

So now what, what do we do?

Where do we pivot?

Michael: Well, and then we're the ones
creating the reality and then looking.

That's,

Audree: that's,

Michael: and then even where
I started, even where I, and

then even where I started today

Audree: is he said, wait a minute.

That's not true.

We're creating that reality.

Michael: Yeah.

And, and where I started my day is
seeing, well, am I functioning in, in the

frequency, in the role that I need to be?

And it's like, and the answer was no.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: You're operating in the ego
consciousness of trying to figure things

out and have a plan and understand the
mechanics of how things are working.

And for me, this is the
joke of the whole thing.

All this work, we've created, this
incredible benediction of this work,

this step-by-step process is the result.

Of this pathological desire to
understand the nitty gritty step by

step so that there's a clear path
and plan for the whole journey.

And so this is the whole thing
that I, I'm, I'm just realizing

I'm being called to let go of
the very thing that got me here.

Audree: Wow.

Congratulations.

What we told,

Michael: maybe just

Audree: get a job at Google

Michael: and this is what we are
told is that there's a falling away

of old structures and new structures
will, will form at this frequency.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: You know, TLDR,
this is what it means.

Audree: Surprise, surprise.

Oh, right.

Michael: Thank God our
guides have patience.

I mean, really, you know, our,
our journey's been really, you

know, he called a shit show.

It's messy.

It's not like we're some perfected
beings and we've all got that.

I mean, all I've got going
for me is the, the choice.

The choice, continuous choice to say yes,

and that's all Roman really needs.

I remember when I, I mean, this reminds
me of when I, when I first met you

and you, you, I was offering you help
going through this challenge when we

were in India, and I asked you the, the
question, which has been the question of

our entire relationship, of this entire
path of the work we're doing, which is,

are you ready to go all the way through?

I'm only gonna help you through this
issue you're experiencing if you're

ready to go all the way through.

Little did we know that this
was not something that could

happen in, in, you know.

In, uh, in 20 minutes.

Audree: Oh, what is, what?

Like

Michael: taking decades.

Audree: And it's been
con, it's been continuous.

It's like, oh my God, this is it.

This is going all the way through.

And then it's like, no.

Oh my God, this is it.

This is going all the way through.

No.

And, and

is this

Michael: all the way through?

Is a lifestyle all the way
through is a lifestyle.

Audree: Oh my god.

Remember I said we're a lifestyle brand.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: We're not a training company.

No.

We think we're not a

Michael: Maybe that's the pivot.

Audree: We're a lifestyle brand.

Michael: We're a lifestyle brand.

Audree: Go out there and be evolutionary.

Isn't that what you say?

So cheesy.

Let, let's

Michael: be evolutionary.

Audree: Let's be evolutionary.

What the fuck?

Michael: Maybe nobody
wants to be evolutionary.

Audree: Nobody wants to be evolutionary.

Michael: Fun fact.

Yeah.

Or that's the reality we're creating.

Audree: Well, that's
what I said this morning.

That's how all this started.

That's the reality that we're creating.

Wow.

And do you know who we're hurting
all of humanity by saying that?

By thinking that,

whew.

Not in an egoic way,
just in a very profound,

Michael: this is the weird paradox.

Everybody wants to change their life.

This person's doing this thing.

I want them to stop.

Oh, I want more of

Audree: this.

Well, why do you think they want money?

Spend, you know, thousands of dollars
on Tony Robbins or Mindvalley, or

blah, blah, blah, or getting into the
vortex, or, hey, going to university

or reading a self-help book,
or going to TM to go meditate.

Yeah, there's all these people and these,
you know, teachings that are promising.

All of them are promising
money, health, and relationship.

The three basic needs of every
human being, what every human being

wants, love, money, and health.

Every single sales course that
you will ever go to, they're

like, find somebody's pain.

And their pain is either they're
looking for relationship 'cause

they think that that's what
they need to fulfill themselves.

They need money to survive.

That's how it works on this planet,
is you do need money to survive.

Michael: Oh, that's what
gets people to spend.

Audree: Yep.

Michael: It's like, oh.

'cause the ego says, oh, you
can make a career out of this.

You know whether it's true or not.

And then mm-hmm.

The person goes, oh yeah, I can do this.

Audree: Or Yeah, the blueprint to your
success, it's gonna unlock your success.

Which is true.

This ties this

Michael: into, well,
there's a truth in it.

I mean, this ties in with,

Audree: and then health, if you
don't have your health, you have

nothing, you don't have relationship
and you don't have wealth.

If you, if you are not healthy.

Michael: Well, well,

Audree: so

Michael: for me, for me that's
like the, the key of everything.

'cause what we're discovered is, and
this is so self-evident when people

take just a level one course, is that
you don't have your mental health.

Right.

You don't,

Audree: well, we're not even,

Michael: and I don't, I
mean like mentally ill.

I'm just saying like, you,
you're not free of, of fear.

You're not fear of stress, you're,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Audree: Well, and all of that
creates physical pain in the body.

It creates injury, creates illness.

It creates illness.

Michael: Yeah.

So, so,

Audree: I mean, while it's all true,

it's all true,

and all those teachings have been
created within the deviation.

So that's where the loop comes
in and there the cycle, you

never get out of the cycle.

Michael: So that's part of it.

There's a whole teaching and subset
of human design about money lines and,

you know, what activation do we have
within our incarnation that allow us

to sell to certain open centers and
take advantage of the, what human

design calls, the not self, which
is really the, the subconscious and.

And that's not correct for our
work is selling through fear.

Audree: Well, that's always
been the issue that we've had.

Every person that we've tried to
hire for sales or blah, blah, blah.

Or looking at the, the business model of
sales and funnels and all of that shit.

'cause it's shit.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: It's totally the

Michael: buy now.

Audree: It's totally the opposite of who
and what we are and what we stand for.

I mean, you have, you have such
a strong sense of integrity

that you just won't do it.

Michael: Oh, that's been
another asset on the journey.

Audree: An asset and a pain
point all at the same time.

It's the paradox, you
know, and so what do we do?

Nothing.

Michael: Well, I'm feeling a, a sense
of possibility and it's this sense

of, you know, my entire life I've been
operating from this place of tr of,

of wanting and needing to understand
and wanting to control, and wanting to

have the understanding and the plan.

And so for me, there's a stepping
beyond anywhere I've ever been in my

entire existence in this moment to,
I'm not saying it's gonna be perfect,

but wobbly and messy or whatever it's
gonna be, of operating from a state of

beingness and, and the complete letting
go of the, the, the, the, the fear-based

self-hatred based structures of, of.

Desperate need to control and
understand so that I have the sense

of of, or the illusion of safety.

Audree: How does that feel in your body?

Michael: It feels very exciting.

Like it feels opening and liberating.

'cause I'm letting go of all

Audree: these, oh wait, do you still
have that pain on your right side?

Michael: It's, it's doing it.

I, I realize that I, it's
nothing to, to focus on.

It's just, it's gonna, it's gonna unwind.

It's

Audree: gonna unwind

Michael: as I step into this.

Audree: That's beautiful.

Michael: Right.

Audree: Then my job is done.

Michael: It's not about just

Audree: kidding.

Michael: You don't.

Learn how to ride a bike by sitting
in and being in a training class.

You get on a bike and
you start riding a bike.

Audree: No, that's driving a car.

Michael: No, I'm talking about a bike.

Audree: I'm talking about driving a car.

We used to sit in school.

We had these big, huge Did
you have that at school?

Michael: No.

Audree: Our high school had
the this huge driver's ed.

Component.

You took driver's ed.

Michael: These are rural, rural
Chicago, so everybody had to drive.

Audree: It was, but it
wasn't rural Chicago.

It was just a suburb.

But we had a huge driver driver's
ed department where we had these,

each individual huge simulators.

There were like 25 simulators
or 20 simulators in a room where

you had a screen in front of
you and you were in like a car.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

No one Canada ever had that.

Audree: I'm just, I'm like, we had that,
we had the simulator, the simulate Main

East High School in Des Plaines, Illinois.

I mean, like we had

Michael: mm-hmm.

Audree: We had a simulator.

And we drove the cars, and I remember
the, the, the vi the, the video, the

movie in front of us in this simulator
was like driving down Gulf Road and

where my house was, but it was all rural.

It was, it was, you know, because it, the,
the, the film was, it was filmed like in

the sixties or something like that, or the
fifties even before there were the, uh.

Interesting.

All the houses and stuff,
so it was just farmland.

You're driving in a car and you have
a gas and you have a, a, you know, you

have the gas and you have the brake
and you have the, I don't even know if

it had seat belts because, you know,
it was before seat belts were, I mean,

not when I was taking the, the course
or maybe they had put them in, I don't

even remember, but I just remember.

We did a whole entire semester of being
in the simulator and the simulators

were connected to something with
the, with the teacher, and they could

see how you were reacting in the car

and that.

And then after simulation, the
next semester was actually being

in the car with the teacher.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Which was cray cray.

I, I, I mean, I told you stories Yeah.

About my, uh, my driver's ed teacher,
who was also the PE teacher who, um, I,

we just saw, I just saw him in person
at the, uh, at our high school reunion.

And, uh, he actually

Michael: was internationalist or
So PE means physical education.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Or gym.

Audree: Yeah, gym class.

He was our gym teacher as well.

Yeah.

He was a good teacher.

Anyways,

Michael: so, so for today, it's,
uh, stepping into the squirrel,

into the unknown once again.

Audree: Well, you know, from
an energetic standpoint,

it's like, um, when, when I do
relationship cord healing with people.

The minute you cut those
cords, it's instantaneous.

The healing is instantaneous and what
will happen, and I always would tell my

clients saying, okay, we cut these cords.

Don't be surprised if that person
reaches out to you and tries to reattach.

They will try to reattach because they're
actually siphoning energy off of you.

And every single time I see the
client again and they're like, oh my

God, you're not gonna believe this,
but exactly what you said happened.

And it's kind of like the chicken or
the egg, you know, which came first.

Is it because I said it that that happened
or because that energy was detached

and they're actually trying to hook
back in to siphon energy off of you.

Michael: It's not a chicken and egg.

'cause even if you don't tell
people this is gonna happen,

they tell you this happened.

Audree: I know

Michael: there is no chicken egg.

Audree: I know

Michael: that's about other things.

Audree: It feels like
we're wrapping up here.

Michael: I think so.

Audree: What do we do?

At the end of our, our podcast,

Michael: we say, let's be evolutionary.

Audree: Let's be evolutionary.

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