BEvolutionary: The Podcast

Audree: Go

Welcome to our living room . What?

Did you stop it?

Michael: No.

Audree: Oh.

Rolling.

Keep rolling

Now what?

Michael: You wanted to do a podcast?

Why are you looking at me?

Audree: Well, you started
making some comments.

So-

Michael: Oh

… Audree: right now we're heading into
the Lion's Gate, and then there's an

eclipse on August 12th, and we're sitting
here having a discussion about, uh, the

importance of these planetary phenomenon.

But we're not astrologists, so we just
see things like, you know, little blips

on YouTube and, and stuff like that.

I'm sure other people
see those things as well.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: And what were you saying?

I was saying that these months are
powerful and very, very significant.

'Cause two plus six, so we're in
2026 right now, so 26 is an eight.

So technically it's almost like an 888,
um, you know, August 8th, and then it's

the year 26, which adds up to eight.

So it's an 888 number, which
would make it a really…

When there's three numbers,
it's super powerful

Um, but if you add up 2026, it's
a 10 year, which is also the

beginning of a cycle in mastery.

It's also, um, in the tarot
deck, it's the wheel of fortune.

So 10's a very, very good number.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Means, uh, mastery

Michael: Yeah.

So what I was saying is that, uh, our
lived experience of the last few eclipses

and even like the Lion's Gate last
year, if I think back to it, that these

have been very significant events for
the evolution of consciousness, which

applies to or that that potential is
there for everybody, uh, on the planet.

Um, and it's not even required necessarily
to do some sort of active work to

prepare for it and so on and so on.

Because if you think about it, your,
your life is your evolution program.

So it's, it's not like, you know,
oh, this is a special time and

I need to do my special thing.

It's more like when you're living
an evolutionary life, there's an

automatic upgrade that happens
through these, these kinds of events.

And Audrey and I were talking about,
well, you know, we're not astrologers.

We, we don't really
look at the information.

And I remember this, there was this moment
where I heard Ra Uru Hu say, "Well, if

you just look at the, the data, like
the, the actual mechanics of it and

where the planets are, that there's a
activation of, a lock of awareness of

understanding this, if you're, you're
open and listening for this, of w- like

a deeper meaning of what's actually
happening with the mechanics of creation."

He was speaking not about
astrology, but about human design.

But the, the, the mechanics, um, or
the, the, the fundamental structures of

planetary positions are, are the same
between them, so although the mechanisms

of interpretation are, are different.

And so, so I thought, well,
okay, well, that's interesting.

You know, Audrey and I have never spent
the time to dive into the mechanics

of, of planetary positions and what
specifically is happening and, and so on.

And then I thought about it and I
thought, oh, well, that's a good thing.

And, and the reason I thought, oh,
this is a good thing to not know

and not focus on it, is in a sense
that every byte counts, right?

And y- you know, you can say, "Well,
well, wait, wait a second, Michael.

Isn't this whole podcast about talking
about the mechanics of creation and

understanding the mechanics of creation?"

And the answer is yes, and

The mechanics of creation are not
knowable fully, and they're vast.

And this journey is about
understanding what to focus on

and what not to focus on, right?

And so we're saying the essence of
the journey requires zero knowledge

of planetary geometry, planetary
events, and y- it's not, you know,

while it's beneficial to have people
who are doing this work, 'cause that's

their passion and, and love doing
it, that's a gift to, to everyone.

We can utilize that.

There's no real need for, let's
say, Audrey or myself to have that

detailed knowledge of the mechanics.

At least at this point in time in
the journey, we haven't seen that.

What is important is that we understand
and evolve our consciousness, our--

th- that aspect of our being that's
awareness, to understand how we

are creating our own, own reality.

How, the, really what and who we are,
which is where the peace comes from, the

flow comes from, the ease comes from, the,
the end and the exit out of the deviation.

That's the evolution program that's
before us as humanity at this time.

And so when we look at it this way, m-
for that program of evolution, there's

no requirement, um, for one to understand
the detailed planetary mechanics,

either from a human design perspective,
which is one set of mechanics, or

from astro- astrological perspective,
which is another set of mechanics.

Neither of those provide, um…

While, while they may support the
journey, I, and they, I'm absolutely

sure they do support the journey,
they're not on the critical list.

They're not even on the should have list.

They're maybe on the nice to have list.

That, that was my insight.

Audree: That's a really important insight.

And I was like, "Oh, I
totally disagree with you."

And then I- Oh

Michael: yeah, I could feel you.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: You were ready
to jump in and you didn't.

Yeah.

So good job.

Audree: And then as you were
talking, I said, "Well, I don't

disagree with what you're saying."

So it's, for me it's more like
a yes and, and here's why.

I kind of have my pulse on
everything, you know that.

Michael: I know that.

Audree: Um, a- a- and there's a reason.

Like, I, I watch the news, not fully.

I don't watch the news news, but I
would read the news in a repubutal,

reput- I can't say the word.

Michael: From a good source.

Audree: Yes.

Reputable.

Reputable.

You gotta say it really fast.

Reputable- … source.

Yeah.

Um, a- and I don't watch it on TV
'cause it's, it's kind of blaring

and, um, hurts your nervous system.

But I do keep up and, and I,
and, and it, I think what I'm-

Michael: Mm-hmm

… Audree: I'm here not disagreeing with you.

My yes and is that-

You don't need to know what's
going on with the planetary

system in, in the solar system.

And those planets are impacting, the
energy is impacting Earth and you.

Now, I kind of love astrology for
fun, and at the same time, it's way

too complicated for me to understand,
and it's not my, it's not my jam.

So I, you know, would go to an
astrologer or I would, you know,

kind of like watch things on YouTube.

But I'm very picky about
the information coming in.

I don't believe everything.

I don't believe everyone because, um, the
level of consciousness and the level of

information is like half-truths and lies.

What I can tell you that- Oh.

What?

Wait.

Michael: Go finish.

Audree: Can I finish?

Michael: Yeah, yeah, no.

Okay.

I…

This is just a fun

Audree: thing.

I'll just be really fast then.

No,

Michael: no, no.

It's okay.

Take your time.

Audree: No, I'm really excited
about what you have to say, which

I have no idea what you're gonna
say, but, um, what I, what I will…

What I've noticed about the, the
correlation between these astrological

events and my own evolution is that
it explains to me what's happening.

Like, I already understand I'm going
through a huge, huge process right now.

Like, we're working with our guides now,
and we're in a huge training program.

There's massive transformation going on in
our consciousness that is life-changing.

I know it's changing and it's evolving.

Um, we're coming into a- advanced
techniques and information that most

likely, if we continue teaching, we'll
be adding to our advanced level courses.

Like, w- I, I…

Like, it's…

When I look back at it, unbeknownst
to me, it's like they're like, "Oh,

we're gonna start a 30-day program."

I'm like, "Okay.

Hmm."

You know?

And then all of a sudden, there's
been massive purification, massive

rewiring, massive shifts in our
consciousness, massive, massive, massive

understanding about the mechanics of
creation, about our own journey and

e- Like, the evolution that we've had
in the past 30 days is phenomenal.

Then I asked Michael,
"Oh, when, when is the…

When, when's the 30 days over?"

And he's like, "August 9th."

And then all of a sudden, I'm on YouTube
and it's like Something happened a

couple days ago, like on the 29th.

There was this huge astrological
th- event happening in between,

like, the 18th to the 21st of July.

And then the, on the 29th, there was
another wave of astrological event.

And then there's the
Lion's Gate on August 8th.

And then there's an eclipse, um,
on August 12th, and this eclipse

apparently is, is rare and it has to
do with Aquarius and the planet Pluto,

which is the planet of transformation.

And it's like all these things

you know, are, are kind of like

unintentional on our end.

Like, we're not consciously aware of
the, the, you know, we're not aware

that the shear putting us in this
extremely intense training program for

the advancement of our evolution…

Hold on, I'm gonna sneeze

Thank you

And it correlates the timing
of it, we find out after the-

Michael: Afterwards or

Audree: in the middle … afterwards
or in the middle, like, during this

30-day training process that we're
in, that there's these very powerful

astrological events happening.

Now, our training program ends
on the 9th, which is, you know…

And here's the thing.

You might not be…

You might be in your evolutionary
training or your evolutionary process.

It's also good to understand what is
happening astrologically so you can see

it's more of a validation, basically.

It's like, "Oh my God, I'm in this
very massive process right now.

There's this huge evolutionary process and
transformation that's happening with me."

And then you go to look, and
you're like, "Oh my God, there's

also the Lion's Gates coming up.

I'm…"

And you wanna do purification, and
you want to also make sure that you're

stable during these, these astrological
events, that you're grounding more,

that you're doing more self-care,
that you're aware that There-- These

astrological events do impact your
consciousness, and it's like a computer.

Like, the solar system's like one giant
organic computer that is supporting

the evolution on this planet.

At this time, the solar flares are,
are doing massive work to dissolve

the energetic templates that have
been holding humanity in these

lower states of consciousness.

The solar flares are dissolving those.

The planets-- the alignment of the
planets and these astrological events

are supporting the, the shift of
consciousness for humanity at this time.

The solar system itself is moving closer
to the galactic center, which means

that we are able to harness, if you have
the capability within your energetic

anatomy, which is what evolutionary
energetics is, to harness, har-- ugh,

harness high vibrational frequency
to shift your consciousness, to go

through the purification process, to
go-- be on your evolutionary journey.

Like, all these things matter in a
way, yet you're still gonna be evolving

whether you're, you are aware of these
things or not aware of these things.

You know, the choice for your evolution
doesn't include having to understand

fully astrology or human design
or even the mechanics of creation.

And at the same time, the recommendation
is to be on this journey intentionally

because it's going to provide smoothness.

It's gonna provide a more effortless or
take advantage of these, of these events

or to move through the events or your
evolution in a, um, in a supported way

That uplifts you and also holds you.

It's like self-care almost.

I'm done.

I am complete.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: What were you gonna say?

Sorry, I started rambling.

I'm

Michael: gonna, I'm gonna share
that, but there, there's a kind

of a sequence to the whole thing

So I remember, uh, when I was learning
human design, one of the aspects of

human design is that it has the daily
weather, it has the daily imprint of the,

of the planets and so on, and how that
activates and, uh, you know, creates a,

a, an, like a, a shift in what your b-
you know, moment to moment human design

activation is in that, you know, for that,
for that day, for that hour, for, you

know, until the, the, the planet moves out
of whatever transit it's in, and so on.

And I was looking at this to figure
out, okay, well, when should I do

which activities and, you know, using
this information to engage my mind.

And then, first of all, the,
the first thing I noticed was

that it was just a lot of work.

Like, it's a lot of thinking and
trying to plan and trying to, you

know, finagle our way through it.

And what I realized, m- I mean, it
was, it was a good experience, but

what I realized through this is that
my intuition automatically pulls

me to whatever's correct based on
whatever's opening up in my design.

So, you know, if there's a time for,
you know, when it's good to just

go inward and be creative because
that's what was being activated,

then that's what I'd feel like doing.

So what I noticed is that there was
this automatic draw in my being.

So, so we're automatically drawn to what
is beneficial for us without knowing

the daily weather of the planets and
how they're shifting your, your design.

And so what, what I…

So this ties in with the bigger topic,
which is this whole work is about

getting out of the mind or- Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm … or purifying ourselves so
that the low frequency thought patterns

of the mind, which are in the deviation,
which are what's causing our, the

reality we don't want, what's causing
the, the challenges in our life, is

that we're not abiding by those, right?

And so you'd think, here's, here's,
here's the deal, is like we can't

use the mind to get out of the mind.

We can't use the mind to get out of
the mind, and so that's why, you know,

there's this, this beautiful, beautiful
series of movies called Star Wars.

And, you know, the, the,
the, the c- the, the basic w-

Audree: Hold on.

You're going on a tangent.

No,

Michael: this is- I

Audree: just wanna, I just wanna say, add-

Michael: This is a sequence.

I'm coming

Audree: back to you.

I- I just wanna add one thing to what
you're saying, is this work puts you

in effortless flow with creation.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Okay, go ahead.

Star Wars.

Michael: No, it's okay.

You can jump in.

So, so in Star Wars they say,
you know, "Use the force," right?

Mm-hmm.

I mean, that's the, that's kind of the,
the, the, the teaching is open your

being so you're understanding the flow of
creation, and you're using that instead of

your mind, which is, you know, populated
with things for the deviation, right?

This is the, you know, Luke Skywalker
turns off the, the, you know, the, the

targeting system and just does it by
feel and just uses the feelings to guide.

And, um, I'm not talking about
feelings in the kind of human

sense, I'm talking about the bigger
sense of our expanded consciousness

connected to the flow of creation.

And so when we look at it that way, and
we come back to this notion of looking

at your daily weather to figure out what
you should be doing that day or when

you should do this thing, it means that
you're actually deepening your allegiance

to having the mind try to figure it
out from this deviated construct.

And so in a way, whether it's the
Human Design daily weather or it's

astrology, you're actually in a way,
um, kind of binding yourself deeper.

So from that perspective-

Audree: Deeper into devi-

Michael: Into the deviation Yes … into
the being stuck in the mind- Mm-hmm

… into blocking your evolutionary journey.

So from, from that perspective, which is-

Audree: You're actually limiting yourself.

Michael: Yeah.

So from that perspective, which is a
shift from where we were 10 minutes

ago in this conversation- … is that
th- it's actually a limiting factor.

Audree: Paradoxes.

Michael: It's ultimately a limiting
factor- Layers … because by specific-

and this is the, you know, you know,
this is where it can start to feel a

bit, a bit, you know- Moving beyond
the edge of the map when we say,

"Well, how do I not use my mind?"

And that's what the journey is.

Because, uh, I mean, you, you will use
your mind once it's cleaned up and so on.

But r- you know, on the, the journey
of your evolution, l- listening to what

your mind is telling you may be, like,
kind of the biggest limiting factor.

And if we come back to the Star Wars
movies, it's like, you know, in,

you know, the Jedi state of, instead
of y- use the Force or listen to

the Force, it's listen to source.

Listen to your beingness, the depth of
your beingness for what feels correct.

And of course, you know, if you haven't
spent time building up this faculty,

which most people on the planet
haven't, then it's kinda like, well,

you know, well, where do I start?

And, and I think that's where, you know,
what our whole training program is, is

how do we start to access our being and
start getting that awareness that allows

us to start moving out of the distorted
constructs we're attached to and start

to open up to, to the possibility.

Audree: Right.

And- 'Cause currently, without that work,
the mind itself is abiding in, in deviated

concepts, and understanding, and thoughts,
and belief systems, and perceptions.

And all that needs to c- be
cleared up first, and it's,

it's not just psychological.

It's energetic, and it's physical And
we keep saying this over and over.

Yeah.

I mean, because we're- It's- … we're
here describing the evolutionary journey-

Yeah … and what's happening to you.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Yeah, so to go back, the, the one
thing I wanted to interject when you

were sharing earlier- Mm-hmm … was
you know how you say you kinda look

out at all the different things and
kinda get your feels and- Mm-hmm

and it, it's, it's like in the
movie, um, Men in Black where they

look at the National Enquirer.

Love, oh, I love that.

They look at this, like, tabloid,
kind of, you know, you know, really

flaky- They read the National Enquirer
to understand what's happening.

Yeah, they look at this to find, to find
the, you know, the kinda the real news.

And, and so that's … And so,
so there, there's two important

mechanics at play there.

Audree: Oh, my God, my whole entire
right side is, like, tingling.

Michael: Right?

Right?

And it's like, well, so, so when
Audrey says, "Listen to news,"

or, "Watch the news," um, we-

Audree: You have to have discernment.

Michael: Yeah, well, this is the

Audree: thing.

And it's a very advanced skill, sorry.

Michael: Well, that's
part two of the mechanic.

Part one is to just be open to
learning from information around

you, wherever it comes from.

Mm-hmm.

And p- part two is what Audrey just
said, which is discernment, which

is that m- that the development of
your ability to, to detect truth

of matter- Hmm … is essential.

Because if you hear something and you
believe it, and it turns out to be, uh, in

f- A lie … yeah, a lie, which kind of it
is anyway, um, you know, that's where it

can really get, get one in a lot of soup.

So that's why, uh, w- we're kind of
saying take it with a grain of salt.

Audree: I ha- I have a
great example of this.

For some people here, you will go
to, uh, a, a healer or a tarot card

reader or a, you know, whatever
alternative, you know, concept.

Michael: Or you'll go to science.

Audree: Yeah.

Well, I'm just saying in the
alternative- Yeah … in the

alternative, um, thing, you know?

And they'll be like, "Oh,
this is your past life."

Or you'll meet somebody that's, like,
in that, you know, in that new age-y

kind of perceptions and m- behaviors
and, and say, and they'll be like, "Oh,

this w- was who you are in a past life.

We were together in a past life,"
or ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, whatever.

You know?

Um, "You were this in a past life."

And I, I'm gonna, I, because
this is my industry and this is

what I do and I'm highly trained,
um- You can't believe them.

And this is, this is gets you caught up
in a lot of bullshit and a lot of … You

know, we're all searching for identity
or meaning, and we can really get

The mind tries to grasp on any
concept that's gonna give meaning

and relevance to your life.

And so the mind … This is where the,
you know, the mind … You can't do

this work, kind of work with the mind,
or the knife can never cut itself.

Because the mind doesn't know
how to have discernment until

there's a purification process and
there's a retraining of the mind.

And discernment and truth of matter
cannot be figured out with the mind.

And, you know, even when I do past
life work with my clients, I never,

ever, ever tell them who they are.

Ever.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: I allow them to figure it out
for themselves, and I'll be there in

facilitating the session But I'll, I'll
… It's like I don't lead the witness.

And I ask ver- I ask questions
that are open, that they tell me

what they see, what they feel,
what they are experiencing.

And I'm trained and skilled enough in, in,
in this work where I can see, feel, and

understand exactly what's happening, and
all I'm doing is validating what they see.

So it's a- I don't even say anything.

I just say, "Okay, what do you see?

What do you feel?

What are you experiencing?"

And they'll say, "Oh, I'm being
burned up in a fire right now,"

and that's what I see, and what I
know, and what I'm experiencing.

And I say, "Okay, what else?"

I don't even say, "Oh, yeah, I see you.

You're in a fire and you're, you know,
burning at the stake," da, da, da, da.

I don't say any of that.

I just say, "Okay, what else?"

Mm.

And I keep going from there.

Mm.

It … This is really important, I guess,
discernment- Mm … on this journey.

Michael: Yeah.

And, uh-

Audree: The false light worker.

Michael: What you're reminding me of
is, uh, when we look at the, the, the

actual mechanic, that the mind in its
deviated form is a fantastic storyteller.

Mm.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: You know?

They call it, you know, in
certain teachings, the imposter.

The, uh, the thing that's pretending
it's you when it's not really you.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And, uh, there's a wonderful
movie called Revolver around that.

It's One Who Wakes tradition.

And- I think what I wanna just
highlight here, this, this kinda

come up as, as we're in this state
of the training journey, is that

it is a fantastic storyteller.

You know, a fantastic storyteller.

That's why we love stories.

That's why we love movies.

That's why we tell our own stories.

You know what I'm talking about, people.

You know, when something happens and
you make up a story in your head, right?

And you find out later, you
know, it, oh, it's not true,

it's just a story in my head.

Like, that, that, that is what it is.

And, you know, if I go back to when I
was studying artificial intelligence

research and I read The Man Who Mistook
His Wife for a Hat and Other Neurological

Tales, the word, I mean, this is the
word that stuck out for me like, like a

shining beacon, is, and this is a direct
quote, it says, "The mind confabulates."

What confabulate means, it's a fancy
word for saying the mind tells stories.

It makes up stuff.

Makes shit

Audree: up.

Michael: It just makes up stuff.

Like, there was this one very vivid
example where the, the kinda the right

brain was seeing one thing and the left
brain was seeing something else, and I

can't remember exactly what was going on.

But it's like, well, to make sense of
the image that it was seeing, um, you

know, but it's like the, the conscious
mind could only have sort of one image.

Anyway, so what ha- what happened is,
was just a beautiful example of how the

mind can take things that don't make
any sense at all together and put them

together and say, "Hey, this makes sense."

I mean, that is its power.

And that is the deviated structure that
you are navigating in your consciousness.

And the only way out, the only way out
of this, is through your awareness,

because your awareness is what leads
you to your beingness that allows your

being to arrive in a place of stability,
that allows the mind to be held, to calm

down, to purify fully, and come back
to its original intention, which is to

create with ease, and joy, and grace

Audree: That is why it is so
important to be stable during

doing this work, and that's what
the grounding meditation is for.

You know what's-- I'm being reminded of?

Remember when we did…

So we had our academy here.

We had nine people here, and it
was a level two academy course

that we called Jedi School, people.

We just can't use the term Jedi
School because Disney owns it.

Um

Do you remember?

It was the first academy that…

I think it was the first
academy that we had here.

I mean, even, even David was here.

Mm-hmm.

So it must have been the first academy.

Mm-hmm.

Was it a level one course?

Michael: It was level one, yeah.

Audree: It was a level one course.

Yeah.

And we ta- we taught, we showed them

We were t-talking about or
showing them some movie clip

where the mind makes shit up

Or was it a revolver
in the elevator moment?

But we, like, blew them up

It was like the first day, this is what
the, this is what the academy will be.

This is what your week will be.

This is what we're doing here,
and we just blew them up.

Michael: That's your favorite thing.

Audree: They never, they never really
truly recovered from that moment.

I mean, there were,
there were some that did.

We did, we did an advanced
level three the week before,

and then we had the level two.

So we had amped up the
energy of the house already.

I think the level three people were
trying to … You know, here's the thing.

Your mind is grasping for identity.

It's, that's the reason why it's making
up stories, and the mind wants to exist.

And, and so there's all these things
going on in the, in the psychological

makeup of your being that you are
confronting during your evolutionary

journey because that's what it's about.

The old ways of being, your perceptions,
your beliefs, your behaviors are

all kind of, um, you know, taken
hostage by the subconscious.

So you gotta go in and you
gotta confront these things.

You have to confront your
subconscious, and when you do that,

you know, the mind gets caught.

You know?

The subconscious gets
caught, the mind gets caught

It's like catching a thief

And it's very confrontational, and, and
people get s- you know, people get scared.

People don't, don't want change What

Michael: do you mean
I'm in self-deception-

Audree: Yeah

… Michael: m- most of the time?

Audree: I'm not in self-deception.

Michael: More like I'm
not aware that I'm in

Audree: self-deception.

Michael: Right.

Which is true.

Audree: And then when you
have the awareness, then it's

like, "Oh my God, who am I?"

Or, "Oh my God, I'm a total,
you know, asshole, and I'm

totally selfish, and I…"

You could see all the behaviors
behind that, that one, you

know, that one concept.

And - Mm-hmm … you really
need to be ready for that.

Mm.

You need to be stable.

You need to be okay in saying, "Okay,
I'm, I'm gonna have the courage

to look, to see what's happening,"
'cause when you have that awareness,

it immediately starts a, um

An unbinding.

It immediately starts
that, uh, that unraveling.

So those, those patterns do not
have power over you anymore.

And I, and, and we, we've talked
about this before, but it's like when

you do not know the real mechanics
of creation, you don't understand

why awareness works the way it does.

You don't have intentionality.

You don't have the ability to understand
the mechanics of creation enough to, to

allow that to take you on the journey.

Michael: Uh, I, I think it's
more … I'd actually refine that a bit.

I'd say, you know, a lot of people
have an intention for evolution.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: However, one actually needs
the tools to go on the journey.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Like, intention
is the starting place.

Audree: Well, a lot of pe- a lot of
training programs have the tools.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: It's, it's, you know,
any, any self-improvement, you

know, there's, there's at least-

six really good teachers on this
planet right now that can take, that

are taking people through personal
growth and evolution programs, and

they're not teaching the full truth.

I could say that.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Partial solutions.

Audree: Well, if you're not getting what
we're telling you here in those programs,

you know … And now I'm gonna say a lot
of, a lot of teachers also watch other

people and, and see what they're talking
about, and then they just snap up those

… Michael: Yeah.

Audree: It happens all the time, but they
snap up whatever you're doing, whatever

you put on your website, whatever you're
talking about on your, on your podcast,

and they snap it up as, as their teaching.

So, you know

I, I don't even know what to say anymore.

Michael: Well, coming back to, um,
the mechanics of, uh, planetary

positioning, um, I did get a download
while I was contemplating it.

Audree: Oh.

Michael: Um,

and it seems the time to share it now.

Which is that, uh-

Human design and astrology are actually
talking about different things, which I've

known for a long time, um, that they have

They're, they're, they're, they're
not, they're different systems

that have different purposes.

But what I got today, uh, was that it's
like the forest and the trees, right?

Mm.

And so with, with human design,
you're basically getting bark burn.

Like, you're so close up to the,
the tree, you're like, "Okay, tree.

Right here."

And this microscopic
detail of the tree, right?

When I say the tree, that'd be like
the planetary impact on your imprint,

and on imprints generally, and the
mutational process that happened to that.

Audree: That- Right, like
the specific nutrients

Michael: and- The very, very speci-
very, very, very specific … filters.

Whereas, you know, astrology's more
like the big picture, the flow.

And, and what ha- is interesting about
astrology is it captures something

very, very important, which is it's,
it's about the transformational

nature of life and the evolution- Mm.

Mm-hmm … the evolutionary nature of
life i- in a way that, that's really

I mean, that's just not present
at all in, in human design.

Um, you know, daily imprint
and so on, and, and okay.

I mean, there are evolution mechanics
in there, but they're, they're of a

different, they're a different nature.

They're very, in their very kind
of mechanical- Yeah … level,

whereas the astrology … And I
think, I think this is where, why

astrology's often, like, it's very

I mean, I haven't seen anyone get
100% correct with astrology be-

because it's more like broad tapestry.

Because if you have a broad tapestry
description, there's no longer,

there's no longer, like, that precision
because it's a, it's a tapestry.

It's like a amalgamation of the,
the kind of the whole arc of

the, the wh- the whole thing.

Um, and I'm saying that in
terms of, like, um, one aspect.

The other aspect is, um, which people are
doing a very good job with, with some of

the things that you, you've been playing
that I've, I've heard a little bit of,

they're doing a very good job with the,
the specific mechanics of, well, this

portal does this kind of thing, and so on.

Like, we went-

Audree: Because of this- Oh,

Michael: that's what it was.

We went through-

… Audree: planetary transit

Michael: happening … we
went through the four baskets.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Or the basket with four things.

I don't know what it was called.

Audree: Oh, it was the-

Michael: Yeah

… Audree: something basket.

Michael: I remember there was
something big that happened

in- B- b- … July, but yeah

Audree: Balo- Ba- Ber- Yeah, I don't
know … Beroits, Beloits basket.

Michael: No.

No, bath- I, it doesn't matter.

Anyway,

Audree: we're- Parbalt.

Michael: Yeah.

So, so anyway.

Audree: Parbalt's basket.

Michael: Anyway, so, so i- it,
so it was very interesting.

While there's some very specific
mechanics, there's also an aspect of it

that's much more kind of general tapestry.

And so- Mm-hmm … astrology
has that mix in it.

So that, that's my, that's
kind of the download I got.

Audree: You know what I'm getting
right now as you're, you're talking?

The g- download that I got was that, um-

You know how in our courses we go
from, like you can find in our Leading

Evolutionary Organizations course,
you can find everything, all the

concepts are tau- taught in that course

But they're not

You can't see everything

Michael: They're, they're,
they're there deeply disguised.

Not, not intentionally disguised.

It's just they're there, but
we're teaching the surface

level- Mm-hmm … that people can
understand from a business context.

Audree: Right.

And the way we teach- … is we
teach level one, then we go to

level two, then we do the academy.

Like, you have to … Like, humans
learn in little bit of, little pieces,

and you can't give the whole thing
all at once because the person's

consciousness needs to shift in order to
receive the next piece of information.

And so what I see with astrology,
'cause astrology's been on the planet

for a very, very long time, it's
ancient, and, you know, uh, human

design is l- astrology, I Ching, and
new information all put together.

And so it, what I'm seeing is it's
that humanity has been getting

dumps of information that is
needed according to the level of

consciousness that humanity's been at.

And so I, I … It feels right to me
that, you know, astrology's been on the

planet for a long time and accepted.

I Ching's been on the planet
for a long time and accepted.

It's like there's … If it, if
it's not that way, humanity has a

hard time receiving the information

Michael: Mm

Audree: Yeah。

Sitting in our living
room talking about stuff

Michael: So I've got a question for you.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: I d- I don't have an answer.

Audree: Okay.

Michael: That's why it's a real question.

So-

Audree: What is my favorite color?

Michael: No, no, no, we don't want
anyone ejected from the bridge.

So the question is-

Audree: What is the air
velocity speed of a swallow?

Michael: Uh, no

When I think about the evolutionary
journey and the mechanics, and there's

this, this kind of like this thing
of, well, you know, is this needed?

Is this piece needed?

Is that piece needed?

W- uh, or discovering, oh my gosh,
this is the most important piece,

and it's been there the whole time.

And, and so where I am right now,
and this is tying in with our,

our conversation, uh, is w- where,
where do you see human design?

I mean, I know earlier, or, you
know, or, you know, the, the kind of

like the canon of where we've been
previously is that, oh, well, it's

really important to understand the
mechanics of your incarnation so that

it's, it's this kind of, this first
kind of kata to overcome the mind.

Mm-hmm.

Right?

To overcome the conditioning, the program.

It's a purification process.

It

Audree: also aligns you with
the universal structures-

Michael: Mm-hmm

Audree: Of, you know, what and who you
are at that level of consciousness.

So that's what you're
asking because- Well,

Michael: I'm ask- well, I'm

Audree: wondering whether we- Eventually
you transcend all of it I know.

Michael: I'm just wondering
whether we can skip it.

Audree: Skip it completely?

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: No.

Mm-mm.

I- I'll … And, and this is why, because
… So folks, when I had my human design read,

that cost $400, $450 for that reading,
and she just gave me a report and

then basically just read the report.

I can't stand when people do that.

I had an art history teacher, so boring,
art history at university level one

He just read exactly what I read
in the book and showed us the

pictures that were in the book.

It was so boring.

I learned nothing.

Um, I didn't even have
the correct birth time.

Remember that?

So I thought I was a generator-

Michael: Oops.

… Audree: for many years

And then when we had that discovery
just at the academy when this,

one of our students was just
like, "This doesn't feel like me.

This doesn't feel like me."

She went home and was like, called us,
"Hey Michael You did my birthday wrong,

'cause she did, w- gave us the European
numbers and we were doing the North

Michael: American numbers Yeah, yeah.

Fun fact, Europe and North
America choose to put month

first or day first differently.

Audree: Yes.

And, and it turns out that
her, her human design, her type

was a totally different type.

She wasn't a generator, she was a
manifestor, and it changed everything.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And that's when
we're like, "Oh, shit.

We need to use the technique that
we use for truth of matter," not

our minds, not even what was written
on people's birth certificate.

Michael: To actually check.

Audree: Actually check the truth of
matter, and we started to find out

that people's birth times were wrong.

Because you have to understand, at
the time of birth, the people, the

nurses and the doctors don't give a
shit about the time of your birth.

Well, they- They care about
the health of the baby- Yeah

and what's going on in the delivery room.

And f- for me, not only were they
caring about what was going on in

the delivery room, but I was being
given up for adoption in the '60s.

So they were already hiding, they
needed to hide information anyways.

So, so when we discovered,
we started discovering that

people's birth times were wrong,

and days were wrong.

Like, I mean, you know, it was
a significant, um, significant

information that was being, um,
not for anybody else's fault.

It's just, it was wrong information.

And so I went from a generator
to a projector, and when that

information shift shifted for me,
all of a sudden my life made sense.

My identity made sense.

My way of being started to make sense.

And, and- And

Michael: that's been a journey … and- I
mean, it's actually been a critical part.

Audree: Oh, yes.

Michael: Right?

Audree: Right?

And, and at the same time, like the, the
shattering of everything that I know about

myself has been, that's been the journey.

And for projectors especially, stepping
into being a projector and what that means

and, and overcoming the, uh, the, the
conditions of society and how we function,

you know, the homogenization- Mm-hmm

of humanity.

H- uh, projectors especially
have to go through that.

And Ra Uru Hu says it takes seven
years for a projector to go through

that transformational process.

With our work, it took me-
Less than two years, yes?

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Yeah.

And, and I mean, I'm still moving
through the transformation, but it took

less than two years because it was, it
was accelerated and amplified on- I,

Michael: I think he meant
if it happens at all

Audree: If it happens at all,

Michael: yes.

Yeah, that would, that would
be like the best case kind of

Audree: thing.

Which is really difficult to be objective.

Michael: Because, because human design
does not come with the evolutionary tools.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Um, so, so yeah, so
what's going on for me is I'm just

remembering, it's like, well, how
would I do without this component?

How would I do…

H- how would I…

Like, and so what, the one that's
coming to my m- the foreground of

my mind right now is the, remember
the dis- the, the thinking patterns?

Like, with the, you know, with-
Yeah … like, your possibility, I'm

looking at what's needed and so on,
and looking at how we'd go to our, you

know, go to the dark side really go to
the c- you know, the, the, the opposite

of how we're supposed to function
and, and, and you know, I remember how

profound it was to get that unlock.

Audree: I think-

Michael: Right?

And,

Audree: and it- … human design makes
it easier and faster to discover,

like, who you are and why you're here
and, and all those unlocks happen much

faster when you have human design.

And, like we tell our students- Yeah
… don't get lost in it because eventually

you will transcend human design.

No, we actually

Michael: tell our students,
"Don't, don't go into human design.

You know, u- use the work
that we give you that's been

navigated-" "… specifically-"
Mm-hmm … which is evolutionary design.

We actually tell them
to, to avoid going there.

But, um, anyway, the, what I just
got now is that the, the whole of a,

you call it awakening our awareness
to the truth of what we are and our

beingness, that's a, that's a generic.

Like, that's true for a-
every, every sentient being.

What I just realized about human design
is it gives us like this, uh, it's not

human design, I mean, but evolutionary
design gives us the mechanisms to harness

human design to give us those specific
unlocks- Mm-hmm … that we need-

Audree: Mm-hmm

… Michael: that we need to, to go through
this journey rapidly and easily.

Audree: You know why?

Because we've been spending over 10
years, 10 years together- Mm-hmm … but

longer individually on our, our separate
journeys before we met each other.

Looking for the shortcuts, looking
for the fastest way to evolve

That's what we've been doing

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Well, so, so anyway, so looking at it for,
as a, as a, a, you know, theoretically

as a mathematician- As one of these

and a scientist, which is my, my, how
I roll, uh, you know, I think there

may be a theoretical endpoint where
at some point it's not needed or like

the, where the field is, is strong
enough that people can just use the

general, general technology rather than
having to navigate th- those specifics

of their, their, uh, their design.

Um, you know.

Audree: Well, even as we go further
year by year, the evolutionary

process for humanity will be easier.

Michael: Yeah.

So that's, that's what I'm thinking
'cause- Yeah … really just

Yeah, so that's what we're seeing.

Things are getting easier and faster.

So-

Audree: I have to go to the bathroom.

Michael: Yeah.

Well, uh, we're almost ready to close.

Do you wanna- No, no,

Audree: no … it's just

Michael: time.

Well, I'll just pause.

Go.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: So I had this realization that

Evolutionary design, what we teach people

Audree: Oh, we didn't say we're back

… Michael: is, is, i- it's
obvious from the content

Is, is all a mechanism for purifying

our being and purifying our mind

That's what it's for.

And I was thinking about even something
just very basic of understanding, you

know, our type, you know, generator,
projector, manifestor, and so on,

that we're so deeply conditioned to
be, operate against our principles.

Now, from a th- again, I'm talking
about this theoretical question.

Well, you know, theoretically, if, if
we're connected in with source, and we

a- and we're, we're just flowing with
source as the flow of creation, free of

all the conditioning, then, you know,
we're, you know, then, then we don't need

the knowledge of human design, clearly.

Mm-hmm.

Like, there's no…

Or the astrology or this or that,
'cause we're just flowing with creation.

However, to get there, that requires
letting go, and that's where the,

the evolutionary design plays its
role, is the very specific, uh,

bindings that we're in based on how
society has programmed us, right?

That's why, you know, h- you
know, Ra talks about people

being homogenized, right?

How we're programmed.

And so it gives the very specific
mechanisms to break out of

that programming and purify.

Audree: Well, what's really interesting, I
remember in the beginning, even astrology,

but more so when I found out about human
design, my first insight, this, like,

explosion of a shift in consciousness, was
we are programmed at birth and beforehand.

Like, we are- Mm … locked into a
program, regardless of if you believe

it or not, because w- with human design,
the information is s- is so accurate.

Michael: L- l- let's clarify.

There's no mistaking.

When you say, when you say we are, would
you say the, the biological mechanism

that is housing your consciousness-

Audree: Yeah

… Michael: is in a program?

Audree: The body.

Michael: Whether you think
that's you or not, but the, the,

the, the, the whole structure.

Well, let

Audree: me move.

Let me move.

Yeah, sorry.

So, so it's so obvious when you see
human design, 'cause it's so accurate.

Now, human design, just knowing your
chart doesn't guarantee that you

behave in such a way, and th- but
that opening in my consciousness of

understanding and accepting that we
are pre-programmed also helped me to

deepen my awareness of the programming
of society and how we're programmed

against the very nature of our being.

We're programmed to be homogenous.

We're all programmed to be the same
And yet each person is individually

programmed, and when they're
aligned in the nature of the truth

of that programming that human
design shows you, brings you to,

you start to accept who you are.

It makes it easier to, to start
to really love yourself and want

to show up as how you're designed
within human design, and not…

And, and, you know, people
are deeply conditioned.

We're deeply conditioned as a
society, and there needs to be

something there, a structure.

You know, it's really difficult to
move out of a structure unless you

have another structure to fall into
that will hold you, and hold you, and

hold you, and hold you as you move
through the evolutionary process.

That's why what I see with humanity
is that unless we have the knowledge,

the tools, and techniques to go
on an evolutionary journey and be

held and supported through that
journey, we will not transform.

Mm.

That's the kind of the nature of humans.

Because everybody wants to improve,
but if they don't know how, they won't.

Mm.

If they're not held, and supported,
and cared for, and nurtured

through that transformation
process, they will not transform.

That's just the nature of it.

So human design gives you that support.

Our work gives you that support.

And, and eventually what we're starting
to move through in our evolutionary

journey now is letting go of all that
we knew beforehand, all the support.

Because eventually you,
right, eventually you

transcend all of it

In order to get to that transcendence

You need to be held through that,
uh, uh, an evolutionary process

and a purification process.

You can't just jump into transcendence.

It's too destabilizing

I know you p-picked up the
phone and you said we're done.

Well,

Michael: I, I, you know- I'm, I'm
gonna quit … 'cause we're in this

protocol of not interrupting each other.

That's what I realized.

Yeah.

It's actually a very good protocol.

It

Audree: is a

Michael: great protocol.

Because it's not, uh, invasive.

It's not interrupting.

Audree: Yeah.

So thank you.

Michael: So why don't, why
don't we take three minutes?

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Okay.

Three minutes.

E2 mantra.

Seat of beingness.

Go.

Thank you for joining us.

Gillespie Evolutionary