If You Think You've Got It Figured Out, You're Doomed
Michael: So welcome to our living room.
So I was just saying to Audrey for the
first time ever, I'm really excited about
the prospect of a, a healing school.
And, uh, and she says, oh, well, let's
put it on a microphone and record.
Okay.
So, so, so Audrey.
Audree: Well, first I said, why?
Michael: Yeah, why?
And
Audree: then I was like, oh, wait
Michael: a
Audree: minute.
Michael: Yeah, she was startled.
This is, this is like a off
brand, if you wanna call it that.
Um, and so just for a bit of
context, we've just completed a, a
channeling session with our guides.
The she and, uh, and the whole
conversation was about, you know, what's
going on with, um, the healing of mental
illness as, uh, really just cracks in the
energetic field and then, um, you know,
different, different sort of structures
that have formed as a result of that.
And that, you know, there, there, there
is a way out that's not just purely
energetic, but is a mix of, of, you know,
west and, you know, um, I guess, you know,
technologies of energetics and evolution.
I'm summarizing this as best I
understand, if you can chime in
later if I'm getting things wrong.
But, um, and, uh, and that,
you know, people can be started
like even now on this program
with the grounding meditation.
And then after two weeks
when life hits you.
Uh, audios, these transformational
audios, and then, you know, supporting
that with, you know, counseling and,
you know, medical professionals to get
off medication and, and so on and so on.
And that was really the start of, of
kind of this whole thing and what we're,
what we're, what I was seeing though.
So, so anyway, do, do you want
me to keep, I'll keep going.
Going and then you can chime in.
So, so what I was seeing, I'm
Audree: fascinated by what you're saying.
So,
Michael: yeah.
And so, so what,
Audree: so wait, so just go back.
So the, she were, 'cause the, she
were talking, there's a part in the
book evolutionary energetics where
there was a, like a warning
or an ask that people that are
on, um, psychiatric medication.
Not just mental illness, but even
just like, you know, like smaller
things like just anxiety medication
Michael: or any A DH ADHD type stuff
Audree: or Yeah, that, um,
that they refrain from doing
the exercises in the book.
And then I, there was an
understanding of, wait a minute,
you know, we're looking at what.
When we're looking at these issues
like the medical industry does, that
there's something wrong with people
and there's nothing wrong with them,
it's just that the medical system
itself is, is, has no ability to cure.
Especially mental illness and
the way they're treating it.
So, okay.
So, so that's where
this is all coming from,
Michael: right?
'cause it was like, go ahead.
We, we, because Right.
We needed to explore this topic because
we're completing the writing of Evolution
Energetics, and this was a section and
it's like, and it's like, Ooh, how do
I handle this in a way that's clean and
correct for where the energies are now?
Audree: Yeah.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Anyway, so, so why I was excited.
Why I was excited about the, the Healing
School is 'cause I can see that, um,
that there are people who want to
evolve that are in these situations
and they're the ones in the most need.
They're the ones in the
most desperate need.
And, uh, I think there was an aspect
of really just being, like, having
compassion for that suffering and
then out of that compassion, having
a desire to do something about it.
And, you know, we're not in the business
of, of, of doing one-on-one sessions.
That's what you did, you know,
10 years ago or more right.
Than 15 years ago with, you know,
working on a medical team and so on.
Like, we're in the business of
enabling those people who have
training in that area or have desire
in their area to, to function as that.
And what I see is that it's.
Um, you know, there's a need to set up the
healing school to, to train those people
so that there is a possibility of hope.
Otherwise, there's no
hope for these people.
Well, even like they need a shaman.
We need to train the shamans.
Audree: I mean, even, even first
responders that are, are coming
to, to a scene or a situation where
somebody's having a psychotic break.
Right, and immediately what
they do is they arrest them.
So they put them in handcuffs.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: They subdued the person with
heavy, um, tranquilizers and medication,
and then they put them in a psychiatric
unit so that they could be heavily
medicated and then observe to see if
they are harmful to themselves or others.
And then the doctor from there
makes a call of what to do.
Hmm.
Michael: Well, I, I, I would went
to a completely different place.
I heard first responder.
I was thinking like even just somebody.
You know, a paramedic showing up at
a situation that, you know, maybe the
first thing that they do is actually
play environment purification, or
they have it playing in a loop silent.
Exactly.
And, and like the, the
situation immediately starts
to start to resolve itself.
Audree: Right.
Michael: Right.
And so that whatever action they
take can be much more beneficial.
Audree: Right.
Michael: But then going back to what
you said about psychotic break, I
mean, I thought, you know what the
person actually needs is, you know,
Audree: a quiet room
Michael: close,
Audree: what.
Michael: It's from, uh, the movie Soul.
What the, uh, the guide
said, quiet coyote.
Audree: Quiet coyote.
Michael: Quiet coyote.
Audree: I know, right?
Michael: That's what they need.
Audree: That's what they need.
Michael: They just need a quiet coyote.
Yeah.
And they just need to be held.
Audree: Yeah.
Michael: And this is your vision, right,
of having these emergency rooms mm-hmm.
Where people could be brought in
to a safe space and they could just
listen to audios with headphones on.
Right,
Audree: right.
It's environmentally calm.
Michael: Yeah.
Audree: Everything is safe.
They're held, there's
weighted blankets and pillows.
Michael: Yeah, exactly.
Audree: You
Michael: know, the, like,
Audree: the whole,
you
Michael: know, there's a,
there's a washroom within you.
The washroom.
There's a kitchen with food and snacks.
Audree: Yeah.
Yeah.
Michael: You know, and they can just
sit there and listen and then they
can listen to, you know, whatever.
Like, you know, a grounding meditation.
Audree: Right.
And
Michael: then there's nervous
system reset when life hits you.
Audree: There's people that are, that
are working with their energy field.
'cause that's what the, she said
they, the, she said that at some
point when, when, uh, an incarnation
becomes so damaged through trauma
Michael: mm-hmm.
Audree: That it's not a choice for them.
Anymore.
It's not like, oh, I'm choosing, they're
choosing that they gotta fix themselves.
It's like it went beyond that.
The reason why it's uncurable
mental illness is because.
We're not addressing the
energetics of the situation.
So while the person is, you know, in a
safe environment where they're held and
with people that know what's happening
with the, with the correct, um, tools to
help them, there's also somebody that's
addressing the energetics in, in, in, in.
Michael: Oh, I get
Audree: it.
Transforming the energetics of the person.
They're doing all the work for the person.
Because the person can't do, they
can no longer do it for themselves.
Michael: Right.
So what, so, so there's a paradox here.
So there's choice.
There's choice for that person.
Say, I want help.
Right?
That's,
Audree: no, they're beyond.
I want help.
Michael: They don't.
Audree: When you're in a psychotic break
Michael: Yeah.
Audree: And you're running around tearing
off your clothes and saying you're God.
Michael: Yeah.
I don't know a lot about this, so
Audree: there's, there's
no, oh, I want help.
Okay.
You're beyond that.
And so what happens in a
psychotic break is you crack open.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: Because your
field is already cracked,
Michael: right.
Audree: The, something happens
and it cracks completely open.
Usually the first thing that
happens is you experience.
Source?
Mm-hmm.
Like you experience that high vibrational
frequency, and then immediately what
happens is fear comes in because then
they're so open, they're experiencing
the environment around them, which
is a family member or somebody in
public or whatever that doesn't
understand what's happening to them.
They're in fear.
Or there's fear in the environment.
There's music that is a low vibrational
frequency, or there's the TV that's
on that's a low vibrational frequency,
or they're in the city, which is
also low vibrational frequency's.
Michael: Is it just external or is
it their internal structures as well?
Like it, the, uh, it's, it's
like, you know, their own internal
fears and their own internal, like
Audree: all the distortions.
It's all it, it's all
Michael: of
Audree: it.
It's all, it's
Michael: all of
Audree: it.
External and internal.
All of it's happening at once, but
usually the first thing that happens
in the, in the break, and I, so first
of all, I'm not a medical professional
and I haven't studied this fully.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: The only experience that I
have of doing my own research was when
I worked at, um, alternative to Meds.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: And I worked in, in
every single one of them that
was there was getting off.
Um, uh.
Prescribed psychiatric medication
and what they were, what happened?
I started asking everyone there,
'cause I was only a care provider.
I was not like on the medical team.
I, you know, now that I
think about it, I wish,
Michael: no, that was really weird because
you were trained as a medical healer.
So
Audree: Yeah, but I, I'm not
in, in the medical profession.
That doesn't mean anything.
Michael: Right.
Audree: Do you understand?
Michael: No, I, I, I,
Audree: so, so I was just there.
Michael: So it was alternative meds,
but it wasn't that alternative,
Audree: right?
I mean, they, you have, I mean, for legal
purposes, you have to have a medical team.
No.
Understand.
And medical
Michael: professionals No, I understand.
Understand.
But I'm saying the, the spectrum, it
wasn't all as alternative, like say Dr.
Mitchell's practice, where, you
know, there were healers on staff
and you know that the energetics
were part of the whole thing, right.
Audree: No, there was none of that.
Michael: Wow.
That's that the, now that it
strikes me is just so bizarre.
Audree: And what they were doing was,
it was a drug rehabilitation center.
It was a detox center because it was doing
it alternatively, meaning they were taking
people off of psychiatric medication
and they were, uh, using supplements.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: And nutrition.
And, um, the, and their, their
protocols were, uh, were detoxing
through, um, through, uh.
What are those saunas?
Michael: Right.
So what I'm saying is that
they had a protocol they were
using, which is the alternative.
Audree: That was alternative.
Yeah.
But
Michael: they weren't going
to what we're talking about.
They weren't some future thing that we're
talking about, which is like an even which
is beyond, which is like a shamanic, like
you know, an energetically supported, I
wanna say you don't wanna use the word
shamonic 'cause it's too much connotation.
Yeah.
But in like an energetically supported
and medically supported environment.
Audree: Well, I just wanna say one thing.
There are.
Those rehab centers that do
bring in shamans and they're
addressing things energetically.
And it's still not enough
because it's all training that
was within the deviation itself.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So there was always half truths there.
Mm-hmm.
So it wasn't like fully activated,
um, with the protocols needed
to address mental illness.
Michael: Right.
So we're talking about a
next generation type of
Audree: Yes.
Michael: Possibility.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, so anyway, that's super exciting.
Audree: Yeah.
Anyway, so, so
how
Michael: do we get there?
And I'm thinking like, okay, well we
need to have, um, 'cause we're not, do
you and I are not doing the healings?
I mean, we're not, we're we're
not doing onesies anymore.
Right.
We're, we're looking, actually
looking after, um, like much,
much broader scope of impact.
Audree: No, I want, I wanna train healers.
Michael: I know.
So that's, that's the
broader scope of impact.
And so anyway, so I was fine.
So I'll get, I was excited
about the healing school.
Squirrel now that we've covered the backs.
Audree: Yeah.
Okay.
Michael: Well, no, this is all good.
I mean, this is all relevant and connected
and, and actually gives the context
and meaning of it, the whole thing.
Otherwise it'd just be like, what?
Um, yeah, so the reason I was excited is
because I see a, there's a need for this.
Like a critical need.
Audree: Mm-hmm.
Oh, critical.
Michael: Critical need.
Audree: Yeah.
Michael: Like, I mean, we
know personally people, yeah.
Like at least three people
who are in addict situations.
Or severe mental health situations.
Audree: Oh, I've had
clients and they, no, I'm
Michael: just talking about
right now in our field that
Audree: we,
Michael: well, I, I know, like, I know.
Anyway, so, so anyway, so there's a need.
Yeah.
One, two.
Two is, you know, one of the things that
we have right now I'm thinking about like
the mastery program, it's for, those are
people who wanna go all the way through.
Right.
And one of the things that
you've said, I mean, you've
said this to me for, you know.
Almost a decade now, you know,
I'm a slow learner is, okay, well
people are motivated by money,
they're motivated by significance.
That's the kind of the ego structure
and, and, and not just ego structure,
the need to survive on this planet.
Like we need to actually
look after ourselves.
So there's, and actually a
nurturing of our own self when
we look after a financial.
And so I thought, well, you know, when we.
When we move in the direction of,
of training healers, there's an
activation of someone, not just for
significance of, oh, I can do something
with my life and meaning and, and
so on, but oh, I can, I can do this.
I can finally be more
successful in my profession.
Or I can, I can help the people
I could never help before and
there's this activation within them.
Or I can use this to support a
career in making money and so on.
Right.
And, and helping myself
and helping the world.
And, and like, so all
this stuff gets activated.
So I was feeling into that
energetically and, and just
recognizing how amazing that was.
Audree: Mm-hmm.
Michael: And then I was like,
okay, well, you know, 'cause
I'm always about implementation.
I'm like, well, how do we do this?
And I thought, well, oh, this
is actually really simple.
It's not about, I was thinking, well,
do we get rid of the Mastery program
and just have the Healing School?
Maybe we just do that.
Like, and so what I got
to this, this is my pitch.
This is my idea.
This is what came to me, or I don't
know, I got outta the sheep planted in
my head or whatever's going on, but,
Audree: or I've told it to you.
You
Michael: already,
Audree: five years ago, you
Michael: told me five
years ago what we do.
Audree: Yes, Michael
Michael: is we have the Healing School
as an overlay on the mastery program.
And what that means is the people who are
doing the Mastery Program and the Healing
School are doing the same experience
together, and the Healing School have
additional sessions, virtual and, uh,
and I, I don't know if that means like
the, like we have the three episodes,
whether it's just, there's a fourth
episode that's for the Healing School.
I don't know about the
structure of it and all that.
But the, the idea was to do
it together as an overlay.
'cause what happens, what I was seeing
is there's this, there's this synergy of
value that happens for the people who are
looking at it from a healing perspective.
That's their number one.
And the people who are looking from
purely their own evolution perspective.
And there's an integration of the energies
where both groups uplift the other
groups because they have this diversity
of perspective, which you wouldn't get
if you just had the healing school.
You told me this before.
Oh
Audree: God.
You know what though?
I'm so glad you were listening.
I love you.
Michael: Well, I like, I
need, need to, you're amazing.
I need to under, I'm a, I'm a generator.
I need to understand the mechanics and
the structure and see it all happening.
Otherwise I can't create it.
Audree: It's true.
Michael: Right?
Uhhuh.
So if, if you say the idea, but I
don't understand the structure of it.
And I, I can't internalize,
it doesn't, doesn't stick.
Anyways,
Audree: let's, let's, let's
like move away from what we're
gonna do with our business.
'cause nobody really cares
Michael: anyway.
Audree: What is, what I think, I think
the, so what happened to me this morning
was I woke up with new perspectives
and, and I think that's where this all
started because of, I'm, I'm writing
evolutionary energetics and I needed to.
Uh, tweak some stuff, but I
don't, it, it something, it,
it wasn't even about the book.
It was about something.
And then, so just so people
that are listening know my,
my mother that adopted me,
how, how I was always told, and
the perspective that I always
held until this morning was
that my mother was mentally ill
and.
This caused a lot of, a lot of
hardship for her her whole life.
And me, my mom died recently,
like, um, in November, 2025.
That's, um, right after Thanksgiving,
Michael: did you say?
Three months ago.
Audree: So three months ago.
Yeah.
And I was thinking about
her being mentally ill.
And I was like seeing things
from a different perspective.
And the perspective was that
she wasn't mentally ill.
And I mean, that's the diagnosis from
the perspective of the deviation.
But what I was being shown was that
through trauma, her childhood trauma
caused cracks in her energy field.
Which we know allow lower
vibrational frequencies to come in
and it causes all kinds of damage.
And then as, as we've been
through our evolutionary journey,
we've been repairing those.
Cracks in our field, the lower vibrational
frequencies we've been removing, we've
been seeing how we created that, we,
um, taking ownership and responsibility
and removing those energies out of
our field in a purification process.
And my mom had no ability to do that.
And even if she had.
The knowledge and the tools and
techniques, the damage was so great
within her field that she couldn't
make those choices for herself.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: And that's what I was seeing.
And then I was seeing, you know, the whole
kind of the mechanics of mental illness
of how all of it, you know, happens and.
I've done a lot of perspectives,
energetic perspectives of
addiction, and it's the same.
It's exactly the same.
And so for the first time I was like, oh,
mental illness is not incurable.
And from a deviated perspective,
the medical community views it as
incurable and they, you know, plop on,
you know, they're just trying to get
rid of the symptoms with all kinds of
medication that creates more damage.
Michael: Hmm.
Audree: Know, instead of viewing
things from an energetic perspective.
And then I realized, oh, in, you know,
in ancient times, people that had.
Those kind of traumas that created cracks
in their field, went to a shaman and
the shamans, you know, handled things
energetically from the unseen world.
And that worked.
Michael: Hmm.
Audree: And then I started thinking of
the song from Guardians of the Galaxy.
You know, Brande your Fun Girl.
What a good life you would be.
But my what?
My, my, my life, my love
and my lady is the sea.
I can't sing.
Anyways, the song from the seventies
is in Guardians of the Galaxy.
And the whole thing is like about
the sailor that falls in love
with this girl brandy, but his
life, his love and his his lady.
Is the sea.
So he doesn't marry brandy.
And he goes back to the
ocean to be a sailor.
And the new perspective that I had this
morning was, that song is not about a
a, a man and a woman falling in love.
And the man going back to
the seat, I was like, wait a
minute, why is her name Brandy?
And then I was like, holy shit.
Is that song about alcohol
in my life, my love and my lady is the
sea and the ocean in spiritual teachings
is always like, you know, we are one drop
in an ocean in a unity consciousness.
And so what he does is
he's rejecting the alcohol.
You know, saying to, to brandy to the
bottle, oh, what a fine wife you would be.
You know, like, I could marry,
I could marry the alcohol.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: But I'm not going to,
I'm gonna go back to the ocean.
I'm gonna go back to unity consciousness.
Mm-hmm.
Like, that was my insight this
morning and I was like, oh my God.
So that's why I was, you know.
Michael: For eyes to see, ears to hear,
Audree: right?
Michael: Yeah.
Audree: Like that.
That's crazy.
Michael: Hmm.
Well, so I was thinking of what you
were saying and I, and I think this
is where, you know, belief systems
are really sticky even for us.
Um, and you know, what you,
what you were sharing here, part
of this is not a new concept.
I remember I was at this
workshop with Gabor Mate.
And like, I don't know, it's
gotta be like 12, 14 years ago.
And he says all mental illness, all sort
of psychological suffering is trauma.
Audree: Yes.
Michael: Right.
So it's not a new concept.
What what's what's interesting
though is he was saying, okay,
this is true and we can address it
from a psychological perspective.
I think the, you know, and what's true
about, you know, our work in this very
specific way is, you know, it's not even
just, okay, we need psychological and we
need energetic, we need psychological,
and we need energetic, and we need the
perspective from beyond the deviation,
which is,
Audree: well, you need to add
in the, the, the physicality,
phys, physiological, and theres
Michael: a
Audree: physiological Yeah, we need.
Yeah.
Michael: Yeah.
So, so, so there's a, there's a, there's
a, a larger tapestry here to say Yes.
And, and the other thing, the other thing
is to say, well, in our world we don't
call it trauma, we call it triangles.
Right?
So there, I mean, and what's, and,
and this is, I think what's needed
for anyone, whether it's through
our work or whatever path people are
following, is you need to actually
understand the mechanics of creation.
This is one thing that always really.
You know, for some period of time really
annoyed me is like, okay, why can't I
just, you know, connect with source and
have source, take care of everything
and said, well, 'cause the truth is, the
only way to move forward is to as source,
take responsibility for incarnation.
And the only way that can happen is if
we have self mastery of the mechanics of
creation that are governing our being.
So there, it's unavoidable.
Audree: Well, how like knowledge is,
that's why they say knowledge is power.
Well, 'cause if you don't know
the mechanics of creation,
how do you make a choice?
Yeah.
Michael: Let me, let me finish though.
Audree: Okay.
Michael: Like, this is really important.
Like if I think about the number of
people I know who believe, oh, I just
need access to a higher power to save me.
Mm-hmm.
And the truth is, only
you can save yourself.
Audree: You are
' Michael: cause only you
are doing it to yourself.
And the only way you can do that is
through the mechanics of creation.
And that's why well, you know, you
know the primary governing structure
of these triangles, these low frequency
structures that govern beliefs, you know,
reactive behavior patterns, you know,
physiological sensations in your bodies.
That's not enough.
We have to understand, you know, external
energies coming into us, how to remove
them past life, multidimensional as we
need to understand the mechanics of our
being as a multidimensional being and
address that, that's what's required.
And so when Audrey's speaking about
mental illness, it's just a, okay, well,
you know, it's just something that's
loaded up with a lot of stuff right?
To work through, you know,
more than the usual person.
And it's the exact.
Same tools and technologies
that we all need.
Audree: Yes.
And at some point it's not that to
say, oh, well your source consciousness
incarnated in physical, in the physical
realm, and you must take responsibility.
It's, there's, so, there's some,
Michael: well, now we're in the
paradox of the journey, right?
It's about taking support.
And about taking full ownership and
Audree: they can't take
full ownership yet.
Michael: I agree.
What, what I'm saying is we need
both, and that's part of the paradox
of the whole journey is there are
times when we take support mm-hmm.
Because that's what's correct.
Audree: Right.
Michael: And, and that doesn't mean
there aren't other times where we are
required to take full responsibility.
Right.
And ownership.
So
Audree: as a healer with my clients,
I started to realize that coming to
me as a healer is not helping anybody.
It's actually disempowering the person.
And so I started to say to my clients,
I think that's when I started to write
down the grounding meditation that
I was, that I was doing for myself.
Mm-hmm.
Because.
If there was one thing that they can
do for themselves to stabilize their
being and take full ownership and
responsibility of their being, it what
They couldn't do the, the chakras.
They couldn't repair their energy field.
They couldn't go into past
lives and do all that stuff.
What they could do was the grounding
meditation enough to stabilize
their system enough to, to say,
yes, I, I want to shift and change.
So
I, but I knew that I, I, my responsibility
was to hold them in this high
vibrational frequency, repair their
field because they couldn't do it.
Mm-hmm.
Repair it enough that when they,
when they were done with me.
They would go off and they
would do their own work.
Mm-hmm.
And, and I, that was my
agreement with my clients.
I will work with you, I will hold you
in this high vibrational frequency.
I will heal the, the immediate
Michael: uhhuh.
Yeah.
Audree: You know what the crisis,
the acute, you know, injury or
the whatever crisis that you're in
right now to stabilize your being.
And when you are finished,
then I will teach you.
You know, and so this was
the interesting thing.
It was like crossing that line from, from
being over here in crisis, to wanting
to have self-mastery for your own being.
That's where the line couldn't be crossed.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: In know in, in some,
so here I had a lot of my
clients went to healing school.
They became healers.
And my other clients just went
off and, you know, the disease
came back, or, you know, their
issues were not fully resolved.
They had some sort of peace and, you
know, relief from what was happening.
But if they stopped doing the work,
then it would, then things would,
would just kind of unravel and, and,
and go back to, um, the traumas or
the low vibrational frequencies.
But like my friend that came
here, she was a client first.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: And then she
went to healing school.
You know, I have other, a lot of other
clients that came to me, and then they,
they ended up going to healing school.
So because I didn't have a healing school,
I was in no way prepared like I am now.
Because that work had to evolve and
develop, which I'm really grateful for.
So, but that's the path
that, that really truly is.
It.
And, and here's the thing.
What I'm seeing is that there will be
some people that go to a healer and
they're healed and they're, they, they'll.
Be doing some of the self-mastery,
but they won't go all the way through.
Mm-hmm.
And that's fine.
Yeah, because you know what, to be really
honest, a lot of those people are tired.
Like there's so much damage that
has been created within their
incarnation being that, you know,
to just be relieved of the stresses
and the trauma, just to have peace.
Michael: Well, even, even without,
you know, coming to somebody who's
trained in, in healing through
evolution energetics, it's like people
can get that right with the audios.
I mean, that's what the audios are.
It's like, well, you don't
have to learn to do anything.
You don't have to do any self mastery.
You just have to press play, right?
Mm-hmm.
And I think that's where, from my
perspective, that's what healthy is.
It's a yes and mm-hmm.
And it, it's all about
choice and, and optionality.
And freedom for people to create
whatever it is they want to
create with their incarnation.
Anyway, so going back to the
Healing School, what excites me is
Audree: glad you're excited
about the Healing School 'cause
Michael: oh my God, I'm so excited.
And so
Audree: people, nothing happens
unless Michael's excited.
Michael: Anyway, so the
reason I'm so excited
Audree: because I'm a
projector and he's a generator.
Michael: Yeah,
Audree: look it up.
Michael: Yeah.
Y Yeah.
So it just feels so exciting because
it, it creates so much possibility in so
many different dimensions of creation.
Like it's just, you know, for the
person going through the program for
people, they can help for the, you
know, the possibility of, of systemic
change that can happen through it.
It's just, uh, it's just extraordinary.
Yeah.
Audree: There's a lot of work to do.
Michael: I know.
It's exciting though.
Hmm.
And it feels really good.
I mean, it feel, I mean, do you feel that?
Audree: Mm-hmm.
Michael: It feels really good.
Hmm.
You ready to close?
Audree: I was just feeling
into the struggle of humanity.
You know, even when you think
you got it all together, do you
really have it all together?
You know, and, and it's kind of
like you're just kind of holding
it together to, to navigate
through the complexity of, of life
and, um
Michael: hmm.
Audree: Yeah.
I'm just, I'm just kind of feeling the.
I know I can't even, I
guess it's the pain of that.
Michael: Well, that's why the
self-deception is there of I'm fine.
We talked about this last, last episode,
Audree: right?
Michael: And it's, uh, I guess
is the deeper level of that.
Audree: It's
Michael: not, is that, it's the,
it's the, you know, that's why we,
we don't wanna actually acknowledge
what's there because it's too painful.
Well, you know, we create
anesthesia around it and
Audree: it's, it's not that
self-deception or denial is a bad thing.
It's actually been there to help you.
Michael: Otherwise, how can we survive?
Audree: Oh my God.
Fuck.
Michael: If we had to face the full
pain of everything going on in our
physiology and our energetic structure,
Audree: right,
Michael: of all the damage we caused
to ourself, that would be unbearable.
Audree: Yeah.
Michael: Right?
That's why it's a journey, right?
That's why it's layer by layer by layer.
That's why you work on something
at level one and then level
two and then level three.
'cause we're, we're unpacking the
structures at a level that we can handle.
Because going all the way to the core
of it would be too much, and so we're
building up this stability in our system.
Uh, that allows us to handle greater
and greater depth of, of the, the
structure that need to be addressed,
Audree: right?
Michael: Until we transcend the whole
structure and go into, into game two.
Audree: At, at that point when you
transcend, you're so stabilized in your
being that you don't have the psychotic.
Break, like you can, you, it, it's
actually your, your ability to anchor
and harness that through your incarnation
being that the, knowing the energy, the
high vibrational frequency that, that
you're structures are so well maintained.
And it's like, I'm kind of just
like seeing it like a building that
you're, you're stable enough and,
and powerful enough and strong enough
your, your structures can, can hold
that high vibrational frequency.
So there is no psychotic break.
There's, there's,
Michael: right, so
Audree: there's a stabilization in your
being where you can harness, integrate.
And then, and use it to navigate through
the world in a very, very powerful way.
Like that's what self-mastery is.
Michael: Well, so, so this is where I can
say about the journey we've been on and
that, that we, that we've experienced and
that that's kind of what, what we offer.
This is like really profound.
It's like there is no
mystical awakening event.
There is no ascension event.
There is no, you know,
enlightenment event.
It's not an event, folks.
Audree: Well, that's
not true, but go ahead.
Michael: Well, well, so what I, so I'll,
maybe you had something, I mean, we might
have these experiences and awakenings and
experiences within it where we have these
profound experiences, but the integration
and harnessing of that and our being.
Is for me, what I've experienced is
a step by step, incremental, gradual
baby, step by baby step process
so that it's stable in my being.
Right.
That's what I've experienced.
Audree: I'm just gonna remind you of
one of our students in the academy.
Mm-hmm.
In the mastery course.
Michael: Yes.
Audree: That had the awakening
experience, and then what did he do?
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: He went walking through the city.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Audree: And.
Right.
That was like the wrong thing.
Michael: Wrong choice, yeah.
Audree: To do.
Michael: Yeah.
Audree: But it's like,
that's what I'm saying.
It's like those moments.
Michael: Okay, so, so, so this
Audree: do happen.
Michael: Okay, so this is coming back
to, wow, this is coming back to that,
that overall, you know, we talked
about the, the traps of the journey
Audree: Yes.
Michael: Of confusing.
The momentary experience or event
of awakening or high vibrational
frequency Uhhuh as the thing.
Yes.
That's not the thing
Audree: I know.
Michael: That's just a, that's just
a taste of, of what you're looking to
harness and stabilize in your being.
Audree: It's not a taste.
You know what it is,
Michael: what
Audree: It's an experience.
That opens up your consciousness.
It's actually rewiring your brain.
Mm-hmm.
Your physiology.
Michael: Yes.
Audree: To begin to harness and
integrate those energies in your being.
So you need to have those experiences.
Michael: Yeah.
We're big fans of those.
Yes.
Audree: And they need to be controlled.
And control's not the right word.
Michael: That's not the right word,
Audree: but it's like.
The knowledge of,
Michael: oh, it's more like harnessing it.
Yeah.
It's like harnessing that awakening
Audree: event.
But you can't har, you can't harness
it and integrate it if you don't
have the understanding of what it is.
The knowledge and the tools and
techniques already in place.
Michael: Well, I, I think so.
I, I can only relate to, really,
to my experience and my journey.
Audree: Oh no, you've
had those experiences.
Well,
Michael: that's what I'm saying.
Audree: So
Michael: well, well let, lemme
Audree: just, you've
had those experiences.
Yeah.
And I've had to, like, I've
actually been with you while you
were having those experiences.
Mm-hmm.
And I've had to bring you back.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: Because otherwise what
happens is you explo like your
consciousness opens and you're in unity
consciousness and you then you think.
Because you don't have the knowledge,
oh, this is it, this is it, this is it.
And if there's not an understanding
of what's happening, then you do
think that's it, and then you stop.
And how many people do you know who have
had the awakening or that enlightenment,
that momentary enlightenment?
And then they stop.
Michael: Well, this is, this is okay.
This is the story of my journey where
it's like I have this experience and
they go, oh, I finally got into, you
know, this mythical enlightenment thing.
I finally got to this permanent state
of awakening or whatever it is, right?
And then, and then the evolution will
continue and I'd reach another peak
state and have that stabilized me.
And then another, and another.
And you know what?
I got to what?
You know what I got to is like,
I just don't know, and I'm not
gonna try to figure it out because
there's, it's not figureoutable.
Right.
But what I do know is everything
I thought the, there were so many
things I thought that were not it.
Audree: I know.
Because why?
Because our work, and this is the
knowledge that I've always, that
I've not always had, but I've had
through my own experiences, I've
had those peak enlightened states.
And then following those peak
enlightened states was very,
very deep purification process.
Mm-hmm.
And that's how it happens.
You have the peak state, it
rewires your brain, it shifts
your chemical makeup, it changes.
Your energetic structures.
And then what happens is that high
vibrational frequency goes deep
in your being and it uplifts the
things that need to be purified out.
So you need to understand that process,
and you need to have the tools and
techniques because what happens
is you go up and then you go down,
and
Michael: then there's all
this tougher purification,
Audree: oh my God.
And then that fall down is
the purification process and.
I know.
Oh,
Michael: right,
Audree: right.
What
Michael: happens?
Right.
And that's where sometimes the
students stop it and then, or we
stop it and then, and then, and
that gunks up the whole work.
Then there's all this kind of energy
trying to move forward and we're
resisting it instead of like allowing
it to flow through a being and saying
Audree: yes.
Because what happens
when you're in a process?
Most of the time you don't know
that you're in the process.
Yeah.
So then all of a sudden you have this
peak state, you're in this enlightened
state, and then the next day you wake
up and you're, you know, you like.
All of a sudden it's
like, oh, I have a fever.
Oh, my body hurts.
Oh, I'm feeling intense
fear or intense anger.
Michael: Oh, this isn't working.
What happened?
This program I'm in isn't working right.
Why am I feeling this right?
I'm going backwards.
I had this great state yesterday.
Audree: Right.
Or you're in, or you're trying
to get back to that state.
Michael: Oh yeah.
And that doesn't work.
Audree: Instead of moving through what's
being purified out of your system,
Michael: saying yes to what's here, right?
Yes.
To the purification.
Audree: So how many times have you
been like Audrey, you're in a process.
Michael: Well, remember that
was a rule we had from three
years ago, five, four years ago.
You know, if you don't know what's
going on, you're in a process.
Audree: Exactly.
Michael: Remember
that?
Audree: Yeah.
Yeah.
Michael: I, we haven't, so we
Audree: have, we haven't
Michael: talked about that
for a long time because,
well,
Audree: we,
Michael: because we just know.
Audree: But we, but we
need that, like, that's,
Michael: you need that?
Audree: Yeah.
Can we stop for a minute?
Michael: Why don't we, you
just go to the bathroom?
Audree: Yeah.
Michael: We'll just pause.
Audree: I don't remember
what we were talking about.
Michael: It's all good.
Audree: There was so much going on.
Michael: Yeah.
We were, we were talking about the, uh,
the journey and needing to understand that
after a peak event, there's purification,
and that's what the kind of the, the,
the cycle of the evolutionary is.
Right.
And that we need to
have this understanding.
Audree: Right.
Michael: Right.
And not only that, be around people who
don't look at us and say, you know, pull
yourself together, blah, blah, blah.
Like sometimes, like, I mean, we know
this with ourselves and our students.
Sometimes you just need to fall apart,
you know, and let yourself like, and
that's part of the process of, and, and
not in a, you know, dysfunctional way.
'cause that can be, that can happen too.
But you, you, you know your body.
Audree: That's what evolution is.
Michael: Yeah.
Audree: Evolution is.
Is is going from one state to another.
So whatever structures are in
place, shatter, they have to
shatter or dissolve or fall apart.
Mm-hmm.
And so the new structures can be built.
And so when you understand the process
of that, then it's easier to to go
through that evolutionary process,
Michael: right?
'cause you know what's happening to you
say, oh, this is what's happening to me.
This is what's happening to me.
Oh yeah, this is what's happened to me,
Audree: right?
And
Michael: even these little structures
are dissolving and it feels
uncomfortable, my physiology right now.
Audree: Right?
Because there's a physiological
aspect, there's an emotional
aspect or a psychological aspect.
There's an energetic aspect.
It's like all of these things are
happening and we're just not trained.
Like the knowledge of what is
happening is just not there.
So then you're like,
what's happening to me?
Oh, I must have a, the flu or.
You know, or I'm experiencing,
you know, an intense amount of
self-hatred right now, you know?
Right.
I
Audree: must be depressed.
Michael: Right.
Or it's so weird.
I'm experiencing this pain in my right
side that I like, I wonder if I should
go to the, and it's got like, you know,
and you know, it's not a medical issue.
It's, you know, it's just the, the,
the, the low frequency structure
is transmuting and transforming.
Audree: Yeah.
I remember the other day I was, um.
It was when I was writing that I started
to experience this fluttering, like
there was actually this flutter in
my heart and you know, and it felt so
weird and, and you know, if I was just
like a regular person, I guess, well.
To be honest with you, twice I
went to the hospital thinking
I was having a heart attack.
Michael: When you were a
trained medical healer?
Yeah,
Audree: yeah.
When I was a trained medical healer,
but I didn't understand what the
symptoms of high vibrational frequency
were in the shifts and changes mm-hmm.
That were happening in my physical
body, because either I missed that at
Barbara Brennan or they didn't talk
about it, and so it was just like.
The ascension symptoms that are
happening within our, within our, our
physical body and our energetic body.
Like everything's connected.
And so I, you know, this was a
couple, I think it was yesterday,
it was a couple days ago.
Michael: All time's doing weird
things.
Audree: Yeah.
A couple days ago.
And, um, and so I just knew and so I just
stopped doing what I was doing and I just.
Felt into it and
it wasn't uncomfortable.
I mean, it was weird, but it wasn't
painful and it was just like, and so I
just was like sitting with it and I mean,
you know, fair enough to say is that.
You know, some people could
be having a heart attack.
So, you know, it's always, we always
tell our students like, if it's happening
for more than, you know, 30 minutes and
you're sitting with it and it's still
going on, then seek medical attention.
That's the most, um, responsible
thing that we could tell people.
'cause we're not medical professionals.
I'll keep saying that over
and over for legal reasons.
But, um, where were we going
with all of this anyways?
Michael: Well, this was a, a follow
on to just understanding, you know,
kind of led from one thing to another.
There is no, like the
awakening event and so on.
It's a, it's a process and
we understand the process of
evolution and what that means.
And as a multidimensional being and
Audree: the guidance is very, very
clear that it's like they have,
there's been experimentation.
Within the deviation of people
having those full awakening and
enlightenment experiences, and a
lot of people don't make it through.
And so the, the, the, the process
itself has been slowed down to
a step by step process so that.
Uh, we can harness and integrate
those energies into our being because
the whole and point of all of this
is to live in that higher state
of consciousness as human beings
creating in the material realm.
It doesn't serve any of us to be in an
enlightened state and not be functional.
You know, that's not the point.
The point is to be functioning.
Michael: Yes, sir.
I'll, I'll rephrase that.
There's no point sitting in Samati.
Audree: Yes, because
' Michael: cause we're talking about.
And this is, it's not about, okay,
great, you finally experienced samati.
Congratulations.
Wonderful.
That's not what we're talking about here.
We're talking about is that established as
your waking reality in your incarnation.
So that's how you're
functioning in your life
Audree: and is it improving your life
Michael: and, and through that, seeing
how your life is improving, not just on
an intervention, but externally as well,
Audree: right?
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: You know, are you experiencing
physical healing, emotional or
mental psychological healing?
How are your relationships with the
outside world, not just your loved
ones, but the world in general?
Are you still frustrated, angry in fear?
Like you wouldn't have those perceptions
and experiences of the, of the outside
world, like your, your reality begins
to shift and change your perception
of reality shifts and changes.
And from that place, even financially
shifts and changes where you have
abundance and you're supported, and you're
held and you're cared for from these
places, then you can make real impact.
Michael: Hmm.
Audree: I guess this podcast is
about the evolutionary journey.
Not so much about our tools and techniques
and our courses and things like that.
Michael: Oh, this is what I wanted to say.
Audree: Yeah,
Michael: that.
What we're talking as, I just had
this realization, we say it, but
I just got this at a deeper level,
is we're just, we're simply talking
about the mechanics of creation.
That's why this is not spirituality,
this is why it's not self-help,
this is why it's not psychology,
it's the mechanics of creation.
It's the actual nuts and bolts of how and
what we are and the situation we're in and
how to move forward from that situation.
Mm-hmm.
And that's what we're talking about.
Audree: Yeah.
Michael: The mechanics of creation.
Hmm
Audree: hmm.
Michael: So that's why we're
doing these podcasts so we can
actually discover what we're doing.
Audree: Right.
It's not, it, it's, and it's
Michael: at a deeper level
Audree: and knowledge.
Michael: So thank you for
listening and joining us.
Audree: Yeah.
Knowledge is power.
Um, and, and it's like a yes,
and it's much deeper than that.
It's much more than that.
Michael: When we say knowledge is
the seed that grows to an experience
or a nosis, a direct knowing, which
leads to being your permanent reality.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
That's the, the mechanic of, of evolution.
Audree: Well, you need to know how
to harness what you're cultivating.
Michael: Yeah.
Audree: Right.
Cultivating high vibrational
frequency is not enough.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: You need to learn how
to harness and integrate it
into your being and your being.
Has to be, which the
Michael: purification.
Audree: Yeah.
But your being has to be stable.
The mechanics, the energetic
structures of your system
has to be stable enough.
Michael: Right.
So that's what, that's what I'm just
getting is like having access to these
peak states or high vibrational frequency
isn't enough to dissolve all the looping
structures of the corrupted conscious
loop that forms the ego of consciousness.
That is the energetic structure that
makes up ourselves in the deviation.
Audree: Mm-hmm.
Michael: We actually need to go and
put in the work and disassemble them.
Audree: Right.
And then reconfigure them.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: And when we do it ourselves,
that's when we have self-mastery.
And then it goes back to sometimes some
people aren't able to do that themselves.
And they need support.
They need guidance.
They need the healer, they need the
person to, to stabilize their being
and, and, and do the, the reconfiguring
or the configuring of the structures.
Michael: Well, you know, when I
think about our journey, like there
thing, there's a lot that we do.
And that we have self-mastery over.
And there are things that
the, the guides do for us.
Like they say, oh, you said
yes to this gate of choice.
You've put in this effort, you've
gone through this gate, you've walked
through the portal, and now we can
give you this, this, this upgrade.
Audree: Mm-hmm.
Michael: Right?
So there, there's, there's this.
Yes.
And
Audree: yeah, but in the
beginning you didn't have that.
Mm-hmm.
Actually just had me.
Michael: Mm-hmm.
Audree: And then you learned, and I like.
You learned how to do it for yourself,
and I taught you a lot of techniques and
tools and knowledge, and then you, from
that place, you stabilized your own being,
and you started to harness the energies
and integrate into your own being.
And then you started to learn
your own tools and techniques.
Like I, I watched you as the
student become the teacher.
And then I, from what you were doing,
I became the student and learned.
And so there was almost like a
reversal at one point in time.
And then from there, that's when
the guides started coming in.
Michael: Well, and then, and then
there was another shift with us.
Where it became this co-creation.
Audree: Oh, yeah.
Michael: Where it became, you know,
wonder Twin powers activating or, you
know, climbing the mountain together,
where sometimes you're pulling me
up and sometimes I'm pulling you up.
Yeah.
Audree: Mm-hmm.
Michael: Sometimes I'm helping you.
Sometimes you're helping me.
Audree: Yeah.
Michael: Yeah.
And so that's why it's, and
actually that's what seems to be
this critical ingredient of the
evolutionary process, this mechanic
of this critical requirement of.
Of taking responsibility and at
the same time taking support.
Audree: Mm-hmm.
Asking
Michael: and guidance
Audree: for help,
Michael: right?
Mm-hmm.
And so if you think you've got it
all figured out, you're doomed.
If you think you need to do it
all by yourself, you're doomed.
If you think somebody else can
do it for you, you're doomed.
It's in, it's the integration of all
of these and the transcendence of
these seeming dichotomies that, that
the, the journey emerges and unfolds.
Audree: Yeah.
Michael: All right, let's close here.
Audree: Okay.
Michael: We'll close with a, a three
minute, um, you know, we say E two mantra
transmission, which it is in just a,
a pure axis of source consciousness.
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