B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Audree: Welcome to The Living

Michael: Room- Hmm

… Audree: with Audrey and Michael Sahota.

Michael: So again, as
usual, we were talking.

Audree: There's no intro music.

Dun, dun, dun.

Michael: Well, intro music just
wastes people's time really.

It's all about branding and trying
to- Ah … anyway, whatever.

So we were talking about planets, and
then we thought, "Oh, maybe we should just

record a podcast," 'cause there's a lot
kinda happening and being discussed here

Audree: I should make a note that we
don't study astrology I don't even

know the names of all the planets

Michael: Yeah, so-

Audree: Oh wait, I do.

Michael: Yeah, I, I know you do.

Never

Audree: mind.

Michael: So-

You know, there are people who
like professionally are aware of

planetary movements, uh, you know,
from a human design perspective using

that technology, from astrology-

Audree: Mm-hmm

… Michael: technology, from Vedic astrology
technology, the different technologies

of looking at planets and their motions.

And y- you know, from our
perspective when we're talking

about the evolutionary process, the
context for all this is, so what?

So what does this materially impact?

What is happening in my life, and how
can I harness this knowledge for the

benefit of my evolutionary process?

That's really, it's kind of
like this very, you know, from

my perspective at least, a very
practical, so what does it mean?

Just like you wanna be paying
attention to the weather.

Is it raining?

Is it sunny?

You know, what do I need to do to look
after myself in these weather conditions?

So-

Audree: Exactly

… Michael: that's probably how I'd
describe it as the- … just as a…

I guess, guess I'm giving a primer here
just to set up the whole conversation.

Um, and of course coming from my
background, you know, being raised

in a household of science, that
anyone who talked about astrology

or the planets having anything to do
with what happens here on Earth in

the material plane is of course, of
course a wackadoodle crazy person.

Um, so that's the context that I came-

Audree: Enter Audrey.

Michael: Well, that's the
context that I came from.

And I, and I think for me, um,
the knowledge of planetary impact

really landed with the teachings
of human design and Ra Urhu.

And really understanding and coming
to have this, you know, remembering or

awakening to the truth of the knowledge
that we're bathed in a neutrino stream

that is, uh, really programming the flow
of creation and that the, the neutrino

stream is, uh, modified by the planets.

So we can think of the planets going
around the solar system like a,

like a mechanism, like a clockwork.

And as these planets move around, the
energies coming and hitting planet Earth

are changing because it's kinda like
they're the, each planet creates a, um,

a, a filter or a field of the universal
energies coming in to give it a flavor of

whatever that flavor the, each planet had.

I call the planets flavors
'cause, you know, why not?

You know, ice cream's,
ice cream's a good thing.

Ice cream comes in flavors.

So the planets have different flavors
of kinda what they're about and how

they impact, um, life here on Earth.

And so what happens is that
this is the mechanism that kinda

keeps things moving, right?

If there were no planets Creating
kind of this shifting landscape of

an energetic climate, things would
be just very, very much the same.

And the whole of creation
is set up for evolution.

Mm.

And so what this does is it creates…

I, I'm just getting this kind of now.

I've never said all this before.

But it creates this context
for supporting evolution.

And so some of you may know we're moving
towards the, you know, the galactic

center, and we're entering higher
vibrational frequencies that are now

available and can be harnessed through
our evolutionary energetics and so on.

And what was happening with the
planets is, you know, it's not

like that, you know, we're in this
monotonically uniform increasing

field of higher vibrational energy.

That's not what's going on.

I mean, that is what's going on at some
level, but it's all modified and regulated

by the planets that are kind of like…

You can think of it like
a set of magnifying lens.

At times magnifying certain effects, and
at times dissipating certain effects.

So this is what this, this, the,
the, the evolutionary process

is, is a, a flow of cycles.

Yeah.

Right?

So it creates this, this, um,
really this mechanism that

supports the evolutionary process.

Audree: Beautiful.

Michael: Yeah.

Planets in a nutshell.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Done.

Audree: Mine's a little bit different,
'cause it's not so science-y.

I, I think, um, I came up with the
same conclusion as you yet just

through kind of intuitive, mystical

Um-

Michael: The feels

… Audree: yeah, the feels.

The one thing that I can add to what you
say is that Earth has a consciousness.

There's some sort of intelligence.

Whether you believe in all this stuff or
not, you know, a seed is buried in the

ground, and at some point in time the
shell breaks open and the plant arises

to the surface and grows into a tree.

One little seed

I mean, th- that there's some
sort of intelligence going on.

The th- the very fact that there are trees
growing on the planet or plants growing on

the planet that breathe in carbon monoxide
or carbon, carbon dioxide and then breathe

out oxygen so that the atmosphere has
oxygen in which we breathe is also just

a slight hint that there's some sort of
intelligence that, that creates the nature

that we are living in on the planet.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: And for that intelligence,
then there's consciousness.

So I'm just doing a very
simplified version of what I sense.

I, I mean, I can, I can connect
to the consciousness of the planet

and actually communicate with it

Not everybody can do that.

Not everybody wants to do that.

N- there's not a lot of need to do that.

So therefore, in my perspective, is that
if Earth has a consciousness, all the

other planets also have a consciousness.

If there is such a thing called astrology
or Vedic astrology, which is even older

than modern astrology, that there have
been other people on the planet that

have sensed some sort of significance
to other planets in the solar system.

I mean, you could even look at different
indigenous tribes also charted out

… They were able to chart out planets
without actually even seeing them.

So there's always been some sort of

Hmm

knowledge that the planets were
beneficial in some sort of way to

humans, and that we are impacted
by the planets in our solar system

Michael: Yeah, or even to say
we're all part of an e- ecosystem

Audree: Yeah.

Mm-hmm

Michael: Um, a- and you know, there's
something you were saying, it's like,

well, you know, first of all, it's
like, well, you know, it's not even

like a theoretical argument about the
consciousness of the Earth or blah, blah.

For me, for me, it's just, well,
I, I can, I can experience the

consciousness of the Earth.

I just go down the center of the Earth
and, you know, open up to experiencing

and, and pop, boop, there it is, right?

Audree: Mm-hmm

Michael: So, so that's, that's … The
other thing is having gone through,

um, looking at, uh, h- Human Design
and application of Human Design,

which is our work with Evolutionary
Design, it- it's just very

Even me, I don't have a
strong sense of the feels.

But, like, I can feel the planets.

Like, you know, when they talk about
Saturn being about laws or rulership.

I can't remember.

I c- I gotta have…

I don't remember all the, the,
the roles straight in my head.

But what I'm really looking at
and feeling into it, I c- y-

there's this sense of each planet.

Like, they all have…

That's why I call it flavors.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: I mean-

Audree: Yeah, I love that.

I love that terminology- You

Michael: know, they, they, you know-

… Audree: flavor.

Michael: Right?

And so…

Oh, do you feel Earth's flavor?

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: It's really beautiful.

Mm-hmm.

It's like…

I mean, for us, you know,
the flavor for us is home

Yeah.

Wow, I've never felt that flavor before.

Huh.

Anyway, so, so that's what kinda
came up for me is that it's just so

clear that each has their own imprint
that, you know, gets propagated to

make, uh, life interesting here and
create this, you know, planetary

ecosystem experience on Earth.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

I, I, um, I, I already told you this
already before we started the podcast.

I see the planets as in the olden days
of computers, you would have this card,

and then there would be all these, like,
holes in the card that were actually

I don't even know what they did, but
somehow they, they coded- It was coding

the program … it was coding the program.

And that's what I've always
sensed the planets have been.

If I was gonna describe, well, what
do the planets do or how do they work,

that's what I would describe it as.

So the, the whole idea of, um, what Ra
Uru Hu says about human design and the

neutrino stream coming in, I think it's
fair to say that while, you know, it

might seem woo-woo or there's not an
exact science, or perhaps there is and

we're just missing it 'cause we don't
pay attention to those things, is that

there's solar wind, there's, you know,
we're, we're in this solar system,

we're in this, as you say, an ecosystem.

Of course we'd be impacted by
other planets in this ecosystem.

Not only that, but we're just one
tiny solar system in a greater

system which is the galaxy.

Hmm.

Why wouldn't we be influenced
by the energies and the objects

within, within the greater
galactic, um, you know, ecosystem?

So-

Michael: Hmm

… Audree: it just makes sense to have your
mind open to the concept, not necessarily,

oh, believe this or believe that.

I, I think, um, in the past I've been kind
of like, you know, I know this to be true

because I have this, you know, mystical
experience or I have this intuitive sense.

And I think now where I stand
is that what if it were true?

More don't believe me- Hmm … and my
ideas and my experiences, but be open

to what do you sense, what do you feel?

Hmm.

Hmm.

You know, what have you been taught, and
what intuitively feels correct for you

and what doesn't feel correct for you?

Mm-hmm.

Michael: Yeah, so when y- we're
both getting kind of like the same

information at the same time in some
ways, 'cause what I was coming up for

me even before you started talking-

Audree: Mm-hmm

Michael: was, um, you know, I was
certainly in this state, so I, I know

it well, is that there's a state of
being on planet Earth right now which

I would call enslaved by science

Enslaved by science

Audree: Speaking as a scientist

Michael: Yeah, speaking as a
s- a scientist and engineer

and- Mm-hmm … researcher.

And, and what this state of being
was for me was that, uh, even though

science is very, very, very, very
limited in what it can understand.

We're limited in the
instruments that science has.

So science can't touch anything
that we're talking about right now.

It is, it is, it is out
of the reach of science.

And so if you, if we were … If science
was actually rational, which it is not,

if science was actually rational, which it
is not, science would say, "You know what?

We have no ability to measure
this, so we cannot comment

whether this is true or not true.

It fully could be 100% true."

That would be the, the, the
correct position of a, of a

deviation-free science program.

However, the science that you know,
that I grew up in, that we're en- ins-

that's enslaving humanity right now,
is the science within the deviation,

where science says, "Well, if we
can't measure it, it's not true.

If we can't prove it with a sci- with
empirical evidence, it's not true."

And I'm looking at it going,
"Well, geez, we don't have the

instruments of measurement.

How could we possibly prove it?"

I mean, that's absolutely ri-
that's an absolutely self-limiting,

self-destructive, which is
what the deviation is about.

So, you know, if you're listening
to this, you can just ask yourself,

"Well, is it possible or true
that I'm enslaved by science?

That unless science proves it, I'm
not ready to consider it to be true."

And we're not saying to believe it.

We're saying to open up to
your own direct experience, and

it's only when you're willing

And, and I think this is about
the really the whole journey.

It's only when we're willing to
move beyond the limitations of

the deviation can we actually
go on the journey of evolution.

Audree: You know what this reminds me of?

When I was invited to Bosnia, and I took
a, you know, to, to make a documentary

film by Kathleen and Philip Copans.

And,

um, I-

You know, even Bosnia,
they discovered pyramids.

And I like using these quotes
here because they haven't had

any real scientific evidence.

They've had some scientific evidence,
but they've been kind of digging

and digging, and they haven't
really been able to find anything.

And so they're calling it pseudoscience
because, you know, just because you see

a mountain and it is pretty straight
on, on all four sides or three sides,

yet it has a bunch of organic growth on
top of it, and somebody co- goes in and

claims, well, the, the iganic, the organic
growth is, you know, 25,000 years old,

but underneath it, you can't even dig
underneath it because it takes so long.

Like, I think even to dig out one
of the pyramids in Mexico took 40

years with a lot of people digging.

So, um, so when we were there and we
were filming, there was a guy there

that was not a trained scientist.

He was a hobby scientist and a man with
a lot of money, and he was doing some

interesting, uh, archeology where he
was meditating first and listening to

the land and then choosing from there
where to start digging and looking for

evidence of, uh, whatever he could find.

They were looking for evidence of
advanced civilization or something,

um, in regards to the pyramids.

Now, the pyramids in Bosnia, the,
the great pyramid, they do say

that there's some sort of energy
coming from the earth and beaming

out through the top of the pyramid.

Um, I can't validate whe- whether
any of this is, this is true or not,

and I can't cite any research, and
I don't know who did the research.

I'm just telling you what I
was told when I was there.

Um, but this scientist, pseudoscientist,
this hobby scientist that was doing

this unusual type of archeology, I
was very interested in his techniques

because of, um Uh, what I was doing a-
at the time with, um, Carmen Boulter

and, uh, in working as a, doing some
psychic research and archeology.

And so what he was doing
basically was psychic archeology.

You know, he was using meditation
a- and intuition and mystical

experiences to determine where to dig.

And then what he found when he did this,
and he spent a whole summer doing this

at the site, what he found, um, the
evidence that he found was over 7,000

years old of advanced civilization.

And at the time, I had gone to see his
presentation at the conference, and he was

kind of shut down, and he was pissed off.

And then that night, it was like
12 o'clock at night, and I found

him in the cafe in the village.

The village was completely,
like, shut down.

This little cafe was still open,
and it was the end of the season,

so some people were celebrating.

And he was, you know, kind of
inebriated and pissed off, and

started telling us, you know, how
angry he was, and he felt hurt.

And I, I, I, I'm not gonna say who
he was, um, or anything, but what he

revealed, and we had the cameras rolling.

We asked him if we could roll camera,
and he said yeah, was that he had

discovered evidence that was over 7,000
years old, definitive evidence of an

advanced civilization, the technology.

He didn't say what, but he just said
that the technology that he found

was, um, like, you know, beyond,
beyond, beyond what science has,

has said, you know, or determined.

You know, 7,000 years ago, humans
were primitive, and there's no

way that this, that this, whatever
he found could have existed.

Michael: According to the
distorted, deviated, misconceived-

Audree: Science, right.

And I said, "Well-"

… Michael: historical timeline … "well,

Audree: why didn't you present
that at the conference?

That would have been amazing."

And I was like, "What did you do?"

And he goes, "I buried it."

And I go, "Why did you bury it?"

And he said, "Because I would
have been killed, or first

I would have been ridiculed.

I, I'm not a real scientist because
I don't have the degrees behind

me, the PhDs and the training, and
then I would have been killed."

And I mean, I, I think we
see this over and over again.

This is not conspiracy.

People just, they kinda disappear or
they're ridiculed, their, their, um,

their grants are taken away from them,
their positions as, as scientists or

the research or the, the funding or the
positions they have in, at a university.

You know, those things- Or they randomly

Michael: die.

Audree: I mean,

Michael: there

Audree: are cases of people
randomly dying … Yeah.

Or they randomly die, just
like Philip Kopin's, you know?

I mean, he…

Actually, Philip, that he died,
um, two months after, that

was like August or September.

He died in November, or he
died December that year.

Yeah

So, uh, you know

that's what I could say
about the science community.

And if you look at historically,
first scientists were actually

ridiculed and killed by the church.

And then all of a sudden they
came into power, and then they

started doing the same things.

It's like, um

I don't want this to be a, um,
a podcast about conspiracy.

I want it to be, and you've already
said it, is that knowledge, we're

being oppressed or suppressed through,
just through knowledge of, of how

things actually work or, you know?

Michael: Well, you know, if, I mean,
we can go, if we're talking about the

suppression, we could talk about the
distortion with the, uh, the calendar,

the distortion with the, the clock system.

You know, we could go on and on
about all the different forms.

The, the, um, the
frequency used for music.

You know, there, y- you know, we
could talk about the, um, the, the

frequencies being used for the power
grid systems that are not in alignment

with the Schumann resident- resonance.

I mean, it'd have been trivial to,
to, to make it align with the, the

nat- natural frequencies of the Earth.

But, you know, we could look at all
these kind of manmade structures, um,

and whether they're intentionally done
for oppression, some of them probably

are, or they're accidentally done from
a lu- you know, just complete ignorance

of, of functioning in the natural world.

Um, some of it will be that.

But we're, we're, we're,
we're in a prison, right?

You know, our food is contaminated,
like, you know, there- Our air,

Audree: the air

Michael: that we breathe is
contaminated … Y- yeah.

Yeah, there's so much, right?

You know, or, you know, there,
there's so much going on, you know?

And so it's, it's, um, not just physical
environment, it's also the, um, you know,

the, the thought sphere, the, the memes
that are, that we're, we're indoctrinated

to from when we're born of this is what
the world is, this is how the world works.

This is what society is,
this is how it works.

And really, you know, this is
what we're seeing here, is that

all that's from the deviation.

Audree: Can I ask you a question?

'Cause-

When, when did your, kind of your
consciousness and, and, and awareness

in this actually start to open up?

And what did it do?

Because you come from a
heavy science background.

You were com- you have a
master's in computer science.

You have a half PhD in
artificial intelligence.

Your background, your family
background is God doesn't

exist, sort, God doesn't exist.

Anybody who's religious- Is an
idiot … is crazy- Yeah … is an idiot.

Michael: Is a fool.

Audree: It's, is a fool.

Yeah.

It's only science.

What you read is truth.

Like

When did, when did you start
opening up and, and what happened?

Like, what cracked you open
to, to say, "Oh, wait a minute.

Everything that I believed, that I was
told to believe might not be true."

Not that it's not true, but like-

Michael: Yeah, it, it's not, it's
not like a one and done, right?

Mm-hmm.

There's no kind of this is…

It's more like a, um, you know, a
pot gets to 100 degrees on the, on

the, uh, I'll use centigrade here.

Pot gets to boiling point on the stove,
you know, one degree at a time Right?

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: So that's kind
of how I see it, see it.

And, and if I think about the whole,
for me, the tapestry really would've

started at age 42 when, um, my north,
one of my north nodes went into,

Audree: went- Let's leave human design
out of it … No, no, I- What was

going on in your life at 42 then?

Michael: Yeah, I'll, I'll
just, let's just, I'll just…

And so I bec- I think I became much more
curious about how, how things worked.

Mm-hmm.

And really what happened is I became
much more aware of my internal

state of functioning, and knowing
that science had no answers for me.

Psychology had no answers.

There were no answers for me in the
conventional world for what I was

experiencing and how to move beyond it.

Audree: And what were you experiencing?

Michael: I was recognizing these deep
states of anxiety, of fear, of, you know,

the constant attack thoughts in my mind.

The, the fact that, um, you know,
there was the, the line of you

can only be kind to others to the
extent that you're kind to yourself.

And for me, that was like the,
you know, the, uh, the complete

floor lock of, of determination.

Like, I mean, at that point it was over.

Mm-hmm.

Because, um, and it's not like my
belief systems changed at that moment,

but what that did was it said, "Look,
Michael, there's something going on

here, m- you know, the viciousness
within your own being towards yourself."

You know, what we now in the modern
version would call self-hatred.

Um, that awareness of that
functioning within my being,

and then an understanding, well,
that's how I was externally.

If that's how I am internally,
that's how I am externally, and that

realization said f- you know, "Fuck,
I gotta do something about this."

And that's, and that's where I s- where,
where I w- where then, th- oh, wait, wait.

Then it combined with Jane
McGonigal's SuperBetter, which

is this weird, weird thing.

So Jane McGonigal was this famous person,
maybe she still is, I have no idea.

10 years ago or 15 years ago,
I guess this is going back a

ways, um, maybe 15 years now.

Audree: Um-

Michael: 20 years.

Where she wrote- Yeah, 20
years … wrote a book called How,

How Video Games Can Save the World.

And the idea was- How, how what?

How Video Games Can Save the World.

Audree: Got it.

Michael: And the idea he- was here
is that if you make structured

challenges like video games, then
people can move through them.

Oh, actually, that's
what our work is, huh?

Funny.

Anyway, okay.

Wow.

So her idea, I, like, I read her book.

I didn't just watch her video,
which is, there's a good TED Talk

video if you wanna go look at Jane
McGonigal video game saving the world.

Um, but what she talked about was,
well, people love playing games, right?

And what is the structure of a
game that makes it effective?

Well, you know, people have maybe,
like, an epic quest And they know

they can't just complete their epic
quest, that they have to go through

a series of stages and levels and
things to complete the epic quest.

So it's like a, kind of a episode by
episode journey to complete an epic quest.

And then within each kind of
episode or level, there's a series

of challenges and overcoming and
discovery and learning and growth.

And so there…

It's kinda like, and so what
you wanna do is you don't wanna

try to win the epic quest.

That's the goal.

But what you focus on is, um,
how do I make the micro moves

to move the quest forward?

Like, how do I move this episode forward?

How do I get resolution
of this next stage?

And so what I decided to do, this is
my crazy thing, was, was create this

epic quest for self-kindness, right?

Which, you know, now no
understanding that hatred is the, the

fundamental basis of consciousness.

It's, I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous.

But it was really, really, really cute
and well, well-intentioned and got me to

wonderful, through growth experiences.

And so- Cuddle

Audree: parties.

Michael: What's that?

Yeah, including cuddle parties.

Like- … my rule was I will try anything,
I will run any experiment because I do…

So this is actually coming
back to complexity spectrum.

Mm-hmm.

Because I do not know what experiment
will work for sure- Mm-hmm … I

can't even guess at experiments.

I'm just gonna do whatever random thing
has some possibility of moving the

needle, no matter how ridiculous, no
matter how sure I am it's not gonna work.

So I'm thinking back to it, it's
k- it's really like just being

a yes to growth and evolution.

Mm-hmm.

I'm thinking back to the movie
Yes Man now, and where we are

right now in our program of just
being really clear on our yes.

Which is actually not just now,
it's been this theme for more

than- … many, many months now.

And it's actually the theme of the
whole journey, whether we know it or

not, is w- how powerful is our yes.

And so what I see here is that
there was this yes, I am going

to achieve my epic quest.

I do not know how to do it, therefore,
I will figure it out, right?

And so what we know from the mechanics
of creation, I'm just self-reflecting.

I've never had this awareness before.

But we know from the mechanics
of creation, when you're a yes to

your evolution, then the resources
show up, the opportunities show up.

Because when we're a yes, we
see the things that are there

that we wouldn't see otherwise.

Everything's there for us,
waiting for us to say yes.

And so I said yes, and so all these
experiences started to happen, and that's

where, uh, I had these experiences.

These, started to have these direct
experiences of reality- That, that

are completely separate, that have
no ability to anchor into my current

science-based, limited perceptual,
conditioned, societally programmed,

very limited belief systems.

I had these experiences that
couldn't fit in that system.

Like I'll give you an example.

Well, like when I went to, for meditation
at Oneness, and we did this, the people

did this deeksha thing and put their hands
on my head, and my brain shut off and my

br- and I, and kinda, and I felt peace
for like the first time in my entire life.

Like, there's no way I could reconcile
that experience with anything science

had to offer, with anything I'd
experienced my whole life, with … And,

and it not only couldn't be reconciled
with it, it fundamentally violated

strongly held beliefs in my system.

So I had a choice of, well, am I gonna
go with my direct experience of reality,

or I'm gonna go with these other
things which I now know are not true?

Mm-hmm.

And so that's where the, the foundation
of the lock started to crumble.

And of course, you know, even like-

Audree: I think it was, I
think it was further back.

The, the foundation initially cracked
when you were in your AI research.

I, I'm just, I'm just pointing that out.

Yeah, could be.

I think you decided to go on a quest then.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And I f- at the time- Could
be … you didn't know that until

you st- I, I started asking you what
happened, what happened, what happened?

And I was like- Yeah … wait a minute.

It, it sounds like you
had a, a, an awakening.

Right, so this would've been in my

Michael: mid-20s.

Audree: Yeah.

A sudden, I call it a
sudden awakening moment.

Michael: Well, there's alwa- there's
always been this curiosity to understand

how things work, and I think what
pivoted is this curiosity to understand

how things work in the outside world-

Audree: Mm-hmm

… Michael: turned toward the inner world.

Mm-hmm.

And I remember in my, probably around 30,
I took neurolinguistic, uh, programming,

you know, practitioner and master
practitioner, and, and c- and I was trying

to figure out, well, how do we function?

How do we function as humans?

And so, yeah, that does go back to
looking at the, uh, computer vision

research, the, the cognitive research
in the artificial intelligence lab

where I was, where I was studying and,
and learning about how do we func-

how do people function as, as humans.

And, and the … And so there
was this, this, this focus.

I don't even … I mean, I was
looking at computer vision, but I

was looking at much more broadly of
how does human cognition function.

I'm not even sure why I was
doing that, but, but I was.

Well,

Audree: it makes sense if you were
looking at, at the, how brains see

And how to, I don't, I don't know
exactly what you were really- I, I, I

Michael: guess so.

I mean, like if you, you know, The
Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat

and Other Neurological Tales, I
mean, part of those are pr- I, I

mean, they are perceptual, right?

And I think that's where it comes in is
that, oh my gosh, I'm just getting it now.

So if you look at computer vision

In a shallow way, it's taking an image in
or a, you know, series of images in and

a se- set of pixels are doing analysis.

It's a very, you know, say
computational structural.

But when we go back to the next
layer of, of people processing,

it's all about perception.

Mm-hmm.

And as we know, perception is the
mechanism for creating reality.

And so what I'm starting to see here
is that the research I was looking

at was fundamentally opening me up to
understanding kinda where we are now

in the modern version of awareness is
the primary mechanism of evolution.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Right?

When we open our awareness, we open our
perception, then that is the mechanism

that unlocks higher frequencies.

It's the mechanism that unlocks all
of creation, unlocks the truth of what

and who we are as source consciousness
incarnated in the material plane.

And really all started
looking at computer, computer.

I mean, now that I, I
didn't get it till now.

Computer vision is about
what am I perceiving?

What am I looking at?

And that's where it tied in very
deeply to Helmholtz's statement.

Well, vision is just controlled
hallucination, and gave this beautiful

example of sitting in a room, you
know, as it moved towards nighttime,

and seeing a chair, and then noticing
as it got darker and darker, at some

point he was just hallucinating the
chair being there because there really

wasn't enough, enough data in the
optical field to actually see the chair.

But he could still see the chair because
his mind was filling in the missing,

missing bits based on its preconceived
notions of what, what it should be seeing.

Audree: There's that great video with,
I, I think it's Skeeter from Saved by the

Bell, that, uh, the, the actor, um, had
a rare disease where his optic nerve was,

uh, disintegrating or something like that.

Mm-hmm.

And he was actually hallucinating
that things were there and not there

before he became completely blind.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And that's where his consciousness
started becoming aware of how the, the

The mind is hallucinating.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Well, that's well, well
understood, you know, that, that

the mind just makes up stuff.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: I think the technical
term that I read, you know,

back, going back to my days of AI
research, is the mind confabulates.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: You know, I mean, so I
haven't got to this yet, but this is

one of the … This would actually be
one of the papers in a series that,

you know, where we just use science
research that exists today to show,

well, here's the egoic consciousness.

You know, the egoic
consciousness, what does it do?

Well, it's an automatic process
that's not under conscious control.

It goes towards the negative.

It makes up stuff based on
current context and, you know,

current conscious intention.

And, um, yeah, it's not
under, not under control.

Audree: I know we say it's the egoic
consciousness, but it's actually the mind.

Well- 'Cause if you think about it- It,

Michael: it, it's both.

I mean, this is where it's like the,
the terminology here, I think, is-

Audree: Well, the … So the- … a
bit messy … as we understand, the

egoic consciousness is really the
very thing that's creating reality,

but it's getting fed by the mind.

Michael: Well, this, this is where c-

Audree: And I think
that's what we're- Well-

starting to understand.

Michael: Yeah.

So, so consciousness-

Audree: Oh, now we're coming
back to programming the computer.

Michael: Yeah, so if we go back to … If
you just look at consciousness, you know,

this is why it's really confusing to
be a human being on Earth, because why?

Because there's an aspect of you
that is just source consciousness

observing everything that's happening
and, you know, just experiencing it.

That's true.

There's an aspect of you that's the egoic
consciousness that's on its way to being

purified towards creator consciousness,
which is the, just the, just the, really

the, the creation engine of reality.

It, like, creates all of reality,
like everything you experience.

It's the, uh-

Audree: It's like the
output of the computer.

Michael: Well, it's the, it's
the … Well, it's actually the-

Audree: If output is reality … if

Michael: it was a factory,
it is the factory, right?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So if you think about … I'll
make up this metaphor.

I, I don't know how this will work or not.

But source consciousness is like,
you know, the owner of the factory

looking at the factory, enjoying the
factory, experiencing the factory.

The creator s- egoic consciousness,
which is malfunctioning, is this really

badly running factory which we wanna
purify to the creator consciousness.

Um, and then if you think about the mind-

The, us, us as an individual incarnation,
we're the ones that are providing

the instructions for the factory
of what it's supposed to be doing

Audree: So thoughts

Are in the atmosphere.

The brain, the way it's configured,
the neurotransmitters are the very

things that are pulling the thought
in, and that thought, which we

call the mind, is then programming
consciousness, ego consciousness,

creator consciousness, to create reality.

That's why they say thoughts move energy.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Or consciousness moves energy.

Mm-hmm.

Energy flows where consciousness goes.

Is this scientifically proven?

I have no idea.

So it's-

Michael: It can't.

There are no instruments for it.

Audree: Right.

So the, so the mind, you can say, is
the, is the manu- is the equipment within

the factory that's producing a product.

Michael: No, it's not the mind producing.

Mind is the one giving directions.

Audree: Yeah.

It's giving directions.

It's

Michael: more like the, um-

Audree: It's programming- It's

Michael: more like the, the person
in the front of the factory deciding

what the factory's gonna produce.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

You know?

Yeah.

And then the, the machine is the, the
consciousness, the ego consciousness,

creator consciousness that it's
either, it's either running perfectly

or there's huge distortions in it.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And that's what's producing
the product, which is your reality.

Michael: Yeah.

Come back

Yeah.

Anyway, so coming back to planets.

What's going on with
the planets right now?

That's, that's where w- this all started.

Audree: Well, I'm not an astrologer.

I don't even know how to say the guy's
name, but it's like some … Like,

Babal Basket or something like that.

You have to look it up.

Michael: Yeah, that's okay.

Audree: The name of it.

But there's, like, these … All
these, uh, Uranus, Jupiter,

Pluto, and I think Neptune.

Michael: Yeah, so July … What?

July 2026.

So there's b- basically a bunch
of planetary configurations.

So we're going back to planets arranging
the experience of life here on Earth.

Audree: All at four degrees.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: In whatever.

I mean, I don't even know.

What's significant is that
there … I mean, I … What I saw

was an astrologer talking about it
and, um, it was Tanya Gabrielle.

She calls herself wealth numerologist.

Um, she, she was talking about this
configuration as being important,

and then she was showing the
astrology chart where it kinda,

you know, there's all these lines.

And I'm looking at it, and the lines are
in a pentagram, and I thought … And

sh- but she wasn't talking about that.

I didn't watch the whole video either.

And I just thought it … That
was significant to me

Because a, most people associate
pentagrams with witchcraft, but a

pentagram is also representative
of the body, the head, the

two arms, and the two legs.

Michael: Hmm.

So what's the TLDR then?

I think for, for me, the TLDR is

There's a planetary
configuration of activation.

So, so basically everyone's
getting an activation.

You don't need to do
anything to, for that.

Um, m- what does matter, and I'm
just reflecting back, you know, why,

why are we in this 30-day training
program right now with the Shi?

It's like, well, it's…

They, they time things based on these
planetary activations to harness the

full effect for the evolutionary process.

So the, um, you know, I guess
for those who are using the work,

it's like, well, this is a really
important time to be using the tools-

Audree: Mm-hmm

… Michael: and being in
awareness and being open.

Audree: Well, it's interesting,
too, because it's this…

So the, you have to understand that the
planets are so large that it's not just

one day, it's before, during, and after.

And so this planetary alignment
that's happening is also

coinciding with a new moon.

So if you look at, um, you know, how
people, when they use astrology or

they look at planetary alignments and
things like that, people start things

on the new moon, comes to fruition at
the full moon, and from the full moon…

Like, a lot of people pick plants for,
um, to make flower essences at a full

moon because- Mm-hmm … the flower,
the essence of the flower, the oils in

the flower are at their most potent-
Mm-hmm … uh, during that time.

And then the, the cycle would be from
the full moon to the, again, to the

new moon is kinda like, is it waning?

I don't know what they call waning,
waxing, gibbous moon, all these things.

I don't know, I don't know all the names.

But, um, it just makes logical sense.

You know, you could also see how the
tides were, were connected to the moon.

The moon is pulling on us, and
it's, you know, energetically

there's something happening.

You see the pull of the tides.

Well, from a human

Michael: design perspective,
it's activating our life purpose.

It's the gentle pull towards
why we incarnated to be here.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Michael: And fulfilling our, our function.

Audree: So I, I feel like the, the
height of this planetary alignment

also is activated at the full moon.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: You know?

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: At the height of it

What does that all mean?

Michael: Well, it's a good time to be
using the tools, a good time to be paying

attention to the mechanics of one's
life purpose, and being open and aware

of, and listening for, for possibility.

And of course, at every moment,
it's always good to be a, a yes

to the evolutionary process.

That's being evolutionary.

Audree: Well, what is life purpose?

Michael: Well, so, I mean, mechanically-

Audree: I'm interviewing you, by the

Michael: way …w-

mechanically, life purpose is, you know,
it's not, it's not really a one and done.

It's not like it can just be,
go, "Oh, this is life purpose."

'Cause what happens is,

it's like looking at a piece
of art, and you have to look at

the art and open to the art to
understand what the art is, right?

And so life purpose is like that.

It's more like a, um, a puzzle or art that
you open to to understand the meaning of.

And so while mechanically-

We can say that the, you know, the,
if we look at the very narrowest def-

definition, which I wouldn't really
use particularly, but the narrowest

definition of life purpose is the tug of
the moon is through the, uh, the gates

and the lines that you have defined for
your moon in, in Human Design System.

And that is, that is the pull
of what you're here to do.

Now, it's more complex than that because
then we have the incarnation cross which

is how, like the role you're here to play.

So, you know, it's kinda like,
you know, when I think about

role and, you know, what you're
here to do, those are different.

Like, you know, if the role could be
like you're, you're a builder, like

you build buildings, but, you know,
the, the, the pull for you was you're,

is you're building a cathedral or
you're building homes for people.

Like those are very different purposes.

You're s- But the, but the
actual like job role is the same.

You're, you're a builder.

And so that's kinda where, you know,
the, the, the actual purpose that we're

here for is very closely connected to
how we fulfill our purpose, which is

through our role and very, very deeply
connected to, uh, our North Node,

South Node trajectory which is the, the
life trajectory of the stage that we

live on, of that, that, you know, no
ma- So this is actually really funny

'cause that, the, the, that, that North
Node, South Node is guaranteed for us.

Like nothing else in Human
Design is guaranteed.

Everything else in Human Design, there's
deviation and there's, you know, the, the

not self and our resistance to the truth
of what and who we are as our incarnation.

The

Audree: blocks and the
gates and the channels.

But

Michael: the, but the, the, but the,
but the, the stage of life that we're

on, we're always on that stage of life.

It's guaranteed.

It's the only thing that's actually
guaranteed in Human Design and, and yet

we can still mess it up because we can
be resisting the stage of life, right?

We can be resisting that, that our
life is gonna be like X, right?

And that resistance is what
blocks us from functioning on the

stage of life that's before us.

You can call it destiny.

I mean, really, you know, it would be
considered an aspect of destiny that,

you know, um, you know, this is what
I was saying, speaking about actually

earlier for, you know, when, you know,
when did things really start to shift

for me, um, was when, uh, my North Node
went into, uh, into the kind of this more

mystical, almost shamanistic environment
and it didn't matter what I did, that's

w- what my environment would start to
be like and I'd start to experience.

Mm-hmm.

It was just, it was just, it's just
guaranteed and also moving from,

uh, I think from, on the other
side, moving from, uh, con- no-

From conflict

Audree: To crisis

Michael: To crisis, yeah.

Uh, of course, crisis just
being just a very, very deeply

experiential environment.

So like, you know, my life is
deeply, deeply experiential,

and it's not like it's fixable.

It's just like that's the way it is.

And it's, so when I'm okay with
that, wow, I'm going through

this deeply experiential process.

Oh, yeah.

That's just the stage I'm on, right?

Audree: What's my north
node and south node?

Well,

Michael: your south node don't matter
'cause you're over 42, step one.

Audree: Uh-huh.

Michael: Um, I think it's like the
f- the freak to genius or something

What was that?

I don't know.

Audree: Is it genius to freak after 42?

Michael: Um-

Audree: Which would make a lot
of sense, 'cause that's when my

marriage started falling apart.

Michael: Yeah, that's why,
that's why things really start to

change at, uh- Mm-hmm … at 42.

Audree: Well, even in Vedic astrology,
there's this point at 42 where, where,

you know, or you could just say m- modern
society where a lot of people start

having a midlife crisis because it's
like you get to 42, and you're like,

"What am, what am I doing with my life?

What's the direction?

Where am I heading?"

Okay.

"What's gonna be the
next, you know, 40 years?"

Michael: Y- yeah.

So yours, yours is, uh, 23, the splitting
apart, the gate of assimilation, and I

think on the other side, you have the
eight, which is togetherness, right?

So you're-- We're talking
about your environment.

Mm-hmm.

So you're an environment for, uh, holding
together, the gate of contribution.

So it's really about being an environment
of your contribution being, always

being towards something greater, right?

So this is kinda like tied in
with you being a projector.

It's not about you, right?

So you're always gonna be an
environment where you're always

contributing to something greater.

That's, that's just, it's just inevitable.

You can't just say, "Oh, I'm
gonna do this for myself."

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Like, it's just not possible
for the environment you're in.

Um, and so you're gonna
be an environment of…

Oh, this is very interesting.

You, you know, if I look at the,
the 23, it's like, um, the gate

of assimilation of, of like really
just putting things together, right?

Of, and which is the
environment you're in.

You're in an environment of, if we
think about what's been happening, of

putting it, everything all together.

Audree: Right.

You know?

Like sitting in the, in the classroom
in your certified agile leadership-

Yeah, so you- … training and looking
at your playbook and going, "Oh,

well this could evolve to this."

Yeah,

Michael: so you're always gonna
be in an environment where you're

putting things together, where
you're seeing the connections,

where you're assembling things and-

Audree: Mm-hmm … yeah.

Connecting the dots.

Yeah,

Michael: yeah.

Yeah.

That's just the environment
you're in, no matter where you

go, no matter what you're doing.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Yeah.

It's inevitable.

Yeah.

So…

Audree: So when I go work at
Starbucks- Yeah … I can see

that the caramel macchiato should
have, you know, less flavor in it.

Michael: Yeah.

Well, you always do this, right?

You say, "Oh, I can be a spotter for
hotels and- Yeah, yeah … restaurants."

And like 'cause, 'cause that,
that, that, 'cause it, 'cause it-

' Audree: Cause I could see

Michael: things

it's guaranteed.

Yeah.

It's just a guaranteed thing for you.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: It's just a guaranteed
thing for, there's nothing-

Audree: If anybody wants
to hire me, I'm available.

Michael: Yeah.

Okay, so we're coming up on time.

Is there anything you wanna
talk about before we close?

Audree: I don't know.

What's the

Is there a purpose to all this?

Michael: W- no, we're just talking,
we're just talking about planets

and just continuing the conversation

Well, we could do a summary
of what, whatever's coming

up for you from now from-

Audree: Oh

… Michael: this, this session

Audree: I feel like there's like,
it's almost like a, a s- like a

skin tag or a hangnail or something.

There's like something missing.

Michael: Yeah.

Feels like that to me, too.

Audree: Oh, okay.

Michael: So let's heal into that

Audree: Hmm.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Yeah, so what's coming up
for me right now is this

I'll go with, uh, I don't know whether
this is this '80s or '90s show of,

uh, The X-Files, and the, the, you
know, the saying in The X- in The

X-Files is, "The truth is out there.

The truth is out there."

And this, you know, the, you know,
the, these FBI people searching for

the truth about, I don't know, whatever
the weird stuff they were looking at.

I don't know what the show was about.

But, you know, I think really the
tagline for me right now coming out

from this episode is the truth is there.

Inside you, outside
you, the truth is there.

And

The challenge, or, and this is what
we're talking about with my journey,

the challenge or the negotiation
is overcoming our own self-imposed

limitations and allegiances to the
false world we've been born into, and

opening up to a greater possibility.

And again, we've, we've talked about
so many things that are beyond, right?

We've talked about consciousness,
we've talked about design- Mm-hmm

… we've talked about planets, we've
talked about science, we've…

Like, so that's why I'd say what this
whole episode is really all about

for me, is really just understanding
that choice to say yes, to be

opening to direct experience, to
saying, "Yes, what if it were true?"

That yes to evolution is
what will take you beyond.

And, you know, for me, the whole thing
is, you know, going beyond what we know.

What we know, no matter how destructive
it is for us, p- is, you know, from

an egoic consciousness, from the mind
perspective, gives us a sense of safety.

False safety, but a sense of, a, a
sense of safety because it's known.

And the

Audree: whole- It's a structure that
you can connect into that, for you

to make s- for things to make life,
which is totally unknown to make sense.

Yeah.

Michael: And so th- this whole journey
is about going to the truth of what

and who you are, and uncovering
your ability to shape reality-

I think you're going too far out

which requires…

Let me, let me finish.

Let me finish.

I'm almost done.

Which is, which requires you
going beyond what you know.

And it's kind of like this, if you
wanna keep what you have, then you're

good staying with what you know.

If you wanna go beyond, if there's
any design in your system to evolve

beyond, go beyond, have a shift in
your life experience, that requires

moving further in your belief
systems than you ever been before.

What if it were true?

Audree: Not that I'm going
to debate you or dispute you.

What I'm going to say

Michael: is- You'll clarify

… Audree: is that I don't even
think it's a clarification.

Nobody

can go or drop their structures and
their belief systems without having

some sort of safety net holding
them, some sort of support system.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And so that's what I was
saying is you're going out too far.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: You're go- saying, "Oh, you
know, just say yes to your evolution,"

and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, while,
uh, everybody's listening and they're

like, "Oh, yeah, I wanna do that.

I wanna expand my consciousness."

No, you don't.

You just want your life to be better.

You want your relationships to be better.

You wanna show up being more authentic,
and feeling good, and basically just

feeling good in your own being with-
Yeah … you know, who you are-

Mm-hmm … and sharing that with the
world, and being successful at work,

and making money, and living your life
where, you know, the kids are great,

the parent, your parents are good.

You know, you're going out and enjoying
everything, life around you, without any

worries, and stress, and all these things.

That's what people want

That's what you wanted
in your life journey.

That's how my life journey started.

And even our work, like our level
one work, is just about, you know,

how does life work and how can
you sh- show up to your life- To

Michael: make it

Audree: better

and be more successful in it?

Michael: Well, I think for me,
what, all of what I said about going

beyond the belief systems is that's
where we're holding ourselves back.

'Cause e- even if you look at l-
level one, level two, we're starting

to look at, oh, what if it were true
that this thing's going on with me?

And I, and I think, and I agree
with you 100%, though, right?

Without the stability of having
the connection of knowing…

Well, see, it goes degrees.

Like, you know, people start
with the grounding, they start

with the nervous system reset.

Audree: Right, but that's
what stabilizes them.

The

Michael: evolution
energetics, and that's- So

Audree: they can go on the journey.

Michael: Exactly, and so that's
where it all kinda ties together.

Audree: Well, that's what I'm saying.

It, it, it's just like this vague ev-
you know, evolutionary journey for the

sake of evolution doesn't make any sense

And, and to be that vague, I
think does people a disservice

Michael: Right.

I, I agree.

I mean, like, if I go back to, you know,
my story of, of this epic quest for

self-kindness, there's a definite purpose.

And so I think, you know, my, my
message really for anyone listening

is, like, what is your purpose?

Like, what is the, what is the big
yes in your system that is the thing

that you want or that you wanna
change, and, and, and go for it.

Audree: Just like every organization
needs an evolutionary purpose so the

people that work there can bond to
that purpose, so when they wake up

every morning, they're happy to go
to work, and they're happy to kind of

figure out how to function together.

Yeah.

So

Michael: find whatever it is
for you and, and then show up to

your life to, to make it happen.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And that's
what the tools are for.

Audree: I think that's better.

Michael: Yeah.

How does that sound?

Audree: That sounds way better.

Michael: Wonder Twin powers.

Audree: I want more structure.

You want less structure.

It's so bizarre.

We're so weird together.

It's

Michael: natural

You Mr.

Q

Winterson powers?

Audree: Oh, activate

Michael: All right.

Should we clo- ready to close?

Audree: I'm so anti-Wonder Twin powers.

Michael: But, you know,
there's always tomorrow.

Audree: Oh.

Michael: Or one minute from now.

Audree: Oil and water do
make great salad dressing.

Or oil and vinegar.

Michael: Vinegar, yeah.

Audree: Oh, and vinegar.

Are you oil?

Yeah Or are you vinegar and I'm oil?

Michael: More like, um,
chocolate and peanut butter.

Audree: Oh.

How about peanut butter and yogurt?

That's so good.

The Mary special.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Mm.

Michael: Mm.

Okay.

Audree: Okay, people.

Michael: All right, three minutes?

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: All right, let's just
tune into frequency D2 transmission

Thank you for joining us.

Let's be evolutionary