B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Audree: Well, I feel like we should have
microphones hanging in our living room.

Um, because we walk in here, and
then we're in meditation, and then

we have these amazing conversations.

So welcome to our living room.

And then we're having these amazing
conversations, and then at some

point it's like a distraction 'cause
we're in the, we're in the middle of

talking, and then we have to mic up.

Michael: Hmm.

Versus just retroactively going back
and saying, "Oh, we could … The

podcast actually started a while ago."

Audree: Yeah, it did.

Michael: Fun fact.

So, uh, we were just talking about
the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey.

So I guess this is, uh, continuing the
vein of Disclosure Day and, um, our- And

Audree: we just watched
the movie last night.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Like, for real this, for reals-

Michael: Yeah

… Audree: this time.

Michael: And it's, it's, uh, you
know, I, I remember watching it,

you know, when I was young, and it
just like, "Okay, I don't get this."

And I was actually … There was
actually, like, a bit of fear

in my system of watching this.

It's like, "Oh, my God, this
might be the most boring, watching

the paint dry while you're

you know, kinda movie," 'cause that's
kinda like the flavor I had of it.

And I thought, "Well, you know what?

It's a highly rated movie, and
it's about contact, and, you know,

like, let me just give it a go."

And I know Audrey didn't
wanna watch it either.

Is

Audree: your mic on?

Michael: Yeah, it's on.

Audree: Oh, okay.

Yeah.

'Cause you're playing with the-

Michael: No, I'm just playing
with the base station 'cause-

Audree: But I don't see the

Oh, there it is.

Michael: There it is.

Yeah.

Audree: Um,

Michael: anyway, so-

Audree: It's a gorgeous movie.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And I loved how slow it was.

Yeah.

Oh, it felt so good in my system.

Michael: It was actually … Yeah.

It was … It's so-

I guess we're just gonna
talk about the movie.

It's not-- I mean, I
mean, there's nothing…

I think, I think for me it's just I
didn't really get it, and it's only now

kind of with what's happened with this
journey of consciousness and evolution

that, that I've been on that I get it as
like, oh, wait a second, this is-- these

are the, the, you know, the kind of the
so to speak aliens, you know, in the,

in the shape of this big black monolith,
which everyone knows about and so on,

that are, that are giving the gift of
higher consciousness through experience.

And, um, you know, even how, you
know, the, the very, very, you know,

artistic ending to the movie where
it-- they're using s- symbology

to represent this evolution of
consciousness and the, the death of

the old and the, the birth of the new.

And, uh, Audrey made this comment.

She's saying, "Oh, well, you know, uh,
do you wanna, do you wanna share what

you're sharing about s- survival?"

Audree: Well, first of all, we both
thought it was interesting that, or

Michael made the comment about it's
interesting how in this movie they,

they show that this monolith gives a
shift in consciousness to the apes,

and then the apes take, uh, tools.

They figure out that they can use
bones, and they start killing, um,

other animals for survival And then, and
then we reflect on the movie and- And

Michael: then killing, killing the other
apes to get to access the water hole-

Audree: Right

Michael: so that they can have, you know,
access to supply and resources and so on.

So killing their own, own species and-

Audree: Right.

And then, and then in the movie, Hal,
which is this artificial intelligence, uh,

h- um, hears a conversation between the
humans that they're gonna unplug the Hal,

the computer, because it's malfunctioning.

And so Hal, the computer, starts
killing the, the, the humans on

the, on the ship for survival.

Mm-hmm.

And so we're reflecting on how the
movie is showing, showing how a shift

in consciousness leads to violence, you
know, because the, the species becomes

self-aware, and then it wants to survive.

And, and, and so I'm thinking, well, maybe
the, the whole entire movie is that these,

the higher beings are creating a human,
a new human coming to the planet because

they're trying to fix what they created,
which was they gave higher consciousness

to the apes, and the apes became violent.

Humanity becomes violent.

You know, maybe they're, they're
wanting a do-over with this new b-

the new baby coming to the planet.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

And then I was thinking about,
well, h- you know, I, you know,

I know humans are constructed.

That's kind of like what I've been
immersed in for the last forever.

And I'm thinking, well,
okay, wait, how- Well,

Audree: that's part of
disclosure would be- Yeah

that humanity was a, was a, a
race of beings that was created by

another race of beings, not, uh, not
natural … What is it called, Darwin?

Michael: Not natural evolution-

Audree: Not natural evolution

… Michael: random sequence.

Audree: Yeah.

Right, 'cause there's, there's- Yeah
… even in the Neanderthals, there's

a huge gap between Neanderthal and
humanoid, and n- science can't figure out

I don't know if they've figured
out the, the missing link.

There's always been a missing link.

Michael: Yeah, so-

Audree: And there's all conspiracy
theories how, how extraterrestrials-

Michael: Yeah, I don't, I w- w- I mean,
I don't think we wanna go into that.

Audree: But it's … Wait a minute.

Hold on, 'cause it's not a
conspiracy theory because-

Michael: It's not even relevant- N-

for what I wanna say, so.

Audree: But hold on.

Gnostics also believe that the
gods came down and created humans.

Sumerians have the same belief system.

There's indigenous cultures all over the
world that say, you know, gods came in

f- uh, flying disks and created their s-
their, their culture, their people, their-

Michael: Okay.

So that's what other people say.

Are you gonna talk about what the
teachings we've received are, or no?

Audree: Uh, that's the teaching
that I received, that, that

there were beings that came-

Michael: Mm-hmm

… Audree: and spliced their genetics with
Neanderthals, and that that's why there's

violence in our species- Right … because
the animal-like behavior, the primitive

animal behavior can't be bred out of us.

But then you were saying
something different- Right.

Well, so, so- … and I said,
"Well, we better mic up."

Michael: Yeah.

So, so, well- That's where we got to
… well, this is where I go, like, under- Now

Audree: you're all caught up- Well,
I- … on our, our early morning-

Michael: Right

… Audree: discussion.

Michael: Well, so this is
where I am around disclosure.

Well, the disclosure is that all
of what Audrey's saying has been

confirmed by the Xi, and e- even much
more technical detail that we're not

gonna go into here, which directly
relates to the situation of evolution

of consciousness that humanity's in.

Right?

Essentially, that we were created
in the deviation, um, and that was

not as, you know, intended, right?

That, that's kind of like a,
a no-no in universal law to-

Audree: Right, like violence
is part of the deviation.

Michael: Yeah.

So it's, it's just in … So
it doesn't matter what you

think about the origin story.

It's just you'll notice that violence
is inherent in human nature, right?

Audree: Okay.

And it all stems from survival-based-

Michael: Right.

So that's where, that's where … So
let's come back to the baby

coming back to the planet.

Okay, well, how are, how, how, how can
this baby help this new consciousness,

let's call it new consciousness, help-

Audree: Higher consciousness

… Michael: higher consciousness that's
coming actually solve for survival?

And then I'm actually looking at, like,
the, all the mechanics and the this and

that, and from this angle and that angle

And if you look at the mechanics

Survival is directly
connected with separation

And so when we think we're separate

I mean, that's all we
experience in our life.

We know we, we think we're separate.

We think we're a, a body mind
running around the world, and my

name is so-and-so, and I was born
such and such date, and I will die

on such a, you know, eventually.

And I wanna survive.

I don't wanna be killed, and I
wanna, you know, survive and make

sure I have resources and so on.

Audree: And at the same time, you're
also fighting to be independent.

Like, you don't wanna be-
Mm-hmm … connected to your parents.

You don't wanna be, you know, y-
you don't wanna work for somebody.

Michael: Right.

So, so, so here, here, here's my,
my dad, you know, 94 years old.

Uh-huh.

I mean, so this is part of the
gift of everything that's showing

up right now in, in, in my life.

He, and I'm watching him, and, you know,
he said, "Well, if I deteriorate past this

point, I don't wanna be on this planet."

And what I see is over the last three
years, he keeps on moving the, you

know, the, the line, the deadline,
make a joke here, of like, oh, I

need at least to be able to do this.

I need to at least go for a run every day.

And then, you know, he can't
do that, and he, you know.

And then so, and then even now,
you know, he's, you know, very,

very limited in his functioning.

And, you know, I can see the problem
that he has, is while he understands

the situation perfectly, there's a part
of him that says, "I'm afraid of death.

I just wanna survive.

I'm afraid of death.

I just wanna survive."

Audree: Right, 'cause he keeps
saying, "I don't wanna live if I

can't do everything that I love.

So if I can't jog five miles a day- Right
… and lift my weights, and go to the store,

and be independent, I don't wanna live."

And now he's at that place
where he can't even walk.

He can't go to the store
anymore 'cause he keeps falling.

The house isn't set up for him.

C- there's stairs.

The bathroom's upstairs.

Like, the house isn't- It's

Michael: a struggle.

Just daily life is a struggle for him.

Right.

Audree: He can't cook for himself.

Yeah.

Like, it's getting dangerous.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And-

Michael: So, so but, and- He's

Audree: always said, okay, at that
point, 'cause he can't function in his

home anymore, he wa- he'll wanna die.

Yeah.

He'll

Michael: die.

And I don't wanna go to a home
and all this sort of thing.

But

Audree: now he is, can't do that,
and now he can't die either.

He's struggling to survive.

Yeah,

Michael: so that, that's my point.

I d- the details don't matter.

Mm-hmm.

But the, the point is that even in
this situation, there's this part which

says, "No, no, no, I wanna survive.

I don't wanna die," right?

And all of this is because
we think we are separate.

Now, the only solution to survival is to
not be separate, is to actually understand

the truth of what and who we are as
source consciousness incarnated in the

material realm, and of course, that's
the whole process of purification of

the deviation out of all this distorted
belief systems of what and who we are.

And so there is no end to survival

Like, there is no end to the fear.

There is no end to the worry.

There is no psychological safety possible
as a separated human being because

th- the mechanics don't support it.

That's not, that's not
part of that structure.

That structure's based on self-hatred.

It's based on fear.

It, it, it's just, it's based on lack.

That's the nature of what it means
to be a human being on planet Earth.

Audree: Pick me.

Michael: Audrey for 500.

Audree: Thank you.

Thank you, Bob.

Um, I'm just, m- while you're speaking,
I, m- I'm thinking about how in s- this

society that we live in across the globe,
we're living in a death cult, and it's,

and it's the fear-based model of you only
have one life, and you must, you know,

function in this, you know, perfect way
because when you die, you're gonna be

judged, and you're not gonna go to heaven.

You're gonna go to hell.

And it's like this, you know?

It's like this beautiful,
beautiful kind of

Oh, you're looking at the clock I gave you

Well, it says, "Enjoy life.

After all, it is not a
dress rehearsal" Exactly.

And usually it's not about enjoying life,
it's about, it's about fear of death

Right?

Even that is like fear of death.

Interesting, it's on a clock.

Time.

You only have a certain amount of time

And everything is about, is fear-based

Michael: Well, even on the front of it, it
says, "There is no time better than now."

And, you know, I think, I think
part of what you get to is,

well, there, there, you know…

I wouldn't say this is…

It, it, it's emerging as the, the reality
of the dawning in my consciousness,

but there actually is no time, right?

That everything we do with time, you
know, the past and getting stuck up

and caught up in the past and thinking
about the future and worrying about

the future- We're- … um, is, is
actually preventing us from functioning

in h- what we're, we're doing now.

I think Joel has this beautiful,
beautiful discussion of, of, of this,

uh, in one of his, uh, his audios.

Audree: Of course he does.

Michael: Yeah.

Um, but, uh, and so, you know what I mean?

But it's quite a thing to really
even grasp that, you know, the past

is just a present moment creation
based on your state of functioning,

your vibrational frequency and
perceptions, and same in the future.

And so that, that's, that's actually
the mechanism through which we're

creating our reality 'cause it's
just us and our frequency and our

perceptual state that is our frequency
that's creating everything going on.

And so, you know, that kind
of collapses the whole thing.

So, so yeah, so we think that there
is time, that our time is finite,

and that, you know, something, you
know, and, and there's this, this

intrinsic fight for survival, right?

Survival.

That they are driving everything.

Audree: And then when we think about
the past, we're, we feel guilt, shame,

judgment, regret of our actions that
were survival-based to begin with

And to be, to be fair, it's like
did anybody really have the tools?

You know, we didn't, we
didn't come with a manual.

We didn't come with this kind of-
… teaching about consciousness and the,

the mechanics of creation and who and
what we are when we're very young.

We only have the-

Michael: We only have bad examples
that take us in the wrong di- Bad

wrong directions.

Audree: Right.

Or, or, you know, the, the major
religions that, that are the death

cult that don't really teach you how
to live, uh, o- only, you know, be

kind to your neighbor, don't steal.

Thou shalt not kill actually means thou
shalt not kill even animals, but they

don't say that, so now you're, you're like

It just, it just goes on and on and on.

Michael: You know what you were
saying about you don't get a manual?

It's like really like consciousness,
the consciousness that you are, is

such a sophisticated, complex machinery

Like it, it, it truly is,
like it's extraordinary.

It's extraordinary the level of
sophistication and complexity.

And, you know, I guess
this is kind of the rub.

It's not that you need to understand
how you're intended to function, which

ultimately that we hope if you're
listening to this you'll get to, but

understand how you're not functioning
as you're intended to function, right?

And having awareness of these lower
frequency deviated ways of functioning

that is not actually our, our true nature.

And so I think part of the joke
for me, you know, in the last, I

mean, this has been ongoing, but
really in the last few days, I've

been in an inte- intense, intense
transformation program, has been, uh-

has been this realization
that there's no becoming

There is no becoming something other than
what we are and that this whole journey

is of coming into the understanding

You know, they, people use the term
self-realization, but, but really

coming into this understanding- The self

Audree: becomes real.

Michael: It's coming to this understanding

that everything that I thought
I was is not what I am.

And so there's, there's no, you know,
kind of becoming one with source or

becoming one with God, because what
we're doing, what the mechanic is, is

that we're letting go of everything
that is n- that is blocking that truth

that's just there in our being right now

And even now, we're on the
step of working with the mind.

Like, I was always wondering, right?

You know, you know, that she had
this in this training program

and, you know, you know we're-

Audree: No, they don't know.

Michael: Well, we're month, month- We

Audree: keep saying you know, you know.

Okay, anyway.

You know.

It drives me crazy.

I say it too, so- Okay, good

… Michael: uh,

Audree: it's not that
I don't- You're welcome

Michael: say it.

So we've said this before on the
podcast, that we're, we are in a

training program, Audrey and I are in
a training program that the she are

conducting to shift our consciousness.

And I, I kept on going, well, when
are we getting, like, to the mind?

When are we getting to thoughts?

Like, and it's always been kind of there
in the background, and it's kind of like,

well, like, we finally did, and it's
like, w- well, now I know why we waited.

It's 'cause nothing would've worked until
now because it's kind of like the, um

I, I guess this is the,
the point I wanna say here.

The monkey mind doesn't go away.

It just, the mind comes into alignment
with its correct functioning.

So it, it's same as the
egoic consciousness.

The egoic consciousness doesn't go away.

It comes into alignment with
its correct functioning.

And so when we come into alignment with
our correct functioning, it's not that

we're getting rid of survival, it's
just that the, the, the, the structures

driving survival-based behavior,
thinking, the fear, they're, they're gone.

Audree: Hmm.

Michael: And so, so when I think
about that in the movie, getting

back to the movie, that, that baby
coming back and, you know, Audrey

was saying, "Well, maybe it's to,"
you know, end the survival thing.

Well, well really that's the only way.

The, the only way is this from
a mecha- I'm, I'm … It's

not even like an opinion.

It's like just what we've experienced
and been taken through is, is just

us knowing the mechanism of human
consciousness is this is how it works.

It's not like an opinion or a theory.

It's just this is the mechanism.

It's

Audree: gnosis-based.

It's experiential.

It's what we've both found out
independently experiential-

Michael: Right

Audree: through our own
evolutionary experience.

Michael: Which is what we've been teaching
to our students for, you know, prob- like

a decade now, is like, "Don't trust us.

Don't, don't believe what we say.

Check it out with your own experience.

Just what if it were true?"

Mm-hmm.

"What if it were true?"

And

Audree: And that's what
we say on the website.

What if it were true?

Michael: I remember, um

You know, there's this term, you
know, you know, take a leap of faith.

And I think for this journey,
there's no faith required.

There's only believing
your own direct experience.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: There's only accepting the truth
of your own direct experience in place of

everything that may be different from you.

You

Audree: know what I'm
getting right now too?

Is that I know for me, my journey
that started my whole life, and

really started in the early 1990s,
has always been survival based.

How can I improve myself?

How can I be more successful
in my, in my career?

'Cause I have to make money to survive.

Like, it's always been survival based.

Or even if I, I'm making money-
Yeah … to survive, now I

need relationship to survive.

Like, I'm noticing, I'm very, very aware
right now, it's all been survival based.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: And I guess that's the trick to
get anybody to shift their consciousness,

is that you need, you need desire.

And what is your desire?

Well, your desire is to live
an extra- even if it's to live

a better life, or even if- Mm

you're saying, "Oh, I wanna live an
extraordinary life, 'cause life right now

is, is good, and I want it even better."

So we go from this survival base,
like I just want to be able to

pay my bills, I want healthy
relationships, I want a healthy body.

That's all survival based.

And then you see it's good, and
now you're like, "Okay, now I

want more," so it's even better.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

So I'm, I'm reminded of this
moment, I think this was last week

of being in this place of
letting go of all identity,

letting go of like, okay, well

You know we may become bankrupt.

Okay

Okay, Audrey may leave.

Okay.

Like, you know, I may be
reduced to nothingness.

Okay.

Well, you know, who's got
an issue with that, right?

Like, like, like…

And, and it's like w- So the
thing is we cling to our identity

we cling to our identity.

And, and it's not that you sh-
anyone listening should try

to let go of your identity.

That's not, not what I'm suggesting here.

What, what, what I am pointing
out is that th- this is, like, the

final letting go, if you think about
the word letting go or surrender.

And, you know, what's connecting with
me is like, oh, well, that's directly

connected with letting go of the survival.

Because if we're attached to our identity,
if we're attached to having a certain

financial level, if we're attached
to having a certain relationship,

if we're attached to anything
about the world being a certain way

That is the survival mechanism.

That's the lock that we are placing
on ourselves that are preventing

us from knowing what and who we are

That's my insight of the moment.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I went through that in January

There's a difference
between nice to have, right?

It's all nice to have

Michael: I mean, it's really easy to
say, "Well, you know, I just wanna, you

know, you know, get me some, some peace.

Get me some, you know, divine love and,
and be in the bliss, and I just wanna,

I just wanna add that to what's here."

Right?

Like, I'm good, but I just wanna add, you
know, g- more goodness to what's here.

But see, see like the
mechanism doesn't support that.

Like, the mechanism is that no, no,
no, no, what's there is what you need

to let go of because it's blocking
the goodness that's beyond that.

I remember one of my teachers,
John Mark Stroud, said, you know,

"It's like giving up a rag doll
for a real, real relationship."

Audree: Oh, I'm a rag doll now?

Michael: It's not talking about
the relationship It's a joke.

It's talking about, it's talking about the
life that we cling to for the life that

we c- actually could w- that is actually
there for us when we let go of that-

Audree: Right

… Michael: limitation.

Audree: Like imag-

Michael: That survival

… Audree: imagining being in a
relationship where you actually

don't need the person to be there.

There's not this survival-based
mechanism, or there's not this

neediness that, that comes over you.

There's just this joy and a peace
of being in a, a person's presence.

There's nothing else there

You don't need them to
show up a certain way.

You don't need them to
take the garbage out.

You don't need them to make you happy.

Your happiness is not
dependent on the other person

Michael: Survival

It's the, uh-

Audree: It has an er in it.

Did you notice that?

Michael: Survive.

Audree: Sur.

Michael: Yes.

Sure does

Audree: And Bible.

It's like the, a vial of er

that you're injecting into your being

Michael: So, so a fun exercise,
if you're interested in exercise,

would be just to look at where
everything in your life is survival

Audree: And to be fair, we
are a, a, a delicate species

Michael: What?

Audree: Currently.

We don't have psi powers.

We don't have the full functioning
of our brain capacity and, and

our, our true ability to function.

We don't h- we don't- We don't

Michael: have access to fly.

Audree: Yeah.

Even the way society is set up
right now, if you think about it,

we don't even grow our own food.

So we can't feed ourselves without
going to the store, so we need money,

and the only way to get money is to
have a job, and the only way to have

a job, unless you're, you're, you're

You have your own business.

Even if you have your own business,
then you're dependent on, you have

customers that are giving you money.

It's like we're, we're an
interconnected species.

We're dependent on each other to
live, and then we get so angry

about it instead of being in joy.

Like, oh, like how cool is it?

We have to come together and
co-create to, to, to create, you

know, supply and it's a good thing.

But we don't, we don't live like that.

We're, we're angry that we're
dependent on each other.

We have all, you know, the…

I hate saying you know.

Sorry, guys

We have a whole entire
psychological industry that says,

"Oh, inter-inter-interdependence
is, is bad, bad, bad.

You shouldn't be dependent on anybody.

Bad, bad, bad."

And, and we're even saying it here,
"Oh, we're …" Surrender of, of what?

Of the survival-based mechanisms.

When you surrender your survival-based
mechanisms, you start to understand that

you are dependent on the other person, or
you are dependent on, on having certain

things, certain means, certain s- kind
of supply to, to live, to survive, to be.

Yet it's … It, it
doesn't end the dependency.

It ends your perception on the dependency

And then you're in joy, you're
in bliss, you're, you're in

Michael: I think the other thing for me is

You know, everyone wants to kind
of get into that state, get into

that high vibrational state or,
you know, the state of feeling

connectedness and something to get

Whereas the mechanic

is that

the way you actually
stabilize that in your being

The way you actually realize it
fully, not just have a taste of it

but actually have it in your being is
by letting go of all that is not that

That's why there's no becoming.

There's, you know, it's, it's really about
purification or a shift of perception

or a shift of vibrational frequency.

All these terms characterize
what the actual mechanics are

Audree: You know how all this started

But first of all, I wanna say one
thing the first lesson in all of

this in your evolutionary journey
or shift of consciousness, shifting

perception the purification is grounding

Stabilizing your own being so the
mind feels comfortable and held

And that self-mastery is about finding
that stability within your own being

and the tools and techniques to do
that, to stabilize into the Earth

So the mind feels held and safe

And then you go on the journey to
realize, to do the purification,

to shift the perspective, to shift
the feeling, which is vibration

And then you start to have these
experiences that you're not separate.

So you can deepen into the
feeling of psychological safety.

The vibrational … The vibration
gets higher, more refined.

Michael: And then you can perceive more.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Clear.

Audree: And it's only then when you're
that stable that you can begin to start

to surrender and let go of the identity

But I'll remind you, I don't
know when this was, maybe at

the beginning of the week.

It's Sunday, so maybe around
Monday or something like that.

But the shiv said

contemplate your need for being
special or your desire to be special

And that's when we started
working with the mind

But that's how it started.

It didn't start with, "Hey, why don't you
start looking at the mind and thoughts

and how the mind is functioning?"

They just gently said, "Hey why
don't you contemplate being special

or the desire to be special and
what that, what is that about?"

Michael: Well, kind of go back
and forth in that whole thing.

Like, I know they get the
mechanics of creation.

I don't have any question about that.

I know that

That they can understand what the
trajectory is and the plan is.

But the part that it's like,
it's almost like we're…

You know, sometimes I get the feeling that
we're, you know, crash test humans, right?

Like, while they understand all
the theory and all the mechanisms,

that the complexities are so great
that it's like, well, you know,

how do we get, how do we get…

These people aren't really s-
you know, Audrey and Michael,

wow, they're really stuck.

Like, how do we get them out of this?

Like, what's the next move, right?

Like, it feels like, this
is the feeling I get, right?

Like, it, it's not like…

I mean, if you- when I look at it,
you know, structurally in creation,

this has never been done before.

Mm-hmm.

Right?

So it's not like there's a,
there's a, you know, how do you

take people out of the deviation?

Well, there, there never
was a deviation before.

This is the first, first go at it.

So, like, you know, how do you, how do
you take a, a, a race of beings born

into the deviation, you know, created
in the deviation, and bring them out of

it, you know, as this, you know, this,
the greatest experiment of all time?

And, uh, you know, that's
what we're in, like, right?

So I get this feeling of like, you
know, where they're going like,

"Ah, this is not working yet.

Shit."

Like, "Okay, we'll go do this thing here."

Which is of course the nature of
creation, is experimentation, right?

'Cause if it was known, you know,
what would be the, the fun in that?

Audree: It's like playing chess.

There's never the same game twice,
and you have to wait for the person

to make the move before you can-

Michael: Yeah

… Audree: really.

I mean, even if you
could see 10 moves ahead.

Michael: 10 potential moves
ahead, depending on what happens.

Audree: Exactly.

Yeah.

And so it's not that they
don't know what to do.

I think they're reading the system-

Michael: Yeah

Audree: and seeing, oh, this
is what the block is right

now- Yeah … in this moment.

Michael: Creation is,
creation is so weird.

It's like that we're the
ones determining the journey-

and deciding when to take,
move to the next step

And then at the same time, there's a--
This is true for Audrey and I right

now, but it's true for all of us, that
we're the ones in control, and that when

we say yes, then there's an emergence
and a flow that may take time or have

the perception of time because that's
what's needed for the construct to unfold

And for s- the supply that's always
there, all the guidance, all the supply,

everything that we need for the journey is
always there waiting for us to say yes to

that next step and allow things to unfold.

And I think, you know, when looking
at it, the greatest challenge is

having, going through this process
is that we're going through this

process blindfolded because- Sort

Audree: of

… Michael: with, well, w-
we're blindfolded, right?

And, you know.

Audree: No, I don't know.

Michael: Well

Having seen where we've been is like
th- there's always just taking that

next step, that next step, that saying
yes and then finding out where where

that brings us, where that takes us

And the, the, the, the nature of the,
the, the construct is it can't be any…

I think this is what they, they actually
talked about in the last, like recently,

was it can't be any different from that
'cause we need to claim our own experience

of what creation is for ourselves.

And while we can talk, tell you, or take
you through a, a training program to

give you the information, the information
is just there for you to have your own

experience, your own understanding.

Audree: It's funny because I've wanted
to do, uh, another podcast about the guru

M- m- 'cause we, we had a conversation
with one of our students and, and he

said, "Oh, Audra, I know you don't,
you don't like the guru thing."

And, um,

And, a- and so, so we could
bring up this point right now.

Uh, to be honest with you, I love the guru

I, I, please re-

Michael: The real guru, the real deal

Audree: So I love the guru.

And while Michael was just speaking, I'm
laughing 'cause we, we let go of our guru.

A guru is a teacher

And there's been many,
many gurus all through.

Mm-hmm.

You know, Jesus was a
guru, Buddha was a guru.

There have been many, many gurus
throughout the history of humanity.

And the guru is a, a teacher, one
that holds a certain teaching,

and it's usually about growth,
evolution, shift in consciousness.

And as Mike was talking, I'm
laughing because we're gurus.

We're teachers.

We hold information for evolution.

And what I've known for, for,
for a very long time, it's

maybe 20 years now, is that

There's on- there's a, a consciousness
that is the guru consciousness- Okay

… and it flows into certain beings, and then
these beings go and they teach others.

They teach humanity.

They hold, they hold the teaching.

They hold a, a certain transmission
so that humans can evolve

And also what I've been seeing through
my own evolution is that what happens

is that the teacher becomes hijacked.

And I, I talk about this
in my book, Evolutionary

Energetics, which is not out yet.

But a lot of my journey since 2012- Yeah

was that I've watched my teachers become
hijacked by the egoic consciousness,

and stop doing the work, and stop
doing the evolutionary process.

And it, it harms, it harms the
teaching, it harms the transmission.

It lessens the, the, the power of the
transmission to shift consciousness

And with that, this passion arose
in me of my own evolutionary journey

to make sure that I don't get
hijacked, that my egoic consciousness

dissolves so I can bring the teaching
of evolutionary energetics out into

the world because I don't wanna harm
the transmission of the teaching.

That's what has been my journey at,
in the beginning, in the early '90s

was about survival, and now it came
about … My journey has been about

how can I bring this work out into the
world and not damage the transmission

of it by my own egoic consciousness,
about my own desire to be special

I didn't wanna fuck it up

And so my passion about letting
go of the guru stems from that.

It's not that the guru is bad.

It's just when you start to, um

You start to see the guru as better
than you or more special than you.

Or the guru says, "Worship me," or,
"Pray to me and I will save you."

That's what I have a problem with because
then you're giving your power away to

another human being even though, yes, they
have a teaching, they have a transmission,

they are special, and they're guiding you.

We cannot do this journey
without being guided.

And th- I'm laughing about that 'cause
we gave up, we gave up our guru from

India who has been holding us and
teaching us for all this time, and even

he at the beginning said, you know, "At
some point you'll be your own teacher.

You'll have your own teaching, and
then you can let, let all of this go

And that's true.

And then he changed his tune, or
the organization changed their

tune and said, "No, no, no, no, no.

You gotta, you know, you're not done yet.

You have to stay here.

You have to worship the guru, and the
guru is God," and da, da, da, da, da.

And, uh, and, and I've realized while
in doing that, you give your power away.

You're continuously giving your power
away, and then you're dissipated, and

you don't have self-mastery, and you
keep on depending on an outside being.

Michael: So, so this is
where … Can I chime in now?

Audree: Yes.

Michael: Yeah.

So I think my perspective
has shifted a lot

I think for one, for people who
really hold, like, true teachings,

true capabilities, and act as
gurus and are helping people, that

there's just a lot of gratitude-

Audree: Mm-hmm

… Michael: for what they have done-

Audree: Yes

… Michael: up until this point in time.

And what do I mean by that?

Well, what they've done throughout
history, not just, you know, into

current age, but throughout history,
is they've held the, the spark of

the original intention for this
universal frequency alive in humanity.

They've helped support growth
of beings that wanted to grow.

And so, and not only that, they
have improved the lives of people.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: They've given them practices.

They've given them teachings.

And everything-- I'm gonna be very, I'm
gonna make a very clear statement here.

Everything that they've given,
every single guru on the planet,

is for survival, coming back to
the term survival, survival in your

incarnated form during the deviation.

It is for survival only.

So the s- the practice or the
sadhana you have to make you feel

better, it does make you feel better.

It's here to help you
survive the deviation.

It is not here to help you evolve.

The teachings that they give you to help
you navigate life, it is for survival.

It is not for evolution.

So right now, for, you know, millions
of people, may- many, many more, I don't

know how many, all over the planet, that
are doing practices or ac- you, you know,

praying to their guru for miracles, you
know, if you pray to your guru for a

miracle, you can probably get a miracle.

You can get a, like a-- 'cause,
'cause they're, they're just using the

mechanics of creation meant for survival.

But what you're doing in that moment is y-
when you're, you're, you're working with

a guru is you're saying, "You know what?

I prefer having a comfortable
lifestyle or, you know, whatever comes

with this instead of my evolution.

I do not wanna know the
truth of what and who I am.

I do not wanna end the pain of survival.

I wanna keep it, but I wanna use this
technology of the guru to take the edge

off," because that's what it's there for.

Mm-hmm.

It's like, um, if we look at
medicine, it's like a painkiller.

Hmm.

The gurus give you painkillers.

They don't give you a cure.

What we're saying here is that
the cure for humanity is here.

It's now.

It's time.

It's me.

It's you.

It's possible

The cure for suffering, not the
Band-Aid, not the painkiller, not the

mitigation, not the workaround, not
the pretend reframing and distortion

So that's my view on the guru is
thank you for what you've done.

Thank you for all you've created, and
thank you for continuing to help all those

people who do not want to evolve now.

Thank you for helping give them the
Band-Aid, the, the salve, the painkiller

until they exit because they do not want
to evolve, and they need something to

help them with the pain and the misery.

Thank you for that.

And for those who want real
evolution, the guru is not the place.

It n- was the place during the
deviation to get some level of

evolution, some level of attainment.

It is not what is called upon us
for now and what's possible with

the mechanics of creation that are
opening to humanity at this time

and the frequencies that are here.

Audree: And I think I have
a, a good way to explain it.

I had this conversation
with my sister yesterday.

Thank goodness.

And she said, "Oh, I'll pray for you."

And I said, "Please do not pray for me."

And she's like, "I'm, you
know, I'm sorry, Aud."

She's like, "But I can manifest things.

I can help you.

My prayers work."

And I said, "No, thank you."

And I said, "I, I don't mean to be rude.

I'm not being rude.

I'm just saying that when you pray,
what you're telling the universe is

that there's something wrong with me

And that, that prayer just continues
the thought into the universe

that there's something wrong

You know, you think- … you
think you're praying for financial

success, but what you're really
doing is telling the universe, "I

don't h- It hasn't been an hour yet?

Michael: It's been 50 minutes.

Audree: Really?

Michael: Fun fact.

Audree: I thought we started at 9:15.

Michael: It's been 50 minutes.

I don't know how time goes on your watch.

Wait

Audree: a minute.

That's weird, because it was 9:15
on the clock when we started.

I,

Michael: I can't, I can't,
I can't, uh, explain that.

Audree: That's bizarre.

Time is moving very strange.

Which is all part of this too.

It's that navigating this time
on the planet is very odd, and

it can be very scary for people

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Anyways, so

I just told my sister, I said,
"Thank you for praying for me.

It's just that my, my understanding of
prayer now is very, very different."

Michael: I don't even know why you bother.

I'm just like, "Oh, thank you."

There's no point.

Audree: I know.

Michael: She's not your audience.

She's never gonna hear you.

Audree: I want her to, though.

Until,

Michael: until she chooses.

I know.

Which should be never, which is fine.

Audree: No, you can't be a guru to
your own family, and your own friends.

Michael: Well, o- o- once you
have, once you reach, uh, you know-

Audree: I know

Michael: a million or 10 million,
then they might go, "What?

Wait, what were they saying?"

Audree: Then they might
miss out in this lifetime.

Michael: Yeah.

It's okay.

I know.

And that's fine, too.

I think with this, I just wanna say one
more t- given as far as time here, but

a closing thought, which is this just
comes back to the perfection of creation.

And what we don't understand is that
everything that's happened in our life

is actually perfect, and is exactly what
is the best thing that could've happened,

and the only thing that could've happened.

And then you think about free will,
and choice, and blahda, blahda,

blahda, blahda, blahda, blahda.

Um, so it gets very, very confusing there.

I'm not gonna go in that now,
but, but this is really what

it comes down to, is that-

We can just say yes to the journey

Audree: Kind of like being a parent.

So today is Father's Day in North America.

So happy Father's Day to all
the, the fathers out there.

If you think about being a parent

The challenge is that you have
this child that's an individual

That you could only teach it, you
could be the child's guru, yet you

have to let go, and the child has to,
has to, to be on their own and, and

have their own experience of life and
learn and grow, have their own gnosis

have their own self-mastery

Michael: Hmm.

Beautiful And,

Audree: and there's
nothing you can do about it

Michael: Mm-hmm

Audree: Hmm.

Happy Father's Day, Michael

Michael: Thank you

I am complete

Audree: And I'm complete

Michael: Okay, we'll begin
with-- close with three minutes

of I Ching mantra transmission.

Here we go

Thank you for joining us today.

Let's be evolutionary