B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Michael: So here we are in our living
room and the, the adventure continues.

So as usual, I was just sharing
what's going on with me, and

then Audrey says, "Well, hey, you
know, we, we should just mic up

And and so what's been happening for
me is this, you know, these, these

deep aspects of feeling like struggle
or unworthy or shame or, you know,

these, these tight, gnawing sensations.

This, this pattern that's been going
on over the last few weeks of, of just

seeing what it is, seeing the, the
structure of it, like the actual light

codes that are being used to form it and
seeing how the, the love of the source

consciousness is flowing through that.

And it, it's really-- it, and this
is kinda going on with that theme

of awareness of, of it's not that
it's kind of a new awareness as the

awareness is like, is like sharpened
and more precise or more prismatic

in the depth of, of experience and
understanding of what's happening.

And so in that, there's a--
there's this, this recognition

of the, the, the, the, the actual
structure and mechanics of, oh,

I'm doing this to myself, and
I've never been separate, and

this is all just a made-up story.

And then it's just like, and then
everything just dissolves with the, it

opens up with the, the seeing of it.

And what I realized is
that it's coming to have…

You know, if we think about what is
the antidote to the self-hatred, the

antidote is the, is the, is the gratitude.

Surprisingly, it's, it's…

The love is like a proxy, but
ultimately it's the gratitude.

The gratitude is the completion of the
entire experience and the recog- the full

and complete recognition of what it is.

So gratitude has, and this is my i-
insight for this moment, I'm just,

it's coming up as I explain this, has
an aspect of awareness to it, where

it's almost like love is more of a
just a pure vibrational frequency.

And so this gratitude, this awareness
in love, as love, this depth of

understanding, I'll use the word
prismatic, awareness of everything

and exactly what's happened, and that
it's really feels like it's coming,

the end is the coming back to the
beginning of the separation of the

there never was one, and that all of
this, these structures are just light.

And you know, this is not a new idea.

I've had this kind of recurring in
my being for, you know, two years.

And, and what, but what's happening is
we're moving away, we're moving from

just like this pure kind of conceptual
understanding of open to the understanding

of that's what's happening, to the direct

Experience in our awareness
of exactly what's happening.

It's that experiential un-
awareness that unlocks everything.

And so what the, our guides have been
taking us this through is that the,

the, the aspect of us that is creating
creator consciousness or egoic, and

egoic conscious, same thing just in
using different light codes, having

gratitude for source consciousness,
and source conscious having gratitude

for the creator consciousness, whether
it's in the f- purified form of creator

consciousness or egoic consciousness.

And, you know, when you think about that,
what, what really it comes down to, and

this is what I'm experiencing my being
this morning, is this deep gratitude

for my beingness, like all of it.

Creator conscious, egoic conscious,
source conscious, just names for

the aspects of what it is to exist.

And then I had this realization that every
single movie, every single kind of hero's

journey of the story is always the same.

It's always about the person coming to
recognize and value their own being and

value relationship, value the partnership,
value the others, the companions on the

journey, and that they can't do it alone.

And, and why?

Why is every single movie based
around the themes of coming into

recognition and appreciation of
self and coming into recognition

and appreciation of the others?

Is because that is the mechanic.

That's why we feel good
at the end of the movie.

It's because it captures an
element of the truth of the

epic journey that we're all on.

Audree: And intuitively, we all know this.

W- so we recognize it in the
story, and that's why we feel good

I have to sneeze I

Michael: wonder if I can pause in time.

Okay, so anyway, that's
what I wanted to share

Audree: Very good.

So

Michael: And it's, it's like
not, not like I haven't looked

at these parts of myself before.

It's not like they're new.

It's not like what I'm, the, the
perspective I'm bringing is new.

It, it's what it is, is there's a

It feels like a depth of
understanding in my being.

Audree: Right.

Michael: It-

Audree: Through the awareness,
the continuous awareness, the, the

insights get deeper, which means
that the cons- as the consciousness

shifts day by day, moment by moment-

Michael: Oh my God, I just got it.

Audree: What?

Michael: I just got the whole thing.

Audree: You said that yesterday.

Michael: So-

Audree: And the day before.

Michael: Shh.

So, so what the, the
creation is beautiful.

Audree: Okay, can you hand me a, a-

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: I'm sure for the listener,
the suspense is killing them.

Michael: Okay.

Audree: Oops.

Michael: Yeah, mistakes were made.

All right.

Audree: You can't toss a single-

Michael: Kleenex … Kleenex.

Doesn't work.

Maybe we should have crumpled
it and then thrown it.

Audree: Wait.

Michael: Or hand delivered.

I

Audree: have to blow my nose now.

Michael: All right.

Well, hold on, I'll pause.

Okay, well, blow- The

Audree: bayous are purifying

… Michael: blowing nose over.

So, so I was thinking, well, the, the
listeners are waiting in suspense.

I thought, well, no, they're not
waiting in suspense, they're paused.

And it's like, and I think I'm waiting
in suspense to find out what's, what I'm

gonna say next because it's so exciting.

I, I kind of have a feeling of it, but
I really don't know what's gonna come

Audree: out.

Maybe it's time to take a, uh,
station identification break.

Just kidding

Michael: Anyway, so I'm experiencing
a sense of ex- profound excitement.

Audree: All right.

So- Go already.

We're waiting.

Michael: Yeah, so, so what I got,
and this has been-- Wow, yeah.

This has, like, kind of been
this burr under my saddle about,

well, is it the frequencies?

Is it our vibrational frequencies?

Is it our awareness?

Awareness is primary, but frequency's
there, and, like, how does this all work?

And, and I just parked it.

Okay, like, I don't get it.

They're both there.

I don't really get it.

But I just got it right now.

There's this ratchet going on, a ratchet.

Like, one moves forward,
then the other moves forward.

One moves forward, and
the other moves forward.

One moves forward.

So what happens is

As we focus and tune our awareness, our
awareness kind of elevates, if you think

about climbing, like it ratchets up.

And then that awareness creates a
purification within our being as we're

seeing the truth, as we're dissolving
the lower frequency structures,

uh, or we're using that awareness
to activate the, the energetic

tools, and our frequency goes up.

And then when our frequency goes up,
and then we use those same tool-- Now

the frequency's at a higher ratchet,
then we use those awareness tools, we're

now using them at a higher frequency,
and they're more powerful, and then

the awareness ratchets up, which then
in turn ratchets up the frequency.

And so that's why this journey is
a journey of, of it seems in some

ways we describe it as self-mastery,
but there's also like a deepening, a

deepening of the practice where, wow,
and I just got this now, this is why

we keep on telling people, "Look, you
can't just focus on the frequency.

You can't just be a high-frequency hog
and just try to do these high-frequency

experiences to create the shift of
the journey because it won't work,

because you're not doing the ratchet.

Because the high frequency without the
awareness is just half of the solution."

And when I think about it deeper,
what is the high frequency?

The high frequency is the-- really
we're moving towards the, the

frequency, highest vibrational
frequencies of source consciousness.

It's the energy, it's the formless.

And what is the, the awareness?

The awareness is an understanding
of the mechanism, the structure.

So it's actually the formless and form
working together in the evolutionary

process, and it can't be any other way

So what I'm getting is a fractal
of everything we've ever talked

about in all of our work.

Audree: Well, it's interesting too,
because we've always worked energetically

And we've always worked with structure

Michael: And awareness

Audree: Like we come back to the
Structure Sohoda culture model

Michael: That's what I
was just thinking about

Audree: I, you know, that when you taught
that, the first class that I sat in on-

Michael: Mm-hmm

… Audree: in Chicago

That's when my whole entire field popped
open and I got what you were teaching.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: But you didn't know
what you were teaching either.

No, I had no idea.

And then so evolutionary energetics,
um, which is, uh, which, you know,

or originally was what the work that
I came into this organization with

And evolutionary energetics is the
opening of our, our energy field.

It's more chakras.

It's, uh, a- it's the ability to access
high vibrational frequency, which by

the way, folks, I don't normally say
this, but I'm gonna say it, is that when

you do not have these chakras open in
your energy field … Everybody's has

forgotten about chakras in the energy
field, but they're trying to access

high vibrational frequency 'cause they
know high vibrational frequency is

the thing, is the ticket, so to speak

You cannot access high vibrational
frequency unless you have the

anatomy, your, your energetic
anatomy fully opened, and that's

what Evolutionary Energetics is.

It's the teaching of that, and
it's the opening of, of those, um,

energetic components to be able to
access high vibrational frequency

So

Michael: So I'm just, I'm just realizing
something even further of this other layer

of fractal, which is kind of obvious,
but now is like, that, you know, when

we think about our partnership, it's
you're bringing the, like, primarily

holder of the energetic component.

I'm primarily holder of the,
the awareness and the structural

understanding of what it is.

Mm-hmm.

And those are the kind of the, the
two things coming together here

in this unique work that we've
co-created together, that we've been

guided or downloaded or, or shared.

But I think it's, it's also going
back to- Discovered … it's also

going back to the movie Arrival
of, you know, many become one.

You know, some assembly required.

Is that, um-

Audree: Well, that's also the
fractal … and this goes- Like,

everything has to come into harmony.

The masculine and the
feminine, you know, that's what

Evolutionary Energetics is doing.

It's opening up the, the masculine line
chakras, the feminine line chakras.

It's bringing all of the
system together in harmony.

You know, we need the energy and the
energetic structures coming into harmony.

We need the egoic consciousness
transmuting, transforming into

creator consciousness, and that
aspect of creation coming into

harmony with source consciousness.

Michael: Right.

So, so what I'm getting now is that
the coming to balance of the masc and

feminine applies just as much to the
energetics as it does to the awareness.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: And so when both of them
are coming to balance, then those two

different aspects can come into balance.

So it's- We

Audree: need the being and the doing.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Like when I was in Ireland,
and I was like, you know, agile.

It's just being.

I was like, "Well, but
what about the doing?

We need both."

Mm-hmm.

You need both.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: You can't just sit
on a mountaintop and be.

That doesn't work anymore.

It only works for your
evolutionary process, and then

you have to go out and do.

Michael: For that phase of
evolutionary process, right?

Yes.

But it's not the completion.

Audree: Mm-mm.

Michael: It's the starting.

No.

Actually, I

Audree: re- That's why when you're saying
having that, that peak experience of

being in high vibrational frequency,
the m- the mystical experience, the,

the rapture, the whole body is engaged
in this high vibrational frequency.

It feels like a ginormous
orgasm 'cause your whole body

could be shaking and exploding.

Some people call it a
kundalini activation, but-

Michael: There's no such thing

Audree: as kundalini … there's no such
thing as kundalini energy, fun fact.

You'll have to read Evolutionary
Energetics to find, to,

to enjoy that discovery.

Um-

It's not, it, it's not
just those peak experiences

Michael: It's the integration of

Audree: those peak ex-
It's the integration

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: It's the practical application

Like we always say, if th- if this work
doesn't improve your life drastically into

extraordinary levels of existence, you're
either not going all the way through or

it's just not the right thing for you

Basically, you're just not ready.

It's okay

Dun dun dun dun.

Dun dun dun

Remember how excited we were
when we first got together?

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: That was exciting.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: It's this like this
powerful, explosive, vibrational

energy coming together.

Super ex- I feel like that
kind of excitement right now.

Mm-hmm.

And I don't, I have no idea why.

I do know that, um

I shifted out of the egoic state

That's why I'm so happy

When was that process?

On Monday?

Sunday?

Michael: I think it was Monday

Yeah.

So what I'm noticing the structure, I'll
just talk about our process here, is that

when we choose to use the tools, when we
choose to put in the effort, when we start

to make our own breakthroughs, then the
support comes to complete the process.

So-

Audree: Well, it has to be a real yes

… Michael: yeah.

So, so I think the other thing is that,
you know, it comes back to the ones,

you know, we're the only ones deciding.

Audree: Can I open up the door?

Michael: Oh, yes.

Audree: What's the humidity like?

Michael: It's fine.

Audree: Okay.

Michael: Um, yeah, we're, we're
the only ones deciding what

is happening with our journey.

When we choose to step into the work,
when we choose to make that turn inward

to go beyond where we've ever gone before,
um, that's when things, things open up.

That's when, uh, everything
just starts to happen.

And so

But, you know, the other thing that I'm
kinda, you know, really realizing is

that, uh, you know, when, when you, when
people hear that, and I certainly had this

perspective, is that, "Oh, it's up to me.

I'm the one."

And then what, what can happen is
this part of us which goes crazy and

says, "Well, I'm just gonna do it
really hard, and I keep on going."

But you see that nature
doesn't work like that.

Like there's a, there's a flow to things.

Audree: You can't push.

It creates resistance.

Y-

Michael: yeah, you can't push.

It creates resistance, right?

So there's a, there's a…

I- it's really what we, you know, we
taught in our, especially our, our level

two leaders training about the listening.

Yeah.

About really, really listening to the
flow of creation, of what is useful

here, what is beneficial, what is
called for here in this situation.

And sometimes it's, you know, you
know, focusing on things, focusing

on the tools, using things.

Sometimes it's just letting go
and, like, letting things unfold.

And, you know, we have
this poster in the office.

It says, "Trust the process."

Trust the process

You know, the alternative is to
trust the mind, right, which is

the one keeping you stuck, right?

Which is, you know, our,
our default starting place.

But, you know, for me, and this is kind
of what I'm, I'm really kind of right now

just deepening into, is that it really
means about trusting that it is a process.

That it's not like a linear journey.

It's not like we can just make it happen.

That's the deviated perspective.

But to understand that there's an ebb and
flow and a rhythm and a cadence and a…

You know, and, you know, one thing I, I
say to our students is, "Look, look, it's

not a monotonically increasing journey."

It's not like, you know, every day
will be better than the last and it

will never revert, never get worse
or seemingly get worse or whatever.

Um, but what we have to understand is that
there's a, there's a flow to creation,

and it's about being in harmony of the
f- flow of our own evolutionary process

And giving ourselves the space and
time when we're needed, and then

immersing ourselves in, in kind of the,
the world to have those experiences.

And so that's, that's what I see here
'cause, 'cause this work is about, and

what's, what's called of us as, as human
beings on planet Earth now is to live in

the world and create in the world from a,
from not from a place of separation and

lack and scarcity, but from a place of,
of wholeness and co-creation and love.

That, that's what it is.

Not, not like a deviated separated version
of, "Oh, I'm gonna create from love and

abundance," and like not, not from the
mind pretending it's doing something.

That's just to be clear.

It's from really just having
this deeply integrated-

Audree: Harmonious

… Michael: sense of wholeness
and completeness within our own

being and such a deep sense of
peace that it's never disturbed.

And when we flow from that place,
it's something completely different.

And just to clarify, it's
not fully stable as my being.

I'm experiencing right now and
just, you know, like an hour ago

was experiencing these, these, you
know, these very, you know, typical

states of the egoic consciousness.

And then, you know, that's what I--
where we started, having my awareness

of, well, what is really happening here?

And allowing everything to just
be as it is and unfold as it is.

And there's a, there's a, there's a
grace to our being that we move with

And that's what this is about.

And it's really something beyond kind of
separated understanding of what does it

feel like to have wholeness in our being
and move from that place in creation

Audree: I can say that it
becomes very still and very quiet

It's not like the, the mind
doesn't stop functioning

It's just that all the nonsense
and the chatter goes away

The distraction

What?

Michael: Well, yeah, so that, that's
the, y- you, you said it exactly.

That was the, the insight that I had

is that

what I'm experiencing now

It's not that the, it's
not that the mind goes away

It's that the mind stops
operating from low frequency

The monkey mind is the mind operating
from low frequency, the fear, the

unworthiness, the doubt, the shame.

Whereas what happens is when
there's a sense of wholeness

And a sense of, like,
peace and connectedness.

When the mind's operating from that
freq- that frequency, that energy,

it's a completely different thing.

Mm-hmm.

Audree: So I wanna say something,
'cause how did we get here?

Michael: Step by step.

Audree: Right.

But that, that step by step is, is
knowledge about how we function,

the mechanics of creation.

The step by step is the knowledge of
our energy and our energetic anatomy

and our energy field, and breathing
through it on a daily basis to clean it,

to keep it at a high vibrational state.

We've identified w- when we have
charges, emotional charges in, in,

in how to breathe through them and
release them and deepen our awareness.

But we've also done energetic structural
work, and I think that those are the

components that we, we don't talk about.

We're not gonna talk about it here
because it's very complex And even in our

processes, we have to move through all
those moments, and we can move through

them, you know, a, a thousand at a time.

But we, we purposefully go in and
we cancel and annul the pledges of

allegiance that we have to creating or
having these experiences to begin with.

Hmm.

And so we've, you know, Michael and
I, 'cause we developed the processes,

the, the activations to do that kind
of work, and we do them all the time.

We didn't just develop
them for our students.

We use them at night.

We use them during the day.

We … Sometimes I go to our website and
I listen to the, the free experience.

I just lay on the couch and put
it on, 'cause it's 10 minutes.

I could … You know, the, the
activations, the transformational

audios are, are longer.

You know, sometimes I don't
have … So I just pop that on.

We have environmental purification
process running in our house

all the time, everywhere we go.

We're constantly activating the
body of knowledge that we've

created just for ourselves.

Like, we created some transformational
audios that we don't release,

'cause they're just for us, and
we listen to them all the time.

So these aren't happenings.

Like, our evolution is not
a spontaneous happening.

It is a day by day, moment to
moment choice to be in the work.

Hmm.

And I, I will tell you folks, if
you haven't listened to the audio

where I blew up, I have those
little temper tantrums quite often.

I don't know if I'm gonna have
them anymore, because my state has

changed so dramatically since Monday.

And I will tell you, that was a
process that we were taken through

by the she who are beings- Our

Michael: teachers

… Audree: beings of higher consciousness
that I've been in contact with for a

very long time, and that I channel.

So it's … We, we always call
it kind of the weird stuff that

works, even on our website.

I love that little image, I
put it back, of, of the rabbit

giving Alice the, the red pill.

You know?

Um-

And I know there's been so many moments
where we're like, "Okay, this is it."

Like I could say on, on
Monday, "Okay, this is it."

Like, wow.

And I, and I feel very, very different.

I'm experiencing my own being
very, very differently and the

world around me very differently.

Um, and just to, a- as a reveal for,
for people that know me and people

that don't know me, is that my
experience of, of reality, I always

feel like I'm tripping on acid.

Like I'm … Like when we had our,
my brain tested in California,

like my brain functions in
delta wave in its normal state

Like, which is unusual.

What do most people- Yeah,

Michael: so, um, I'll explain it.

So-

Audree: I can't explain it

… Michael: um, I'll, I'm not gonna
use technical terms, but basically

Audrey, when you look at her, her,
her functioning, uh, it's operating

in frequencies like s- like as if
someone was in a deep meditative state.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: That'd be the
simplest way to explain it.

Audree: And that was, like,
a year and a half ago.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Audree: I r- I know sometimes when
people hang out with me for a long

period of time, I, in particular-

One of our, our friends, we were driving
from, I think we were driving from

Phoenix to Sedona or something like that.

I don't, I don't remember.

And she just looked at me and she goes,
"How do you drive your car in this state?"

And I've actually been highly
trained to function in this high

vibrational frequency state,
'cause it's like, it ranges-

Michael: You've been trained
to drive blindfolded.

I know,

Audree: right?

Michael: Fun story.

Audree: Yeah.

That … I, I was.

Like, I was put into a car and
blindfolded and told to drive.

Michael: And you did.

Audree: And I did.

Um, 'cause you could feel
the sides of the road.

Of course, folks, don't do this at home.

We were in the desert outside of Las
Vegas where there's, there was no-

nobody on the road that we, you know?

Michael: And it was

Audree: flat.

And, and we were driving slow.

Like, we're, it was like a purposefully-

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: I don't even think
we were driving slow.

Maybe 35 miles an hour.

Yeah.

So anyways, digre- I'm, I'm,
like, going off on a tangent.

But-

Michael: It was all preparation.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Huh.

Audree: I've been weird my whole life.

Michael: Oh.

Well, that's what trust the
process is, is driving blindfolded

and just taking the next step.

Audree: Oh, fuck.

I hate it.

I hate it.

Like, I so want certainty.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And-

Michael: Still?

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Oh.

Audree: And in fact, uh, you know,
I think this is what I was getting

at this morning, my, my thoughts.

Mm-hmm.

What I was kind of feeling into was I was
remembering when we let go of everything,

we made a conscious decision to say we're
not gonna pray outside of ourselves.

Remember we burned all of our Shrimaurtis?

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: So we've been in … Michael
and I have been in oneness for a very

long time and, and you, you, you know,
Amma Bhagwan are there, your teachers

are there, but if you need anything-
Mm … if you're in an emergency, let's

say in the Ukraine, you could pray to Amma
Bhagwan and you'll, you'll get a miracle.

It's pretty extraordinary because
it works every single time.

Maybe not in the way you
think it does, and it works.

Like, the connection is ver-
was very, very powerful.

And

I've always had this thing where I've
always saw how gurus get their power, how

gods get their power, and they always got
their power because people worship them.

And when you worship something outside
of yourself, what you're doing is

you're giving a piece of your energy
to them, and they become more powerful

and more powerful and more powerful

And even I, even knowing
it, I still did it.

There was still some sort
of fear inside of me.

Michael: You didn't have a better option.

Audree: I didn't h- well, I didn't
have a better option until, until my

son became paralyzed in that moment.

I always go back to that, that moment.

Okay, just so you know, that moment
was prophesized to me when I was four

years old, prophesized to me in India.

Michael: Yeah, we've gone
into that previously.

Audree: You don't need
to go … Yeah I know.

I'm just saying that, I'm just
a reminder that although I never

connected the dots, even when it was
happening, I never connected the dots.

But that moment when I said I'm
not gonna pray to anything outside

of me, I'm not gonna pray to
Amma Bhaguan and ask for help.

I'm not gonna pray to God, the God
of my religion, the God of humanity.

I'm not gonna pray to that God either.

I'm gonna go inside and say, "Stop it.

Stop creating this.

I know you're creating reality."

And that's when everything
shifted and changed.

But it … And then two or
three years later, two years

later, we make a huge decision

To burn all of our Shri Murtis.

And even, I have to sneeze again Mm-hmm

Um, th- the outside is
very heavy with pollen.

Um, maybe we should…

Like, my whole entire
sinus is just stuffed.

Um

It w- when we definitively said we
are no longer, we're gonna let go

And for me, that's been so hard.

Like, I had a mystical experience of
being called to, to oneness, to India.

When you have that kind of mystical
experience, there's no doubt in my mind,

like, the reality of the situation.

But it was … The teacher was
there for the time that I needed.

Even Bhagwan said, "I'm gonna,
I'm gonna give you everything I've

got so you can go off and, and
be your own spiritual teacher."

He doesn't do that anymore, by the
way, 'cause everything has changed.

So, and, and I never understood that.

Like, I always had the safety net.

I always had praying to
the God of my religion.

I've always had this connection.

I've always had the mystical experiences.

I've always had that, this … And it
doesn't, I know now, it doesn't mean that

m- the creator of all there is, whatever
you wanna call it, God or Yahweh or Allah

or whatever, s- the source consciousness,
everything is created from one, one thing

That never goes away

Yet any other type of outside praying,
you're giving your power away.

It's only when you go internally and
you really take that risk, that final

leap of faith to say, "What if it were
true that there's an aspect of my being,

there's something within me that I am
the one that is creating the reality?"

Like source consciousness
is just a witness to it.

And there's so many teachers that
say, "God's not what you think it is."

You know?

And, and, and while we are
not teaching about God, we're

not a spiritual organization

were teaching the mechanics of
creation and the truth of how

things work and how we function.

And of course, you can't get, you
can't get away from the, the, the, the

divinity talk or the supreme omnipotent
consciousness that created everything.

You can't get away from that.

You actually become closer to it because
you realize that you are that, you

know, or an aspect of it that's, you
know, incarnated on the material plane

And then you look inside

And you find if it's true that I'm
the one that's creating my reality,

my thoughts, my perceptions, my
beliefs, like what is that thing?

And when you go deeper in awareness and
you actually connect with that and you

see the separated state that it's in

And then you go into, you can not
judge it and you have compassion

and a deep sense of understanding,
it's very easy to have forgiveness

in that state, or it's very
easy to just say, "Oh, wow

There's an aspect of my consciousness
that is separated and it's

punishing itself for the separation.

Yet if we weren't supposed
to be separated, we would not

be, we wouldn't be separated.

So in that understanding, you
really can come to these very vast

senses or awareness and insights

And through that, then you could
start to dismantle all the structures

that you put in place for separation

And when we say do the work,
that's what we're talking about

And you can't get around it anymore.

While you can have these incredibly
mystical experiences, you're

in a high vibrational state.

Your structures are reorganizing
themselves to hold high

vibrational frequency moment to
moment so it becomes permanent.

And in doing so, your physical form
starts to hold h- and, and starts to

access and hold and just be in these
high vibrational frequencies, which

is what the purification is all about

And then everything
starts to come together

and you start to live in
that state of consciousness

Michael: I remember, uh, at many points
in time I've had this awareness of

well, yeah, you know, I've done all this
work and my mind is still a shit show,

and like I still have these negative
thoughts, and I still have this looping

stuff come up, and I still have this,
you know, these feelings of unworthiness

and blah, yada, yada, yada, yada, and
how is this all ever gonna change?

And, uh, and now I know.

Now I know.

It's actually, it's actually, like n-
now standing where I am looking back

at the, the whole journey is that
word journey, that it's a journey.

It's that when we make the consistent
choice, you, you started I think a few

turns back talking about the journey
and, and what it takes, and it's like

when we put in that consistent choice,
um, not, you know, every moment of

your day, but like, you know, that,
that regular repeated effort, choice,

awareness to use the tools to, to, to
invest in the journey to, to go further

than we've gone before, then there's
a, there's an inevitability to it.

Um-

Audree: Right.

And the practices are there
for when the shit hits the fan,

how are you gonna react to it?

And technically, the first reaction
is always the negative one.

Y- It's really hard not to do that, and
you can recover, and you recover quicker

and quicker and quicker and quicker.

And so one day you're walking through your
life and you're like, "Oh, that would've

bothered me before, and it doesn't."

And you just have this like, "Oh, that…

Wow, that's interesting."

Michael: Right.

You know?

Audree: And

Michael: so, so it's kinda like
the, you know, the saying, you know,

rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.

You know?

And that's, that's what the, the…

I mean, it doesn't…

There, there's nothing
really sophisticated and

complex to the whole journey.

It's, it's really just making the choice
to keep on going on the journey, and

when you keep on making the choice to go
on the journey, everything will happen.

Everything will happen, and that's
just the inevitability of it because

it is this ratchet-by-ratchet evolution
of awareness, and then evolution of

the, the frequency you're operating
at, and it's a gradual process.

It's a…

And the, the structure of it
needs to be that way because if

it went faster, it would rip apart
the very fabric of your being.

So there's a…

If you think about it,
think about it like this.

If your consciousness has been stuck…

Not if.

Like what, what if it were true?

Your conscious has been stuck
in this loop for millennia.

Like literally thousands and thousands
of years, possibly multiple universes.

Like, how, like, like-

Audree: Parallel realities

… Michael: parallel realities, like,
you know, hundreds of thousands

of life experiences or lifetimes
or like, like, think about it.

Audree: Barbara Brennan
says 440,000 lifetimes.

That's what she, she
gave it a number- Yeah,

Michael: right

Audree: actually.

We don't know.

Michael: Yeah.

It, it doesn't matter.

It, it's a big- A

Audree: lot

… Michael: it's a big number.

It's

Audree: a big number.

Michael: Like, think about it.

You, you're so used to it, like, it's
gonna take a little bit of time, folks.

It's gonna take a little bit
of time, 'cause what you're

doing is you're unwinding-

Audree: It's gonna take a lot of time

it's- What's that song?

Michael: It's gonna take a little
time, and, you know- To do, to do

it … and I think the other thing to,
to, you know, when Audrey was speaking

earlier of like, okay, well, you
know, this is our life, this is our…

Well, you know, we're going first, right?

So everything that we're doing is at least
10 to 100 times harder than what our first

line of students have had to go through.

And so when I think about when this
work actually goes fully mainstream of

reaching like, you know, millions of
people, it's gonna get easier and easier.

Easier and easier, and that's
already what we're seeing, right?

Even-

Audree: It's also, like, the more people
that, you know, do the work together,

like, so we, uh, uh, like I get so
excited when we, when we have the, all

the people meditating together and doing
evolutionary energetics, the- Mm-hmm

chakra meditation together
because it is more powerful.

While the meditation is helpful for
purification to do on your own, 'cause

you could slow down and stop, I get it

Doing it together, traveling in
a group becomes more powerful

Michael: Right, 'cause we are
o- one collective consciousness

Audree: Mm-hmm

Michael: Right.

And so, yeah, so I think-

Audree: Like, I mean-

Michael: It, it may, it may-

our big

Audree: au- our big audacious goal is
that all of humanity is using this work

Michael: Well, there's a
bit of fine print there.

Audree: What's the fine print?

Michael: Well, the fine print
is all of humanity that wants to

use this work is using this work

And all that wanna stay in the
deviation, stay in the deviation.

Do not use

Audree: this word Why don't
we say that this work is-

Michael: Well, that's the fine
print, 'cause at some point

there's, there's gonna be a-

Audree: Can you just say the sentence?

You can't even say it can you?

Michael: Say it so what?

Audree: That this body of work

Is

Michael: The foundation from
which humanity functions.

The

Audree: foundation

Michael: That

Audree: wasn't the glitch
from which humanity functions.

Michael: That wasn't the glitch.

The glitch was that, you know, do I
really wanna talk about, you know, a, a

mass extinction event for those who are
choosing to stay in the deviation or not?

Because-

Audree: Why, why, why
would you even say that?

Michael: Well, because-

Audree: Why would you even-
Because- That is my pet peeve.

Michael: Oh, okay, good.

I've triggered you finally.

Good.

So

Audree: No, I, I'm li- I'm serious.

It is … So to e- it doesn't
matter what's true and not true.

You cannot say it publicly out loud
to people because it's a, you create a

fear-based reality, and then you, you
activate that reality in the consciousness

of humanity, and shame on you.

I will say it to Bhagwan, shame on him.

I will say it to anybody, anybody
in a position of power and teaching

that will say that out loud

Michael: Well, it's the structure of it.

Like, we can't talk about this…

So, so like when there
are three things there,

Audree: we- Yes, you can because it, it,
it stops giving the option to anybody.

Everybody right now has the
option to uplift themselves and

go on this evolutionary journey.

Everyone.

But you cannot scare them into that-

Michael: Well, that's not even-

Audree: reality

… Michael: that's not
even mechanically true.

I mean, the, the, the, the Shiva
already told us that there are

people who- It, it, I, I- … who've
already decided Stop … so I don't-

Audree: Stop.

Stop

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: Please

Michael: I think what I'm seeing is, is
structurally and you're sa- feeling into,

you know, what are the, what are the,
what are the the implications for people.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: I, I get it.

Audree: It's not our decision
to give that information

And while we have a deep, deep passion
for everyone to go on this journey, we

also understand that everybody's not
gonna go on the journey, and it's sad

And there's more to it that you do
not have that information, Michael.

There's way more to it

And I'll tell you after this episode why

Michael: Mm.

Audree: But please

Michael: You know, there,
there's a part of me

You know, when I go into the deep,
deep mechanics of the wounding

And there's this part of
me that's just had enough

Audree: I, I understand

Michael: And, uh, and like f- for,
and, and, and for me, this experience

of the part of me that just had
enough, it's like, okay, well, you

know, look, we c- we can go back.

We can just go back to source.

It's all good, and just
let go of all of it.

And or-

Audree: Humanity is not ready for that

Michael: or, or, or we can let go
of these patterns and, and really, I

think it's a, at some level of like,
you know, just having this awareness,

the recognition that there's not even
forgiveness of ourselves, but just a

recognition that everything, everything
was created for purpose with love

Audree: Even the deviation Incl-

Michael: the…

Exactly.

This is what I'm referring to.

That, that, that was created
with love, with purpose.

And so it's from this place
of perspective of, okay, well,

what do I wanna create now?

Audree: I know, but no-
nobody has your perspective.

That, that's true That's
what I'm trying to…

So it's kind of like disclosure.

Well, I, I- Is all of
humanity ready for disclosure?

No.

Michael: Okay.

Well, so this is where I feel like
it, it's- No … so this is where, and

maybe there, there's still something
to work through here, that, you know,

it's, it's hard to say, well, everyone
has a choice, and some people will, and

some people won't, and then say, well,
and this is the foundation for which

humanity functions, because that, that,
th- those two things don't go together.

Audree: I know, but so I'm
just letting you know, you

don't have all the information.

Michael: I do not have all
the information at all.

I

Audree: can't talk about it right
now because we're, we're micd up,

and we're talking to the public.

Yeah So I can't share
the information with you-

Michael: Mm

… Audree: where it'll all make sense.

So I just ask you to please
never, never speak to- Yeah

to that.

Just all of humanity needs to
know everybody has a choice

And you could tell- Right … that some
of the choices have already been made.

Some people are gonna refuse to evolve.

They're gonna keep their
perspectives and their separated

aspects of being, and that's okay.

S- That's all we have to say.

So,

Michael: you know, you
know what I just got?

Audree: Mm.

Michael: It's not about this
work becoming the foundation

from which humanity functions

That's not, not actually what it is.

It's true, but that's
not what it is Mm-hmm.

What it is

Is that humanity functions as
it's designed to function, which

is what this work is describing.

Do, do, do you understand?

Like there's- Yes

there's a difference there.

It's not like- Mm-hmm … oh,
there's this work, and everybody

needs to do this thing.

It's like- Mm-mm … no, no, no, no, no.

There are these mechanics of
creation that govern how things work

And that it's people
coming into alignment.

And this work is not for people to follow.

This work is, uh, for, there to help
people come into their own truth and their

own understanding of the mechanics of
how they work as an aspect of creation.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Michael: So it's almost like
this work is more an expression

of how humanity functions-

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Mm

… Michael: rather than the work
from which humanity functions.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: It's a description,
it's not a prescription

Audree: Well, it's kind of both

'Cause we do explain the how-to and
what to do and when to do it and the

playbook and all of these things.

Yeah.

It's just never, it's, it's n- never
been put out like this before to humanity

in the way that it's been put out.

It's like somebody decided,
"Hey, humanity's not getting it.

Let's, let's simplify it and give
them the step-by-step process,

give them the knowledge, give them
the tools and techniques, and give

them the application methods."

Like, we have a playbook what to do.

Like, it's v- like, what to do in
every single moment of your life.

What to do, how to do
it, why you're doing it

It's, it's pretty extraordinary

Michael: It is, it's extraordinary

… Audree: as a, as a user.

It's very user-friendly.

And we try to make it as simple as
possible, as accessible as possible.

Michael: Yeah.

Like how- You know- How do you simplify
the mechanics of creation that are

incredibly vast and infinite and complex?

Audree: Yeah.

Like And, and maybe, maybe
the big reveal right now- Oh

Michael: my God

… Audree: which is really fascinating
and frustrating all at the same time,

although I'm not frustrated anymore, I'm
just like, "Okay," is that, you know,

when we talk about our students, we've
trained thousands and thousands of people

in our, uh, the leadership training.

Michael: Right, disguised in
the leadership training, yes

… Audree: disguised in
the leadership training

We actually have a student of ours
teaching the leadership training.

It's leadership and organizational
transformation training

The, you know, in an organization,
through a whole entire

organization, which is unbelievable.

Like, this organization has the
potential to be a real, a conscious

organization, which is crazy 'cause
that's not what we talk about,

but it's like the outcome of it.

You know, not the B Corp, not
the bullshit, you know, conscious

leadership training, whatever.

It's like really an evolved organization.

What I was getting at is, is that
of all the students we ha- uh, the

attrition rate for this work is very,
very high, where even right now we only

have, like, how many active students?

Nine?

10?

You know, and they're, you
know, three just dropped off.

You know, they're still kinda
doing the work themselves, but

they're not, you know, actively
meditating with us or whatever.

So folks, if you're listening to
this, there's not a lot of people

doing this work, and it's n-

Michael: Yet.

Audree: Yet.

And it, you know, it's
like we're, we're just

And we're not marketing our work.

We're not selling it.

We're not adver- Well, we're selling
it, but we're not advertising it.

We're

like … 'Cause we're not
businesspeople, you know?

So it's, it's this big, audacious
goal that, that can get … Like,

we see how humanity is functioning
now, and we have the answer

And we just don't know how to bring it
to people and how to, you know, when

it gets difficult, people just drop off

Or, you know, it's like you're
the problem, you're the solution.

You need to take responsibility
for your creation, your reality.

It gets tough.

There's so many times where I wanted to…

You know, Michael's like,
"Time, Audrey, stop talking."

You know?

I'm

Michael: not saying stop talking.

I'm just saying be, be time aware.

It's different.

Audree: Who cares?

It's just, you know, not
everybody is gonna do this work.

Not everybody is gonna go all the
way through, and we know going

all the way through is painful.

And it seems- At this

Michael: time

… Audree: endless.

And

Michael: it- At this time

… Audree: I know, and then the more
people that are kinda doing this,

the, the, the easier it gets.

So it's this kind of like this, it's
a, like a catch-22 kind of thing.

It's,

Michael: it's not a catch-22,
'cause the only way to, to make

change is to make change, right?

Mm-hmm.

So it's really just a question of…

It's really just back to the, you know,
the, the adoption curve of, you know,

the innovators, the pioneers, then
the early majority, and then the late

majority, and then the laggards, and-

Audree: Right

Michael: you know?

Audree: So we're the pioneers.

Yeah.

We're the visionaries.

We're the, the first ones going all
the way through, and it's not easy.

Michael: Well, it hasn't been easy.

No.

And what we're seeing is it
b- it gets easier and easier.

Audree: Well, if you weren't here.

Yeah.

Like, if I didn't live
with you, I woulda quit.

Michael: You'd be done.

Audree: I'd be way done.

Yeah.

Michael: Yeah, if you weren't
here, I'd be done, so.

Audree: No, I don't believe that.

Michael: No, no, no, I, I, you know, we,
th- there's a- We just hold each other

… there's something that activates.

There's something that
activates with the two of us.

You know, just 'cause, just 'cause
I carry the, the banner of hope.

It's not really hope.

It's built into my design.

Audree: You just have- But I
just- … really good discipline.

Michael: Well, no, it's I know
everything's gonna work out.

Yeah, I- And that, that knowing,
that built into my design,

is, lets us get through all of
this, and then that carries you.

Well- But y- you're the spontaneous
spark that's needed to, you know,

'cause you, you, you know, jump ahead,
like, five, 10 steps and then I'm

going like, "Okay, well, here we go."

Audree: Well, I live in this mystical
world Exactly So I have, I hold all

this information and knowledge Mm-hmm
So I also, what happens is I lose

hope with humanity, and I lose hope
that, you know, that continuing…

Like, I don't, when I don't see the,
the external world manifesting in the

way that I think it should, I get upset.

And then that upsetness g- makes
me go deeper, deeper, deeper into,

okay, where am I creating this?

Where, where do I need to do more work?

Sometimes it takes a couple days.

But I see why some of
our students just let go.

They're like, "Okay,
enough already," you know?

But I'm, I, I alway- it, it's like
I know from my own experience you

haven't gone all the way through.

Michael: Yeah.

You know, so I have a different
understanding, which is there's

a perfection to everything.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And everything is
actually exactly as it should be.

Audree: Well, that's where, you
know, you saying not everybody

is gonna go all the way through.

Mm-hmm.

Not everybody, you know, you know, the
event that you were talking about, you

know, it's true, not everybody is gonna go
all the way through, and it's all perfect.

We're all…

The destination, there's only one
destination, and, and that is eventually

we all just go back to source.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Just like in the movie Soul.

Audree: Yeah.

It's just do you wanna do it while
you're incarnated in physical

form so you could experience
creating as source consciousness?

Or do you wanna do it another way?

One destination, many options

Michael: Mm.

Audree: All roads lead to Rome

Hmm.

I think what happens is that the
higher in frequency you go and

the more permanent your state is

The more compassion you have.

It doesn't mean that you'll
have more patience, not yet,

but compassion for sure.

This is like being in the
deviation is fucked up.

Michael: It's really fucked

Audree: up.

So many of us, and we're tired-

Michael: All of us

Audree: exhausted

We get it.

So let's just end here

Michael: Okay, we'll take three
minutes for the E2 mantra transmission.

Just tune into the frequency, folks

So I laugh because I became aware
that our work is a description of

how humanity functions right now.

There's nothing to wait for

It's a description of how all humanity
functions, the choices we have

Audree: All the possibilities.

Mm-hmm.

The potential.

Michael: Yeah.

So thank you for joining us

Audree: Let's be evolutionary