B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Michael: Now it's on.

All right, so welcome to our living room

Have we done one still when
we were back in, in Dartmouth?

I don't know.

Anyway.

Audree: I think we have.

Michael: I think we have.

Audree: We have peonies now-

Michael: Yeah

… Audree: from our garden.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: It smells so good.

Michael: Right.

So, so what I wanted to share,
there's this, this whole constellation

of kind of insights kind of all
interlocking and weaving together

And I, I don't, I don't know where it
started or how it started to crystallize,

so I'm not gonna try to kind of put this
in order, but I'll just put them together.

So they're, they're, they're
actually really kind of profound

on their own, but together they're,
they're this whole integrated thing.

But the, the fir- one of them was, uh,
we've had a friend visiting and, um, this

person was, you know, you know, you know,
there was some sort of comment I made.

I was referencing, uh, the book Illusions
and how we create our own limitations.

And, and this person had an
extraordinary memory, and they were

able to go, "Yeah, well, it's this
and that, and it's this and that."

And, uh, and I thought, "Wow," you
know, like, there's so much knowledge,

like kind of book knowledge in this
person, and yet they're a complete mess

And they're not on the path particularly.

Like they're, you know, kind of, you know-

Audree: Okay.

Hold, hold on a second.

So

You're correct.

There's a lot of book knowledge about
how we create our, our own reality.

Y-

Michael: y- so, so just
can I, can we finish?

Hold on.

There's this whole arc I
was going on with here.

Audree: I know.

I just wanna just … But, but their life
is a mess and they're not on the path.

They are on the path.

And, and this is most people.

They're not fully … They can't
fully comprehend or embrace,

"I'm creating my own reality."

There's a difference.

Michael: So-

Audree: So go ahead.

No, you can go ahead.

Y-

Michael: yeah, so let me just finish,
and then you can- Okay … disagree

at the end or add whatever
understandings you have at the end.

So that might be better because
sometimes you think I'm saying one

thing, but I'm actually saying the same
thing that you think is true, and you

just- Okay … need to wait for it.

And so

Like I'm not…

Like, there's no fault of this individual.

What I, what I'm trying to get at
is what the meta problem is, right?

And, and this is kind of where
I think you kind of chimed in

too, a little bit too early.

But what, what I'm seeing here is that
there's a wealth of spiritual wisdom.

I mean, you know, I've got it
here in my teacup, my teabag.

It says, uh, your, your
potential self is infinite.

I mean, like, okay, well, you know,
yes, of course your self is infinite.

I mean, I mean, I mean, it's true.

And so what I realized is that
spiritual knowledge is a maze and a

death trap, just like human design,
except it's not just like human design.

The interesting thing is that
human design knowledge is 99.9%

accurate, and it is always relevant,
and it's just about a matter of what

sequence do you look at it in, in a
way that'll be most beneficial to you.

But it's all there.

If you get it from the source, Ra Uru
Hu, it is correct, or largely correct.

There are some interpretations
he has that are distortions.

But the actual knowledge of
what human design is, what

the blueprint in is correct.

When you have your correct date of
birth, birth time, location, that is

the factual information of the mechanics
of the neutrino stream that forms the

imprint of your design, and it's correct.

Now, if we contrast that with spiritual
knowledge, spiritual knowledge is a even

vaster, bigger mess than human design.

Because human design is the
factual correctness of this is

the mechanic of what and who you
are, which is not gonna change.

Spiritual knowledge, however, is
aspects of truth, aspects of truth.

And what's really beautiful about them,
I'm gonna s- give the positive first,

then I'm gonna slam it to the ground.

What's really beautiful
about it, it-- I…

That's my cynic.

That's my role.

Audree: Like a home run.

Let's put it in a good way.

Michael: What's beautiful about
it is these elements of truth.

Oh, I create my own limitations.

Wow.

And we have some small realizations,
and it awakens something in us.

It w- Those r- those little nuggets of,
of wisdom can awaken something in us,

awaken a gnosis, awaken an understanding,
awaken us a, a connection with the truth,

and that's why we resonate with it.

That's why people are, are starving
and, like, you know, addicted to finding

spiritual knowledge because there's
something in it for them that way.

Now- So that's one aspect.

Now, the, the challenge is that all of
this, and I saw this on this website

this morning, they're saying, "Oh,
yeah, we're doing this, you know,

um, brain research," and this is
how all these threads tie together.

Mm-hmm.

They're doing some brain research, and we,
you know, leveraging ancient wisdom, and

I'm thinking like, "Wow, we here, Audrey
and I, are not about ancient wisdom.

We're about fundamentally new information
for this time that is correct for

the frequencies we're in, and ancient
wisdom was designed for ancient times.

It was designed for the
time of the deviation.

And what's worse is that all of that
ancient wisdom is getting filtered

through layers of distortion,
misrepresentation, and so on.

Now-

Audree: Half-truths

… Michael: half-truths, truth mixed
with half-truth, truth mixed with-

Assumptions ba- … distortions or

Audree: omissions … uh, assumptions
based on- Now- … on incorrect knowledge.

Michael: Now, so let's,
let's set all of that aside.

Audree: Hmm.

I'm perking up.

Michael: Yeah.

Let's even set all of this aside.

Let's assume you had some spiritual
knowledge from ancient wisdom that is

correct and unfiltered and non-distorted
and so on, and let's put aside that

it was designed for a different time.

Let's put aside all of that.

Even then, when you take those
components, you need to know the sequence

and how to apply it to your life.

So those, those are two different things.

So let's, let's talk
about the sequence first.

I was watching the movie Interstellar,

and there was this moment where
this rocket ship was taking off.

And, uh, there were lo- it was like
a traditional kind of rocket ship.

It had these booster stages, and the
booster stage would complete and would

fall away, and then the next booster stage
would launch, and then it would fall away.

And then, you know, the, the, the
spaceship would then move on, you

know, using its own power and so on.

And what, and that's what we're doing.

We're escaping the gravity
of the egoic conscious.

We're escaping the lock of the belief
systems that we've been born into.

We're escaping the lock of the slavery
to the egoic conscious that we're

born into, and it's like escaping
the well of gravity of the Earth.

And, you know, when, think
about this, when the rocket gets

into space, it's free, right?

It's no longer bound by gravity.

That's what we're doing.

And, and, and now let's come back to
those booster stages of the rocket.

Those booster stages of the rocket
had their purpose at a certain

phase and portion of the mission.

And when they were done, they were done.

They fell away, they were discarded.

And this is why spiritual
knowledge is so dangerous.

I will repeat, it is deadly dangerous
because it does not come with the

instructions of what phase of the
journey of this rocket ship to use it on.

And I'm gonna explain it like this.

Let's imagine you're, you're looking at
the booster stage and you're trying to

hang on to it when it's time to let it go.

You will not-- You will fall back
into the gravity of the Earth.

Let's imagine you're trying to use
the advanced propulsion system of

your spaceship and not the booster
stages at the start of the journey.

It's not going to work.

That's why I say advanced spiritual
teachings are deadly dangerous,

because it's trying to use the
wrong thing for the wrong moment

at the wrong stage of the journey.

That's why I'm understanding this now.

I didn't understand it,
it was getting built.

But I've always likened this journey
of evolution of consciousness, this

journey of freeing ourselves from the ego
consciousness, of, of claiming our life

as this journey from one to a hundred.

And what's correct and true and valuable
at s- level three is not what we're

gonna focus on at level ninety-seven.

It's something completely different.

And the un-- It's not that level three
stops being true, it's just we understand

there's a, that the universe is creative
paradox, and there's a greater truth

that encompasses that truth, and we see
things from a different perspective.

And so it's almost like as we're going
on the journey, we're, our perspectives

are shifting, and if we keep an older
perspective that was true at level

three, when we're now at level ten
or level twenty or thirty, that's

what's gonna limit us and prevent us.

And that's why I say spiritual
knowledge is a death trap.

It is a death trap because the
knowledge is not useful without…

And I think this is what's
true about evolutionary design.

It gives the application
context for human design.

And what I've realized just now, this
morning, today, about our work, is we're

giving the application context for a, a
very progressive understanding spiritual

knowledge for this specific energetic age
and post-deviation age that we are in now.

And that's not the final piece.

The final piece is what came up when we
were doing our, our, our level two class

closure, where I realized everything
we're doing about them is about this

one diagram: live no matter what.

It's about how to live our life in the
world, connected with the world, having

experiences coming in, experiences within
our own being, experiencing our own

being and, and thinking thoughts about
ourselves and interacting with the world.

Live no matter what.

And I realized that everything
is about accessing and harnessing

awareness of ourselves in the moment.

Because we're designed not to
turn into light and transcend.

We're designed to live as source
consciousness on planet Earth

and move out of the bounds of
the egoic consciousness- In

Audree: a physical body

Michael: in a physical body, yes.

Audree: Doing physical things.

Michael: Fun fact: going into
light body is a later stage.

You have to learn how to live as source
consciousness in your physical body before

the advanced stuff of learning how to live
as source consciousness without a physical

body and just being in light body.

Audree: Right, because that's
the whole point right now.

Michael: So let's come back and
tie all those threads together.

The, the, the, the, the, the meta of all
of those threads together is that, look-

All of spiritual knowledge, whether it's
the, the kind of new information that

we're sharing for this time of evolution
or older knowledge, the only purpose

of it is to help you be present in your
current situation and navigate your

life with grace and ease, and, and, and,
and, and live as you're meant to live in

your body, in your life, in the world.

And I think that's where, that's where
I realize that without that context,

without that frame, without that
understanding, the people are, are getting

so caught up in spiritual knowledge.

And I think even the term
spiritual knowledge is the problem.

Mm-hmm.

'Cause you don't need spiritual knowledge,
folks, you need spiritual application.

You need the application of the mechanics
of creation to m- change your reality,

to make your life better, to get out
of the pain and suffering, to, to, to-

Audree: Transcend the state
of the ego consciousness into,

into peace and stillness.

Michael: So anyway, that's it.

In

Audree: flow with the, with the,
with the universal life force.

Michael: So that was my…

Uh, I had a few different insights
that kind of all came, came together

Audree: That's beautiful

Michael: It, it's funny.

It's like, you know, this whole
thing of, you know, we never really

understand what we're doing until later.

Audree: Well, if we really understood
it, would we actually get it?

You have to live it.

That's the whole thing.

It's like you can capture
knowledge very easily.

That book Illusions, I love that book.

In fact, that's who turned
me on to the book again.

Like, I read it a long time ago.

Um, and it's a powerful, powerful story

And at the same time, it's a d- and it,
it's actually an ad- an advanced teaching.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And it's hard-

Michael: Hey, wait.

I'm just gonna pause something.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Okay.

Microphone malfunction sorted out.

Audree: So to me, it looks
like there's still … It's not

working from here, so I can't- It

Michael: is working.

Audree: Okay.

Michael: I think it's really tough,
you know, even with our, our, some

of our advanced students, that
this concept of, of relative truth

is, is very tricky to,
to wrap our heads around.

Audree: Well, for me, what I
was thinking about is let's

do some reverse engineering.

So I've been on this spiritual
path for a very, very long time.

Like I, I was meditating since I was a
little kid, not knowing what I was doing.

I was having, uh, guidance of being
one with the universe, um, you

know, talking to trees, like, and,
and having this expanded state of

awareness and consciousness and,
and not having formal training.

And even though I went on this journey
to become a healer and not fully

grasping that even Barbara Brennan was
speaking of consciousness and shifting

consciousness, I kind of was not, you
know, I was like skipping over it.

And

And I was just kind of going
in stages, like you said,

like we are the rocket ship.

Our, our evolutionary journey is
the rocket ship, and we have these

little boosters when we're ready,
when we're ready to be that open.

And I wasn't fully engaged in my
journey of consciousness or, you know,

it w- it just came in little spurts.

Like I remember one time washing dishes
at the sink and realizing I had this

negative dialogue going on in my head,
and it was just this awareness of it.

The minute I saw it, it stopped

And that's a huge teaching, yet it
wasn't, it wa- it didn't, it didn't

form a foundation of my journey.

It was just this awareness and
not knowing how to implement it.

Yeah.

And then when I went to India, that's
where we were get, you know, the,

the, the real profound teaching,
'cause my life was no longer working.

I was like, "Okay, I'm getting divorced
now even though I'm a healer, even

though I'm doing all this energy
work, even though I had all this

education and all these mystical
experiences," life still wasn't working.

So it wasn't until then that I, I … And
then, then the teaching found me, and

at the same time I was still searching
even though I was having these amazing

awarenesses and mystical experiences,
and my life was shifting and changing.

And it wasn't until, you know, when
I went to the retreat and I randomly

saw … We were listening to a Maharishi
audio or w- a video we were watching

where he was explaining the mechanics
of the m- a mantra and what sound was,

and I instantaneously had this awareness

I don't even remember
what the awareness was.

But it was such a profound
lightning bolt of experience that

in that moment my search was over.

And it wasn't like anything, you
know, I didn't pop into enlightenment.

I didn't pop into a state of oneness.

I just had this understanding.

And so when you explained the booster
of the rocket ship, it, it sometimes

You know, you don't even
know when that's gonna happen

Michael: Oh, that's the
beauty of the whole thing

Audree: Right?

And- You don't

Michael: know

… Audree: at the same time, it's like we're
searching for something that we don't know

what we're searching for, and the thing,
the very thing that we're searching for is

the truth of what and who we are already.

And so, you know, it's kind of like this
thing that nobody can give it to you.

Even in that moment, I wasn't
getting instruction on application

And then my whole life changed because
that's exactly, you know, I came

home two days m- or three days later,
you know, my son became paralyzed.

And that's when it's, uh,
that's when- Mm-hmm … our

work shifted in that moment.

I didn't even know that, but
that's when our- … work shifted.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And I didn't even know that,
you know- That's the connection

three months later we were gonna
get this, I was gonna have this

other extraordinary experience

And then three years later, two
years later, that experience

actually made sense to me.

Michael: Yeah, have the experience and
spend the next, uh, two years unpacking it

Audree: You know, so people hold these
truths, these, you know, spiritual

teachings, yet they don't, they
don't know what to do with them.

Well- Or they're not giving,
they're not giving the insight yet

… Michael: well, this is, this is like,
um, you know, I, I, I made up a metaphor.

I mean, it just came to me, so
I'll, I'll just share it now.

I like metaphors.

So it's imagine like, you know,
you've, you know, you're, you're

playing some sort of level-based
adventure game, and you're level five.

And you get, you get, you find in this
treasure chest the Sword of Destiny.

It's this all-powerful, mighty sword.

I'm, it's, you know, the sword
represents, you know, this

powerful spiritual teaching.

That-

Audree: I like the Pick of Destiny.

Michael: That, that is, uh,
yeah, the guitar Pick of Destiny.

Yeah, I'm gonna use the Sword of
Destiny to go with my- Got it.

Yeah … D- Dungeons & Dragons theme.

So you have the Sword of
Destiny, like it's there, right?

It's this, you know,
massive, powerful sword.

And you know what?

It has a minimum requirement.

You need to be level 10 to use it.

But you're level five, and
you're thinking, "Oh, but

this is the Sword of Destiny.

I have to use it.

I must use this in my life right now."

And you, you drag this thing around.

It's killing you just 'cause it
weighs so much, and you're not

equipped at your level to carry it.

And you try to use it in different
interactions and challenges

you have, and it just keeps on,
and you just keep on failing.

And the problem is that you're
using all this, people are using

all this spiritual knowledge.

And yes, you, listener, are probably
using spiritual knowledge right

now, and it is not helping you.

And not only are you … You, so this
in, this is where the self-deception of

the ego just like is running the show.

'Cause not only are you ready to
admit it's not helping you in your

life, you're not even to admit to
it how your life is going right

now and how it's not helping you.

So this is the, the trap.

This is the, this is like the, the death
grip spiritual knowledge has on people.

Audree: Do you know
what this reminds me of?

In Star Wars- I

Michael: see it like a headlock,
and it's just got, it's just kinda

got you- Yeah … and you're done,
but you don't even know you're done.

Audree: So in Star Wars, where Luke
is, you know, training with Yoda-

Michael: Mm-hmm

Audree: and he can't, he can't
lift the ship yet- Yeah … out

of the thing, 'cause that's like,
you know, his power is increasing.

But-

Michael: No, 'cause he
doesn't think he can.

He actually can, but he
doesn't think he can.

Audree: I kn- I know.

But it's like, it's just he's going
through all these exercises, um, to,

to, to learn h- to strengthen himself.

Mm-hmm

He's getting all these disturbances
and he's like, "I have to leave.

I have to leave."

And, and Yoda's like, "But you're
not finished with your training.

You know, what good are you gonna be if
you're not finished with your training?"

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And he's just like,
"Well, but I have to go.

I'm ready enough."

And he still has to come
back and finish his training.

Like, you know, Yoda's like, "Okay.

Okay.

You're gonna go."

You know, and Yoda's just
super patient because he knows

I feel like that, that that's kind of the

You know, and the trap is, is that
having spiritual knowledge won't

do it, won't make your life better.

Michael: It's actually the word knowledge.

The knowledge doesn't help you.

It's the application that helps you.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: There's the application of
knowledge at the right context, at

the right time, in the right moment.

And, you know, if, if you think
about anybody listening to the

how much knowledge you have, it's
about knowing what element or

elements to be using in your current
moment for your current situation.

And, you know, there's something you
were saying earlier when you were talking

about oneness, and it, it spark- again,
all these threads are like they're…

All these threads are
just coming together.

And I remember I was at, at oneness,
and then I'd gone and I'd lived

my life for a coup- two years, and
I'd created a disaster for myself

with a relationship, and, um, and
I didn't know how to manage it.

And then I went back, and then, and
I, and to, to oneness, and then I

got myself kind of sorted out again.

And I was thinking like, "You know what?"

I love this place.

It's the best place I've ever found
in my entire life, and yet they're not

giving me tools for what to do with

Audree: my life,

Michael: right?

And I'm coming from this, this
context of, of being an engineer.

Um, you know, being a, you know, you
know, c- programmer where it's all

about, you know, tools and using tools
and, you know, working in, in software

and, and work, you know, uh, agile and
how do we improve companies and, you

know, what are all the practices we use?

And I'm thinking about it like, you
know, crap, there are no practices here.

There are no tools.

There are no frameworks.

There is nothing.

And

I think- Fun- … that's where, that's
where this whole thing really was born out

of that desperate need for myself to like,
well, shit, I have all these elements of,

of knowledge and wisdom and perspective
and models and, but like I need

something that I can apply in my life.

Like, how do I apply this in my life?

And it was that desperate need for
my own, you know, peace of mind,

my own salvation, my own ability
to navigate my own miserable life-

Audree: Well, fun fact … that

Michael: triggered it.

Audree: They did ask us how, how are
we so successful with our teaching.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And can we have your deck?

Yeah.

And we gave it to them.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Like f- I mean, they,
I think they saw the gap, too.

Michael: Yeah.

They

Audree: did.

But that's kinda what they do, is
they take other people's work and

they mush it together into theirs.

Michael: Without having it be
their lived reality so then it

doesn't actually help anybody.

Audree: Well, you know,
the fun th- and I, I…

Not the fun thing, but the interesting
thing about Oneness is that they,

they could put people in really
high states of consciousness.

Michael: 100%.

Audree: Like they're the real deal.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: They no longer exist the way they
did- Yeah … with our teaching, though.

Michael: Anyway, so that was
my realization is, it's, is…

And I'm just seeing that a- again,
it's almost like I'm learning what

I learned from evolutionary design
that's an application toolkit.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: That our work is the
application toolkit for living life.

Audree: Yeah.

In a high state of consciousness.

Michael: In a high state of consciousness,
and how to move, move into that.

Audree: And how to purify to get there,
to make it a permanent, a permanent state.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Yeah, so- Well,

Audree: I

Michael: think- … application toolkit

… Audree: I think people have
this strange understanding

of, of what enlightenment is.

Yeah.

And you know, Bhagwan used to say this.

You know, when you're enlightened, once
you're enlightened, things become, life

becomes very ordinary, and it's very true.

But people have this
fantastical- … assumption that an

enlightened state is that you're,
you know, you're, you're like-

you know, in this kind of altered
state of consciousness and you're gone

And, you know, y- I don't, there's not
many people that I've known that burst

into a ball of light and they're gone.

And I think we're looking for escapism.

We're, you know, we're looking for
something to cure the pain, but

we're not willing to do the work.

We want the pill, and then we're
expecting that pill to take us

out of life, and that's not it.

Like, it's so clear.

The guidance for us has been that the
reason why we're here is to experience

physical reality and create in physical
reality in a higher state of consciousness

where there's no conflict, and it's,
everything's extraordinary and beautiful.

But we're living in a house.

We're, we're having work.

We're paying our bills.

We're, you know, we're still
in relationship doing life.

Michael: Creating in the world.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Yeah.

When life is beautiful and it's smooth
and it's easy, and you're unencumbered by

pain and suffering, you're not bothered
by other people's pain and suffering,

and, you know, the world around you
could be going to shit, and you're

still having a beautiful experience

You're not triggered

And for now, that's what we're getting to.

You know, we're rising to the, the,
the top of the fifth dimensional

frequency, getting ready for the sixth.

But we cannot be in the sixth
dimension until … 'Cause that's

instantaneous manifestation, and we
can't … We're, we're not there yet

because our thoughts aren't clear yet

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: I'm not talking
about us, I'm talking about-

Michael: Collectively

… Audree: humanity.

There is something also
interesting is that

The pull, the gravity, the gravity
to the lower vibrational frequencies,

that, that pull is very powerful.

And it's very, very easy to get caught up

in that poll

Michael: Well, there's also
chemical addiction in our bodies-

Audree: Mm-hmm

… Michael: to the low frequencies
and the low-frequency patterns.

Well, it's- There's also the conditioning
of society, and everybody around us

has these low-frequency belief systems.

So, you know, if we don't hold them,
then it starts to create ripples, and

then, you know, then the, you know, it
activates all sorts of other survival

patterns and betrayal of self for
connection, and all sorts of other things.

And, and so, you know, the, uh, you know,
when w- when I was doing organizational

change, I had this, this picture of this
person sitting on a recliner chair in

the sunshine, sipping a piña colada.

And, uh, I think, I don't know where I
got this quote from, but the quote was,

and this is talking about organizational
change, but it applies to everyone's

life listening right now, is, "The
status quo is a state of bliss."

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: The status quo
is a state of bliss.

Because the status quo, our life being
exactly the way it is, no matter how

miserable or painful or problematic
it is, there's a familiarity with it.

Audree: It's safe-
We- … 'cause it's known.

Michael: Yes.

It is safe because it's known,
and that's why there's a, there's

a, there's a deep allegiance to
things being exactly the same.

Even though we want it to change,
there's also, at the same time,

there's part of us want it to change.

That's the part of you trying to
move forward in your evolution.

There's another part of you that
wants it to be the same, and is

afraid of any and all change.

And that's the mechanism
that we're working with.

And when you start to see that, and
you start to work with the really,

you know, I think the, the Shiv called
it, certainly when talking about

my process, gas brake, gas brake.

You know, there's a part of you that
wants to go, that's putting on the gas,

but there's a massive brake in place,
or multiple brakes in place, like, um,

like brakes on a car, that kind of brake.

Like a, a brake holding you in place.

Um.

Audree: Hmm.

Michael: Yeah

Well, you know, one thing I
learned in organizational work

is you do situational analysis.

You look and say, "Well,
what is the situation?

And what are the things
we can do with it," right?

And when you do situational analysis, or
you, you can analyze scenarios, right?

So situational analysis, oh,
okay, this is the situation.

Uh, my subconscious, uh, ego
or conscious running the show.

It takes me towards the
negative consistently.

Um, it's gonna take effort to break
out of the gravitational orbit of it.

So what are the scenarios?

Well, scenarios are, uh, I can learn
new tools and try different things and

run experiments, and move the needle on
what's gonna work to move my life forward.

That's option one.

I can put in effort.

Option two is, I'm kinda fine right now
with whatever situation I have going on in

my life and whatever tools, and I'm just
gonna hope that somehow it all works out.

Um, and I don't wanna
run any new experiments.

I don't wanna try anything new.

And then the third opt scenario is,
well, I can just distract myself.

I'm not gonna really worry
about this whole thing.

And, and just, I'm just gonna go
enjoy my life, and I'm not gonna worry

about the fact that I have all this
pain and suffering and, you know, you

know, do, just do things in life to
kind of spark it up, the travel, the-

Audree: Medicate

… Michael: relationships, the, the drugs,
the alcohol, the whatever it is, the

travel, the whatever it is, um, the
work, and I'm just not gonna worry.

But tho- I mean, that's the…

I mean, look, this is the situation.

This is the scenarios, and we
just pick a scenario, right?

We just pick a scenario.

And we are picking a scenario, and
then, and then, you know, do we

wanna be even honest with ourselves
about what scenario we're picking?

And you know we're not, and
then it's like, "Ooh, well,

I don't wanna look at that."

You know, I think for me, like one
of the driving factors, we- we're,

Audrey and I were talking about a
new technology this week that would

make things even easier for people.

And, um,

It's like I know my own journey.

I know the, the structure of
the ego consciousness that

we're all working through.

And so really, I think there's this, this,
this, this activation in my being towards

how do we make this easier for people?

How do we make this so that instead
of having to run an ultramarathon,

it's running a half marathon?

Or what can we do to get it down from
a half marathon to just a 10K run?

Like, or a 5K run?

Like, what can we do so that, you know,
it, it, while effort is required, it's

not as much effort, or it's easier, or
it's, it's faster, or it's like, you know.

So that, that's kind of my, um

I, I'd actually call it,
like, a research project.

Like, the active research project of
how do we take everything we know t-

of the application knowledge to go from
level zero or level one to 100 and make

it shorter, skip levels, make ways that
it's possible to get people to higher

vibrational states, h- more capability
and development of awareness faster.

And, uh- You know- And at the same
time, I'm reminded just this last week

that if we look at what we're doing
here, which is how do … Like, I,

I … This is, this is the, uh, the she.

This is what came up in the,
like, I think about four days ago.

They're saying, "Look, you know, when,
you know, if you're thinking about this

work is, is what's needed to evolve all
of humanity, what is the limiting factor?"

Well, the limiting factor is
people's level of interest.

True.

Limiting factor is the leaders
within, you know, the Earth, you

know, the people who hold the power.

But then the limiting
factor beyond that is me.

Like, I'm the limiting factor 'cause
my ability, my state of consciousness,

my ability to function is the limit
of my ability to help those leaders,

help those people make the shift.

And then so while there is this work
on a, kind of a practical level of the

practical toolkit of, of simplifying
it and making it faster, more powerful,

easier, less effort, there's also this
deep, deep realization that at some

level, none of that really matters.

It's actually primarily about
my own state of evolution and

my own ability to function.

Audree: Do you know what
I'm getting right now?

Michael: Yes.

Audree: You do?

Michael: No, I don't.

I have no idea.

Audree: You know the drawing that,
that you made, like, 12 years ago?

Michael: Uh-huh.

Audree: With you-

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And, and the angels and
those creating the community-

Michael: Mm-hmm

… Audree: of people that are then-

Michael: Well, holding the
container is what it feels more like

… Audree: so hold, you're
not holding a container.

Michael: Uh-huh

Audree: This is what I just got

Michael: Yeah

Audree: Our work

Our work is profound

And we cannot give the easy, um, 'cause
when y- as you were speaking, I was

like, "Oh, one has

tried that.

Let's just take people, bring them India,
put them in high states of consciousness,

teach them about the nature of the
ego, and they'll get it, and they'll

go home, and they'll give deeksha to
people, and everything will be okay."

And it didn't work

What we're doing here is they're, those
who are, are, are being drawn to our work

are the ones that are willing to go
through step by step, inch by inch,

using the tools, using the techniques

We're training the ones who are gonna go
out into the world and do the easy stuff

Our work is not for those that want
the easy, the easy path, the shortcuts.

We're tr- this is what I, I just- Okay.

Michael: No, I, I

Audree: understand what

Michael: you're saying

… Audree: it's, like, so powerful.

I just got that that's what this work is.

This work is for those who want to go
through, step by step, through the whole

process, get the knowledge, get the tools
and techniques, and use them, go on this

evolutionary journey, move into the sixth
phase frequencies, or the highest of

the fifth phase frequencies, and then go
out and hold that frequency for the rest

of humanity that wants the fast pass.

We're not fast pass people.

Michael: Right.

So, so yes, and.

The word, when you're describing
that, what I, what we're…

Our work is only about self-mastery.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: Because it can't be about
anything else, because it's, we're the

one creating a reality, so unless we
understand the mechanics of creation,

unless we take responsibility to
see how we're creating our current

reality, we take responsibility for our
life in the moment, which is what we

talked about as this kind of- Mm-hmm

core essence.

That is what this work is.

What I was talking about is how do we
make that path easier, and we've done it.

Like, we've created new audios and-

Audree: We're, but see, we're
only making it easier as an entry

point, not as a one and done.

Michael: There's no, yeah, there's
no make it easy button, right?

No.

There's no, like, you know,
we'll solve it for you.

Yeah.

There's only, you know
what, we're gonna, we're…

This is, I think what I was describing
was we're gonna find ways to remove

or accelerate the journey for those
who wanna go on the journey, and

people still have to put in the work,
they still have to put in the effort.

It's not about getting rid of that.

I think what I'm saying is…

Anyway, I think we're on the same page.

Audree: It's just that I was just, when
you were talking, I just saw the poster-

Michael: Yeah

… Audree: that we have in our bedroom.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And it's still very, very
true, and we are the ones that are

holding, like, the main people,
and then those people will go

out to the rest of the humanity.

Like, we're not, you know, and even
the she said, it's like the people

coming to our work are only what?

2% of the population on the planet.

Something like that.

It's not a lot of people.

Michael: Well, they're, they're
different numbers for different things,

but yes, it's not a lot of people.

Well, relative.

I mean, it's all relative.

Audree: 'Cause there's very few that
are gonna be called to this work,

because this work is different.

This work is total self-responsibility
for shifting and changing reality,

and there's not a lot of people.

Like, look at the drop-off
rate that we have.

We've always had, even when we
were just doing the leadership

training, there were so many…

Either people got the leadership work,
and they're like, "Holy shit, I got it."

Mm-hmm.

And they use it, and
they're super successful.

And they're, and the rest of the
people, which is, uh, you know, like

n- 95% of the rest of the people
taking our courses were like, "Eh, uh."

Michael: No, no, no, it's not even that.

It's, there was a middle group
of, like, they use it, they're

more successful, but they say

Audree: w- Eh, I'm doing it

Michael: y- y- well, well- Or

Audree: they take the work.

Michael: Y- y- yeah, it's, it's
like there was this thing of, of, uh

It's almost like they were
scared to continue the journey.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Like, they were
getting the benefit-

Audree: They were scared to
get, continue the journey.

They were getting the benefit, and they're
like, "Oh, I can teach this this way."

Michael: Yeah.

" Audree: I'm gonna go teach, you know,
laser listening in, in my own, you

know, leadership development course."

Like, like, it was just weird.

It was just strange.

Yeah.

It was like a e- that's an ego hijacking.

Yeah.

Just FYI, that is your ego is
hijacking you, saying, "I'm good

now, and let's go teach this,"
'cause we're getting successful.

Michael: Yeah, that was a really
beautiful, um, thing that came up

from the, the level two closing,
where, where I don't think I've

ever said it that clearly before.

I'll just put it in here now.

It was really, really beautiful.

It was like, there's no
such thing as, "I'm fine."

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: There's no such
thing as, "I'm okay."

That what there is at every moment is,
do you have situational awareness of

what's happening with your emotions,
with your thoughts, with your

behaviors, with your energy field?

And is it, you know, what is it, where is
it from low frequency to high frequency?

You know, do you have situational
awareness of your own state of being right

now, like, right in this exact moment?

Or is it just like, "Well, I'm here,"
but like, what, what do you mean?

Am I aware of my state?

Like, and, and that's what it is, and
when we have that awareness of our

functioning as we go throughout life,
then we can navigate, then we can evolve.

But without that, you know, if we're
not aware of what's happening, you

know, the ego's running the show.

Yeah.

Audree: It's like the other day I
had this profound awareness that when

you go into I am source consciousness
and you can harness that vibrational

frequency, that state of being

And

The manifestation that happens from that
vibrational frequency is extraordinary,

yet the mechanics of how to do
that is very, very, very different.

And I popped into that
awareness and I was like, "Whoa.

Oh, that's how Joe
Goldsmith healed people.

That's how supply came to him

It was extraordinary.

I got so excited and happy.

Mm.

I was like, "Whoa."

Michael: Mm.

Audree: It's a whole different…

It's like, it's like agenda, the
teaching on agenda and the playbook,

plus, plus, plus, plus, plus, plus, plus

Michael: Hmm.

Okay.

We're, we're coming up on time.

Mm.

We're at 46 minutes.

Is there anything else you
wanted t- to talk about this or?

Audree: Just to wrap it
up, I'm, I'm with you.

I want it to be easy for people

Michael: Mm-hmm

Audree: I want somebody that I know
that's in pain and suffering to

hit, to hit the make it easy button

And even when you do hit
the make it easy button

It's a Band-Aid

It's not the suture.

It's not the, the, the
clearing of the infection

You know, it's like putting Polysporin
on your, and a Band-Aid on your wound,

and then you still need to know how
did it get there in the first place?

What was the mechanics of my body to heal?

Like, that's where you have
full mastery, when you know

Yet most people just want the,
the easy, "Give me a Band-Aid,

give me the Polysporin.

I don't wanna know how my body functions."

and we're being required to know

So we have mastery.

So we're our own healer.

We don't need to go to the doctor.

We don't need to go buy the
Polysporin or the Band-Aid

from the company that made it.

Like we're-- we know

we have the mastery, we have the ability
to navigate life and heal ourselves

And it's an extraordinary skill to have

And when you truly, truly, I, I'm
thinking about gratitude when you

truly have that skill the profound
gratitude for where it came from

Michael: You know what I just realized?

Audree: What?

Michael: There's a, there's another
structure containing all of this.

Audree: Oh.

Michael: And there's a paradox of you have
to complete the journey on your own 'cause

you're doing it yourself and taking help

And what I just got is those
are two separate constructs.

And that, yeah.

And that the, y- you gotta
do it yourself is, you know,

you have to run the marathon.

You have to develop mastery over
creation so you can create your reality.

And, you know, if you choose, you
know, it's, it's, it's, it's, um,

um, developing and figuring out the
puzzle of consciousness and, you

know, t- developing your awareness
and, and so on and so on and so on.

So that's all, that's all, you
know, you have to do this yourself,

'cause you're doing it to yourself.

No one can help you with it.

But there's also taking help, which
is the make it easy button, right?

The make it easy button gives people
the help, but the help doesn't

replace the self-mastery journey.

Audree: Let's use the word
support and guidance- Yeah, not-

not help.

Well- Because it has the word hell
in it, which is the God El that-

Michael: Yeah, yeah, okay, so-

… Audree: created this mess

Michael: to begin with … yeah, so I,
it, it, it, it can have impact on people.

So I acknowledge that.

So, so taking support, 'cause
there is work where our energetic

frequencies need to be upgraded.

Mm-hmm.

There is work and restructurings
needed that, that, that need to

be done, but we do not need to
understand the mechanics of it.

The f- we need to understand some of
the mechanics for application in our

life, but we don't actually need to
understand the full mechanics of the…

And we can't understand
the full mechanics.

I mean, you know, our, our energetic
restructurings are done by the guides and,

you know, it's, uh, not even like we know
what's going on, because it's not knowable

'cause the complexity is so great.

Audree: So the thing- So- … about
Interstellar, do you, you…

Interstellar is that the advanced
civilization that humanity

became came back to support and
heal the planet and humanity.

Do you understand that when w- if
you, the mechanics of creation that

we know, if you look back at it-

Michael: Mm-hmm

… Audree: we were all part of
the planning of the universal

frequencies of physical reality.

Michael: Right, so taking support- And

Audree: we're fractaled.

Michael: Yeah.

Taking support is just receiving support-
From- … from our own help, our own self,

as a future being that is independent
of time that's coming back to help us.

Audree: You know, I just- Something like
that … realized that the word self has

the word el- El … in the middle of it.

Michael: Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I don't know if there's
a way to get around it.

That's why I s- kinda
stopped worrying about it.

Audree: Well,

Michael: you know.

And things have been mitigated
there, so blah, blah, blah.

Audree: The I is the true one.

We are fractaled and
dissipated from our own power.

And the, and the guidance and support
that's coming through now is the

guidance and support of our, of

Michael: Right.

It's just us.

I mean, it's, it's, it's a you as source
consciousness created the transmission

of this work as the wake-up call for
humanity or the, the rescue beacon

or the homing beacon to come back
to the truth of what and who we are.

Yeah.

But it's just us helping our own
being at, at some level of creation.

Audree: Supporting and guiding our
own being- Yeah … back to wholeness.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

All right.

Yeah.

That seems a good place to close.

The

Audree: mechanics of creation are
profound, but that's what we're doing.

We're fractaled and we're bringing
ourselves back into our, into

wholeness so we have the power

to move forward in this
evolutionary process

And the she are saying, "We are here.

We're here."

Michael: So we'll close
with three minutes-

Audree: Yeah

… Michael: of E2 tr- mantra transmission.

You can just tune to the frequency

Thank you for joining us today.

Let's be evolutionary