B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Michael: Okay, so here we
are, not in our living room

Audree: Welcome to our podcast

Michael: From our car

Audree: The Be Evolutionary podcast.

Michael: Okay.

Audree: The c- the travel-

Michael: The travel edition

… Audree: the road trip version.

Michael: Very good.

Audree: Okay.

Michael: So where do you wanna start?

Audree: I don't know.

Well, first I wanna start with … Okay,
so just so everybody understands that

these podcasts are probably two weeks
behind our life or three weeks behind our

life, so whatever you're hearing, just
understand that what you are hearing,

we're th- like, you're in the past- Yeah

and we're in the present.

Yeah.

I kinda wish these podcasts were
either live or present day, like we

just put them out whenever we- Have
them … ha- have them, because, like,

yesterday, was it yesterday's podcast?

Did we do a podcast yesterday,
or was it the day before?

I,

Michael: I don't understand time anymore.

Audree: Me neither.

Um, so that was, like, a really
profound podcast, and I was

like, "I wish- What happened?

… people were getting it now."

I don't know what happened.

It was good, though.

Look at that lake.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Oh my God.

Um.

Okay, so we're in the-

Michael: Well,

Audree: well, well, you know-
We're in the nor- very northern

tip of the Appalachian Mountains in
Massachusetts, United States right now.

We're driving to Canada, eh?

But we're, ah, it's so beautiful here.

Yeah.

I love this drive.

Um, Michael's from Canada, so
we're going to visit family

Well,

Michael: let me, let me just make
some commentary on the podcast.

So we're like, we, we just record
the podcasts when they happen.

And then-

Audree: When we feel inspired … we,

Michael: we had one per week, and then
we're getting too far behind, and so I

was like, "Well, let's just do two per
week," which is kind of where we are now.

And, you know, I think
we're still, still behind.

I think we're like-

Audree: Oh, and this is why I'm
mentioning it, 'cause we- Maybe

Michael: we need to

Audree: do three a week.

Michael: I don't know … I, we

Audree: got a beautiful email
from one of our students.

Oh, my God.

And-

Michael: Oh, it was after your meltdown.

Audree: Yeah.

So-

Michael: The live

Audree: meltdown … so you guys
were listening to my live meltdown.

So I just want everybody to understand
that, that the meltdown happened like

three weeks ago, and for us- Three

Michael: or

Audree: four weeks.

Oh, yeah … it feels like-

Michael: A lifetime

… Audree: a lifetime ago, because the
evolutionary process that happens for

us is a moment-to-moment everyday thing.

It's not like we evolve, and
then it's like a few months

later, and we do some other, uh

It's, uh, it's happening every day.

So it's kind of like, um

You know

Michael: It's like every day's a new day.

Like, the, the, the, the what was true
yesterday is no longer true today.

Audree: Yeah, exactly.

Michael: I

Audree: think that's

Michael: what it's

Audree: like.

And, and that's what
evolution- Wow … is about.

It's, and if it's- Wait … not
happening like that- Wait,

Michael: wait, wait.

Wait, wait, wait.

But if we don't want that, if we want
every day to be the same as the day

before, that's our allegiance tradition.

That's our allegiance to our
life the, exactly the way it is.

Audree: Stagnated.

Michael: That's our life to non-evolution.

Which is fine.

Audree: Right.

And so, and-

Michael: Except there's machinery
inside your being that's

pushing you towards evolution.

Audree: So I just want, I feel like,
so there was a part of me that did

not want Michael to, um, release
that podcast out into the world.

Oh, Truth

Michael: Told.

Audree: Yeah.

Really, I didn't want, because I was like,
"I don't want people to see me like this."

I also said some things, who knows
what I said, 'cause, you know,

when I s- when I'm in that state.

I was in a very, very dark place.

And, and truth be told, um, is
because it's like we need…

We're not making any money doing this
work, and we need help, and there's

nobody around that wants to help us.

There are plenty of people that
wanna come and take our money.

That, for sure, is what's been happening.

And, and hey, we have no
money to give you, so there.

Um, but it's like, you know, it's like
the, you know, when anyb- when people

apply for a job, they're in, they're
in survival mode, and they're, they're

making a lot of promises, and at the
same time, um, you know, it's like we

live this work every day, so if you're
not doing this work, we can't hire you.

We've tried to hire people, okay, they're
just an outside peripheral, you know,

support staff, marketing, you know.

And, and at the same time, we're j-
we're just running into, like, you

know, I guess it's kind of like-

I don't know what that was.

Um-

Michael: It's saying there's
a mobile police camera.

Audree: Yeah, it was right there.

I'm going the speed limit
though, so I should be okay.

Um-

You know, it's kind of like
where are we authentic?

But I think for us, it's kind of-

Michael: And where are we creating this
is kind of the more important thing

… Audree: Well, we're creating it because
we are … And, and this has been the

whole thing this whole entire year,
since January, has really been about

why are we creating a reality where
we're, you know, we're not successful

with our work, and at the same time
we're very successful with our work.

So the truth is, is that we're
incredibly, so incredibly successful

with the work, it's just that we have
been in this process of evolution.

I mean, granted, we just changed
everything over, and we rebranded,

and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
and we're just trying to figure

out who we are and what we wanna
do in the world with our lives.

And I think part of that has been where
are we gonna stay committed to this work?

Are we, are we going to
be committed to this work?

Are we going to walk all the way through?

And I know last year we decided that
if we were going to really truly live

the work, then we were gonna dive even
deeper than we've ever been gone before.

And so part of that has been a complete
letting go of everything and all

the structures, and then re- kind
of reformulating our entire lives,

which is also why we're moving.

Like, there's, like, a lot going on.

And at the same time, it
gets very, very, like-

You know, you get to a place
where you're feeling hopeless.

It's like

You know, why do we have to go the
traditional route of, you know,

making ads, making webinars, you know,
advertising our stuff and, and there's

only, you know, this traditional business
model of scarcity and all, you know,

the, like the, the traditional business
models for, for the work that we do is

It's not who we are.

And we're not salespeople,
although I used to be one a long,

long time ago, and I hated it.

So it's just kind of trying to figure
out how to, how to put this work out into

the world and earn a living at the same
time, and I think that that's where it

just sometimes it gets disheartening.

And it's also part of the evolutionary
process, 'cause if we weren't in

this place right now, we wouldn't
be going deeper into the work.

So it's like the best thing
that, you know, it's the best

of times and the worst of times.

It's the worst of times
and the best of times.

So, um, yeah.

I, I- And I'm not gonna apologize
for me having a temper tantrum.

Oh,

Michael: I was gonna
say, that was so good.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: I was thinking even replying to
this one person was not necessarily needed

or helpful because it's almost like…

And I was thinking about, oh, do we post
something on, uh, on, on the, uh, just,

you know, to our community and so on.

No.

And I thought, no, 'cause the
next podcast is gonna clarify it.

So, like, and it's actually beneficial
for them s- 'cause whatever's

gonna come up for people is what
needs to come up for purification,

so there's nothing to really fix.

Mm-hmm.

Right?

Anyway, that was, that's what…

But that my first instinct was,
oh, we should do something to kind

of soften the blow or, you know-

Audree: No

… Michael: mitigate this.

But then I thought, realize- I, I…

Yeah … wait, wait a second.

This is a feature.

Why am I trying to fix it,

Audree: right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Michael: Anyway.

So I wanna go back to what
you were saying, though.

Audree: What?

Okay.

Michael: Which is part of the
understanding- Look at how pretty

Audree: this

Michael: is … it's, it's gorgeous here.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

All these trees.

And it's green now.

The hills.

Audree: Yeah.

Yeah.

Michael: The, um- Vibrant

The, the, the incomprehensibility
of the perfection of creation

So it's not something that
you can really mentally grasp.

And there's a knowingness along the
journey that we move into, which is

having a deep visceral understanding
of the perfection of creation

And that each moment is the gift.

Each moment is the exact training
program at the exact time for

our evolutionary process, and
that there's a perfection to it.

Audree: Big truck coming.

Michael: Yeah.

There's a perfection to it that
is incomprehensible with the mind.

I will repeat this.

There's a perfection that is
incomprehensible to the mind.

So yesterday, there was this freak
incident where I was lowering this,

this … We were put- packing stuff for
the car and lowering this bin that was

heavy, and there was some weird glitch in
my system where I paused as I was putting

this heavy thing down at maximum kind of
bending point, and my back went toink.

And I was in so much agony and
pain, all I could do was lie

down and call to Audrey for help

And I'm like, "I do not know what to do.

Something very bad is going on here."

Oh.

And so, you know, what do you do?

What do you do?

Well, when, in the program we're in,
what I did was I looked at, okay,

well, what is actually happening here?

What is the gift in this moment?

What is in my being that is expressing
itself that wants purification now?

And, and this is in the midst of,
like, agonizing, agonizing pain,

excruciating pain in my back.

Like, pain like I've
never, ever felt there.

I mean, it's, like, crazy pain.

And I'm like, "Okay, well, you
know, let me go through this.

Let me, let me work at
the, the stage I'm at.

Let me lean into what my phase of
evolution is here with the tools

that I have at this, this phase."

Hmm.

And, and, and that…

So that was yesterday.

And, you know, the, you know, we're here
driving and this, you know, Audrey's

driving 'cause, you know, I'm mostly-

Audree: You're gimpy

Michael: in, in pain and still in pain.

It's not as intense as it was yesterday.

And, you know, I've used all the tools.

I used our, you know,
E2 healing activation.

And it was playing actually in
a loop all night, and I'd wake

up, and I'd be in part of it, and
then I'd f- fall asleep again and-

Audree: Oh, you had a huge process on the

Michael: college too.

Oh, my gosh.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, yesterday.

Like, there was this huge- Hmm … like,
place of seeing the self-hatred

within me towards my own being, and
I was just crying, like bawling.

Bawling.

And then the bawling would go on for,
I don't know, 30, 30 seconds, and

then it, it flipped into this, this
laughter where I was laughing at the

ridiculousness of the whole thing.

So that was kinda like-

Audree: When you say ridiculous
though, there's, like, a little charge

in that- Okay … ridiculous-ness.

Michael: Okay.

Cool.

Audree: Thank

Michael: you.

I

Audree: think…

And I think even when we started
this, the car ride, we've actually

been, like, processing and talking
while we have been driving.

We just decided to mic up,
but 'cause we've been already

driving for a few hours.

There's like something about not
unconditionally like accepting

Who you are, and I don't mean who you are
like, you know, source consciousness, this

perfected being or being in a high state.

It's like loving who you
are in those lower states.

You know, all the mistakes that
you made in your life, all the,

the anger and the frustration or
the hopelessness or the bitterness.

You know, like is, is
it … Or, or being an asshole.

Like instead of trying to be, you
know, this like enlightened being, you

know, when because you don't want to
be the asshole anymore, but you've been

the asshole your whole entire life.

Like where, where did, where is that?

Like You know, the understanding
that we have about the mechanics of

creation is that source consciousness
is picking and choosing through our

incarnated being in so many complex ways.

We can't even understand.

But it's like the life experience and
the, and the, the parents that we had, and

the choices that we make, and it's like
we're- Right … we're constantly judging

it as negative and bad, and I shouldn't
have done that, and, oh, it's the egoic

consciousness, and it's my subconscious
behavior patterns- And I gotta fix this

Michael: and blah,

Audree: blah, blah.

Right.

And all of this.

And it's like, but where do you stop
and just say, "Oh, wow, you know what?

I was terrified my whole life.

I was really angry my whole life.

I…

You know what?

I don't like living in this
place, 'cause I don't like the

people that I'm surrounded by."

Like, where is that, where
is it okay to just be that?

And it's like, so, you know, all
those things are happening and

when we went deeper, we discovered
this, like, seething self-hatred.

Like the, the egoic consciousness is, just
hates itself and causes all this damage.

And then on top of that, it
hates itself for hating itself

and causing all the damage.

So then it judges everything, everything
and everyone, everything that we

do and who we are, and everything
everybody else does and who they are.

And it's like, it's just piled on top,
and piled on top, and piled on top.

Well,

Michael: e- every judgment against someone
else is just self-hatred towards yourself,

'cause you're making yourself feel this
low-frequency structure and energy.

Audree: Yeah.

It's like,

Michael: I mean- It's like, "Ugh."

I, I

Audree: mean…

There was- It's

Michael: crazy making, isn't it?

Audree: There was this guy
driving, and he wouldn't let me in.

Like, I had to get over to the, to the
right-hand side of the, the road, and

there was all this room, and I was…

And I, so I took the opportunity to,
you know, I put on my blinkers and I

started moving over, and he sped up and
he wouldn't let me in the lane And then

I was able to get in behind him, right?

And I'm just like, "What a dickhead."

You know?

And then I'm like, "Oh, my God.

That is so not, that's so not high, you
know- … consciousness of me, you know?

And, and I should be accepting everyone.

And I'm like, "But the guy really…"

And I'm having this conversation
in my head, and I'm like, "But

the guy was really an asshole.

Like, he was being an asshole."

And instead of me just being
like, "Oh, that guy is choosing

to be an asshole," and being okay
with it, I wasn't okay with it.

And then not only wasn't I okay with it,
but I was not okay with my judgment of it.

So I was not okay- And not

Michael: be okay with not being okay

… Audree: with me, right?

Oh, I love this, like-

Michael: That, yeah

… Audree: decrepit farm

Michael: over here.

Yeah.

Audree: Like, I'd love to- Yeah,

Michael: with the aged wood.

Audree: You know what?

The, something really, really beautiful
about this drive, if I was a photographer,

I think I would stop at every old
barn that's, like, falling apart, and

there's so many of them on this drive.

Like, I have a love of these, of, of
these buildings that are falling apart.

I don't know why I love them so much, but
I, I think they're gorgeous and beautiful.

Michael: It's like the
people falling apart.

Audree: Yeah.

Maybe that's what it is.

Michael: Maybe you like rehabilitation.

Audree: But I don't wanna rehabilitate it.

I just think it's beautiful
just the way it is.

I wanna photograph it.

And it's, it's just like
an old memory, you know?

It's like an old way of, you know, farms
in, in the United States are, are, are,

you know, people choosing to be farmers.

It's not happening.

And, and, and then they don't even
have the, the money to rebuild.

Most of those barns, did you know
that they're built with no nails?

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And they're built in this,
like, exquisite way that they just

don't build like that anymore.

And it's, so they can't even, they
don't even have the money to fix

them because of what it would take
to fix them is just outrageous.

And so they just have to let- Right
… these barns just kind of fall apart.

And a lot of the newer barns that they
build are kind of like, uh, it's metal

and steel and stuff like that, so.

Which is probably more durable,
but it's just like they just don't

build them like they used to.

I don't know.

I don't even know what this
podcast is about, but…

Oh, I know.

I'm, I think I'm, I'm having, like,
some reminiscence of, um, in my

first marriage, um, we had a, a farm

Outside of Chicago.

It was a couple hour drive.

And there used to be, on one of the farms,
on the roof, this giant farm, and on

the roof it said, "To God be the glory."

And we would always, whenever we
passed it by, oh, no matter who

we were with, um, we would always
be like, "To God be the glory."

And part of it was is that we knew
we were getting closer to the farm.

The other part is, is we always kind
of thought it was kind of funny.

You know, a funny saying, and
it was this big, huge God thing.

And we got out of the car
to go to the rest stop, and

it … It's just a glorious day.

I mean, it's just, you
know, it's like 73 degrees.

I don't know what that is in Celsius.

Michael: centigrade.

Audree: 21 centigrade.

And there's no clouds in the sky,
and the sky is blue, and the grass

is green, and there's a light breeze.

And it was just gorgeous.

And I was like, "Oh my God,
it's glorious out here."

And then I went, "To God be the glory."

You know?

And, and then I was kind of
just making fun of myself.

But it, it's like … And we've been
saying this in the podcast earlier,

I think it was even yesterday.

It's like we say that
God created everything.

And whatever your, your recognition
of God is, you know, it's some higher

power that created the universe.

And we agree with you.

Fun fact.

And at the same time, it's like there's
this aspect in our being that is the

creator consciousness that has- Yeah.

Yeah … that has been deprogrammed
basically as the egoic consciousness.

And it's,

Michael: it- That has a virus.

It caught a virus

… Audree: that, it caught a virus.

Michael: Which was
supposed to happen- Yeah

'cause the

Audree: super intelligence created it.

It just, it just s- it, it felt
that it was separated from what

you call God or the, the, the
consciousness that created everything.

And it went into this separated mode of
functioning, and with that, saying it's

also unworthy and it, it, you know, it…

There's all these things.

If you s- Hello,

Michael: human condition.

Audree: Yes.

If you, if you really want to just sit in
contemplation and keep asking, "What is

this thing inside of me that's afraid?"

Or, "What is this thing inside of me,
what aspect of my consciousness is angry?"

Or, "What, what's going on?"

Like, you know, you'll,
eventually you'll find it.

And-

That's the thing that's actually
creating the physical reality

that you are experiencing.

And you could experience creation in
this glorious way of like, oh my God,

look at how green the trees are, and
feel the breeze, and wow, I, you know, I

just hurt my back, but I'm learning all
these things, or I just- This has been

Michael: the biggest gift, like holy moly

Audree: had the experience of
this horrible boss, but what

did I learn about myself?

You know, this guy has garbage
coming out of his truck, but

maybe somebody needs that, that
bottle thing that just fell out.

I don't know.

You know, it's like ins-
but no, we don't do that.

We're like, ar, you know, this guy has
garbage coming out of his truck, and he

should know better, and we should stop,
and, you know, pick up the garbage.

Or, you know, I'm gonna get a different
job, and, you know, or, you know, fill

in the blanks of how we get angry,
and frustrated, or hopeless, or n-

you know, not experience life around
us that we are a- so we're … It's

not that physical reality is not real.

It is how we're experiencing
physical reality.

How we perceive reality is how we
are going to experience reality.

Sometimes we're up, and
sometimes we're down.

And I was saying to Michael earlier, I was
like, "Well, instead of just trying to be,

you know, this, this nice guy," and, and,
you know, it w- there was a situation with

a worker on a bid on the house for doing
some work, and it was just, like, at the

top, top, top level of, uh, an estimate.

And, you know, I just wanted him
to call the guy and say, "Hey,

can we lower the estimate?"

But Michael was trying to be nice,
and saying, "Hey, can you just walk

me through why it costs this much?"

And, and it's just like, I know
Michael can be an asshole sometimes.

And I'm like, I really
needed him to be an asshole.

Or not an asshole, but just, you know,
like, instead of the guy just, like,

keeping to the quote at the highest
possible price for this project,

you know, just say, "Hey, can you
lower it a couple thousand dollars?

Because it's not meeting our budget."

And, you know-

And that some, that
takes balls to do that.

It takes, you know, standing in your
truth or your divine right as a king,

which to us, we're so conditioned to, to,

you know, that nice is the higher road.

And I'm not saying nice
in the way of like…

I don't even know what I'm saying here
right now, but it- it's just kind of

like there's not being malicious, not
being an asshole, not screwing people

over, and there's also standing in your
power and your truth as, as a being of

it's okay just to be a little like, "Hey,
you know, this is really, you know, I, I

don't, you know, I can't do this price.

It's a little high, and I need you
to take the, I need you to push

the, the project down so it meets
our budget so we can hire you."

It's pretty straightforward, but
even that straightforwardness,

you have to feel it in your being.

You have to feel that
it's okay to, to be that.

And I think that there's this fine line
between, and we see it a lot in the

spiritual community or the, the, the,
um, self-development community per se.

It's like people mistaking being in
a high state of consciousness and

being like, "Oh, love and light.

Everything's okay," and talking
very quiet and very gentle when

that's not your personality.

Oh, we just had this happen in
our, in our class on Friday too.

You know, it was like Michael
was just being Michael.

And I think that, that even
Michael doesn't understand that.

It's like you could be passionate,
you could be precise, you could

be very factual, you could be firm
and loving all at the same time.

Oh, I love that place.

I

Michael: know, right?

Audree: Isn't that cool?

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: It's like a car…

Uh, a…

What is that called?

A junkyard?

Michael: Yeah.

They had a vintage car on top of a truck.

Audree: I know, and then they have this,
like, old bus that's, like, very colorful.

Yeah.

Oh, I bet it's nice.

Like, see, I would stop and
I would take photos of that.

Um, maybe I should do this drive with
my friend Chris, who's a photographer.

Um-

Michael: We're gonna go out this way.

Audree: Oh.

No,

Michael: no, no.

In, it's seven miles.

You've got time.

Oh,

Audree: okay.

Michael: But it's not this way.

Al-

Audree: Albany Hudson?

Michael: No, we're not

Audree: doing that.

Or New York, Buffalo.

Michael: Sorry.

We're, we're going this
way, and then that way, so.

Audree: Oh, this is the part
where we always get confused.

Michael: No, no, no, no.

This is, this is fine.

Audree: Okay.

Michael: We have to go
over the bridge, remember?

Audree: I'm-

Michael: New York state of mind

… Audree: I'm really bad, yeah.

I'm really bad at, at following the GPS.

Like, I don't know why I can't wrap
my head around- Well, you're not

Michael: supposed to use
technology … No, I'm not.

'Cause you're a being
of higher consciousness.

Audree: Anyway, so getting
back to, it's not about-

You're not a nice person just because
you lower your voice, or you are

spiritual, and you meditate, or,
you know, everything that you, you

know, you, you give information in
this beautiful, calm, loving way.

That is not what makes you a
being of higher consciousness.

What makes you a being of higher
consciousness is that there's no

emotional charges, and that when you
are passionate about something, or

you're, you know, you can say the
thing, and there's nothing behind it.

You know, you're not trying
to manipulate anybody.

You're not in an emotional charge.

You're, you're very, very
clear, but there's a precision.

There's a, there's a f- And, and, but
to other people, it f- it can feel

triggering because they have expectations
of you as this certain type of way, and

it's like when you're clear, and you
are in a higher state of consciousness,

uh, it's, it's like a whole different

It's a whole different ballgame of,
uh, of, you know, understanding how

you function and who you are, and
deservability, or worthiness, or not

causing damage to yourself because
you have cleared everything out of the

way that, that is less than love, and
you show up very, very differently.

And most of the time, I, I, I
always say this about gurus.

When you ever s- When you see a guru,
they're kind of badass, and the reason

why is because they've gone through all
the … What did they call it in India?

They called it the, the games of the ego.

You know, the manipulation tactic,
the, the, all the damage, all the,

you know, the things that it does,
the hooking, the not being authentic.

Let's see.

Um, you know,

and when you know the truth of who
you are, and you understand that

you're clean, and you're clear, and
you have integrity, you know, that's

the biggest one, is you have integrity
with yourself, and you have integrity

with, with the rest of the world.

You're just right in your being, and
then you can show up however you show up

in the moment, and it's not a problem.

You can cut in at any time, Michael,
'cause I'm just rambling now.

Michael: Okay.

Audree: At least that's
what it feels like.

Michael: Well, so one, the way I, I-

Audree: And, and we have to sing the, um-

Michael: Yeah, not yet … the New
York State of Mind song Not yet.

Not yet.

Um, so what was activating in
me when you were talking about,

you know, just being ourself-

Audree: Uh-huh

Michael: and, you know, I
mean, this is a complex topic.

Audree: No, I don't know.

Michael: Okay, you don't know.

Okay, but what I w- it's a
complex topic, and I know we've

talked a lot about human design.

I mean, I like to look
at that perspective.

Like, y- being yourself may
be that you share penetrating

insights that blow people up.

I know, I know of somebody in my
life who I love that has that, right?

And-

Audree: Cheers

… Michael: I, and then I know somebody
else who has, you know, the gate of

the fighter and, and the gate of shock.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Right?

Mm-hmm.

And this is how we're supposed to show
up when we have those gates, right?

Yes.

Like, I'm not supposed
to show up that way.

I'm supposed to show up with this,
like, laser precision sword of truth.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: And that cuts through all the
layers of bullshit in a flash with-

Audree: You didn't do it on the
phone with that guy, though … I,

Michael: I, I know that.

I know that.

Audree: Okay.

So- 'Cause you were trying to be nice

… Michael: well, just let, let, let's just-

Audree: That's where it
gets funky and wonky.

Michael: There are layers and layers
and layers, so I'm not gonna go there.

So, so that's-

Audree: I'm in a New York state of mind.

Michael: Yeah, we're crossing the bridge.

So we sing the Billy Joel song here.

Audree: I,

Michael: I don't know the words.

Audree: New York State

Michael: of Mind.

Gonna take a holiday
through the neighborhood.

Gonna get out to Miami
Beach or maybe Hollywood.

But I'm

in New…

And now something,
something New York State of

Audree: Mind.

Something about the Hudson River

Michael: Line.

River Line.

I'm gonna go with the Hudson River
Line 'cause I'm in a New York

Audree: state of mind.

'Cause I'm in a New York state of mind.

Okay.

All right.

Okay, Hudson River.

Michael: Hudson River.

Thank

Audree: you.

Hudson River.

Love it.

Michael: All right.

All right.

Audree: Beautiful.

Michael: Okay.

So this is where you
make the turn coming up.

All right.

So, okay, so, uh, so, so
that's what I was saying.

That's what was activating in
Audrey, which is, like, we're

supposed to be who we are.

We're not supposed to be anybody else,
and the human notion, any human notion

of being spiritual is like X is a lie.

Being in higher consciousness
is like X is a lie.

The reason it's a lie is because
being in higher consciousness

is fulfilling your design.

Audree: Remember I had the breakthrough
the other day where I was…

So how do we get off?

Follow

Michael: that bus

Audree: Okay.

Got it.

Um, I'm like, I'm an avatar.

Michael: You're supposed to be unique.

Audree: I am unique.

Michael: And you're supposed to be- And-

publicly unique

… Audree: and here's the deal

Michael: How do you get
comfortable with that?

I'm mystical.

Audree: I spend my whole entire life
in another realm, and, and, and so,

and there's this, like, also this
strangeness too because most of

the time I'm non-confrontational.

Yeah.

I'm quiet, da, da, da, da, da,
except on this podcast maybe.

But then when I do have this precision
thing going on, people are like,

"Whoa, where did that come from?"

You know, "You just chopped
my head off," or something.

And I'm like, you know, I think
that's where that, that, that's like

this, you know, yes, I'm mystical.

I'm a healer.

I'm a…

Oh, great example.

I was applying for a job as a massage
therapist, and the person, this is, like,

one of the last interviews that I went on.

The person that was interviewing
me at this health club was like,

"Well, if you were an animal,
what kind of animal would you be?"

And I was like, first thought, best
thought, I was like, "A tiger."

And they're like, "Oh, okay."

And then they asked me some other
questions or whatever, and they

go, "Excuse me for a moment."

And they left, and they came back, and
the manager of the health club came to

me, and she's this … And I was like, "Oh
my God, like, what's, what's going on?"

And they're like, "Well, you
know, the way you answered these

questions is very unusual."

I'm going the speed limit.

Um, "It's very unusual, and we wanted
to know if you were willing to, um,

instead of becoming a massage therapist,
if you wanted to become a manager."

And I was like, "Well, I don't understand.

What do you mean how I
answered the questions?"

And they're like, "Well, usually,
um, you know, people s- you know,

especially in your position as a
massage therapist or a yoga instructor

or whatever, they say, you know, they
answer the question a, a dolphin or a

whale- Right.

Something peaceful, right … or a rabbit.

And you said tiger.

So we wanna know if we can, you know,
put you in the role, um, as a manager."

Michael: Where you're a tiger.

Audree: Because I answered … And
I was like, "What?"

Michael: Right.

Um- So this is where your, like,
tr- you know, authentic self-

Yeah … is shining through.

Audree: And I love these yellow build-

Michael: Yeah, yeah

Audree: these yellow barns.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: I love that whole
homestead right there.

Right.

But it's on the road.

Michael: Yeah.

And so this is where your authentic
sh- self is shining through

and surprising you, like, what?

Audree: Yeah.

Mm.

Michael: Like, I don't understand
what's happening here because my false

identity of my limited self says I'm
like this, and what the world is showing

Audree: me- Or, you're supposed to be
quiet and peaceful, and it's, it's not

that you're not quiet and peaceful-

Michael: We love quiet coyote

Audree: it's that you can be precise,
and you can be active, and you can be

passionate, and you can be a truth-teller

You know, you're not hurting anybody,
you're just telling the truth.

And sometimes you have to
deliver that truth with a sword.

And if that's what it takes, that's,
in the moment, that's what it takes.

There's no issue, 'cause you're
not hurt- you're not trying to kill

somebody, you're just delivering
truth that's needs to happen

Michael: So where did this all take
me, this whole kind of adventure and

really what's happening.

And so I think where, what I got to,
like, on this drive is reminding myself,

a remembering that, I think this was,
like, a week ago, where I was actually

looking at the mechanisms of the light
codes that are forming, uh, what and

who we are in the creation of reality
and, and how we're, we're, we're…

The- these light codes are, are in a
sort of this gravitational traction

of low frequency or, uh, or open
and expansive in, in gratitude,

in high vibrational frequency.

And I was seeing how, oh, well, the
egoic consciousness can't get itself

out of the situation it's in because
it is in that situation, it is in that

gravity, and that something outside
has to come in, and that's what, that's

what source consciousness, that's what
our, the truth of who and who we are, is

that vibrational frequency that allows
the undoing, the reprogramming, the,

the letting go of the, the, the virus
codes of the deviation that are still

imprinted in our energetic structures.

And so, so this was this, you know,
kind of very, very direct experience of

the mechanics of creation of reality.

Now, the part I didn't get then, which
I just got this morning, is well, wait

a minute, I'm the egoic consciousness.

The thought in my head right
now is the egoic consciousness.

And then there was this, you know, it
really just took me back to the teachings

of, of Amma Bhagwan and, uh, of the
most, kind of the most advanced teachings

that, that were there, which, you know,
were not staged or phased or whatever.

But there were, there were
these beautiful sutras like- And

Audree: he says Amma
Bhagwani means where we went

Michael: to- We- Wellness
University in India

… Audree: in India.

Michael: And there were these
statements of, like, when the

impossibility of change strikes you

That's when change may happen.

And so what it really referring to is when
you realize that everything you're trying

to do is the ego consciousness trying
to do to find its way out, and there is

no finding the way out through doing.

And that the only way out is to stop
trying, to stop struggling, and to…

I, I think this year we're talking
about this, about, you know, what

we c- called type B, ask for help.

We taught it as part of the four A's
in our, our leadership training or,

or, you know, the Wild West one of, s-
when we re- had the original certified

agile leadership training of, of-

Audree: The four A's

Michael: leadership model

yeah, is to s- yeah, to see the truth so
deeply, and then understand that it's not-

Audree: It's a technique

Michael: for making your
change … it's not your creation.

It's not your creation.

And then ask for, for
help from a greater power.

So in this case, source consciousness, you
know, the truth of what and who we are,

our own being as source consciousness,
whatever that, that expression is,

that as a lived experience for us.

And when we do that,
that's, that's really…

And this is what I'm experiencing,
is just such a deep surrender,

such a deep letting go in my being.

And I think that's the whole trick of the
whole thing, is that we don't know how to

let go because we've been caught in this,
the, I mean, this is what the loop of the

ego consciousness is, this constant loop
of trying, trying, trying, trying, trying.

You know, "What do I do?

What do I do?

What do I do?

What do I do?

What tool can I use?

How do I do this journey?

Da, da, da, da."

And so this is where kind of the,
the whole journey, this is the

where the whole journey collapses,
where there is no journey.

There's just our vibrational frequency
in this moment, and what we're,

whether we're going to continue
operating from the low frequency

patterns or just let go completely

It's not even like letting go because
that's like a thing that we do.

It's more like just not

Just, just- It's like the seaweed story

It, yeah, it's like the

Audree: sea wizard … when I was,
when I was like, I think I was around

eight years old and, uh, I swam into a
bed of seaweed and I got pulled under.

And I kept trying to unwrap the
seaweed from my, from my arms and

my legs by, you know, fighting.

And at some point there
was just this white light.

All I saw was white light, and I had this-

Michael: Well, you were gonna die

… Audree: sudden sense of
peace that came over me.

And there was a voice saying,
"Audrey, stop struggling.

Stop struggling."

S- and so I stopped moving, and when
I stopped moving, all the seaweed

started to loosen up around my, my
arms and my legs, and then I was

able to slowly move to the surface.

And I was like five feet
under by that, that point.

Like, I mean, I was under, under

Maybe I am dead

But it was such a profound teaching.

I didn't realize how profound that
teaching was until, I don't know,

maybe a few years ago when we were-

Michael: Did it on stage

… Audree: when we were, while we were
doing this work and, and then it was

just like we're seeing all these people.

Part of, part of our leadership
training was to take people through

this playbook of how to create change
in your organization, how to, how to

get people functioning, how to get
high performance out of your teams,

how to, how to get the delivery.

Michael: Without command and control.

Audree: Without command and
control, and it's a very difficult

concept to kinda try to understand.

And, and what we discovered through,
through the teaching itself, what the

teaching revealed to us over time was
like, oh, yeah, you know, when you

push, you create resistance, and that
very, that, the very pushing your

people and your command and control
behavior is what's actually stopping

you from getting what you want.

And if you go back to your own
personal life, if you are trying to

succeed, if you're trying to make
money, if you're, you know, this-

Michael: Trying to get
rid of your back pain

… Audree: trying to get to, to become
enlightened, you know, you're

not gonna get anywhere, ever.

You are gonna be sucked down,
pulled down by the seaweed.

Michael: And you're gonna loop yourself.

Audree: You keep, you're struggling.

You're in a looping
state of consciousness.

And, like, the, we always say the
first thing is to just notice the state

that you're trying to do something.

Like, the agenda that you have to
do whatever you wanna create in your

life, look at where is it coming from?

What state are you, you know,
are you, are you, you know-

You know, pick a thing that you're
trying to create in your life.

Where is it coming from?

And look at that.

You know, if you don't have
money, you know, where, where

are you afraid of survival?

Where is your sense of
survival threatened?

And that, what is that, that
threatened state of existence that

you're in, the fear, you know?

And really go into that and, and,
and feel it, because that's where

the transformation's gonna happen.

It's in the awareness.

I keep s- talking about awareness.

That awareness alone is a
technology to shift consciousness.

Michael: That awareness is
actually all you actually are, so

Audree: that's accurate.

All you need is awareness.

Dun-dun.

Michael: Da, da, dun,

Audree: dun.

All you need is awareness, awareness.

But, you know, in that awareness,
it's not from a state of judging.

That's kind of…

It's like, you know, when you go deeper,
then you're s- like seeing awareness.

Oh, what's my awareness doing?

Am I judging things?

Do I want it to be different?

You know?

What if it were true
you're just an asshole?

What if it were true I'm just an avatar?

Again, I don't say that to anybody.

And one time when I was, like, in a,
in a meditative state, I think I was

in India, and I was like, "Avatar."

And then I, somehow I
got Audrey Tara, Abatara.

Now my sister makes fun of
me 'cause I said that to her.

It's the only person I ever
said it to, besides Michael.

And she just totally makes fun of me now.

Of course, Audrey Tara, Abatara.

And I'm like, but what if it were true?

Not for anybody else, but for me.

And the thing is is that I'm not special.

Michael: Well, that, that's what I
was just getting, is that everyone

Audree: ac- Every single person-

Michael: Is the one

… Audree: is the one.

Because you're the only one
that can change your life.

I think that was the, uh,
the podcast yesterday.

Michael: I have no idea.

Audree: This car is really loud and noisy.

Um-

Yeah.

It's, it's on you.

Like, you can…

And going back to the perspective- Right,

' Michael: cause, 'cause you're
the one who's struggling.

Ha, ha, ha.

Audree: Yeah.

Well, and only you can stop the struggle.

Only you can shift your perception.

Only you can change your belief system.

Only you can shift your behaviors.

Nobody else can do it for you.

We can't-

Michael: Only you can create
a priority for your life

staying exactly the way it is.

Only you can make your priority
for having change happen.

Audree: Right.

It's just like, where are you
gonna pledge your allegiance?

And, you know, I mean, if
you're listening to this

Michael: pod- Oh, I s- you know, most
people, you know, are in this place where,

whether they know it or not, they go, "I
solemnly swear and pledge my allegiance to

my life remaining in limitation and lack."

Audree: Mm-hmm.

" Michael: And abiding by the rules
of society and all that I have

been taught to stay in this looping

Audree: trap of limitation."

Oh, that was part of the conversation
this morning, because your doctor called

for y- to schedule a, a physical with
you, and you were talking- For next

Michael: year

… Audree: for next year, and you
were talking about how, um, you

know, even the questions that they
ask, you know, you're like, "Yeah,

people have a lot of problems."

Michael: I, I mean, it's just
mind-boggling when they go,

"Well, do you have this?"

I go, "No."

"Do you have this?"

"No."

"Do you have this?"

"No."

And it's just like this, this, this
endless list of questions of like, "And

are you damaging your body this way?"

"No."

"Are you damaging your body this way?"

"No."

I mean, but that's kinda like
the- Well, and it's even like-

that's what they're trying to deal with

… Audree: the, uh, you know, the, the
identity of, "I'm getting old, so

getting old has to be this way,"
or, "I'm, you know, I'm a certain,

I was born into a certain class of,
of people, so I'm this way," or a

certain religion, so I'm this way.

I don't even know how
people can drive those cars.

I'm gonna judge, and judge, and judge The,

Michael: uh, the Tesla Cybertruck.

Audree: The Tesla Cybertruck, yeah.

Michael: The greatest
abomination on the roads today.

Audree: But it can turn into a tent.

Michael: That's it?

Audree: It can.

Michael: No.

Audree: Yeah, they have tent features.

Michael: Oh.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Oh, that makes sense.

Audree: So there's probably somebody going
camping or maybe come for the weekend.

Michael: Well, you know, they d-
they d- for me, they do get full

credit for, you know, breaking
the, the limited design pattern

that all the other cars are in, so.

Audree: And the tradition.

Michael: Yeah, like
breaking from tradition.

Yeah.

So I, I, I appreciate that about it.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And, you know, I think
that's kind of what the…

I mean, in some ways it represents
everything we're talking about here.

From the, I'm just talking of the,
the, the geometric styling of it.

Not that it's beautiful or this.

I think it looks very industrial and,
like, militaristic and like a stealth

fighter bomber or something like that.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: But, um, but, but what
it, but, but what it represents-

Audree: It has a sense of her to it.

Michael: Yeah.

And what, what, but what it represents
for me structurally, so I'm just

looking at the structure, okay?

Audree: Uh-huh.

Michael: Not the feels.

Yeah.

The structure of it is beautiful because
it's saying, look, we're gonna create

something new that's moving out of all
tradition, all past, and creating the,

this new possibility forward structurally.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Right?

Mm-hmm.

The design aesthetic of it, as I
said, is like, you know, very like,

eh, like a, like a, not, not sure
this is the, the, the, the choice,

um, that matched the vibrational
frequency I wanna be connected with.

But, but just the, but just the structure
of it is there's a, there's a beauty to it

Audree: Why don't you wanna be
connected to that vibrational frequency?

Michael: Well, I can feel it,
like the, this, this, this

Audree: tightness The minute…

Yeah, the minute you go into
judgment and resistance is, you

know, what you resist must persist.

And I, I mean, like, I'm the same thing.

I was like, I, the minute I
saw it, I was like, "Ugh."

Like,

" Michael: Bleh."

You know?

No, you see, I'm not, I'm
not experiencing that.

I'm just saying that's not
what I choose for myself.

Like, I don't have…

Other people can do it for
themselves, that's fine.

But like, I don't…

Do you know what I'm saying?

It's like- But why not?

Well, for me, like when I, you're asking
that, I'm feeling into beauty and I,

I'm not connecting like senses of beauty
with that, that, that construction.

I understand.

Audree: So like

Michael: it doesn't-

Audree: It's, it's super,
super subtle though.

You're, you know, you're saying
it's ug- ugly because you

want to connect- No, I'm not.

I didn't say it was ugly

to beauty.

You say that you want to connect to
beauty, so automatically that means

that you're judging it as ugly.

Do you understand that,
that it's so subtle?

'Cause we're going really,
really deep right now

If it was an is-ness and
you were completely clear,

Michael: it would just-
This is what I choose It,

Audree: it, it-

Michael: There's no justifica-
it's a justification

Audree: It's not even what you choose It's

Michael: a justification

Audree: It just, it just is, right?

It is you don't have one.

That's it.

There's nothing else there.

There's no commentary.

There's no dialogue.

Michael: That's beautiful, Audrey.

Audree: There's nothing.

Michael: Yeah, 100%.

Audree: Yeah.

That's enlightenment.

Um-

There's nothing

Michael: Well, I think
we're coming up on time.

Yeah, we're coming up
on time Good, 'cause I'm

Audree: hungry for watermelon right now.

Michael: Okay.

Very good.

Okay, so we'll do a three-minute E2 mantra

Audree: Mm-hmm

… Michael: uh, starting now

Thank you for joining
us in our auto edition

Audree: The road trip edition

Michael: The road trip edition.

Let's be evolutionary