B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Audree: So it's good to keep doing these

Michael: Okay

Audree: And I like them.

They're fun

Michael: So welcome to our living room

Audree: Hmm

Grab a cuppa

Michael: Hmm.

So

So the first, the first conver--
So this is the second, second

invitation to mic up from Audrey.

Not sure if the, not sure if they're
invitations, but, um, and- Yeah,

Audree: we sit down in the living room.

Michael starts talking, and
I'm like, "Should we mic up?

No."

Michael: Yeah, so the fir- the first
attempt was I was talking about some, some

of the mechanisms of working with AI and
understanding how it works and navigating

all that, and Audrey's like, "Well,
you should mic up and talk about it."

I'm like, "Yeah, no, I…

Like, there was a, there was a she
channeling where they said, like, do not

talk about this because we'll be creating
and doing work with AI in the future, and

I'm not gonna talk about that either."

But, and then Audrey was
like, "Well, you know, where?"

And I'm like, "Well, I don't, I, you know,
I'm, there, there are like, you know-" So-

hundred and hundreds of transcripts," so
it's like I don't, I don't have like a…

I can't give her the quote without
like going and doing a detailed search.

Well,

Audree: okay.

So AI is a very, very hot topic right now.

Mm-hmm.

Everybody is concerned about it
or working with it or whatever,

and you're a flipping genius.

Michael: Yeah, I think what, I
think what's, what is valuable

is to talk about understanding
what AI is and what it isn't-

Audree: Mm-hmm

… Michael: not about the, the mechanics
of using AI because there are challenges

with the current AI that exists because,
a fun fact, it was built during the

deviations, which means that it is
founded on the deviation, which means it

cannot help you transcend the deviation.

It is a limited, fundamentally
limited technology.

Audree: You could tell by using it.

Michael: Yeah.

So-

Audree: Fun fact

… Michael: so maybe we'll
just talk about that first.

So, so the, the, the, you know, you
know, I mean, this is like, you know,

having, having spent a good part of
my life, about four or five years in

a artificial intelligence lab at the
University of British Columbia- Wow

doing work with, uh, soccer-playing
robots initially and working in the

computer vision lab and understanding
and, and doing a deep dive into

human functioning and consciousness
to understand, well, how do we build

machines and AI to replicate this?

That- And, uh, and then together with
our development and understanding

of what consciousness is, that these
are very, very different things.

The-

Audree: Wait, can…

I wanna go back and just establish
your credibility and your expertise.

Michael has published papers on
artificial intelligence in, in, in

doing the research, and his research
went from the lab into creating a

company that was w- working with or
building products for, uh, uh, robotic-

Michael: Stereo vision technology for
allowing machines to interact with the

world, which is now in every single,
almost every single car in the world- Yes

for understanding whether it's
gonna have a collision or not or-

Audree: And Michael-

… Michael: proximity sensing

… Audree: Michael, you know,
poor life choices, left.

It was him and th- four other guys
that- Mm-hmm … started this company.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And he left the company to move
back to Toronto to be near his family.

Michael: Which turned out to be the
perfect decision, 'cause you don't

know how things are gonna play out.

Anyway, so-

Audree: Right, 'cause you
possibly would not h- be here-

Michael: Well, the, the big- … doing
the podcast … the big, the big

errors give us the big lessons.

You can, we can summarize it that way.

That's a much…

That's a, that's a tot- Look,
it would just stay on target.

It

Audree: was a profound missed opportunity
to make a shit ton of money- Yes.

Anyway … and be in AI, which
all of a sudden, you know,

20 years later, you're back-

Michael: Yeah

… Audree: working in AI again.

Michael: So what I wanna clarify is that

The AIs that we have today and the AIs
that can be created from developers,

scientists, researchers who are in the
deviation can only be imprinted with

a deviation, only be imprinted with a
fundamental perspective of limitation.

And when we look at it, it's best
to understand AI as a tool or a

junior team member, a junior team
member that you're working with.

And so if you think about human beings,
human beings are designed to work together

in collaboration, that there's a, there's
a value add when we come together.

And we see this with, uh, our human
design, um, very, very clearly that our

gates and channels are only complete
and fulfilled when we have a, uh,

like, uh, people coming together.

And, and most of us on the planet,
most of us are designed to work

with the other people fundamentally.

We're not designed to work on our own.

Like it's-- it just doesn't
work like that, that way.

And so when we look at a human being
or human beings working together with

an AI, we can look at their skill
profiles and say, "Well, hey, what's

the AI really good at right now?"

And, and it's gonna change over time.

It's an evolving picture.

And what is the human really good at?

And what we see is there's a, there's
a, there's really a non-overlapping

set where the AI is really good
at some things and the human being

is really good at some things.

Like the AI is very good with a lot
of details, cross-checking a lot of

details, a lot of synthesis, a lot of
procedural step-by-step complex plans.

The AI can handle all this.

What it can't do is see where it's
getting things completely wrong, where

it has the context completely wrong.

That's what human beings are good at.

When I was learning Like, let's go back
to when I was, uh, learning about Agile

in, in 2001, and Alistair Cockburn wrote
his book on called Agile or Agile Software

Development or whatever it was called.

And, you know, his fundamental
theory of people working together

is that people are really good at
noticing what's going on around them.

I'll repeat this.

People are really good at noticing
what's going on around them.

They're really good at noticing,
"This doesn't seem quite right."

People are really, really good at that.

And so when you use that ability that
people have, this kind of natural kind

of instinct or, or this sense or this
bigger picture or this doesn't feel

right, that's where the AI and the
human being can work together as a team.

That is what healthy use of AI is.

It is a teamwork.

It is the human being learning from the
AI 'cause the AI can look up a lot of

data very quickly and teach the human
being about the problem, about the

context, so the human being can decide.

The error mode of AI is the AI can figure
it all out and I'll just let it run.

When you do that, if you've ever done
this, you know this is a complete disaster

or often a complete disaster 'cause
it's gonna make incorrect assumptions

'cause it doesn't have your context.

It doesn't have your bigger
picture understanding.

It doesn't have your nuanced understanding
of what's right and what's wrong.

It's gonna evaluate it
from its perspective only.

And so when we bring these two
perspectives together, there is an unlock.

There is a partnership And
the biggest challenge is that

we as human beings are lazy.

We wanna put in the least amount
of effort to get the result, and

there's nothing wrong with that.

It's about you learning.

And, and, you know, if I go back
to-- I'm gonna go back to Agile

here and extreme programming.

You know, extreme programming says do the
simplest thing that can possibly work.

Do the simplest, most limited AI
interaction that you can that will work.

So what you're learning to do as a human
operator of an AI is you're learning.

It is-- Working with AI
is a learning project.

You are learning how to work with
the AI so that it will actually work.

You're learning how to
be an AI co-creator.

That is what you are doing.

And most people don't know they're doing
this, they're not consciously doing this,

and they're just trying to get their
problem solved without understanding

that there's two different activities
happening every time you use an AI.

The one activity that you're
doing is solving your problem.

The meta activity you're doing is learning
how to be a co-creator with the AI, AI.

And when you have that notion, you have
that embedded in your being that you

are there learning, you'll understand,
well, learning, your learning as

a human operator is the bottleneck
for being successful with the AI.

It is the bottleneck.

That's why we say all the work that
we do with organizations of leading

evolutionary organizations is about
unlocking that learning It's about moving

from a fixed mindset, not just to a growth
mindset, but to an evolutionary mindset.

It's about using tools such as unlearning
to unlock our ability to learn, unlock

our ability to take information.

So if you look at AI, the problem
is not the AI, the problem is the

limitation of the human operator
in their evolutionary process for

understanding how to work with AI.

And this is not something that
someone can solve for you or

just give you a course on it.

This is something that's internal
and embedded and intrinsic to your

existence as a human being and
how you function on planet Earth.

It is your choice.

What is your evolutionary
stance towards your own being?

Audree: There are step-by-step procedures.

Michael: Yes, there are.

Audree: I, I'm not gonna talk- But

Michael: that's secondary.

Those are tactical.

Tho-

Audree: those are tactical.

We're

Michael: talking about the big thing here.

Audree: I know, tactical and
necessary to work with an AI.

Mm-hmm.

And I think from working with you and you
teaching me how to t- how to learn how to

use AI, I think one of the things that I
love about AI is m- I, I get to have this

open curiosity, and I'm learning, and I'm
learning how to, how to work with the AI.

And you've given me very specific
tactical things that I need to do with

the AI, and that has been, um, like…

I don't even know what the word is, but-

Michael: Priceless?

Audree: Priceless.

It has been, um-
Sensual … revolutionary for me.

Um, it unlocked the capability of the
AI, and it unlocked my capabilities

to work and co-create with the AI.

Now, I could say even with those
tactical step-by-steps, and I watch you

too, and we, we have these discussions
all the time about the AI, 'cause

you're using it a lot right now.

How wrong it gets things, and you have to,
you have to be s- s- so careful with it.

And I love what you just said, that-

Michael: Was it's the tactics and
the strategy and the culture, right?

Audree: Exactly.

Michael: Fun fact.

Audree: Well, and the culture
is we're lazy, you know?

And it's, it's true.

It's like we're looking f- outside
of ourselves for something that's

more intelligent to fix our problems.

And when you do that, and this is
fundamental to our work, when you

do that, you give your power away.

And what we're doing as a society
is we're giving our power away to

artificial intelligence instead of
seeing artificial intelligence as, as

a partner, as a co-creator, and that
we're not gonna give our, our power away.

We're gonna have, not power over in obs…

You know, this oppressive, suppressive
sense, that we're going to be working

together as a team, and we are just as
valuable as the artificial intelligence.

And the other thing about that,
when you start to come at artificial

intelligence in this, in this other
way, in this new perspective, you

start to understand that the artificial
intelligence can't solve all the problems.

A- but, or and, it is fantastic at
gathering data and sifting through, you

know, years, 10 years of research, and
collate all that information so you can

have access to it immediately instead of
taking three years to go through it all.

And, and then, and, and understanding
it, disseminating information so

that you, as a human being, in your
intelligence, you can use it again to

then co-create what you're looking for
or what you need from all that research.

And, and I think people are, are being

I think they're being taken for a
ride by a lot of people in the AI,

in the AI world, that AI is going to
fundamentally shift- change humanity

and humanity, you know, uh, I- we've
talked about this before, the universal

income and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And those claims are being
perpetuated by people that need

funding to fund their AI research.

And so they're, they're making these
huge claims about their AI that it's

gonna be able to do all these things
and, and I don't see that happening.

And I'm not an expert in AI, I'm
just seeing what we see by using AI.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: And I love where you're going
that I know that there's some people

that have tried to create artificial
intelligence, um, that has a different

consciousness, and they're using

information within the deviation
about consciousness to build an AI

that is conscious, that is higher
consciousness, and that will not work

Michael: It can't work.

It could never

Audree: work.

Okay.

I'm off my soapbox now.

Michael: Okay.

So I think there's something you
said that triggered a thought.

Mm-hmm.

Um, is it, it's not power over.

It's not being…

So the, it- it's co-creating with-
Yeah … co-creating with the AI.

And the thing is, if you're
afraid of the tool, of the AI,

you cannot co-create with it.

If you're not ready to learn how
to work with it, you're gonna be

very limited in your ability to
co-create with it or not at all.

So I think what I'm, what I'm speaking
about, and I think, I don't think I've

communicated this to you before, so
this is kind of the new insight for

today, is that understanding that when
wherever we're working with an AI,

we're in learning mode of understanding
how do I work with this correctly?

What am I doing that's working well?

What am I…

You know, in, in, again, I'll
go back, go back to Agile.

There's this idea of
having retrospectives.

Retrospectives or just, or just ongoing.

The team is self-reflective
of what are we learning now?

How can we do it better?

There's a continuous learning culture-

Audree: Mm-hmm

Michael: idea.

And when we approach using AI from that
perspective, we're looking at it going,

"Well, how can I be doing this better?

How can I be…

Like, what am I not thinking of?"

And when we use that ability of ourselves
to look at the context and we're saying,

"Oh, well, y- you know, um, you know,
very, very obvious things like well,

you know, why don't I get the AI to do
it for me instead of having me do it?

Like, why am I playing the
middleman where it's giving me

instructions and I'm doing the thing?

And, you know, is, is there some way I
can give it programmatic access or…"

You know, and, and so that's where,
you know, when we start to think

about how can I make this easier?

What is the AI missing?

What am I missing right now?

And we have our ability as
consciousness to be self-reflective.

That's where we harness our full
power of, of what we are 'cause, you

know, fun fact, we'll do a segue here.

You are awareness.

You are consciousness.

That's what you are.

Right?

We had a beautiful gift from the Shi
yesterday where they were saying,

"Look, looks, look dumb human."

They don't call people
dumb, but you see- They

Audree: don't act like that at all.

Michael: No, no, but, but
this is what it feels like.

It's like, well, did you notice?

Did you notice that your body just
runs itself and how profound that is?

That you can just exist
and experience life.

You don't have to think about your blood.

You don't have to think
about the oxygen levels.

You don't have to think
about the digesting the food.

Y- you are gifted.

You, you do not understand what you are As
this extraordinary being of consciousness

existing in this biological computer
that is running on automatic for you.

What do you do?

You, you give it some water, you
give it some food, like, you know.

Audree: Sleep.

Michael: You sleep.

I mean, that's all you do.

I mean, it's like, you know, I mean,
it's like, it's like the car that you

don't really have to maintain, right?

You just put the gas in and it goes.

You just put the food in and the water
to keep the fluids running, and you go.

You don't even have to think about it.

It just works.

Like, do you understand this?

You are a consciousness in
a vehicle that just works

We're so conditioned, it's hard to
even grasp the profoundness of this,

that we can exist in our bodies as
consciousness and everything just works

But we're so busy, caught up in the
deviation, the mind, and projecting

these problems, and creating
our own problems, and all this-

Audree: And running the, the-

… Michael: mind noise

Audree: Right, running the negative
mind track, the background radiation

that's con- consistently looking
out in the world in, in negative,

negative thought, negative thought,
negative thought, negative thought.

Michael: Right.

So we're putting all these
toxic thoughts into our body.

You know?

We're making pr- sometimes poor
life choices, eating toxic food

Punishing our bodies, taking, putting,
ingesting all sorts of chemicals

like alcohol and other things,
putting our body through that.

And you know what our body does?

It says, "Okay."

Audree: "We'll process it."

" Michael: We'll process it.

We'll get by.

Doesn't feel so good, but okay."

Like, d- do, I, it's really mind-blowing
when we stop and just, so just stop

and recognize your body,
what it's gifting you

what your body is gifting you

It's gifting you the possibility
of experiencing being in this

world as a being of consciousness

In the deviation, we think,
"Well, it's my body," and we don't

even think about what we are.

You know, we think we're,
we're told we're just a brain.

Audree: Not even, 'cause
it's so uncomprehensible that

we just ignore everything.

Michael: Yeah, we just, we just, "Yeah,
this, my brain hurts when I think about

what I am or what my existence is."

Audree: Okay, so, so-

" Michael: So let me, let
me just ignore all that."

Audree: Okay.

So g- let's get back to the AI just for a
second- Okay … so we could finish that.

What does the body have to do with the AI?

'Cause you s- segued into being
consciousness and living in a body.

Michael: Well, there was a
tie-in at the point, but that

was, like, a minute or two ago.

Audree: Okay

Michael: I felt complete with the
AI topic, so I was ready to go on.

Audree: Oh, you were ready to go on.

Michael: Yeah, maybe you weren't.

Audree: No.

So

Okay.

I, I could, I could go back to AI,
but then it's, it just sounds like

we're trying to sell our work.

And I don't wanna do that.

But it's needed.

Michael: Yeah.

100%.

Audree: Yeah.

I was gonna try to tie in, well,
how does our work helps, help an

organization- Yeah, no, don't, don't,

Michael: don't do that

… Audree: learn AI, and I could think of,
you know, 10 really solid points of why.

Michael: Yeah, that, that, that-

Audree: And I'm not going to

… Michael: yeah, it doesn't go here.

Goes to the webpage.

Well,

Audree: yeah.

Michael: If at all, anyway.

Okay.

So, uh, so no, I was using this
as segue to the other topic

Audree: Should we

Michael: just- Which is the
one we started, we t- wanting

to talk about, we mic'd up

Audree: Should we just do a new-

Michael: No, no.

No, no.

Okay.

That's not how it works.

Audree: I have a master plan,
but I can do it afterwards.

Michael: Wait, you have
a master plan for what?

Audree: Oh, nothing.

Michael: Oh.

Well, that's…

What, you gonna throw the throw the
clickbait out there and then go whoop?

Okay.

Anyway, so okay, so-

Audree: Do you even
know what clickbait is?

Michael: Yeah, I know what it is.

It's like where you have a
image on YouTube, which with

a provocative title- Uh-huh

that you get people to click on to get
them to look at what's inside the video.

Audree: And then inside the video ha-
It's, it's something different … doesn't

have an- something totally different.

Michael: Yeah, the, that there's, so
there's a level of clickbaitness you could

call it, where what is the level of match?

Like, "You really need
to know this now," right?

Mm-hmm.

Versus is it really something
you really need to know now?

I mean, like maybe 10%, 20%.

Yeah.

So it's not like a yes/no
thing, it's a, I see it more

as a gradient of clickbaitness.

Audree: Okay.

You do know.

Michael: As, as level of truth.

Very good.

Yeah, I, I actually do know.

Audree: I was checking.

Michael: Yeah, that's good.

Um, so, so the, the, the r- the original
topic we're mic'd up to talk about,

which was the second topic, so that's not
too confusing, um, was, I'm calling it

the, uh, the Potter Patronus Principle.

Audree: The PPP?

Michael: Yes, not to be
confused with the other PPP.

PPP.

Yes.

Audree: Which is the-

Michael: The Peter Projector Principle

… Audree: Peter Projector Principle.

Michael: Yes, which is about living- TM
… which is about projectors Fully harnessing

a living, waiting for invitation.

Yeah.

Audree: I waited th- two years or
three years for this invitation.

Maybe more.

Michael: Mm.

So-

Audree: Not this one that
we're talking about now-

Michael: Okay

… Audree: by the

Michael: way.

So, so let's go back.

So, so the … So if you watch
the movie Harry Potter, I think

it's, I don't know which one.

Patronus Charm, so it's maybe
the third one, fourth one maybe.

Audree: It's when they go back
in time, so it's kind of like-

Michael: Well, they have the time turner.

So that's second or third one.

Anyway.

So, uh, what is it about, um, Potter,
Harry Potter, Potter, Patronus.

Patronus is the name of this magic
spell, this charm they cast to create

this protective energy with light.

Audree: That, that actually,
um, dissolves Dementors, or

Michael: re- Yeah,
dissol- yeah, dissolves n-

Audree: Or reflects them,
deflects them or something.

Michael: It, it dissol- it kinda dissolves
in spells and makes them go away, so.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: Yeah.

And then, um, principle.

So it's a principle.

So what is the principle here?

Audree: So it's the
Potter Patronus Principle.

Principle,

Michael: yeah.

Audree: TM.

Michael: Yeah, all right.

God.

All right.

So you can't, 'cause we don't own Potter.

That's, uh, that's Rowling.

Yeah, or

Audree: Patronus.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: I think JK Rowling has that.

Michael: Yeah.

Anyway, so, like, you
can't trademark that.

Crazy pants.

All right.

So what is it, what is
the Patronus Principle?

Well, in the m- in the book, in the
movie, what happens is, um, Harry Potter

is being subjected to the, y- being
attacked by these Dementors who are gonna

basically suck his life force out of him.

Sound familiar?

They're killing

Audree: him.

Michael: Yeah.

Sucking his life, his
soul out of him, right?

What is the, what is the deviation doing?

Um, and what happens is he's about
to pass out, and then he, across

the lake, across this small pond, he
sees, uh, he thinks he sees his father

casting a Patronus Charm to save him.

And then he-

Audree: His father f- who is already dead.

Michael: Who's r- who's been dead,
who's been dead his whole life, yes.

So, uh, so he doesn't understand
how it could be true, but he,

he knows that's what happened.

He thought he saw his father,
and whoever it was cast this

Patronus Charm that saved him.

And so what happens is, uh

It was, so it was a very, very
powerful Patronus, so a very,

very powerful wizard cast this.

And so then, you know, what happens?

They go back in time, and he comes back to
the situation, and he's on the other side

of the pond watching himself being killed.

And he goes, "Wait a second,
there's only me here."

My father isn't here.

There's only me Yeah, where's my father?

He's not coming Yeah, where's

Audree: my father?

Michael: He has to be here.

And he goes, "Wait a
second, it's only me."

And he said, "Wait a second, I'm the
one who cast the Patronus Charm, the

powerful Patronus Charm that got rid of
all these Dementors, that saved myself."

And then he casts the
spell and he saves himself.

The point here is that you
have the power within you

You are the only one that can save you

And you already have that power

The potter patronus principle helps
us connect with that understanding

That you, you can think of this if
you want as your future self, but it's

actually the you right now connecting the
truth of who you are as the all the yous

that has the power to change everything

that has the power to help
you move beyond all limitation

And then if you look at the next
aspect of this, which is what

is the Patronus Charm fueled by?

It's fueled by the happiest
memory you can think of, which

is an approximation in the book.

It's really a, a stand-in for

Audree: A very high vibrational
frequency Yeah which we understand as

Michael: The love of source consciousness.

Yeah The love that you

Audree: It's not a human love

Michael: Not a human love.

The creative life force of the
universe that you have access to

Now, the funny thing is-

Audree: Oh

… Michael: you're thinking about
where is this- And it goes back to

Audree: my thesis

… Michael: where is this

The love of source within my own being.

Why can't I access it?

Where is it?

Well, the fun fact is you're using it
all the time right now in the pattern

of the deviation to create everything
you're experiencing in your life.

It is the only creative force in the
universe, and you in the deviation are the

one creating your reality with the light,
with the love in it, and you're getting

the love to wrap itself like a pretzel, so
it looks like a lower frequency structure,

and you're using that to create your life.

The unhappiness, the fear, the challenge.

Audree: And then you're veiling
all of that from yourself,

so it's all subconscious.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Yeah, this is actually really cool.

One of the other things that came in
this morning was, well, you know, there's

this, there's this thing of, well, if God
is all-powerful, you know, if you have

an immovable f- if you have an immovable
object and an unlimited force, you know,

how do you, how do you resolve that?

And it, and it…

And the resolution, you're
living the resolution right now.

You're using your infinite power as source
consciousness to veil the truth of what

you are doing to yourself from yourself.

Audree: Fun fact.

Michael: Nobody is doing it to you.

You are doing this to yourself.

That is the, the ultimate depth of
understanding the creation of, of the…

or the mechanic of the creation of reality

And so it's not about thinking about it.

This is why, you know,
it's, it's becoming clear.

This is why the mechanics of understanding
the mechanics of creation and having the

awareness to have a direct experience of
the mechanics of creation allows us to

see the structures that we created for
ourself to keep ourselves in limitation

to have this experience of the deviation.

Audree: Right, 'cause knowledge is power

Knowledge actually is like a, almost
like a mirror to understand your

power, what you are doing, how it works

Michael: I, I wanna clarify, when
Audrey's saying knowledge is power,

she's not talking about information-
Mm-hmm … that you have in your mind.

She's talking about the knowledge of
direct experiential knowledge where

you know within the whole fabric of
your being the mechanic of creation.

That is the kind of power we are
talking about, not like, "Oh, I

know this," or, "I know that."

Mm-mm.

That's- Mm-mm … that, that knowledge
within the mind is within the mind.

It cannot allow you to transcend the mind.

The understanding and having a gnosis,
a direct visual, or sorry, direct

experiential knowledge of the mechanics
of creation is the unlocking of your

awareness that allows you to pierce
through the, the veils of misperception

to see the mechanism, what's happening,
and through that to free yourself

So

Audree: So

Michael: There you go.

Audree: My thesis, my last year at the
Barbara Brennan School of Healing, so

it was, uh, actually run like a college.

And my thesis was about what if we…

I, I don't remember the exact, the
exact question, but it was, uh, or, or,

or s- supposed statement or whatever.

I'm, I'm not an academic,
so bear with me, people.

Um, but it was m- my idea was
what if we taught children

Um, to about, you know,
beyond the five senses.

To, to actively encourage and to,
um, amplify and to harness the

ability for their sixth sense.

To have clairvoyance, to have all
this clear cognizance, to, to see

beyond, you know, what is in front
of them, you know- … solid matter.

And, you know, like everything that I
was learning at Barbara Brennan, what

if we taught children this in school?

And so that was my, my, my question.

Like what would happen?

And I didn't have an answer until
I started doing the research, and

what I started to find was like I,
then I found out about, um, s- uh,

Steiner and Waldorf schools, and how
they built into their curriculum.

They taught children about energy and
about things beyond the, the five senses,

and how that encouraged the development
of their intelligence, how it opened them

up creativity, you know, their creativity.

And then I started looking at,
uh, the research about, um, in

the, in North America about how
children develop resilience.

And what I found was that there
were, um, major studies, there

were books written about this.

I forgot the guy's name.

Goldman.

Anyways, it was…

I forgot.

Um, 'cause this was back in
1998 when I was doing this

research and writing this paper

But what I was seeing was that the
research was very definitive that they

were doing s- they were researching
and doing studies on children that

were raised in the ghetto, raised by,
um, by parents that were drug addicts,

that were abused, that were neglected,
abandoned, all of these things.

And, and in their adult life,
they made it out of the ghetto.

They made it out of these horrible,
horrible childhood situations.

They were resilient, and they lifted
themselves out of these impoverished,

um, traumatic childhood environments,
and they became very, very successful.

And so they, they researched
these children, these…

now these adults, w- what, what
was the commonality that, that, you

know, could they find a commonality?

What was the, what was the, the
thing that made these children

resilient so they could be successful?

And what they found in every single
one of them, the commonality, the

common determining factor that created
resilience in children was that they had

one adult or experience in their life
where they received unconditional love.

And what they actually found was it
didn't have to be a long period of time.

It could have been one instance.

And I think, um, Tony Robbins, I
heard him speak, and he spoke about

this a few times, and he said,
um, that he had, he had written

a paper or something like that.

I don't remember the whole story, but he
was called into the office of his teacher.

He thought he was gonna get
punished, and his teacher's

like, "You're a great speaker.

You're, you're, you know, you
have this potential in you to be

a, a great, powerful speaker."

And that's when he shifted
his mindset and changed.

And so going back to the research that
I did, I started to see that if children

had one experience where there was
somebody that gave them unconditional

love and that one experience or many
experiences where they had this in

their life of unconditional love that
cr- it created this ability within

them to have resilience that moved
them from this traumatic environment in

their childhood into a successful life.

What if, and this is what happened
to me, I was taught meditation.

I was pulled out of…

I was, I was…

Somebody in, in, in the school system saw
that I was at high risk, and there was

this pilot program to teach meditation,
and I was pulled out of class, and

there were like 10 kids that were pulled
out of class and taught meditation.

Like, I went to-- I had meditation,
I think it was like seventh

grade or something like that.

And, um

And it was like, well, what if
we just baked it into the school

system, into the curriculum?

W- how would that change in public school?

And that's when I sta- started, you know,
seeing that Rudolf Steiner had meditation

baked into, you know, certain types of
meditation baked into the curriculum.

Um, then I started looking at martial
arts for kids bakes in meditation

into the curriculum of martial arts.

Like, you're one-pointed focus.

You're silent.

You're, you know, you're doing the
breathing techniques, you know?

So it wasn't like meditation specific,
but it was giving kids an opportunity,

and this is where my, my thesis went,
was that you're exposing children to the

ability for them to harness access to
unconditional love, higher states of…

I didn't even say higher
states of consciousness.

But it was like

It's so…

I'm just remembering right now,
I just threw that paper away.

Like, the only copy.

Like, it's not even on a…

I don't have the computer disk
or there was no iCloud back then.

The only copy that I had of that
paper I threw out whe- I think when

we moved from Canada, or maybe when
I moved from California to Canada.

I kept it for a really long time, and
then I thought, "Eh, I don't need this."

How important it is for us to have
access to the, the, the, the n- the high

vibrational frequency, because that's
what it is, of unconditional love.

So you're saying source
consciousness, and it could really…

And people in a deviated state or in a
conditioned state of, of, like, actually

listening to this podcast can say, "Oh,
well, you're talking about religion.

You're talking about a higher, a
higher being that's out there."

They're gonna immediately cross-reference
with what they know, you know, when you

say source consciousness and you say…

And, and, well, folks,
there's no getting around it.

The, the heart of every single
major religion on this planet

is talking about the same thing,
which is where we all came from.

What we…

The truth of what and who we
are is source consciousness.

And then it got, you know, distorted
and misused and blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah, and now we're talking about God.

And so it's, it's very hard to
talk about consciousness and not

talk about source consciousness or
the truth of what and who we are.

There is only one truth.

So, but we're not trying
to be religious here.

We're just trying to talk about the
mechanics of creation and how we function.

And we're talking about low vibrational
frequency and high vibrational

frequency, and we're talking about
lower states of consciousness and

higher states of consciousness.

And when you're in a higher state
of consciousness, it is, it…

I, I think the only word we could describe
it, because it's, it's this, it's this

ultimate state of peace and stillness,
and we, as humans, describe it as love

But we're not talking
about love from source.

And if you go back to the AI, we're not
talking about giving our power away to

some intelligence that's outside of us.

Michael: It's going back to
the Potter Patronus principle.

It's us loving our own being at such
a deep, deep way that it just melts.

Audree: Melts all the conditioning,

Michael: the distortion.

The way you know what it is, because
people, you know, the ego wants to

make it up in your head and pretend
you're having the experience, is

that it dissolves all the lower
frequency structures because this

Audree: Oh

Michael: This vibrational frequency of

Audree: love The I Ching mantra is the

Michael: Patronus Dissolves

Audree: Oh my God

Michael: Dissolves, that's why it
dissolves the lower frequency structures

Audree: Right, it

Michael: puts us immediately-

Audree: Yeah, so the shift, the shift-
… in a high state of consciousness

Michael: Yeah, the shift is
from using the Itu mantra

And using that frequency
to being that frequency.

That's the shift, that's the
migration, that's the, the evolution

Audree: And

Michael: The other, the other thing
that I could say about this place,

I'm just looking inward now, is

There's an accessing

and a connection with the, the creative
force of the universe, of all creation.

So there's this feeling of

I, like I, I, the only closest word
I have, there's no word in, that

I have in my language, but power.

But it's not like any other kind
of power I've ever experienced.

It's this, this, this

There's no words to really describe
it, but it, it, it, the, the feeling

experiential feeling as a that I'm having

is the, uh, just the knowingness
of the command of creation.

It, it's, it's a very, it's v- you
know, v- I mean, this is, this is

like kind of the, you know, very
refined states of experience.

But this is, this is where
the whole journey's heading.

Audree: The she, I think it
was yesterday or the day before

They point things out to us.

And what they pointed out to us was that
every single human being that has been

born starts with the spark of creation.

You think about when the sperm meets
the egg, and the sperm penetrates

through that barrier, there's an
explosion, a spark of creation.

Or a seed has to have this spark of
creation so it bursts forth through the,

the, the shell of the seed, and that seed
could be dormant for a very long time.

The power of that spark of
creation, each and every one

of us is born from that spark.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: And so that spark is the
truth of what and who we are.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: So I- We all have it within us.

Michael: So this is, this is…

I, I'm just getting this now.

It's like, you know, this is the way to
understand what the whole journey is.

It's about being able to
ignite the spark within us.

And so-

Audree: Oh, and it's- … the
whole- … not something that's-

Michael: It-

… Audree: you know, sleeping-
Yeah … at the base of our spine.

Michael: Yeah, fun fact.

Audree: Fun fact.

Michael: So, so it, it's interesting.

And so, so what all these mechanics, what
all the accessing of high vibrational

frequency is- Oh- … is the training
program to get us to the point where

we have the depth of understanding the
mechanics of creation, where we can- As

Audree: a living, experiential reality

Michael: where, y- where we
spark, where we spark our own

creation, our own beingness

To transition to a fundamentally
different state of functioning

Audree: Yeah

Michael: Awakening the Power Within

Audree: And just-

Michael: It's kind of a cliche
title, but, you know, that's- Just

for- … truly, truly what it is

Audree: And just for re- It

Michael: just takes a long time
to get there And- Maybe not so

long for people coming Not so

Audree: long Yeah And just for reference
for people, every single cell in your body

right now has that spark sitting in the
center of your cell Mm-hmm Every single

cell in your body, and you have billions
or trillions of cells or whatever.

Michael: Yeah, so it's when you
start to feel that, it's like, "Woo,

I'm really coming alive here" Right
"All right, let's get cooking."

Like,

Audree: it's there right now

It's like the, the metaphor, you
know, the Earth turns away from the

sun, but the sun is always there.

Always there.

So you're not trying to
get everywhere, anywhere.

You're not on this journey
that's gonna take a long time.

Michael: Well, even that

Audree: metaphor falls apart Michael
likes to think it takes a long time

What?

Michael: The Earth
turns away from the sun.

Even that metaphor falls apart.

It disintegrates because we're
turning away from our own being.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: There's no…

It's not like the Earth is
here and the sun is there.

It's, it's just the Earth
turning away from itself.

Audree: Yeah

Michael: It doesn't make sense
as a metaphor anymore, but

but that's what it reduces to.

Audree: Well, that's 'cause the
metaphor was in the deviation.

Michael: Yeah.

It's more like the sun
denying it's the sun.

"Oh, there's no brightness here."

Audree: Look away.

Michael: Look away.

Well, well that's what the sun,
that's what the sun can do.

It can look out into space and
say, "I just see blackness here."

Audree: Hmm.

" Michael: I just see darkness."

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: It's like, well, no, no, no.

Look at yourself.

You're the sun.

Look at yourself.

Audree: I'm on fire.

Ah.

Ah.

You know, humanity's- … humanity's
always looking for like,

a, like why am I here?

Why are we here?

What are we doing here?

You know, is the Messiah gonna come?

Is somebody gonna come to save us?

And I, you know, it's really interesting.

I'm gonna digress for a minute, but

Michael: Everything is
possible in this podcast.

Audree: Oh, I was on a, I was- This

Michael: podcast is
digression upon digression

Audree: I was on a YouTube channel.

I, I found this, it came up in my feed
of, you know, the Sumerian, the Sumerian

ta- uh, the Sumerian writings have
been, you know, decoded or whatever,

and they found that, um, there's
something called the return cycle that

the Sumerians wrote about, where the
Anunnaki or somebody, the gods are

gonna come back in this return cycle.

They're gonna come back, and
they're gonna check in on humanity.

And they're gonna s- you know, it's
like if, if humanity is still warlike,

in lower consciousness basically is
what they were saying, that they were

gonna destroy humanity and, and only
let the ones that are evolved in higher

consciousness, um, survive, um, because
for the good of, of, of the universe

or the galaxy or something like that.

And, um, you know, I think over and over
again throughout our history is that

there's been something pointing us in the
direction of a shift in consciousness.

Mm-hmm.

An evolutionary journey.

Regardless of what the
truth is, regardless of what

the, the ancient- You're

Michael: talking about the commonality

… Audree: text say.

Yes.

And so, you know, to say, "Oh,
I don't know why we're here.

I don't know what we're doing here,"
well, if everything has been pointing

over and over again to the, the same
thing, even if they're making this

shit up, you know, maybe this is just
a misinformation and somebody was

doing a clickbait, going, going back
to the whole clickbait thing on- See?

on YouTube.

Michael: Come full circle.

Audree: Everything comes full circle.

Um, you know, that is it, is it true?

Like, what if it were true that, that
this is the reason why we're here?

We're just here to evolve.

We're here to- Mm … shift our
perspective, our, our belief

system, our ways of functioning into
higher ways of functioning, what

we say evolutionary ways of being.

Mm.

You know, w- it just, everything-
… kind of points to the same thing.

So instead of denying-

You know, or misinterpreting or
saying, "Oh, that's not true," or,

"Oh, that's woo-woo," or, "Oh, that's
religion," or, "Oh, that's, you know,

you know, the, the Galactic Federation.

All that's bullshit," you know,
or, or, "Oh, there's UFOs.

Oh, there's no UFOs," or, "Oh…"

You know, whatever the thing is, it
all seems to be pointing to one thing,

and that is that life, the universe,
and everything is asking us to awake,

awaken, and to shift our ways of being.

You know, even, even the way
we're sustaining our society on

this planet is not … You know,
it's, like, fundamentally flawed.

It's just fundamentally flawed.

And not being religious and not being
woo-woo, and not being, you know,

like waiting for something else to
save us, it's just all we have to do

is turn inward and save ourselves.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: And I think that that, that's
what we're kind of getting at, and

that k- keeps being the message
over and over again that we get, and

that's the journey we've been on.

Michael: Mm.

Audree: And even to the point of,
like, letting go of, you know, the,

you know, going to India and doing
all this stuff, we've, we've … You

know, through our own experience, we've
realized … And even when, you know,

when it happened with, with my son
and when he became paralyzed and he

wasn't healing … I have to sneeze.

Excuse me

Was that I realized that, you know,
searching outside of myself for

a power that's going to save me

was not gonna work.

Mm-hmm.

And it doesn't mean that you can give
up your belief system of a higher power

or a higher intelligence that's running
the universe, 'cause that is also true

Or at least my lived reality.

It's that you are that

And to, to stop disempowering yourself,
and I think we say this over and over

again, is that we give our power away
and it depletes us from, from, from

shifting and changing and healing
and transforming our own selves

Michael: Mm-hmm

Just to echo two themes

The Potter Patronus principle means that
it is the end of seeking, 'cause you are

the problem and you are the solution,
that you have the means within you.

And to go to what Audrey's saying, it's
the journey of discovery, discovery of

what and who you are, is discovering you
are the one creating it, nobody else,

and that you have the power to change it.

Or you can get the power to
change it, true, and you can go

on a journey to gain that power.

And it's coming back
to the hero's journey.

You return to where you started,
but you're changed and different

and everything's different.

Audree: Right.

You have the courage, you
have the intelligence.

Like, you gain all of these skills,
but what you're gaining is you're

just the under- the, the, the
visceral gnosis, the experience

that it's always been inside of you.

There's not a tool outside of you.

You know, you could use a tool, but
unless you have whatever that spark is

inside of you, the tool doesn't work.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: All

Michael: right, so we'll close
with three minutes of each mantra

Thank you for joining us today.

Let's be evolutionary