B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Audree: Thank you

Michael: Okay, so the stage is set.

The landscapers are here, so
there's some background noise.

Audrey just came downstairs
and her coffee is ready

So

Where to begin?

Well, being right now, so, so just,
just now in the kitchen, I had this

moment of just being in pure awareness.

Pure awareness and experiencing this fear,
this kind of a fear pattern in my being.

And it was extraordinary.

I was just with it and experiencing
it without trying to change it,

without trying to make it go away,
just totally free of any of that.

And then on the other side, I hit this
just profound state of ecstasy and bliss.

And it's like, "Oh, well, this
is just our natural state of

being when the fear is gone."

It's like, "Huh, how fascinating."

So how did I get here?

So you're gonna like this part.

Well, yesterday was this
really intense clearing day.

I mean, the most intense I've
ever had in my whole life of more

purification than ever fast- You
said that the other day, though

faster than ever.

No, that was yesterday I
said it about yesterday.

Audree: No, you said it last week, too.

Michael: Well, that's … 'Cause
it was true last week.

Right?

When we brought back all those…

I was, I checked even.

I, like, I mean, I thought, "Well,
wow," like, I mean, it feels

like so much has, like, happened.

It's, it's like, is this more than
when we did our, um, what was that?

The, the soul inception crystal
re-unification where you

brought back all the parts?

And it's like, it actually was a
bigger day, and I'm like, "Whoa, okay."

Like, I, I don't know how to measure these
things, but that's the metric I got back.

Anyway, so

One thing that was coming up yesterday

Audree: I, I just wanna add,
we have been doing the, the

Awakening to self-love, which is the
removal of the self-hatred process.

We've also been doing the, um, unification
activation or unifi- what's it called?

Michael: That was the se- well, nobody…

This is not even released.

This is just for mastery students.

The, the soul uni- soul- Well, right
now this is for us … Soul inception

crystal unification process, yes.

Audree: It's not called s-
it's not called soul inception.

Michael: No?

Doesn't matter

Audree: Anyways, we've been doing that

Michael: Yeah.

So

Audree: Results will vary

Michael: Right.

Yeah.

Well, that's just part of the whole
thing, 'cause we need mastery of

all of the aspects of creation.

Otherwise, we can't control
what we are or understand it.

Well, actually, control is a good word.

Anyway, but, but so yesterday,
what was coming up was this

realization of there's this huge gap.

Like, I was just thinking about
some of our, our students, and

there's this huge gap between…

And not just in our students, in myself,
with what the ego says, you know,

something, you know, sort of a negative
life event comes along, and the egoic

aspect of it says, "Oh, this sucks.

I need to change this.

How do I fix this?"

Right?

Whereas- You're welcome … whereas,
whereas the purple dot, the truth of who

we are, is going like, "Oh, look at this.

It's coming up.

There's a opportunity for
learning, for purification.

I wonder what'll happen.

This is so good."

Right?

So I, I was kind of, you know,
anthropomorphizing the purple dot, right?

The aspect of our higher self, the
truth of who we are, versus like a,

you know, something like we- what
we perceive as a good event, where

the egoic mind says, "I want this.

I need to achieve this.

How do I make this happen," right?

It's so excited about pursuing some
sort of good life event, whereas

the purple dot's going, "Oh, okay."

It, it wants to focus
outside instead of inside.

"I'll just wait.

I'll just hang out here and chill."

Right?

And just seeing this pattern,
like, externally with our students,

and then looking inward, "Okay,
what's this pattern in me?"

And I'm like…

And then a whole bunch
of stuff cracked open.

But that was just, like,
the, the starting place.

So-

I don't, I don't even know how it started.

There, there was this moment

Oh, I know what it was.

One of the things that the Shehavah's
doing is looking at where, where

we're not in gratitude, where
we're not at 100% gratitude.

And so I made up a list of all the things
that, you know, if I'm in gratitude with

all these things, I'll be in, in the
flow of life and coherent and so on.

Like, you know, gratitude for
the ego consciousness, gratitude

for my own being, like I'm
making … There's a whole list here.

But one of the ones … And so I
started making this list every time

something kinda came up in life.

And one of the ones I noticed was a
challenge was 100% sovereignty for,

for the other, in, in particular
you, also our students and so on.

And what I mean by 100%
sovereignty is, okay, do I see

this person as 100% sovereign?

Do I have gratitude that
they are 100% sovereign?

And I worked through the whole list.

Like, there were 10 or 13
items on my gratitude list.

I worked through them all.

There was financial stuff- That you

didn't have gratitude for … that
I didn't have gratitude for.

Got it.

Yeah.

Like, there was like,
like it was really weird.

I'll tell you a weird one.

Like, the financial prosperity- Mm
… that one was clear, but money was not.

So it's like there's like … So
what I saw is these multiple

dimensions, um, to it.

So there's a whole other … I'll give
you the update on there later, but, um.

So anyway, so, so there I was looking at
all this, and so then I was looking at,

well, where do I not give sovereignty?

And it's like, oh, I wanna control
the other person's behavior.

You know, Audrey's
making this life choice.

I want to control, and I want to
make a different life choice, right?

Which is this whole beautiful Waking Up
From The Movies movie called Ruby, Ruby

Sparks, just phenomenal, phenomenal.

I mean, I remember that blew me apart
like a year and a half or two years

ago when I was really honestly looking
at how I wanted to control the other

person I'm in a relationship with.

It's just fabulous, fabulous movie.

And Waking Up version, of course.

Perfect.

So, so I was looking at this, I was
looking at this, and it's like, oh, where

do I wanna control Audrey, and where do I
wanna control what our students are doing?

Where do I want … And
I'm like, wait a second.

The teaching is where, if I'm seeing
it outside, it's really my own

being saying, "Hey, what about me?"

And like I know I wanna control my
emotions, my reactive behavior patterns,

and the experience inside my body.

Like, that part I've known.

I mean, that, that's part of the,
you know, step one of the journey.

Audree: And it should be on
the list 'cause it's impactful.

Michael: Yeah.

And so, so but what I saw,
what I saw in this moment, and

this is the breakthrough here-

It, it's not about seeing that I'm
trying to control my behavior, it's about

connecting with that aspect of my being
that is the doing to try to control.

Like I know we've talked about,
you know, where's the resistance

and where's the judgment.

Or the fear.

Where, where's the wanting
it to be different.

Audree: Well, and the deep survival
mechanism for control, right?

Michael: Well, this is what
I … You know what the joke is?

You know what we've been teaching with
our leadership course for hundreds

of classes is all about control.

Mm-hmm.

And about letting go of control.

And so what I- Command and control.

So that's the joke.

The joke is the punchline is on me,
is that all of it was about ultimately

seeing how I want to control my own being.

And it's really like the egoic conscious
wanting to control its own being.

And that was the breakthrough moment

When you can see the part of you that
wants to control everything internally,

externally, everywhere, and then

heal that part, then ev- then that's
where I just popped into pure awareness,

where there was still stuff going
on, but it's like I wasn't trying

to control it or change it anymore.

It was just there.

And that's when I could be with the fear
and just be in awareness with the fear and

then break through to the, the bliss state

Bye-bye.

It's very, very subtle.

Those are really just
playing it back to you.

Like, it's very, very subtle.

Like, trying to describe
it with words is tricky.

Audree: Well, that's something
that I've noticed in the last

Maybe week or two.

I don't know.

When we started doing those
new processes that we created

Michael: Mm-hmm

… Audree: that the depth, the level
of which we're going into, like I

think it was yesterday morning even,
I had that sudden instantaneous

awareness that

It, and it was like the
egoic consciousness.

I was just watching it.

The egoic consciousness became aware
that it is source consciousness.

Was that yesterday or the day before?

Michael: It's all one.

I just-

Audree: Yeah, I know.

I don't remember, and it was just
profound, this profound moment

When the, the egoic consciousness
actually beca- like flipped

its whole entire perspective

Which may explain why I had
that huge … Usually when I

have a big, huge, like, profound

shift in consciousness- Mm-hmm … there's
a whole bunch of purification happening.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Well, def- yesterday definitely
felt like some purification.

Audree: Because I asked you for a divorce?

Michael: You didn't ask me.

You told me that's what was gonna happen.

Audree: Well, you know.

One can only wish.

Michael: Well, I, you know,
I, I'm noticing, like, that's-

Audree: Until I start working on
the book, and then I was like,

"Oh, we have to do this together."

Michael: The, uh … It's,
it's really interesting.

It's like, you know, the new- But

Audree: it's not like, "Oh,
we have to do this together."

It's just like my heart, like, bursts
open for you, and then I just have

this profound sense of love, and then
everything just starts to calm down again.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So it's not like a have to or, you know,
like, I can't do the work without you.

It's more like the work is some
sort of strange phenomenon,

some kind of weird love bond.

Michael: It truly is inexplicable.

Audree: Or you're downstairs doing magic.

That too.

Mm-hmm.

It's so funny how, like, y- you have this,
like, deep sense of controlling another

person, and I'm, like, the wild horse-

Michael: Mm-hmm

… Audree: that just wants to be free.

Michael: I told you you're perfect.

See, see, I think the thing is- I'm a

Audree: triple fire horse

… Michael: the thing, the thing is, when
I'm saying you're perfect, it's not

from an egoic conscious perspective.

It's from a purple dot perspective.

I understand.

Purple dot is, like, you know, it's like,
wow, you know, the ego conscious having

such a hard time with this situation.

This is so good.

Like, like, it's gonna
bring up all the stuff.

Audree: From fuck you to thank you.

Michael: Yeah.

Well, that's the, that's the thing.

The, the fuck yous on the- I think
I have to- The fuck yous on the

ego side, and the thank yous on
the, on the truth of who we are.

Audree: I know.

Michael: You have time
for a bathroom break?

A bio break, yeah.

Bathroom break or we'll-
Just hold on a second.

We'll, we'll just pause.

And we're, and we're back.

Oh, yeah.

And we're not back.

Now we're truly back.

Now we're really back.

Hmm.

Audree: So we've always wanted to write
that book from fuck you to thank you.

Mm-hmm.

The relationship-

Michael: Yeah

… Audree: book.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: I can say one thing that I'm
grateful for in this relationship is

that you've held such a steady commitment
to your own process, and really turning

inward, that it's allowed me to have
that same commitment to turn inward.

So even yesterday, I wasn't
blaming you for everything.

I was just saying that, that the
triggers that were there were,

like, I was just, like, done with
having to even be present to it.

Mm-hmm.

It's like if we're, if
we're hurting each other-

With our reactivity that doesn't really
have anything to do with the other person,

but we're still impacted by it, should
we stay in the relationship just because?

Like

Michael: Right.

Well, I think this is my whole point
about the interpretation of a life

event and the interpretation of a
life event as a negative life event.

And this is where there's a
difference of perspective.

The egoic perspective of this is a
negative life event, this is bad, this

sucks, I need to change this, versus,
versus the, the purple dot perspective,

the truth of who we are says, "All right.

This event rocks.

Oh my gosh, this is so juicy.

I can lean into this."

And, and I, and, and the ego conscious can
purify and move into truth of what it is

as p- as, as, as creator consciousness.

Audree: Well, I will say- So, so it's

Michael: like that's the
purple dot perspective.

That's the perspective that
I have on, on relationships.

So it, it doesn't- You know what

Audree: you did differently yesterday

Do you know what you did
differently yesterday?

Michael: I do not specifically
know what you're referring to.

Audree: You said, "I'm so sorry."

You've never, ever said that.

Michael: Hmm.

Fun fact, I have and
you haven't heard that

Audree: No, this was like, this
was like a deep, real- Oh … true.

Michael: Okay.

Audree: I know you're shocked at yourself.

Michael: Well, y- you're a, you're
a projector and you have the fe- and

you have an emotional data collector.

So if you say, "This is the only legit
I'm sorry," uh, then I'll believe you.

Audree: I mean, you've said other-
I'll do the work for the truth … I'm

sorry's that were legit, but
they were kind of like- They're a

Michael: different level of legit.

Audree: Yeah.

This was like a real,

Michael: like-

Audree: Oh, with the feels.

Yeah.

It was like ho- a holy shit, I'm so sorry.

Michael: Oh, you know what was happening?

Audree: Mm.

Michael: That's the first moment
where I was truly seeing you

as source consciousness in
that moment when I said sorry.

Mm.

Like, I'd never been in that moment before

And I think that was in the afternoon,
earlier in the day when there

was sort of kerfuffling going on.

It was not the truth

So something, that's what I'm saying,
yesterday was a huge day of purification,

'cause that's never, that's never
ha- as you said, that never happened.

And I guess that's the whole point.

It's not about saying sorry.

It's the frequency of it.

Exactly.

I mean, you can say, "Sorry."

I mean, like, you know?

Audree: Or you can say, "Oh, I'm so
sorry," but it doesn't have the weight

of the actual, you know, when you
honestly and fully, when, if, when

you fully see somebody else's source
consciousness, everything changes- Yeah

in- internally.

Like, it doesn't, the
words aren't the weight.

The weight is this profound sense of…

Michael: Well, it's go- going back
to what we teach in, in, like,

the level one leadership training,
it's like the words don't matter.

Mm-hmm.

It's the energy behind it.

Right.

And even going back to where we are
now with where we are in our training

program of, okay, nothing matters
except for the frequency, right?

It's our frequency that's
creating our reality.

So that's where we're looking
at, well, where are we with

our attitude towards things?

Ac- actually, that, that brings me to
another thought that I, epiphany that I

had, which is that every negative thought-

Mm-hmm

… is the gateway for healing
and transformation.

Mm-hmm.

Like, not, like, the big ones,
not, like, this category.

Every single negative thought about
ourself, about another person-

Wow … about a situation, about
the president of the United States,

of anything, about the environment,
about companies destroying the world.

Every negative thought is
the gateway for purification.

It is a projection in the outside world
of the disturbance inside of ourself

that wants to be healed and purified.

Mm-hmm.

That was the realization this morning too.

And, and- Every, and it's like- I think,

Audree: and people forget, you're not,
like, trying to clear your, you know,

your disturbance about the environment,
about the leader, you know, the

government, about the organization.

You're not clearing that disturbance.

You're going deep, deep inward
with profound awareness, which

takes some practice, by the way.

Michael: It is a journey.

Audree: And you're seeing how the egoic
consciousness feels about its own self.

Michael: Mm-hmm

Right?

So, so essentially, and
this is the, the- Oh,

Audree: by the way, you guys,
we have a big property, so

you know, the landscapers for,
like other people would be

here for like 30 minutes and-

Michael: Yeah

… Audree: ours are here
for like three hours.

Michael: No, no, no.

It's only, it's only an hour.

They're pretty fast.

Seems

Audree: like three hours.

Yeah.

Michael: So-

There was an X thought
and then it disappeared.

It's okay

Hmm.

What were you saying?

Audree: It's kinda, it,
it's hard to explain

you know, isolating with your
awareness the egoic consciousness

It, it, it takes some practice

Michael: It takes
everything that we teach.

It's like the frequency, it's the
energetics, it's the awareness,

it's the progressive layers of
developing awareness to a very,

very high precision level, right?

It's, it's actually like a s- a skill.

Like, it's like playing,
you know, a- Oh, you

Audree: can ask … pl-

Michael: playing a concert, playing
a, you know, being a concert pianist

and, like, playing this, you know,
you know, you know, grand, you

know, 60-minute extraordinary piece.

Well, the way you learn to play
that, the way you have that level

of musical precision or awareness,
is you practice, and you start with

the scales, and you, you build up,
and you build up, and you build up.

I mean, that's the, that's why
it's, it's a journey of mastery.

You can also ask

Audree: the ego
consciousness to show itself.

Mm.

Like, 'cause it, it, it … So it's … I
can't even explain how I sense it,

but it, it actually, it's weird.

It feels like I have layers inside of me.

That's what it

Michael: feels like for me, too.

Yeah.

It's like there's this layer right here.

And

Audree: there's this, and there's-
Uh-huh … this layer that will talk

back, and you can feel it because
it's kind of, it's disturbed.

It feels lonely.

It feels separated.

It feels angry, you know?

And then, and then it's like if you
really kind of, "Okay, what's going on

inside of me," there's this aspect of my
consciousness that's saying, "Oh, it's

okay," you know, or, "What's going on?"

And then there's this other layer
that's, like, just witnessing

everything, and it's completely silent.

And then even within the egoic
consciousness, what I found was this

layer of, of like dark energy, and
that's when I made that transformational

vid- the transformational video,
the transformational audio to remove

those binding contracts to that, that
dark, heavy energy, which is- Oh, yeah.

There was

Michael: a day, there was a day a few
days ago where I had like almost like

the whole day was entity release.

Yeah.

And it was like, "What?

I thought I was done with this."

And it's like, "Thought you were done.

Good one."

You know?

Audree: Like- Right.

And, and what those are,
those are distorted codes and

imprints of the deviation.

I mean, there's a, there's more to it
than that, but I think that, that that's

a really good way to look at it, is, is
that like if you're a programmer, which I

am not, by the way, but I, I even knew…

Oh, we talk about this.

Maybe we've, you and I have
discussed this, that when I was

looking for a partner, I knew that
I needed a computer programmer.

Michael: And then we're here looking at
what's going on, and it's like, oh, well,

you know, the, the egoic consciousness is
just operating from deviated light codes,

and we can start to actually stop the
play and look at what's happening and what

the light codes operating, creating the
experience within us are, and then do the

r- you know, the upgrade process to, to,
uh, purify, you know, and know what that

sequence is, the upgrade process sequence.

Then we have a mechanism of creation that
allows us to move beyond those limiting

structures, and it's kinda like, well,
it's kinda like, you know, just, you know?

I mean, it is like a computer metaphor.

I mean, it's very, very literal.

I mean, that's what we're doing.

We're, we're working on codes, light
codes, not program codes, light codes,

and, and they're getting changed.

Mm-hmm.

And then, and then when the light codes
change, that's the programming language

of us as creation, of all creation.

Audree: There's also a disrupt
that goes on in the, in the brain.

I don't know, uh, the n- I
call them neural pathways

'cause that's a really simple-

Michael: Mm-hmm

… Audree: simple understanding of them.

But when you, when you do the work,
there is a rewiring of the brain that

happens, and because the brain has
neuroplasticity, and it shifts and

it changes according to frequency.

So it's, there's this, there's
the rewiring that happens

When you, when you have that deep
awareness and you could see the, the, the

patterns, the behavior patterns, because
the behavior patterns do run in the brain.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: It's like you're reprogramming
your hard- your, the hardware.

Michael: Right.

Well, so that's, that's what,
what we call downstream, right?

When you change the light codes, then the
energetic structures change, and then the,

um, then the physiology changes, right?

And, and we have the subjective experience
of it as thoughts and emotions, which are

even further downstream from the actual
energetics and the physicality of it.

Audree: And so then there's this,
um, there's this misunderstanding

about enlightenment.

And I think that people are, are
assuming that enlightenment, they're

gonna pop into this enlighted s-
enlight- enlightenment, this en- can't

even say it, this enlightened state of

consciousness, and then it's,
it's done and it's over.

And what, I mean, what the she
told us was very profound too.

They said it's not gonna
happen that way anymore.

Mm.

That there's just gonna be a,
there's gonna be this, it al- I'm,

like, seeing, like, the shore.

Mm-hmm.

Like, how the, how the waves
hit the shore, hit the shore,

hit the shore, and the, and the,
and the shoreline gently erodes.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And that's, that is what is
happening right now, because the, the

people that have popped into the permanent
states- Oh … of enlightenment don't have

the training program of how consciousness
works and how reality works and the

mecha- and the mechanics of creation.

Michael: I just got it.

Go ahead.

Wanna hear it?

Audree: Yes.

Michael: So, so yeah.

So this has been part of what's been,
you know, messing me up on my journey.

I always had this vision of, you
know, one day I'm just gonna pop open,

and it'll all be done, and ta-da.

Like, you know, like, magic button.

Ta-da.

Like, the spontaneous threshold.

Ta-da.

And it's never happened that way,
and I just understood why not.

I mean, you said it, but I'll, I'm gonna
explain it the way I understand it.

So, and which is, uh, just the,
the download I just got, which is-

The universe changed
when the Deviation ended.

Which was in 2025, or that was the start
of the end of the deviation, I should say.

And so if you look, everything prior
to 2025, spontaneous awakening,

which is about 3% of the whole
journey, was there and available.

So if you think about the Buddha had a
spontaneous awakening, or other people

in, in, you know, the world, you know,
have had these spontaneous awakenings,

um, and have reached that stage, which is
about 3% of the whole journey, that was

the correct function within the deviation.

Because what those beings would do
is they'd get this boon, they'd jump

to this, this awakened state, and
that would help humanity hold the

frequency of the original intention
while we're in the deviation.

And it was this beautiful,
beautiful mechanism.

Now, those beings did not go
through a gradual process of

development, of understanding and
capability so they had self-mastery.

They, they did not do that.

And what's happened is that after
the deviation, and this is why we've

been trained for this time of the
deviation ended, going back, you know,

our whole lives even, is that this
whole program that we've been given

is for after the deviation's ended.

And it's a very, very different program.

It's not a program for during the
deviation of spontaneous awakening.

It's a program of understanding how
to move from the egoic consciousness

to heal the egoic consciousness and
to live as creator consciousness.

Now, for you to live as creator
consciousness, you need to understand how

to operate your consciousness, which is
the mechanics of creation, which means

you need a training program, which means
you need the step-by-step explanation

of how your consciousness works, and you
need to learn how to use it for yourself.

It's like you're driving a car.

You need to learn how to drive your car.

Audree: Oh my God.

I feel like this is the beginning of
Evolutionary Energetics, the book.

Michael: It could be.

Audree: It's like the intro.

Michael: It could be, yeah.

Audree: Then it makes sense.

Michael: Right.

So this is-- Well, I mean, this is--
Well, it's funny, we start working

on the book, and then suddenly we get
the information we need for the book.

Always.

Not funny at all.

Ha ha ha.

Always, right?

And so what I just got, I mean, so this is
really profound, this moment right here.

It's this understanding that the
modality of consciousness evolution

has changed permanently and that
the fundamentally, the old pattern

is no longer relevant and is not
supported by the mechanics of creation

I mean, that, I'm just f-
feeling the implications of it.

That is profound.

Audree: It is profound, and it's
necessary if you think about it.

Like, the she always s-
you're in a training program.

I have to sneeze.

Can you put me on mute?

Oh.

Michael: I think I got part of it.

Ugh.

Anyway.

Audree: That hurts my
rib- Yeah … really bad.

Mm-hmm.

Michael: You know why you were
getting the information now?

Why I'm getting the information now?

There's a very clear reason.

Audree: Why?

Michael: Because I, I, yesterday
I got to a place of 100% gratitude

with the transmission and the work.

Audree: Oh.

You know, this is not the
first time we've said this.

Michael: Said what?

Audree: What we just said.

Michael: I didn't ever really
get it before, honestly.

Audree: I know.

Sometimes you say things and
you don't get it, and I don't

understand why you don't get it.

Michael: Well, it's 'cause I didn't, I
didn't have gratitude for the work, so.

Well, it's 'cause you- It
wouldn't unlock to me … you

Audree: live on the surface.

It's part of your human design chart.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: You live on the surface.

Well- And then every once in a while
you'll drop deep and you'll go, "Oh

my God, I didn't know it was that."

Michael: Yeah.

So that's part of it, but there's also
this aspect of me that's been fading

off, which is this, um, playing small.

Yeah.

Audree: And- For both of us, I think.

Michael: Yeah.

I guess for both of- I guess this,
this is kinda like a overly large role

we're supposed to be filling here, so.

Audree: Huh.

Michael: What do, what to do?

Whatever.

Audree: Not really.

Michael: That was another one, is,
is having gratitude for the role.

Audree: Mm.

Oh.

Michael: Yeah.

I don't have a lot of gratitude.

Yeah.

So if you wanna know- With some
people … if you wanna know what

the block is, it's right there.

Audree: Don't blame it on me

Michael: I'm not worried about it.

I'm fine with it.

Enjoy.

You want fries with that?

Audree: No, I wanna get paid

Michael: How can you get paid
for doing the work if you don't,

or sort of, or feel it for, for
being in that role if you, uh…

Anyway, never mind.

Exactly.

Never mind.

Don't have gratitude for it.

Hmm.

Yeah.

Anyway, so I'm curious what's gonna
happen now, 'cause lots, so much

changed in these last two days

Yeah

Audree: I have gratitude for this house

Michael: Hmm.

Yeah,

me too.

And the property

Audree: You need to fix the
electric I know by the way.

Michael: I know.

Audree: PS.

Michael: I know.

Audree: Okay.

Michael: Hmm.

So

I have another small topic
if you wanna hear it.

Audree: Oh, yes.

Michael: Oh, so you know we've talked
about spiritual bypassing before?

Audree: I do have a lot of
gratitude for doing this with you.

This is fine.

Like, I couldn't think of a
better person to do this with.

Just saying.

So thank you.

Michael: My pleasure.

Audree: And I, I thank
Amma Bhagwan for- Mm-hmm

s- fixing us up.

Mm-hmm.

Our arranged marriage in India.

Yes.

Michael: Our arranged marriage in India

Hmm.

Audree: It was mystically arranged,
people, not really arranged.

Michael: Yeah.

Set up.

Audree: It was more like
mystically Bhagwan kept

saying, um, "Look at this guy."

Michael: Yeah.

" Audree: There's something here."

Hmm.

"There's something here."

And Bhagwan did physically,
physically give you the best

advice he could ever give.

He

Michael: did.

He just told me to love
Audrey no matter what

Audree: Aw.

That's 'cause he's my dad

He knows me.

I'm a handful

Michael: I guess it took till today
to get that love equals 100% freedom.

I mean, I've known about
that for many years

Mm-hmm

I guess it's always right there.

And it's not even a, "Oh, it's
always right there," and, "Oh, I

could've figured it out earlier."

It's like everything's happening
perfectly because nothing could happen

before, before the frequencies open,
before the planetary frequencies

open, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

So, yeah.

Mm.

All right.

Well, cheers to the journey together.

Audree: Cheers.

Michael: All right.

What

Audree: was that small little bit?

Michael: Oh, the small little
bit is, is interesting.

So we've talked about
spiritual bypassing before.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Spiritual bypassing is you
pretend everything's fine when it's not.

Audree: Right?

Or you're all light and
love, light and love.

Well, that's the

Michael: pretending, right?

Right.

Right?

But even though there's internal
disturbances inside of you,

um, there, that's, that's
type one spiritual bypassing.

Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Audree: Oh.

Michael: Oh.

You know what type two
spiritual bypassing is?

Audree: No.

Tell me.

Michael: This is a really good one.

Audree: Uh-huh.

Michael: Type two spiritual bypassing
is where you use practices, these were

perfect during the deviation, by the way,
so that's where they come from- Mm-hmm

from the deviation.

Pre-deviation times.

I

Audree: can hear you already.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

Keep going.

So, so- Yeah, this is good

… Michael: there, there's, there's
so-called spiritual practices

that are supposed to put one into
a good state, and you know what?

They work.

They work.

They work really well.

They put you into a good state,
and you feel good all day.

And when you feel good all
day, what happens is there

is zero evolution happening.

So what happens is during the deviation,
because evolution was not possible

'cause the frequencies weren't
there, people were given techniques

to put them into a good state.

And everybody just wants to feel good.

So they think, "Oh, I'll
use a spiritual practice.

It's putting me in a good state,
and it's advancing me spiritually."

So there's a truth and a lie.

The truth is it's putting
you in a good state.

The lie is it's advancing you spiritually.

What it's actually doing, it's
completely halting any evolution.

Because the evolution, as we talked
about earlier, comes from having

a negative life event, having a
negative life event, and then looking

at it to get the learning, right?

So if you're not having negative life
events 'cause everything is so great, and

you've solved it all, and everything's
perfect, and you're wonder- everything's

wonderful and roses and so amazing, you
have just said, "Ego, you run with this.

You take me on a ride.

I do not want to evolve."

And then you know what the purple
dot, the truth of you says?

It says, "Oh, look.

They're going on an adventure.

I'll just chill out here and
wait until they're ready to

come back to the journey."

That's type two spiritual
bypassing is a- It's like

Audree: type two diabetes.

Michael: It's the silent killer.

Audree: Good.

Michael: Right?

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Right.

Right, Jerry?

Well,

Michael: so, so, so what happened is
I went from why does this disturb me?

I cleared all the disturbance, and then
I was just curious about the mechanics

of it all, and then that's when I…

And I just made up the name this morning,
by the way, type two spiritual bypassing.

Audree: Wow.

Michael: Isn't that a good description?

Audree: It's a perfect description.

And

Michael: then so if we go to s- what
I was sharing earlier about how the,

the egoic consciousness doesn't want
the negative life event, it only

wants the good life events, that
is by def- That's, we can call this

the type three spiritual bypassing.

Is what?

Which is, which is, and this is
what the, this is what is the m-

the line I love from the movie
Revolver, is that the ego distracts

you with consumption and achievement.

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

" Oh, I'm gonna go on this trip.

Oh, I'm gonna go do this thing.

I'm gonna have this work achievement,"
achieve, achieve, achieve.

"I'm gonna have this relationship.

I'm gonna do this thing.

I'm gonna go to these concerts.

I'm gonna have these great dining
exper-," like, and, and the

consumption of these, you know, these
feel-goods for the ego, you know?

Okay, great.

You know, it's called enjoying life.

Why shouldn't I enjoy life?

Like, you know, people, we're, we're not
here objecting against enjoying life.

What we're saying is notice what you're
doing and why, and notice what's the

larger tapestry of what's happening.

So that's the type three consumption

Consumption, some consumption,
junction, what's your function?

I'm gonna distract the
person with consumption.

Da-da.

Like word for that, you know?

Audree: I know.

Schoolhouse Rock.

Sch- Schoolhouse

Michael: Rock.

Audree: Yeah.

So good.

I used to love Schoolhouse Rock.

Yeah.

Michael: It was so good.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: I never understood
what they were talking about.

I think it had something
to do with English.

Maybe that's why I had such a hard time.

I think it was about conjunction,
like conjunctions of words and stuff,

like- Uh-huh … but I never got it.

Audree: Conjunction, junction,
what's your function?

Michael: I think I just got that now.

That I never actually- It's a great

Audree: metaphor.

Taking…

It, it was a train, and it was taking,
like, two cars and putting them together.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

And it was like a word.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Yeah.

Like cannot, can't.

That's a conjunction, right?

I don't know.

I

Michael: don't…

See, I don't know either, see.

Audree: Never made me any smarter.

That's what I'm saying.

But it sure was fun.

Michael: You know, I mean, you
know, I finished high school, so

technically I should know what a
conjunction is, but I actually-

That's 'cause you had the- I don't

brain the size of- I thought it was
like an and … like a universe.

I thought it was like an and.

Audree: Conjunction is an and?

Yeah.

Or?

Michael: Or an or or something like that.

Audree: Oh, so it's doing a sentence.

Yeah.

It's putting a sentence together.

Putting two, two

Michael: words together or
two sentence, I don't know.

Audree: Two sentences together?

Yeah.

We don't need to

Michael: figure it out.

So it turns out you do not need
to understand grammar to advance,

uh, in your evolutionary process.

We've just proven that.

Unless you're writing

Audree: a book, and then you're screwed.

Michael: No, then you just
use tools to, to correct it.

It's fine.

Anyway.

Audree: Speaking of the book,
which I think is relevant-

possibly for this is that, so we had
the AI go through the book Evolutionary

Energetics to look at, like, where is
there massive amounts of duplication,

where is there, like, inconsistencies
in the, in the, the knowledge that

we're presenting, and there's a lot.

And you know what else I like about it?

It- it's like saying, "You know,
this is kinda harsh what you're

saying here, and people that have
been practicing Kundalini Yoga for 20

years, you might lose the reader here.

You might wanna think
about softening this."

And I was like, whoa.

Like, it's so true.

Mm-hmm.

Or, you know, you're saying this one
thing here, but then you're contradicting

yourself over here and, and, you
know, you need to clean this up.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Um, and so one of the things
it's talking about is, is that it's

probably beneficial to have a timeline.

Like, we're talking about- Oh, yeah.

That,

Michael: I saw that too.

That's beautiful … you know,

Audree: when the fifth dimension,
when we shifted into fifth dimensional

frequencies in 2024, and then the
deviation ended in 2025, and, and then

we start, you know, and, and to explain
it, 'cause we kinda like dropped-

Michael: We dropped little
truth bombs without- We dropped-

having a,

Audree: a cohesive model … right,
without an explanation or

referring back to something.

So I l- I love, I lo- that's what I said.

I love these comments.

Yeah.

That the- Let me just clarify

Michael: something.

The fourth dimensional frequency
was in 2012, and f- fifth

dimensional frequency was 2024.

Yes.

I think you, I think you said
fourth, or I heard fourth, but-

Audree: No, I said fifth.

Michael: Okay, got it.

Audree: Yeah.

And, and what is, so what I'm getting at
is that, um, having a timeline and putting

in the 2012 thing is really important.

Yeah.

What I'm getting at here is that-

The evolution of humanity
looks like a clock.

And we have been evolving
this whole entire time.

So it's not like all of a sudden
we're, the deviation ended

and so now, you know, it's…

Or, you know, or we, you know, we,
we dropped into the fifth dimensional

frequency, so now we can do the,
you know, now we're evolving.

We have been evolving
the whole entire time.

And I think that, that part of what,
what we're talking about here is

that evolution is a process, and it's
supported by vibrational frequency.

So you can see these shifts over time
within the, the history of humanity.

There's something that's happening
right now in the, in the planets.

It's like Pluto is shifting into
Aquarius, and the Aquarian age is right

now, is right now in 2026 starting.

That- It started,

Michael: yeah.

Audree: Yeah.

That, and what's really-
There's a date for that

interesting, 'cause I saw this yesterday,
is that the last time that Pluto moved

into a new sign, there was the American
Revolution, the French Revolution,

and the Industrial Revolution, all
at the, all started at the same time.

And so again, now we're looking 200
and something years later, or almost

300 years later, Pluto is moving
into a new sign, which is Aquarius.

And so it's like you can see, when
you start to see over, a, like, the

tapestry of history, you can see
there's this, these planetary shifts

that, um, that also create an alignment
energetically in the solar system.

You can see that there's,
there's an energetic alignment

in consciousness that's happening

That, you know, the, the clock of time,
the cycles that we go through, um, which

are the Yuga cycles that start at the
top, at 12 o'clock is the Yuga cycle,

at 6 o'clock is the, um, is the Kali
Yuga, and we go through these, you know,

25,000-year cycles, um, that are, that
are energy related, that are plant…

You know, the planets are
moving us energetically.

The u- there's, there's, like, all
these things that are happening that

are, that are part of the evolution
that is happening for humanity.

Mm.

Michael: Well, you know
what's coming up for me?

What?

It's that line from that, that video.

It's getting jiggy in the
Whole Foods parking lot.

Audree: It's getting jiggy in
the Whole Foods parking lot.

Michael: Yeah, so what,
like, when I, when I…

So what I, what I feel is, like, there's
an important aspect of creation that's

really, really, really, like, prominent
right now in what I'm m- I'm seeing

and experiencing and, and I, I…

That's happening right now, is that
when I think about the Yuga Cycle,

it's like, oh, we got 24,000 years.

D- everything will happen gradually.

Fine, da, da, da, da.

It's,

Audree: like, really, like, 26,000.

Yeah.

Well,

Michael: whatever the…

I don't, I don't care for the number.

Yeah.

Anyway.

I…

Tens of thousands of years, right?

Mm-hmm.

And then I'm looking at what's going
on right now, and I'm looking at,

like, this key dates file I'm keeping
of all these profound shift in the

energetics governing what's happening.

Mm-hmm.

And it's, it's like, holy,
holy shitski, Batman.

It's like, it's like, just
let me, let me finish.

It's like, holy shitski, Batman.

We are in a time of exponential change.

It's not that the, you know…

It's not that we're going at a
velocity, and we've been going at a

velocity, and the velocity is constant.

It's that right now there's this
exponential ramp-up in whatever's going

down now that is incredibly powerful,
incredibly rapid, and accelerating.

Audree: Wait.

Michael: Accelerating
exponential change right now.

What happens

Audree: when you have,
when a car goes up a hill?

What do you have to do?

Michael: You have to hit the engine.

Audree: You have to accelerate.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: So we're going up on the
clock t- towards the Yuga Cycle again.

So, and we're moving out of, like,
really, really profound darkness,

so we have to rev up the engines.

Michael: Yeah, I got a better metaphor.

Audree: Wait, I, I also wanted
to add, um, that Uranus has

been shifting its polarity.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: So … And w- we have
this information, but we're

not scientists, so we can't

We have no way to see
if this is true or not.

Mm-hmm.

Like, we have no scientific
validation or- Or measurement

tools … or measurement tools.

Michael: This is mystically.

Just mystically.

Just.

Audree: But … No.

Well, so the polarity of Uranus in the
solar system, the North Pole … Is

it the North Pole faces the sun?

I don't wanna go- It's, like, on
its side- I don't wanna go there.

Stay on topic, will you?

… or something.

I know, but … So, and, and then
mystically we were seeing how it's coming

back to be, um, in a, in a vertical axis.

So it's been in a horizontal axis,
and now it's moving back to a vertical

axis, which all the planets … I
think that's why astrology has been so

profound, is that all of the planets
energetically have impact on Earth- Mm-hmm

and to us earthlings.

Michael: Yeah, 'cause all the neutrinos
fly through them from- Yes … the

rest of the universe and so on.

Audree: So if Uranus, the planet, is
coming back into alignment in a, in

a vertical axis, that's gonna also
determine some big, huge changes.

Mm-hmm.

Michael: Yeah.

So, so I think the, the, the, the better
metaphor is more about a rocket ship.

Right?

The people who aren't doing the work,
they're the rocket ships on the ground.

The people who are doing some
work, the rocket ship's starting to

take off, but we need to actually
accelerate the rocket to go faster

and faster to reach escape velocity.

Mm-hmm.

Ooh.

Right?

Escape velocity.

So it means you don't just accelerate.

You don't just have a growth
moment, or you, you do this.

It's you keep on accelerating,
and I think that's what-

' Audree: Cause you have
to have the breakthrough-

Michael: Exactly.

So the thing is- … break on through
to the other side … if you think

about w- keep on accelerating, it means
you keep your foot on the gas until

you get to the breakthrough, right?

Until you reach breakthrough velocity.

And if we go back to the earlier
story about, "Oh, well, I'm just

gonna enjoy life," that's like, "Oh,
I'm gonna take my foot off the gas."

Okay.

Well, that's fine.

Then you'll enjoy the, that, that
frequency that you're operating at.

Like it's- Well, I

Audree: just wanna say one thing, 'cause
you're not a person who enjoys life.

I would, I would say that.

Michael: I do enjoy life.

It's just very different from other-

Audree: I think you ha- … other
people's definition … you totally have

to have moments where you just enjoy
life and you take, not take a break,

'cause you could still be having that
beautiful dining experience and still,

and still be in your evolutionary journey.

Michael: Well, I think what we wanna…

I mean, the whole escape velocity
is you get, you're enjoying

life at every single moment.

Like, I'm just looking around at
how extraordinary creation is.

Mm-hmm.

And it's just like, wow.

So key point, a time of acceleration
and, you know, the, the frequencies

are going, like the, the energetic
tapestry we're living in is going and-

Audree: Even the Schumann resonance is
ra- it's, it's, it's raising right now.

Mm.

It's shifting its frequency to
a higher vibrational frequency.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Audree: Like, it's, it's like,
I, I know the, the, um, the AI

was like, "Well, h- how can you,
how, how can you make this claim?"

I forgot which claim it was, but
I was just like, well, oh, it's-

Michael: Megalithic Year?

Audree: It's talking about solar maximum.

Mm-hmm.

And there's actually- Mm-hmm … been
two cycles of solar maximum

in the past 11 years, not one.

And it said you need to go
back and you need to verify

scientifically solar flares.

And I'm just…

I'm looking now is what it's not noticing
is that solar flares currently, and

this is May 2026, for the past like
three months, the sun has been doing

things that they've never seen before.

And that is like massive corona, you know,
not like these little tiny spots on the

sun that would produce a solar flare.

They're seeing like the whole entire
sun is now like one giant corona.

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

And it's shooting these, these,
these solar flares that they've

never- Yeah … experienced before.

So there's things that are going on
if you look at like cosmic weather,

to start to see that the solar system
is behaving in unusual ways or ways

they've never detected, or maybe
they've never had the, the scientific

equipment to see any of this.

So they don't, they don't really know.

I know you're pointing at the clock.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Anyways, you know, I think
the thing is, is that Michael gets

upset 'cause he's a scientist.

Michael: Well- And

Audree: I don't really
care about science so much.

I have a comment about the

Michael: whole science thing, but-

Audree: Yeah … that's
a whole other thing.

Well, why don't you make the comment?

So

Michael: number one Is that our
book is not trying to use science

to help anybody with anything.

Yeah.

So we don't, we don't even
really care about proving it and

connecting it to data and th- that's
completely irrelevant, don't care.

We can throw it in as a fun
fact maybe in the book, but like

beyond that, there's no point.

The other thing I realized doing, this
is when I, from my work in the lab, and

from something that came up on a call
with students recently, is that, oh,

if we just had all the research on the
physiological data, which I have a lot

of it right now, of what is actually
happening during this evolutionary

shift of, of this process using the
tools, people would be like, "Oh, oh,

that's why I need to do the tool."

And it's like, y- you know, versus people
telling people Get Clear is the mechanism

that will take you on the journey.

I mean, like, a- and, and like when
we have the data to show it, and it's

there and it's published in a scientific
journal, and that's data, but no one's

gonna read the scientific journal.

They're gonna read the popularized
version of it that reports on the

scientific journal, and they'll say,
"Oh, this is how things work," right?

And, and I go, wow, that's really
gonna help people, including our

students, because there's such a
deep allegiance- To- … to science.

Mm-hmm.

And so that's where, you know,
this whole, um, detailed plan

I have for sc- Which is very-

science revolution is, is very much needed
and- But it- … timely … and it's also

Audree: really unfortunate because
science itself has been taking people away

from their own experiential validation.

Michael: Oh, you wanna hear- Because

Audree: people are so, they pledge
their allegiance to whatever the doctor

says, whatever the scientist says.

And, and I mean, I know from my
own experience- Mm-hmm … that the

scientific community actually, I'm not
gonna get into conspiracy theories,

I'll just mention the conspiracy
theories, a lot of them are true.

Science holds back on information.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: They hold back on information
because they deemed it unsafe for

humanity to know certain things- Yeah

or whatever.

I'm, I'm starting to get
a, um, a charge here.

But- We have been, instead of believing
our own and trusting our own bodies,

trusting our own individual intelligence-

Michael: Mm-hmm

… Audree: we've been pulled away to
believe something totally different.

Michael: Right.

So where I'm going is the yes and camp.

Mm-hmm.

So, so- I

Audree: understand

so 'cause, 'cause- It's a nec- it's, it's
a necessary- Right … evil, basically.

It's

Michael: not even an evil.

So, so actually what I see is a liberation
of science, and I have the detailed

step-by-step plan of how to achieve that.

It's just gonna take some time.

So, um, but I think f- I think the core
idea here is, uh, it's interesting.

One of our students, I was talking to
him a bit about this stuff 'cause we

might wanna pull him in into some of
this, but, um, he sent me this article

of this people talking about chi, and,
you know, it's the new paradigm to

understand data, and da, da, da, da, da.

And I'm looking at it
going like, "You know what?

This is fascinating, interesting,
not totally correct," but…

And I'm looking at it going like,
"This is why people in the kind of

spiritual community who are trying
to weave it into science are because

they're not doing the work of science."

The work of science is,
"This is my hypothesis.

Here's the data.

Here's how the data
proves the hypothesis."

They're not coming up with these
big, convoluted, complex models

that are based on their version of
understanding the mechanics of creation.

If your model of the mechanics
of creation- Wait, you said

Audree: they're not
doing that They're not.

Michael: If your model of the mechanics
of creation is correct, you can get

the data and see it in the data.

And you know what I've discovered?

You don't even n- need
to run new research.

You can see that those models, this is
what I've done already, you see those

models in the existing research where
people had miscorrect interpretations.

And so if you're really evolved, you
can actually look and, and move science

out of those limiting paradigms step
by step by step, and that's what's

needed, and that's what's on my plan.

And so it's like, it's like this is what's
needed to ch- not throw science out, not

judge science, but reform science from
within using the mechanisms of science

to rehabilitate science step by step.

Audree: That's beautiful.

Michael: Anyway, so-

Audree: That's your life purpose?

Michael: That's a part of it, yes.

Audree: Hmm.

Michael: All right.

So, uh, do three minutes?

Audree: Yes, let me
put my coffee cup down.

Michael: Okay, we'll take three minutes
for the two mantra transmission.

Just take a moment to just
tune into the frequency and

allow everything to just digest

Thank you for joining us.

Let's be evolutionary