B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Michael: Welcome to our living room

Audree: Just letting you know, I
wanna add what you just recorded, I

wanna add into this podcast, 'cause
it's really profound and powerful

Michael: Kinda like you're neither
here nor there about that, but

Audree: Oh, I am.

Michael: Okay.

Very good.

Audree: Okay.

Michael: And so it shall be.

Audree: Disclosure day.

Hot topic.

Disclosure

What to say?

There's a couple things about
disclosure that I wanted to talk about.

One is there's so much scientific
evidence of extraterres- terrestrial

races that have been on this planet
that it's kind of like a moot

point to even say that there's no
extraterrestrial influence on this planet

Michael: So just to, just
to clarify that point.

Yeah.

That the data's there and has been
coherently and systematically ignored

by mainstream science because it
doesn't fit with the desired narrative.

But all these unexplained phenomenons
are out there, and, you know, if you

watch, you know, one of these, these…

One of these shows, like, what is it, like
Ancient Aliens or whatever it's called.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

You know, they'll, they'll walk you
through the data that science and

archeology is choosing to ignore because
it doesn't fit their desired narrative.

So it's not that the truth is not there
around us, it's that we are caught up in

a web of self-deception where that truth
is not accepted, especially in the West.

You know, if you go to someplace like
India, you know, you know, you know, my,

you know, someone like my dad who grew up
in rural India, he's like, "Yeah, well,

of course there were ancient civilizations
before us that had advanced technology

and, you know, all sorts of things."

And you know, like
there's, there's no- It's

Audree: in the Vedas.

Michael: Yeah.

There's no, there's no
problem with that, right?

It's only in this kind of Western
perspective that has a grip on the world,

uh, in the name of science, uh, w- which
is under, under this complete lockdown

of, of the truth that's kind of emerging
around us that we're not ready to accept.

Audree: Well, it, to the point where
there's forbidden archeology, there's

hidden science, there's a whole fraction
of scientists that are going and, and,

and doing archeology and digging up
artifacts and, and, and, and f- and

finding, you know, evidence of ancient
technologies that are far beyond what

our known history of humanity in this
planet has, has, has talked about.

Right.

Michael: The narrative.

And actually, that ties in with,
um, religious beliefs, right?

Yes.

Like if you believe, let's say,
you know, so you're a Christian and

you s- believe the Bible literally,
like God created, like a, an all

supreme God created man, right?

Um, and you know, a- and so on.

Like there's this- Oh, the

Audree: narrative is that the dinosaurs
existed 6,000 years ago when there's

scientific evidence on the contrary.

Well, so

Michael: I, I don't…

But I, we just wanna go into, like,
there are these pervasive belief systems

in science, in religion, which keep
people confined in this thing where in

discussing that there's extraterrestrials
that have been interacting with planet

Earth, you know, on planet Earth is, is
like, "Oh my God, they're aliens," right?

It's like, like this whole kind
of, you know, not of like, "Oh,

there's a rock in the garden."

It's not like, "Oh yeah, of
course there's a rock in the

garden," or of course, you know-

Audree: I mean, if you go back to the
Sumerians, they talk about, they talk

about, uh, beings of, of h- having
different abilities that were their gods.

If you go to Hawaii, the Hawaiians
say that their, the, the beings

that started the race of Hawaiians,
you know, came from the sky.

If you go to Japan, what's
the, what's the religion?

Shinto?

Mm-hmm.

Where th- there was a race of beings
that came from the sky that lived on

a certain island and, and seeded what
is now known as the Japanese people.

Like- Right, and that was

Michael: actually the
first emperor, right?

Or something like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He was

Audree: a descendant of
those- Yeah … beings.

So-

You know, then you look at pyramids, you
look at other, um, ancient, uh, uh, you

know, sites where they can't figure out
the technology that was, you know, to

build these- Right, like there are these

Michael: massive stone blocks in one
place and around, you know, somewhere

in the, kind of the Middle East area.

In

Audree: Peru.

Yeah.

They're the, they find- Like
it's- … the same kind of

architecture in the Middle East.

They s- I mean, you know, we
could go on and on and on.

Um, you know.

Like my kids went to a religious
day school, and then they would

come home, and we'd watch Ancient
Aliens, and they're like, "Mom, we

just talked about that in the Bible."

And I said, "Well, watch this different
perspective on the same story."

You know, where they're saying, you know,
like Moses went to Mount Sinai, and they

explained, you know, that the clouds
gathered, and there … It seemed like

fire and lights were coming from the
sky, and the, the, the atmosphere, the

phenomenon of the atmosphere changed.

And, and then in Ancient Aliens,
they explain the technology of,

uh, of the physics of a spaceship
coming down that- Creates the same

type of atmosphere in the sky.

And they're not saying this is,
it's not this, it's this, but

they're just showing it a different
perspective what if it were true.

Mm-hmm.

And I think that, you know, what if
it were true is kind of the whole

tagline of, of our, of our work.

And so getting to disclosure, you
know, it's obvious that intuitively

humans believe that there's something
going on on this planet, that, that

they're living against the very
nature of their being, and that it

seems like we're being oppressed.

It seems like the way we're living on the
planet is causing a lot of destruction

to nature itself and to humanity.

And it's like even kids nowadays,
it's like, why would I sit in a

school that feels like incarceration?

Like, this doesn't feel right to me.

It's like the feels are your
intuition, your spidey senses

saying, "Something's off."

And what do you mean I go to school,
I go to school, and then I get a job

where I sit at a desk, and I push paper,
and I work for, you know, the powers

that be almost like a slave, you know?

And there's like a, a certain mass
amount of wealth on the planet that's

saved for a certain amount of people,
and the rest of civilization is kind of

like these worker bees and, you know,
or ants working, you know, for what?

You know, to buy a
house, to pay your bills.

Food's expensive.

We don't grow our own food anymore.

It's like we've, we, we've lost
our innate ability to, to care

for ourselves, and we're in this
survival-based society, and everything

is fear, fear, fear, fear, fear.

So it's like this lower vibrational
frequency is, like, radiating

throughout the planet, throughout
humanity, and we're not free.

So wanting God to save us, wanting some
extraterrestrial race to come down and

save us feels like a way out, like this
fantasy of somebody's gonna come and

save us at one point in time And it

Michael: will solve our problems

Audree: And it'll solve our problems.

And even in that narrative, we're
still giving our power away.

Michael: Well, we're, but it's
also a self-deception, right?

Mm-hmm.

Oh, well, like, you know, think about it.

Like, think of all the different
times you experience pain

and suffering during the day.

Like, you know, fear of an
interaction, fear of this, you

know, fear of this outcome.

That's not gonna go away.

Like, there's no, you know?

And that's what the, you
know, that's the research is.

You, you win $10 million, and your life,
y- you're happier for, like, a few months,

and then you go back to your normal
set point because it is your internal

state that's governing your reality.

That's what's governing your reality,
not anything external to you.

So when we understand that,
it's like, yeah, of course.

Of course there's no way that,
you know, aliens coming and

changing how things work.

That's why there are all these novels.

Think about it, folks.

You've read these novels, you've
watched these movies of these dystopian

societies, you know, where everything's
perfect, but in the perfection,

there's misery and suffering, and
it's not really perfect, right?

It's just a, it's just a veneer
that's covering over what's actually

there, and, and there, there's
book after book- Or maybe that's

Audree: brainwashing to-
Book, book after book,

Michael: movie after
movie … to not sort of- Right?

Which, which, which ex- which
goes through this, this idea.

And what those, those books are
establishing is that the, the, the

challenge is within us, and it's
not that the external world…

While it can help, you know, guide us and
move us in a healthier direction, the, the

ultimate thing that we need to resolve is
the, the challenge within our own being

And so, so disclosure, to, to, to kind
of clarify what we're saying here,

disclosure, disclosure is disclosure
about the truth of what and who you

are so you, you can have closure on
the cycle of pain and suffering that

humanity and you have been in for
thousands and thousands of years.

That's what the closure is.

Audree: That's real disclosure.

Real disclosure.

Not, not the distraction
of extraterrestrial beings.

Michael: Right.

Which

Audree: would shift your perspective
that there's something else going on.

It's helpful, but it's
not true disclosure.

Right.

Michael: So what do you do?

I think this is where the, what the Shi
were talking to us a few, few days ago.

What do you do when the so-called
external reality, everything you believe

about what science is, about what-

Audree: Religion

… Michael: religion is,
about, you know- Your

Audree: government

… Michael: man's role in the universe,
not being alone, and, you know,

having, you know, aliens, you know,
guiding and, and shaping what's

happening with humanity- Or h-

behind the scenes?

Like, what happens when
you find all that out?

Wait,

Audree: even gnos- even Gnostics
have in their cosmology of their

religion that extraterrestrial
beings seeded human, created humans.

That's their cosmology.

Folks- Mm … there has been the
talk of extraterrestrial races

influencing or creating or impacting
humanity this whole entire time.

Michael: Right.

Well, or you could have a different
explanation of how ancient societies

had gods, like real gods, like,
you know, like god-rulers, right?

Right.

You know, like- They

Audree: weren't mytholo- mythological
beings Right They were actually

physical, physical beings on the planet.

Michael: Right.

So that's why, you know, if you look at
things, that's why there are all these

stories of the gods, because there were
the gods, like little G gods, of, you

know, you know, very powerful beings.

Audree: They seemed like gods because
they were- Yeah, they would seem like,

Michael: you know, to, like
primitive man, like, like a god

because of their capabilities.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

They had technology that was greater than.

Michael: Right.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Just like even you would seem
like, you know, some, some science

fiction being if you were dealing
with somebody from, you know, 50

years ago, where suddenly you can,
you know, have something in your ear

and drive a car and navigate for some
unknown route using your GPS system.

I mean, it's like superior
technology that looks like magic.

Mm-hmm.

Right?

I think there's a quote
around that, you know?

Anyway, so disclosure It's very

Audree: exciting

Michael: So, you know, you know
what this all reminds me of?

We were watching the movie, uh, like the,
the movie Arrival, and normally we watch

the John Mark Stroud's Waking Up to the
Movies edition, but this time we actually

just watched the full original version

Audree: Uninterrupted- Uninterrupted

by spiritual commentary.

Michael: Yes.

Thank God.

And so

There's something that came to me, I
think this is like two days after we

watched it, which is there's this,
this question written on the whiteboard

that's like the prominent question.

What…

Which is the question they
wanna ask the aliens, right?

This is the, kind of the mission.

What is your purpose for being on Earth?

I'll repeat the question and
you can ask it to yourself.

What is your purpose for being on Earth?

'Cause the question, while it's about
the aliens, it's actually a question

that's posed towards the watcher of
the movie, towards you, towards me.

What is your purpose?

for being here on Earth?

That's what disclosure is.

It's answering that question

is answering that question.

And there's a lot of very detailed,
complex aspects of creation to kind of

explain it, you know, 'cause we're can
explain it in deeper and deeper levels.

But if I had to summarize all of it

as one and a half things,
'cause it's, it's really two

things, but it's one thing.

It's for you to live your
incarnational purpose

But there's a catch to it

Like when I say your incarnational
purpose, I mean, you know, what your,

your human design expresses you to be
as and, and your, your function and

flow in this creation that's the kind
of the, the highest potential that

you're designed for but there's a catch
to it, which is this is that only when

you realize the full truth of what and
who you are as source consciousness

Then you can f- fulfill
that incarnational design.

It's not possible until then.

Until then, it's this limited
aspect of you choosing to be sep- in

separation, choosing to be in fear,
attempting to fulfill the design or

fulfilling the design as best you can.

Audree: So what's your purpose?

Michael: Well, first of all, I like to
not take this, this whole thing seriously,

so I like to call it life porpoise.

Like, you know, porpoise like the
s- you know, small fuzzy animal.

But-

Audree: Why would you not
wanna take it serious?

I think, I think it's a- It's
the most serious thing that

you could actually ever do.

Michael: Yeah.

You know, I'm, I'm just
looking at that now.

It's really interesting.

I think it's a deflection strategy-

Audree: Mm-hmm

Michael: for, for not, for
avoiding the truth really.

Yeah.

Audree: Oh, good one.

Michael: Yeah, yeah.

So, so my life purpose

Well, it's interesting.

If we look at my Incarnation Cross

And we look at the channel of
community and we look at the line.

The line I have is, is leadership
by example and organization.

Those are the two kind of line
aspects of, of the two gates in

the, the channel of community.

So

The understanding is that the organization
is the Earth, is humanity and it's leading

by example so that's one aspect of it
but if we look at the, the moon and the,

the values, it's, it's creating a new
a new value system like it's the gate

of beginning, so creating something new
and the other gate is the cauldron, the

gate of values, is the creating a value
system for the tribe humanity to function.

And then the final aspect of the
other half of my incarnation cross

is the, the, the specific skills
and self-mastery and step-by-step.

The journey of a thousand miles
begins with a single step.

So it's the baby step, baby
step development of skills

to harness leading by example for the,
for the, the whole collective to establish

to establish a new system of values

The beginnings of it.

So it's not the, the f- the completion
of it, it's the beginnings of it.

It's the foundation.

It's the, the starting
of a, of an evolutionary

trajectory based on awareness.

That's what our, the, the, the
cauldron of the values are all

around the awareness of the, of the,
uh, the human being, of the tribe.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

And what has our work evolved into?

Michael: Well, our work is exactly that.

Yeah.

It's never of anything different.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Michael: And, you know, for me it
all started with this, you know,

how can I help, you know, of course
filled with, you know, judgment and no

compassion at the time, but how can I
help the fools in this organization?

Oh, well, the limit is always the leader.

How can I help the leader?

Well, the limit is me.

I'm the limit

and the limit

And then doing something about it.

So it's, it's been the same the
whole time It's just matured,

evolved extended in expression

Audree: I keep coming back
to my thesis and, and the

You know, how, how does one become
resilient and rise up from the

ashes, rise from their oppressive,
you know, traumatic environment?

And it's, and it's the, the theory or the

Michael: Practical observation Pr-

Audree: the observation that that
being has a moment, at least one moment

of unconditional love so powerful

That it, the trajectory is, is harnessed
and that being can rise from all trauma

into the truth of what and who they are

And I, and I see those moments of, or I,
you know, even for me experiencing those

moments, those mystical- Hmm … moments
of oneness, you know, where you have that,

that the veil is lifted, and you have
that connection of unconditional love.

Or you have the teacher or the guru
that gives you unconditional love.

Or, you know, you sit in a room
where s- a being is being channeled,

and you have the tran- the
transmission of unconditional love.

It, it's like almost like
the, this like non-human

you know, transmission of a vibration
that is needed to, that spark

That propels you forward.

You know, the she talked about that.

But what?

Michael: Oh, I'm laughing 'cause, 'cause
that's actually what you're here for

Audree: Mm-hmm

Michael: I'm the structure, you're
the energy Mm-hmm … yin-yang.

And so-

Like all- While I'm the holder of
the structures, you know, if we

look at it from a, from a, a role
perspective, Audrey's the holder

of the, the, the transmission,
the, the ignition, the, the spark.

That's what your role is, and that's why
when it y- when we try to look at, like,

um, kind of a very 3D material thing,
it's like your role doesn't make any

sense because it's beyond that, right?

Audree: Right.

Projectors don't work in the
sense of the 3D traditional role.

Well, if you- We work
in a very different way.

We hold the vibration.

If you

Michael: think about a projector, they,
they shine the light of awareness-

Mm-hmm … in a way that penetrates,
that allows an opening to happen.

Yes

And that it just re, I
just saw this right now.

I'd never seen this before, but the
vibration of the frequency of the

projector is the limiting factor.

So we have, you know, we, some
projectors we love and love

dearly that we know very well.

Oh, sure, blame

Audree: it on me.

Michael: I'm not blaming it on you.

Good one.

What are you talking about?

You just did.

I'm not blaming anything on you.

And that when…

It's always about you, isn't it?

Yes.

I, so, I'm not, I…

Okay, so, so, so I'm thinking about, well,
oh, well, I mean, what if it were true

that the effectiveness of a projector
was fully limited by the vibrational

frequency, which is actually the, the
general statement we have for everyone,

which is the, your effectiveness is
limited by your vibrational frequency.

Mm-hmm.

But what I was seeing in this moment was
it's the frequency which the projector

is penetrating with, and I've seen this
with you, whereas when you're in a high

frequency, like, the things that you're
sharing, they just go in, and then there's

this sort of gentle explosion and opening.

And where that freq- where
there f- has been a frequency

drop, then it's like, kkh.

It's like, kkh.

It's like this, this, this, this thing.

And so it's almost like, well, you
know, p- projectors can have this

beautiful mechanism to say, "If
what you're saying doesn't land,

you know it's your frequency."

It's very, very simple.

It's a very simple feedback
mechanism that I don't think we've

ever fully harnessed before, right?

On both sides, though.

Whereas projectors might, might
perceive as it's resistance.

And then for, for me as a generator, if
I'm experiencing resistance to something

that someone's saying, it's like,
well, what is, where is my frequency?

'Cause if I'm high frequency,
anyone can say anything to me.

Right.

And so it's, it's, uh, the, the
resistance, perceived resistance

in another or the resistance in
our own being, is the signal.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Anyway.

Yes.

Michael: That was my, my insight-
Mm-hmm … for the moment.

Audree: Well, so I had a dream about
you when I was four years old, and that

dream showed me and told me the whole
entire thing about my life, period.

So obviously it's, we're here
doing something together.

Like, what do I…

I have the right angle
cross of explanation too

And they, in that dream,
told me about my son.

It told me about pain and suffering, that
I'd have a life of pain and suffering,

and then I would come out of it.

Showed me you as a big part of that

Michael: What?

Well, so I think this is where
we, we've been mixed up, right?

So the, the explanation, it's that you're
coded for an energetic explanation,

not for a kind of 3D world, right?

That's not your primary.

Like, you can do that, but that's
not your- Mm-mm … your function.

Your, your…

It's like, you know, your language,
your primary language is energy.

Oh.

Of course, the gates are
agnostic of your type.

So if you have that that structure those
gates, those channels as a generator, it

means something different than if you have
those gates, those channels as a projector

Huh, interesting it's not that those
gates change, it's that the, the,

the s-the contextual semantics around
them and the context in which they

operate in is completely different

Right?

So pro-projector's primary power of
explanation is energetic and not the words

Because what they're doing
is they're illuminating.

They're illuminating awareness

Fascinating

Audree: Only for people with
eyes to see and ears to hear

Michael: So if you look at that as a
projector's here to illuminate awareness

And you've got the right angle across the
like, you're, you're here to kind of ex-

like that's the intersection right there

Fun fact.

I thought we were
talking about disclosure.

Oh, well.

That's how, that's how things go.

Everything's connected to everything else

You know, this idea of putting
things in boxes is the egoic

consciousness, is the limitation.

Audree: We are talking about disclosure.

In fact, this whole entire
podcast, every single podcast that

we've done so far is disclosure

It's just that people have been
looking in the wrong direction

Michael: Well, this is the trick
of the ego consciousness, right?

To have us look outside instead of inside

Audree: Right.

Distraction, dissipation.

Giving your power away.

Mm-hmm.

So you can't look inside and identify
the very aspect of your being that's

holding an allegiance to the deviation

so it can continue the destruction

Like for me, I've been examining

Like why the resistance?

Why the self-hatred?

Why the damage?

Just why?

Why would you wanna create a world where
everyone's against you and you're alone

and you have to survive?

And it doesn't feel good

Why would you want to create a world where
you're destroying your physical body?

Or you're in, you know, physical pain
or emotional pain, psychological pain

It's like turning inward and asking
yourself, what is your purpose in

this incarnation, in this body?

What is your purpose?

And we're just taught to be in fear

It's like we're brainwashed

Michael: I agree with you
except for the word like

Audree: We're brainwashed

Michael: We're conditioned

Audree: We're conditioned We're

Michael: imprinted with patterns

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: That's why, uh, I think, you
know, the greatest tragedy on earth

today is a newborn baby in some ways.

Because they're gonna get imprinted
with all the low frequencies of

society, of the parents, of all the
people in the, the system looking

after them and caring for them.

Audree: Right.

It's h- horrific watching
somebody raise a child.

It is absolutely horrific watching someone
parenting today Yeah It's just like

Michael: And, you know, just to be
clear here, you know, it's a well,

well-established conversation of, with
my, my, my now adult ch- kids of like,

"I'm so sorry, and please forgive me.

I knew not what I did."

Audree: That's why
Montessori is such a great

But even there

Michael: Baby step in the right direction

Audree: Baby step in the right direction
because it's, it's still governed

by an adult that is, you know, in
a fear-based, you know, condition

patterning of mainstream society.

So it's

Michael: just- We're, we're kind of
back to the put the oxygen mask on

yourself first Yeah And, uh, really
anyone who's not living that is-

is pledging their allegiance to deviation,
pledging their allegiance to separation,

pledging their allegiance to pain and
suffering pledging their allegiance

to lack and limitation and survival

Audree: You know, that's why the, uh,
if you look at the story of, like,

Moses and the slaves, the freed slaves
in the desert, they had to walk around

for 40 years before they could go
to the Promised Land because- Mm-hmm

you know, basically it, it was
like they were trying to get all

the slaves to die off s- because
that mentality is so imprinted.

The imprisonment in your own consciousness
is so, you know, those grooves are so

well formed and held that it's very
hard to break free from that, you know,

your own imprisonment, your own mindset.

Even going from traditional ways of
doing business to evolutionary ways

of doing business, you know, we see it
over and over again with the leadership.

You know, how do you get your people
to, to do something, to deliver on

a project or deliver the demands of
the, the goals of the organization

without command and control?

The leaders would be like, "What do you
mean there's no command and control?"

You know, "What do you mean
you let go of all, you know,

command and control and agenda?

How, how does that even work?"

And it's, like, so counterintuitive.

You know, the ways, the true ways of, of
manifesting and, and, like, the making

things happen, even in that saying,
making things happen, or achieving

a goal, or delivering on a project,
you know, it's like it has an energy

behind it of command and control.

So

you know, that intuitive structures
or the way we, we process how to

create in this world are no longer

you know, viable

disclosure

I think the disclosure that's happening
right now on the planet is a necessity.

We need to know the truth

And at the same time, it's
such a huge distraction.

It's like the paradox.

Like we live in such a, a profound paradox

Hmm.

It's very exciting.

Michael: It sure is.

Audree: You know, 'cause you can either
rise like cream to the top and, and

take the opportunity for your own
evolution, to take the perspective

Or you can, it'll, it'll sink you even
deeper into a hole of paranoia, of

anger and frustration and hopelessness.

It will do one or the other.

There's, it, there is no
middle ground anymore.

Mm.

Unless you just go unconscious.

And if you go unconscious- That,

Michael: that is not the middle ground.

That's, that's the
sinking down You'll just

Audree: be sinking down.

Yeah.

Everything happens for a reason, right?

I watched an interview with Steven
Spielberg, and he says, "Hey, I

wrote the story, me and another guy.

We don't know anything.

Like, we're not, we don't,
we're not holding some secret-"

Knowledge … knowledge.

Michael: We're science fiction writers.

Audree: Right.

And it, it, it, I mean, technically
he's been writing these kinds

of stories for a long time.

He goes, "It just so happens that we
wrote this story, and now the government

is releasing all this, you know-"

all these, you know, sealed documents

And the government's releasing the sealed
documents because the war and the Epstein

shit and all this stuff, you know?

It's like, "Oh, look over here.

We're g- we're gonna, we're gonna
release this big story over here."

We're, we're gonna release

Michael: the, these sealed documents
about aliens rather than what actually

happened with Jeffrey Epstein, right?

Right,

Audree: or what's hap- what's really
happening with the, you know, the

war- Yeah … and, and, and, and.

Or, you know, the billions of
dollars I'm making on cryptocurrency

and screwing everybody else over.

Right.

Like, you know.

Yeah

Even in the movie Childhood's End

You know, the, the extraterrestrials
came down and brought peace and

harmony And prosperity … prosperity.

Nobody had to work

unless they wanted to.

There was no disease,
there was no violence.

They ended all of it.

But only f- so that new children
could be born completely out of

the oppressed, enslaved mentality

And then they took those children
and started a new planet somewhere

I mean, you know, technically
maybe we do need some, you know,

benevolent extraterrestrial race to
come down and stop all the nonsense.

That would be helpful.

It would be helpful because apparently
we can't do it for ourselves.

Michael: Wow.

Audree: Unfortunately

Michael: So the mechanics
don't support that

Audree: Well, even, you
know, it's- The mechanics

Michael: just don't support that
because the, the structure of it

Audree: Well, B- Bhagwan used to
say, you know, when people have all

their, their needs met and they're
not in survival mode, then they

go- they can go inward much easier.

They could … They can actually start
to, to ask those, um, existential, am

I saying that correctly, questions.

You know, why am I here?

Who am I?

But when we're fighting, you
know, to survive, we don't have

time to ask those questions.

Michael: Well, while that's true

While that's true, if we think
about what motivates people-

Audree: Mm-hmm

… Michael: what, what's the most
powerful motivation for people?

Audree: Survival.

Michael: Yeah, pain and suffering.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: So-

Audree: Relieve me from my
pain and suffering … Yes.

Yeah.

Michael: So, so because that is the
structure of the ego consciousness that

we're operating in, that is the structure
through which liberation can be found.

Mm-hmm.

Only that.

So for people, um, you know, this is
the, this is the paradox of creation,

is that your life getting worse and
the adversity is the gift, is the

challenge, is the gateway through.

Audree: Is the opportunity.

Yeah,

Michael: yeah.

So, like, you know, when, when things
are really, really good, we enjoy

it and we, we enjoy that experience.

Status

Audree: quo.

Michael: Well, we, well, you know, the,
the, I mean, we're, we're here to live

and experience this creation, right?

And so, so that, that's fine, but
at the same time, there's this…

So this is, like, where it's really
been, like, a mind trip of, of getting

to a place of, of seeing where I do not
have gratitude for all of the unfolding,

all the difficulty, all the high
moments, all of the, the whole journey.

And right, and, and
this is the c- closure.

Maybe this is the segue into the audio.

But it's, it's having

You know, seeing where we do not have
gratitude for the, the gift of being

able to create separation for ourselves

Audree: Oh my God, you
know what I just got?

Disclosure.

What

does dis mean?

Michael: It means not

Audree: So- Or like a- … disclosure
actually means no closure.

Michael: Correct.

Audree: So revealing extraterrestrial
influence on humanity does

not give anyone closure.

Correct.

Michael: Yes.

It's a disclosure.

It's

Audree: a disclosure

The truth of clo- It's a- Of,
of disclosure would be that the

word disclosure means that you do
not have any closure whatsoever.

Michael: Yeah, if you want
closure, you go to closure.

You don't go to disclosure.

Audree: Right.

Michael: So the only closure-
You go to real closure … the

only closure is the realization

That the love that source consciousness
has for you in creating whatever it

is you wanna create, that love is what
allowed you to create the separation,

allowed you to create the forgetting,
allowed you to create the self-hatred.

And it's only that love of creation
that's flowing through everything.

And when you realize
that, that is the closure.

Audree: Well, when you- But it's your

Michael: living reality

… Audree: when you realize that you are
the one that is creating your reality,

that's the closure, because you're
not looking outside of yourself.

You're not blaming.

You're taking- Wait, wait … full
ownership and responsibility.

Wait.

Michael: And you have gratitude for it.

Audree: And you have gratitude for it.

Michael: For every creation.

Audree: Because gratitude
unlocks the gravity.

Michael: That's how we escape orbit.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: The gravity well of the Earth.

Audree: Yeah, the gravity of fear, of
hatred, of violence, of hopelessness

Okay, we should close.

Michael: Yeah.

So I think we just go into the audio now.

We don't do a statement then.

We're…

Yeah,

Audree: we close on the audio.

Michael: Okay.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: So, uh, so these are our final
words, so, um, thanks for joining us.

Audree: Let's be evolutionary.

Now

Michael: we know the
podcast series is complete.

Audrey said, "Let's be evolutionary."

The moment

When it all comes together

And you understand

That you're doing the
whole thing to yourself

When you understand that you
are the ego consciousness

You are choosing the separation.

You are the creator of the self-hatred.

You are creating all the pain, all
the suffering, all the fear, all

the shame, all the unworthiness.

You are creating all of it.

And at the same time

You understand that all the unworthiness,
all the shame, all those so-called

painful experiences are not you.

They're your creation

And then the question comes in:
Where do you not have gratitude?

Where do you not have
gratitude for all you created?

And you're seeing that everything that's
been created in the absence of love,

so-called absence of love on the seeming
surface, surface of it is the illusion

And that when you look into all those
creations, you see they're just light

codes bound up in a certain way, and
that the power that is expressed through

every single experience is the power of
source consciousness flowing through it.

And that I, as the egoic consciousness,
have always been creating with

the power of source consciousness,
always creating light codes.

And I've been creating
resistance to my own creations.

I've been creating all these various
different forms and experiences of,

of self-hatred, feeling lack, and
then wanting ice cream, eating the ice

cream, and then creating self-hatred
for my own being for having had the ice

cream and the impact on my physiology.

The resistance to that I'm the
one choosing it, resistance to

that I have never been separate.

And then seeing so deep that I
understand that it is all only

love, that source consciousness

has only love for my creation, for
my choice to be separate, for my

choice to create pain and suffering,
for my choice to create self-hatred.

And it is only this love, this
profound, incomprehensible love

that passes all understanding, that
allows me to create this for myself

And that all I've experienced through
separation is just love created

with love for the sake of love so
that I could have this experience

All of separation is just a big
yes from source consciousness.

Yes, I love you.

Yes, you can create whatever you want.

Yes, you have that power

It reminds me of in Pluribus how the,
uh, the character asks for an atom bomb,

and they're going like, "Okay, here you
go," and they drop it in the driveway

Because there's this understanding
that this is all a misperception.

It's just a creation, and all
the creation can be undone.

There's nothing permanent, nothing wrong.

That nothing can harm the
truth of what and who I am

And then looking at these endless
loops of self-hatred, of self-violence,

self-victimization, obser- you know,
roles of observing the perpetration

of violence again and again, just
seeing that this is all just what I've

created for myself, for my own being

And then seeing where I
don't have gratitude for the

opportunity to create this

Where I don't have gratitude for the
self-deception Where I don't have

gratitude for my own resistance to
my own being to see what's happening

And then she said, "Well,
it's all right there.

You just have to go through the door."

I think, you know, from where I'm sitting,
the more accurate pr- description would've

been, "Well, you've got all the tools.

If you just use them
together, you'll get through."

But, you know, I guess that's the
part of the thing about the choice.

Do I wanna go all the way through?

Do I wanna take full responsibility
for every single experience of pain or

seeming pain that I created for myself?

And have gratitude for it all, gratitude
for the whole experience of separation

And recognize that I am the egoic
consciousness doing this to myself.

There's no the egoic consciousness.

It's me.

I'm doing it

I'm the creator conscious pretending
I'm the ego consciousness, and then

pretending I'm not the ego consciousness
and it's some other thing that's part

of me that I'm not-- that's not me

It's a good joke.

It's a really good joke or as
we said before, a puzzle game