B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Michael: All right, so today I maybe for
the first time have preempted Audrey by

just giving her the microphone, getting
your mic up so we can start I know.

Audree: But you know what I got?

I got, 'cause I didn't turn my mic on,
if you're not turned on, nothing works.

Michael: If you're not in the high
frequency, if you're not out of the mind

Audree: Well, like life
should be orgasmic.

Mm.

It should be exciting and extraordinary.

Michael: That's how it's
designed to be, right?

Audree: Yeah.

That's what I mean by turned on.

Michael: Hm.

Oh, I see where you're going.

Audree: Okay.

Michael: So, uh-

Audree: Go forth and conquer.

Michael: Well, if we're starting
there, maybe the, maybe the

metaphysical topic is better.

Well, they're both
metaphysical or practical too.

Audree: So I wanted ... Well, I'm
curious about the human design 'cause

it has to do with life purpose.

Yeah.

And I think that that's really important
'cause I'm in this place where I'm like-

Michael: Okay, so I'll, I'll, I'll go here

I'm- So, so what-

Audree: I'm not sure I'm in
my life purpose right now.

Michael: Right.

Well, I always like to
call it life porpoise.

I'm not sure why.

Audree: Life porpoise?

Michael: Yes.

Well, it's about not taking
the whole thing so seriously.

Anyway.

Hm.

Um, so what I realized ... So,
so we're doing, um-

Audree: Let's go back for one thing.

You

Michael: wanna do the backstory?

The backstory or the backstory?

For,

Audree: for me, I'll
just say the backstory.

The most fascinating thing about human
design, and if nobody knows what human

design is, it's, it's a very new thing.

It mixes astrology, the I Ching.

What else?

Michael: This is not an intro course.

We don't need to do that.

Audree: I'm not saying it's an
intro course, but there might be

some people that are listening
that never heard of human design.

Right.

So it's ... It ... So do you
wanna explain it in two sentences?

Michael: Human design explains
structurally the neutrino imprint at

the time of your birth that shapes the
crystalline structures that form about

20% of everything that makes up who
you are and why you do what you do.

Audree: Basically, somebody
discovered that we are

pre-programmed bef- even before

It starts coming in three
months before you're born.

Mm.

And it's very, very accurate, like-

Michael: Spooky

... Audree: spooky accurate.

' Michael: Cause it's true.

Audree: And just letting you
know that there is a plan for

your life here on this planet.

Your incarnation came here for a reason,
and it's- In the human design chart.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And it's, the reason why we
put it into our work is it's, it, it's

like you, you push the easy button.

That's all I'm gonna say.

Okay.

Okay, go.

Michael: So Audra and I were working
on this, this audio, this new audio

to, uh, to open up human design
energetically in a very powerful way.

Yeah,

Audree: we, we

Michael: need- And you did
some extraordinary work.

It was really beautiful seeing what, what

Audree: you did.

Michael: Yeah.

Oh, that

Audree: was really
intense when I was- Yeah.

Remember

Michael: I was

Audree: coughing- ... writing it.

But-

... Michael: while you were doing stuff?

Oh,

Audree: yeah.

Michael: I, I, yeah.

Yeah.

Audree: This is probably why I'm in
this, like, kind of, not fucked up,

but really weird place right now.

So we added human design to our work.

We call it evolutionary design because
we took human design and unlocked it.

Otherwise, it doesn't work.

Well- It's like-

Michael: Yeah, so, so ap- human
design is a body of knowledge-

Mm-hmm ... that has very minimal
application, or the m- application

components it has are very weak.

So what evolutionary design is,
is the application toolkit to say,

"Okay, well, here's your human design.

Now this is what you do with it.

This is how you apply
it for rapid evolution."

Audree: Right.

Because the, the mistake is, is that if
you get your chart, if you look at your

chart and read it, it's like, "Oh, I have
the right angle cross of explanation.

I explain new things to humanity."

Like, or, you know, it, or, "I
have a, the sales gate," you know?

Uh, it, like,

th- there's certain things about when
you read your chart, it doesn't mean that

that's who you are and what you're doing.

It means that here's your potential
if you learn- ... how to unlock it.

Michael: Right.

So what happens is people are
living maybe 1% of their design.

Yes.

And they go, "Oh, yes, this is true
about me," but they're, they're only

recognizing the 1% of how it's true
about them, and they think, "Oh, that's

what it is," but they're missing the
99% of what their actual potential is.

Audree: That's how powerful-

Michael: Yeah

... Audree: the human design is.

1% is so powerful, you could, you could
you can walk away, but you haven't

unlocked your full potential yet.

Well, the

Michael: ego uses it- And that's where
our- The ego uses it to celebrate.

It's like, "Oh, this is how I am,"
and then it's used to justify, "Oh,

well, I'm this way, so therefore, you
know, I get to have these disruptive,

dysfunctional behaviors," and, you know.

Audree: Right.

And that's not e- that's not what it is.

Michael: That's the ego-driven
use of human design.

Yes.

So now, so the backstory is we were
working on this audio to really, uh,

beautiful energetic opening of the
energetic structures that have a lockdown

on human design so that you can work
on human, your human design- Movement

towards your potential consciously through
awareness using evolutionary living

tools, as well as there's an energetic
component now, which we've never offered.

We've offered a little bit to
people before, but we've never

really, um, put together until now.

And so, so it was really quite profound.

So what was going on for me is, is
like, you know, I have this question,

well, is, is that all there is to this?

Is that all there is?

So, so it starts as us- it usually
always does, which is I was

minding my own business, having
a shower, and then I wasn't even

trying to think about anything.

I was actually just, just, just
being in a place of, of stillness.

And the, the question pops in my
head is like, well, wait a minute.

What about the way we, we
perceive the world and we think?

Isn't that integral to how we fulfill
our life purpose and our role?

And I'm like, that's an interesting idea.

Just continue on.

Audree: Do you wanna say how
that shows up in the human design

Michael: system?

No, no, no, I'm not, I'm not
gonna teach human design here.

That's not what the purpose of this is.

Audree: Okay.

Michael: So I get, I'm gonna
touch on that in a little bit.

Audree: But it's so fascinating.

I, I,

Michael: I, I'm gonna-
Okay ... I'm gonna...

Just, just let me just do my thing.

Audree: Oh, okay.

Like- Go do your thing.

Just- Go be you.

Michael: Yeah, so what happens is there's
a structured flow of information, the

download's coming in and I'm speaking.

I know.

Go ahead.

And when you, when you speak, like
the whole download just stops-

Oh ... and then I gotta start again.

I'm sorry.

No, no, I- you didn't know, otherwise
you wouldn't have done that.

Yeah.

So, um, and I didn't even know now.

Thank you

Audree: for letting me know.

Michael: I didn't even know until
just now- Okay ... when I was

figuring out- Very good ... well,
what, what, what was going on there.

It's almost like there's a radio
station that I'm tuning into, and

then I'm broadcasting the signal.

That's almost what it's like,
or it's exactly what it's like.

Gotta hit rewind.

So I started with this, this
spontaneous question popped in,

well, what about the way we think?

Or what about the way we perceive?

So Audrey is famous for perceiving
possibility, which is so...

It's such an anchor point
for her flow through reality.

I'm thinking, well, geez, doesn't
that have something to do with this?

And then I'm like, okay, well,
let me just open up to like how...

'Cause we're looking at the
core structures of, of the

sun, the earth, the moon.

Let me just open up, and I'm going,
oh, oh my gosh, it's so obvious.

It's so obvious.

The way we perceive is based on the moon.

The way we think is based on the, I
don't know, like sun-earth combination.

It's like it's all there.

It's all there.

It's actually part of the core structure.

And then what I reali- and not only
that, the nodes of the moon hold our

destiny in our life and our path in life.

And then what happened, this is the
revelation here- And then what happened

is I'm going, "Well, wait a second.

Like, why is this?

Why?"

And I like, oh, 'cause Ra
got these things in pieces.

He...

And that's how he teaches human design.

It's, there are these pieces.

There are these pieces.

Well, you have your incarnation
cross, but your profile is

this other thing over here.

And the reason he did that is each
piece is so vastly complex, people need

to have that separation in order to
understand the individual components.

But what I started seeing was, well,
they're actually an orchestrated whole.

The sun, earth, moon, including
nodes of the moon, 'cause

they're part of the moon, duh.

That's-

Audree: It's not duh for the listeners.

Yeah.

Michael: They're just-
No, no, I'm saying for me.

Go ahead.

'Cause I'm like, well, they're treated
as a separate design element because

they have so much complexity they have
to get taught and analyzed separately.

But I'm looking at it going, "Oh, my
gosh, this is the core life imprint

of who we are and what we're doing."

And what happens is each
of them carry a component.

Audree: So say that again.

What is the core?

The sun.

Michael: The sun, the earth, the moon.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: And if you think about it
gravitationally, those are the, those

are the celestial bodies that have the
greatest gravitational impact on us.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: The sun, the earth, and the moon.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And of course, the, the,
the sun has the neutrino stream as

well, and so on, blah, blah, blah.

So, so if you think about it, those
are the most significant things.

So you think about all the other
planets as kind of decoration.

That's probably a good
way to think about it.

And so what, what landed in my
system then is like, oh, wait,

all these pieces suddenly fit
together to one concrete picture.

For example, um, nodes of the moon is,
is the life path, the life destiny.

So my, my path is moving from
conflict into crisis, right?

It's like first 42 years, I'm gonna
experience, no matter what I do, conflict.

Second 42 years, I'm gonna experience
crisis, or deeply experiential

is your, um, probably, uh,
elevated reinterpretation of it.

And so what happens is, is that everything
is actually there and mapped out.

Now, here's the deal.

I, I...

Ra has this beautiful metaphor
of that we're an actor.

It's like we're an actor.

Audree: Ra is the guy that downloaded
all the information about human design.

And

Michael: brought it to this world-

Audree: And

Michael: brought it,
yes ... starting 30 years ago.

He's dead now.

In '87 or so, yeah.

Okay, go on.

And so, so what Ra has this
beautiful metaphor is like, it's,

well, it's like we're designed
to be an actor on a stage, right?

And so what's happened
is, because of all the...

Oh, wait a second.

Yeah, I'll go here, then there's
something else that's really important.

Mm-hmm.

And we're designed to be an actor
on a specific stage, in a specific

role, doing a certain thing, in a
certain way, in a certain style.

That's what we're designed to do.

Now what happens is, in our life, we're
on the wrong stage- In the wrong role,

in the wrong play, trying to play the
wrong character with the wrong style.

Audree: Swimming upstream.

Michael: Well, none of it works.

Okay.

Right It's like, to, to give a, a, an
example or metaphor, it's like you're

designed, you're des- let's say you
imagine your design is to be a Formula

One race car, designed for very smooth
surfaces, high speed, and now the life

circumstance is saying, "We need you to
go cross country in this rugged terrain

with a mix of swamp, sand," and you're
like, "How am I s- life is just a mess.

My life is a mess.

Why are things so hard?"

The th- reason things are so hard is
because you're not operating where

you're supposed to be operating.

You know, one, one, you know, easy
example is you're designed to be in

mountains at high altitude and oversee
things, and you're living at sea level.

I mean, hello, this is not good for you.

Like, you're...

Like, things will...

I mean, th- Ross says this.

The things will never be correct for you
until you're in the right environment.

And so everything you're doing to
make your life better, you're, you're

doing it with 1% of your possibility,
or maybe 3% of your possibility

to actually make your life better.

Right.

You're not designed to function that way.

You are hurting yourself.

Anyway, the, you'll, but the
next revelation is even more

interesting, or equally interesting,
or the, why am I even comparing?

Which is this: that the l- the karmic,
the karmic structures that govern

the choice of how I wanna be born are
integri- integrally linked into our

incarnation cross, our human design.

Audree: Say that again.

Michael: The karmic structures of, "I
want to experience these life lessons"-

Audree: Yes

... Michael: are integrally linked to
the human design that we choose.

I'm gonna repeat this.

The, the karmic design of the life
experience that we want for the lessons

that we need to evolve through are
directly linked to the human design.

Right?

So think of this, and
this is what we've said.

We've said this.

We've had a p- a little piece of
it for a couple of years now, which

is that the, the, the, the, the
wounding clusters around the gates.

So if you have a gate to go right, the,
you know, s- so society tells you to

go left, that's where you build that
structure, and that's aligned perfectly to

what life e- lessons you're here to learn.

And so the whole thing is just
beautifully orchestrated and structured.

I'm complete.

Audree: That's it?

What

Michael: do you mean, that's it?

Well, there's probably more,
but that's all I got right now.

Audree: So- For those, so I, I just
wanna say for people that are listening,

if Michael sounded like wa, wa,
wa, like the parent from Peanuts.

Wa, wa, wa, wa, and you didn't understand
anything that he was saying, 'cause I have

the right angle cross with explanation.

Michael: Yeah, just remember,
we're not teaching a course here.

We're just-

Audree: I know

... Michael: speaking about some
interesting revelations.

Audree: I know, but the revelations don't
make any sense- Okay ... to anybody.

Michael: Oh.

Audree: Because you're speaking at a very
complex, advanced, very, very high level.

I

Michael: can, I can, I can
boil the whole thing down.

Audree: Boil it down, baby.

Michael: Okay, boil it down is, the
life lessons you're supposed to be

learn directly correspond to your
human design chart, and that everything

that you're designed to do, you've
been taught to do the opposite, and

conditioned to do the opposite, so
you can experience pain and suffering

in your life to get those lessons.

And that when you understand that this is
how it's structured, and you understand

exactly how it's structured, and how
to overcome those, those misdesigned

elements, those limiting factors that
you've been conditioned into, then

you have the laser blueprint into
unlocking your entire life to be the

extraordinary, to live the extraordinary
life that is the potential for you

in this situation that you're in.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: Is that what
you were looking for?

Audree: Thank you.

I just wanna add that the human design
chart, and this is what Michael spoke

to as an example, tells you specifically
what environment you need to be living

in in order to flow with g- your life, to
manifest, to, to make your life happen.

Human design also tells you what types
of food to eat or the environment

in which you should be eating for
your brain to function at 100%.

That's how detailed and
specific human design is.

Michael: Oh, there's another download.

Audree: Yes,

Michael: please do.

Is the food...

It- he talks about food ingestion.

It's not just food ingestion,
it's ingestion of everything.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: Of ideas.

Like, so I'm calm.

I need to eat in a calm environment.

Mm-hmm.

Then I can actually
intake the, the nutrients.

I need to digest information
in a calm environment.

That's why I need to be in the lab.

Audree: Exactly.

Michael: That's why when you're
watching something- Mm-hmm ... on your

computer, and it's got audio, it's like-

Audree: No

... Michael: it's, it's like- You
can't have any ... yeah, you can't.

It's even distracting if I- Yeah ... you
can s- see the images out of the

corner of my eye, and it's, like, this
fast YouTube stuff, and this, like...

It's like, like, so that's why it's,
that's a no-fly zone in the office.

Yeah.

Like, the office is for quiet work.

Audree: Quiet coyote.

Michael: Yeah.

Because that's what my system needs.

Audree: And what's, what's
my f- what's my digestion?

Michael: You know what's
really, uh, funny?

Audree: Hmm?

Michael: You know what's really funny?

Audree: What?

Michael: We spent so much time
going through all of this.

We spent, like, a couple of
months just focusing on this.

For the life of me, I cannot
remember your digestion.

Audree: Are you looking it up right now?

Michael: Yeah, I'm looking it up right

Audree: now.

So, so I mean, okay.

Let's-

Michael: It's clothes taste, so you like
the same things over and over again.

Audree: What do you-

Michael: And seasonal.

Audree: Yeah.

That's, that is me 100%.

Right.

That's why I like-

Michael: Which is why you need to
be growing your own vegetables,

which we haven't fully done yet.

Audree: No, but that's why I
love having the farm down the

street so we can go get...

And then I go to the store, and I
look at vegetables, what's alive-

Right ... what's fresh, and then I,
uh, and then I wanna create a dish.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: That's why I like eating flowers.

I love eating flowers.

Michael: Right.

So that's, that's, that's your situation.

Audree: Yeah.

Or, like, I just wanna go and
pick the hostas that are growing

out of the ground and eat them.

Like, I, that's like, that turns me on.

So-

Michael: Right.

So that's the validation.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Um, and I do.

I eat the same things over and over.

Like, if I go to a, like, if I,
if I have a favorite restaurant,

I will order the same dish.

I'm thinking about going to
Uncle Julio's in Chicago.

For, I don't know, 15 years, we
would go almost once a week, and

I would order the same thing.

I would order the veggie fajita platter.

That's-

Michael: But why order
anything else, right?

Audree: Y- exactly.

I tried to order a steak once when I
was pregnant, and it was, like, when

I was pregnant, I could not eat meat.

It was, like, so vile.

I was like, "This steak is," I
was like, "This steak is spoiled."

They're like, "It's not spoiled."

I was pregnant.

Yeah.

I didn't know.

Michael: Well, it is r-
rotting animal carcass.

Audree: Yeah.

Ugh.

Um.

Michael: Not sure we're
gonna even join the

Audree: cabinet.

Michael: Okay.

Audree: So what are we getting at here?

So I, I think we've mentioned this before,
that you spent a good four or five months

on the couch, on our porch outside-

Michael: Mostly it was
on the porch outside

Audree: studying human design.

Like, which, like, I, I'm
not exaggerating here.

I, I, I'm a, I'm a, I tend to exaggerate,
and in this instance, in this little

story here, I am not exaggerating.

I'm like, I don't need to exaggerate
most of the time, but this one is,

like, really, like, it scared me, and
I've mentioned this before- Oh, yeah

on the podcast.

It scared the shit out of me.

I was just like What's going on?

I've never seen you dive into a subject.

And now listening to you today, and
what we've built with the work, with our

work, I'm so grateful that you did this
because we were, we were, like, bound by

w- you know, going to another person to
read our charts, or have somebody come

here to, um, work with our students.

'Cause we understood how
powerful human design was.

And then when you started studying
human design, first of all,

the people that we hired had...

And they, and one person studied for
10 years, had no idea or never talked

about the things that you were learning.

Like, it was just...

And then the other person, I- I
think we spent $450 each to have our

chart read, where she printed out
some report and then just spewed the

report back to us, and it was, like,
bizarre and completely inaccurate.

And so what I'm trying to say here is I
have so much gratitude for your ability

to dive into a subject the way you
did with human design, and the value

that has come from those, you know, crazy
five months of exploration, 'cause it-

Michael: Yeah, I, I don't think it's...

Honestly, I don't think
it's humanly understandable.

Like, I, I mean, my ability to
intake and comprehend information,

put it together, is extraordinary.

Audree: Well, it's in your human design.

So...

Yeah.

Michael: So, so no- What

Audree: takes somebody an
hour takes you a few minutes.

Michael: Yeah, so it's not really
tractable for anyone else to

try to actually understand human
design to this level of depth.

So the recommendation we have
for anyone listening is if you...

There's, there's one,
um, product we recommend.

I don't know if it's
linked on our website.

It probably should be.

I- it's, uh, MyBodyGraph.

Oh.

MyBodyGraph.

It needs to be.

Which is the direct teachings and
information and creation of Ra Uru

Hu, the creator of it, which is,
is really beautifully constructed

to give you the, the knowledge
of what your human design is.

It's gonna give you some knowledge
and some very basic application tips.

And from there, then the work
that we do of evolutionary design.

That when with our students, we
say, "Go to this website, learn

your human design this way," and
that's how you get started, because

that's the, the best starting place.

But really, other than that-

Audree: There's a caveat, though,
and I, I, I just wanna add-

Michael: Oh, right

Audree: that what...

So what...

The reason why Michael, like, when he
was diving into this topic, and I was

telling this story, like, literally, he
sat on the couch in our outdoor patio.

Michael: With a laptop.

Audree: With a laptop all day long
And he would get up to go to the

bathroom, and he would drink tea,
and he would have his, his lunch.

Michael: Right And then

Audree: have-

Michael: Have you listened to
audios and reading the transcripts

from Ra's teaching sessions and-

Audree: Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

And then, like, he would have dinner,
and then he would just go back to doing

it again, or maybe he would take a break
in the evening, and then he was up again

in the morning, again, the same thing.

I, I'm literally a good
over 12 weeks of this.

Yeah.

And it was just like in the beginning,
it was like, "Okay, you're, you're,

you're curious about human design."

And then it went deeper and deeper

Michael: and- And you thought
I was mad, and I was like, "No,

no, no, I'm onto something here.

This is actually really important."

Audree: I know, but I didn't
under- I didn't understand.

In

Michael: hindsight- Well,
you, you had a charge.

Audree: Well-

Michael: Because you were not
differentiating the, the vibrational

frequency of the founder and
the, the, the, the, the- And that

Audree: is

Michael: what

Audree: I'm

Michael: getting at here ... the
challenges with him, with the

actual content and information.

S-

Audree: so Ra became, the, the
guy, Ra Ur-Rahu, that wasn't

his real name in the beginning.

He changed his name.

He, you know, I started listening to,
you know, okay, what's Michael doing?

What's he into?

What's he interested in?

And he's like, "You got," you know, and,
and he would have these, he'd have these

epiphanies and these insights, and I
would see the value, and then I would go

listen to Ra because on the, MyBodyGraph,
on this site, they have the recording

of the, the founder of this work.

And what I mean by that is
he didn't make it up himself.

It was a m- through mystical downloads
that he received this information.

But he was the originator.

He was the one that taught it.

He was the one that the transmission of
this body of knowledge flowed through.

So he's the original.

Now, what happens-

Michael: Well, I mean, it, it's
actually quite extraordinary.

I mean, there were actually
light beings that embedded

themselves in his physiology-

Audree: Yes

... Michael: so he'd have access to a
continuous stream of information.

Audree: Yes.

So-

Michael: I mean, it's like- I

Audree: have to sneeze ... seriously.

Excuse me.

Sorry, guys.

Um, so while, while...

Okay, so that's why we're
sending you to this site is, is,

one, because that's where the
transmission is the most powerful.

Anybody else teaching-

Michael: Does not hold the same energetic
transmission of this information.

Audree: Mm, no, and
there's misunderstandings.

It gets watered down.

Michael: It's not just knowledge.

I think that's the point here.

Right.

Is

Audree: that- It's an
energetic transmission.

Michael: Yeah, so, so what I noticed
when I was going through, listening

to either, you know, watching either
courses or listening to audios and

reading through transcripts, um, is
the transcripts alone- Were no bueno.

Like, they, they, they had the
exact literal text of what was

said, but I needed to listen to the
audio to get the frequency of the

transmission that went with the words

Audree: When he spoke

... Michael: when he spoke.

So I needed to either
watch video or audio.

Just having written information, r-
whereas whether it's factually true or

not, but human design is irrelevant.

What's relevant is that to
get the actual information.

So what we're sharing with you, when
we're bringing people to the evolutionary

design is, I, because I've received
that transmission from Ra through the

audios, through the videos, and I've
integrated, extended it, synthesized

it, integrated into a larger whole, when
we're sharing that information, it has the

transmission, the energetic frequencies
and codes that are needed to unlock

the information to make it valuable.

Audree: So that's what I was getting

Michael: at.

I just realized that now.

I didn't get that, but,
you know, I'm kind of- You

Audree: got it, but deeper

... Michael: I, I'm kinda
s- kinda slow sometimes.

Audree: Yeah.

So, so the thing about, the thing of
what I was feeling when I would he-

when I would listen to Ra speak, is
I could feel his frustration and his

anger, and a distortion with humanity.

And so that is- He

Michael: had a lot of anger
'cause he was a manifester

... Audree: yes.

So, A, he was a manifester.

B, people weren't getting the work.

And the reason why, and I didn't see
this until about, I don't know, maybe

a few months after Michael finished up
and he started synthesizing everything.

And what I started to understand was that,
I know, I know this sounds really weird,

is that Michael is finishing Ra's work.

And Ra's work, human design, was
incomplete because it didn't have the

application value to the work itself.

Mm.

Ra was here to bring the information
forward, and then he started training

teachers, but w- what happened was
there's not been any, not that I know of-

Michael: There's n- there's
not, I mean- ... any unlock

human design basically died on the vine.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: It's this fringe technology
that people kinda look at, and they get

kind of excited about, think about the
potential, and then nothing happens.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: Pretty much.

Audree: And so what Michael was able
to do with his ability, or his genius

I wanna say, don't let that go to
your head, um, is that- Our work,

what he was starting to see was...

'Cause I didn't see any value.

I'm just like, "We're not
teaching human design anymore."

Michael: No, you were adamant.

Oh.

"We are not."

Audree: We are not doing that.

We're

Michael: not.

And I'm like, "Okay, I just wanna
understand it for myself then."

We are staying pure.

That's fine.

Audree: Right.

We're staying pure to our work.

We're not in bringing
in anybody else's work.

We tried to do that.

We tried to use other people's
teachings and bring other teachers

into our work, and we kept finding
the same thing over and over again.

Right.

Michael: It wasn't- And this is before
the She explained what was going on.

Right.

It was not a match.

Where they said, "Well, you can't do
that 'cause it's, you know, th- they

were created for during the deviation."

Yes.

You can't.

You need to, you need to have a
clean room- Yes ... 100% free of the

deviation to bring people out of it.

Yeah.

Audree: Now, what's interesting is human
design was, like, like evolutionary

energetics, created during the time,
or the information brought forth

during the time o- of the deviation,
yet not for the time of the deviation.

Yeah.

And so, and so what Ra did not understand
was his role was to bring the information

forward, and then at some point in time,
somebody was gonna come and unlock all

the information, and that is what our work
does, and that is what Michael has done.

Like, I haven't even studied human design
to the level that, like, that he does.

In fact, I would love if you read people's
charts, but it's not what you wanna do.

So, um, it's a really interesting...

I think your, I think your vision
is that people read their own

charts, and I think that that is-

Michael: No, no, I'm happy to do it, but
I'm gonna do it for advanced students

when they're through the evolutionary
design component, not before that.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Because, because giving
them the information before that,

before they really understand what
is happening and what the information

means- Mm-hmm ... means that they're
not able to fully integrate it.

Like, we already did a prototype
run, um, one or two academies

ago, and, you know, I, I know
what the results out of that were.

Like, there's a, th- there's more, there's
more context and, and support needed

for people to integrate the information
'cause, 'cause taking it in- Well,

I- ... is so, I mean, it's so profound.

And, and really, what I realize
is, you know, it's my usual thing.

I think, "Oh, I just need to tell
people what it is, and they can

figure it out themselves and do it."

And- Well,

Audree: that's what Ra
did, and it didn't work.

Michael: N- n- no, no, no, but
I mean, and the next level of

explaining, "This is how you use it.

This is how you use the
clearing tools with it.

This is how..."

And what I realize is people
need more structure and more

hand-holding through the process.

Audree: I think the other thing with
human design is it becomes so obvious

that you've been, and Ra says this too,
is that humanity has been homogenized.

And conditioned that
everybody is the same.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Humanity, society wants- Mm
... everybody the same, and, and tucked

into a box, and you cannot col- like,
you cannot color outside of the lines.

If you do, then you're weird, you're
strange- Abnormal ... you're on the

fringe, you're abnormal, you have ADD,
you have, you know, you're bipolar.

Like, all these, like- D-

Michael: d- don't go there, otherwise- I
know ... it'll start a whole other topic.

Audree: Sorry.

Yeah.

Michael: That's not a good example.

Audree: So I'm just, I'm just going to
the extreme here, so I'll pull it back, is

that, you know, and what we're saying here
may be dangerous, and it's really clear

to understand that each one of us is an
individual incarnation here for a purpose,

and the purpose is not maybe one purpose.

It's a bunch of purposes.

It's so complex that we can't fully
understand it, and at the same time, we

need to, especially with our children,
listen to our system in order to find the

truth of who we are as an incarnation in
this physical, in this physical realm.

Like, this is very important.

You know, it, and, and it's like every
time, you know, society, our parents,

the educational system, the workforce
says, "You're to be put in this category.

You're to be put in this-" Mm-hmm
... "box and perform this way," it's

not how you are designed to show up
to life, and that's why, you know,

we keep hitting, hitting the wall,
hitting the wall, hitting the wall.

Right.

We can't manifest.

We're, we don't feel good.

We get sick.

We get physically ill.

You know, I can, you know, all of us
know people that are supposed to be an

artist, but they're a computer programmer.

You know, uh, uh, just a very
generalized thing, but this...

And this is where we see with our
students, it's very hard to digest the

fact that you're living in the city, and
you're doing a certain job, and you're

very comfortable, and maybe life is okay.

It's not everything that you
wanted it to be, but it feels okay

because you've convinced yourself
that this is the way life is.

And then you go and you see your human
design, and Michael tells you, "You're

supposed to be living on a mountain."

Michael: Or at high elevation

Audree: Or high elevation, and it's
like, "No, no, no, no, no, I'm...

This is my apartment and I can't move,"
or, "My kids live here, so I can't...

I c- I have to be with my kids."

I

Michael: can't, just thinking about it
right now, figure out how to make it work,

so therefore I'm gonna ignore this data.

Audree: Exactly.

Michael: It's not about...

See, it's not about...

And this is what Ra always

Audree: says.

Well, this is what we always do.

It's

Michael: following your, your
strategy and your design.

We say f- you know,
following guidance, right?

It's not about trying to fix it today
or with a mind trying to solve for it.

It's about saying, "Wow, I wonder
what my life would be like.

I wonder how this could happen."

And it- when you're open to the
possibility of it happening and

having it be extraordinary beyond
your wildest beliefs and you're

open to that possibility, then life
will find a way to get you there.

It will.

It will unwind, 'cause all of creation
is trying to unwind you to fulfill

your destiny to live your life purpose.

That, this, and, and every, all the
challenges that you're experiencing

in your life are that you are not
listening to the flow of creation.

We talked about row, row, row
your boat gently down the stream.

Mm-hmm.

You don't, you're not
going down the stream.

You're

Audree: going upstream.

Michael: You're like saying, "Oh,
society told me to go upstream.

I'm gonna go upstream."

Audree: Mm-hmm.

I can make it work.

Michael: I can make it work.

I

Audree: can, I could

Michael: push- I just gotta try harder.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: You know?

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: To get that job, to find
that financial success, to find

that relationship, to fulfill
whatever the desire in your body is.

This is the ego hijacking the
conditioning to take you on a ride.

Audree: And it's the wrong ride.

Michael: It's the wrong ride.

Well, you know, uh, y- I mean,
you're a sovereign being.

You can create whatever you want.

If, if that's the experience you
wanna create while you're here, enjoy.

Would you like fries with that?

Audree: Hmm.

Michael: And you know, I get it.

It's not easy to look at the truth.

It's not easy to, to say, "Well, wait.

What if this were true?

What if it were true that
I'm in the wrong environment?

What if i- it were true
I'm eating incorrectly?"

I mean, just to, just to go onto
that, like, I mean, we know somebody

else, you know, who's supposed to
eat during the daytime, right, only.

Audree: Not at night.

Not at

Michael: night.

Not when it's dark.

And you know, every, every winter
they disappear, like Every winter.

And it's like they, they
know they're, they know what

they're eating correctly is.

It's not that they don't know.

It's just that the grip of the ego, the
grip of conditioning, is so powerful

they can't even contemplate, "Well,
what if I just do something different?

What if I actually just, you know, run
the experiment of living correctly?"

Whether it's food or environment,

you know?

Hmm.

It's fascinating.

That's what we're up against.

This is why we say you are the donkey.

You know, the, the, the egoic
conscious is sitting on you as

the rider saying, "Go this way.

Go that way."

You go, "Uh-huh.

Uh-huh."

And we, you know, we tell you,
it's like, "Hey, donkey, you need

to be over here to be healthy."

And it's like, "No, no, no,
I'm gonna go over this way."

I'm like, "Okay."

What?

And y- y- you pretending, you're
believing the lie that you're consciously

in control of your life, you're not.

You know- If you're consciously
in control of your life, you'd

be, "I'm supposed to be over here?

Okay, I'm going over here.

I don't know how I'm gonna get
there, but I'm gonna go over there."

Audree: I mean, it's,
it's the typical story.

So- ... this is really interesting
'cause, you know, last year- ... we

decided, "Okay, we're gonna come out,
and we're gonna just say the thing."

So we've trained thousands of people
through our leadership training, and

remember, in the beginning, it's like
you're the problem and you're the

solution, and nobody wanted to hear that.

And we're saying, "Hey, but
here, here's exactly what to do.

Here are the tools and techniques.

Here's the thing n- these
are the things to look for.

This is how you can, you know, change,
change your whole entire, you know,

workplace in order to function properly."

And people are like, "Nah."

I mean, like, literally, the, the,
the attrition rate from level one,

we had thousands of people in level
one and hundreds of people in level

two, maybe 100 people in level two.

Like, not even.

Like, nobody can get-

Michael: 150.

Audree: 150.

Like, nobody can go from level one 'cause
it's like, "Oh, it sorta makes sense.

I'll sorta do this."

Or they do, like- ... one or two
things and, and then their, their

career would take off, and they
would get promoted, and then they

start saying, "Oh, this stuff works."

They'd get promoted, but
they'd never come to level two.

We weren't done.

W- Then we have one, one guy- W- w-
w- ... who went all the way through,

did all the, the, the, um, academy
level stuff, did train the trainer,

is use- is d- teaching level one in
his company, and he finally goes, "Oh,

everything was taught in level one."

I'm just kidding.

Wait, six ye- no, like, eight years later.

You know?

It's like-

Michael: No, say that again.

That was important.

He realized that all the key messages
of everything that's going on with us,

where we're in sabotage, where we're
getting in our own way, and exactly what

to do, is all right there in level one.

Uh-oh,

Audree: this broke.

Michael: I'll just pause.

It's all- Okay, so microphone
malfunction complete.

Repaired.

Audree: And bio break.

Michael: And bio break, yeah.

Audree: Um-

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: So, you know, it's interesting
because right now in my, in my

evolutionary journey, I'm hitting
up a w- against a wall, and my wall

is, like, super frustrated because,

like,

I th-

I mean, the...

I'm at a loss for words, and it's only
because I have fear of saying this.

We figured it out, the how-to.

And I remember back maybe, I don't know,
eight years ago, nine years ago, sitting

in, you know, I don't know, the 50th
leadership training course that we did.

And you're, you're doing the playbook,
and we've evolved the playbook.

We, you know, we kept evolving
the work and evolving the work.

And, and I remember the moment
when you were teaching the

playbook, and I realized, "Oh my
God, this is how you manifest."

And I was like, "Oh my God, we're
teaching the secrets of the universe.

We have the keys to unlock everything."

And I remember even the first time I, I
sat in the class, I think it was, like,

your second or third leadership training,
when you brought me in, and you're

just like, "Just observe this course."

And I was standing in the course on
the second day, and I was looking

at everything, and, like, all
these insights were popping up,

knowing, like, knowing that there's,
like, such profound truth here.

And you were teaching a shift in
consciousness without even knowing that.

And, and, like, and, and there were...

And what it would take for leaders
to change their organization and, and

make workplaces better, but it, it...

And I was seeing how it matched what I
wanted, which was to have people live

healthy and live their potential, 'cause
I'm all about potential and possibilities.

Possibilities, really.

And my own, my own journey, and
how to unlock myself, you know,

how to, how to end my self-sabotage
and my pain and suffering, and

unlock my, all the possibilities
to live an extraordinary life.

And every time I sat in the class
and we taught that class, that is

what I saw over and over and over
again, and evolving it and refining

it, and evolving it and refining it.

And

my frustration is,

is that we have it.

We have the secrets of the universe.

We have the mechanics of the universe.

We have mechanics of creation.

We have the or- laws of
organizational dynamics.

We have exactly the
playbook of how to do it.

We have the how-to, and nobody wants it.

That's, that's where I, I've, I've been in
the last, like, 24 hours- Mm ... 48 hours.

It's like nobody wants it.

This...

Our students don't want it.

Like, do we want it?

We want it so bad that we're,
like, really, like, okay,

we're putting this to the test.

What if it were true?

We are creating our reality.

If we're gonna say this thing,
then okay, we can manifest certain

things, and it hasn't happened yet.

And it's, it's, but it's coming.

I, I, I-

Michael: And I can feel it ... I,
I know, I know what it is.

Audree: What?

Do

Michael: you wanna hear it?

Audree: What?

You

Michael: ready?

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: We set it up this way.

Audree: Why?

Michael: I'll t- I'll tell
you why we set it up this way.

We set it up this way that the unlock,
the, she said this one, the final

cylinder of this multiple locks, that
everything's gonna happen all at once.

And we set it up this way so that we
didn't take the early exit, 'cause we know

the structure of the ego consciousness.

Remember how we were just
describing our students?

Mm-hmm.

They get to a certain level of
success, and then they stop.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: W- we knew th-

Audree: Not only do they
stop, though, they disregard

where their success came from.

It, it, it,

Michael: just, just, just, just,
just stay, stay, stay o- It

Audree: drives me crazy

... Michael: stay on target, blue leader.

I know.

Stay on target, blue leader.

So we knew this is the structure
of the ego consciousness, so we set

it up this way, that everything is
only gonna unlock when we get to

a specific point in our journey.

Now, do you know what that
point is, or should I tell you?

Audree: Can it be today?

Michael: So it could be any
day that we choose it to be.

That's not the point.

The point is the choice internally.

And this is the other revelation I had.

It's like, it's, like, so obvious,
it's been there the whole time.

It's that the only thing So
if you think about all doing,

all doing, all evolution,
everything we teach, it's the mind.

Mm-hmm.

It's game one.

It's within the construct
of game one, what do I do?

Within the construct of
game one, what do I do?

And the only way that game one ends
is when we just go to game two.

So the, the, the, the, the fix is
very simple, is just very simple.

We just abide in the is-ness,
and that's all we do, and we just

make that choice and stay there.

That's it, and then it's all over.

Audree: I know, but what hap- ... So
what's happening with me-

Michael: Do you agree
about the diagnosis first?

Audree: I agree with the diagnosis,
and I'm moving through a lot of anger

and frustration, and I think that
that's kind of like, there's almost

like this ... You know, when you, when
you light alcohol on fire, it's like

burning off the alcohol kind of thing?

And I feel like that's what's been
happening with me, is that there's

some sort of burn-off happening.

Michael: What I noticed in myself with the
channeling yesterday was there were some

words that hit me, which is the addiction-

Audree: Yeah

... Michael: to the processing.

Mm-hmm.

The addiction to the evolutionary
process, and I'm look, and I looked

at it and I said, "Wow, I'm so deeply
committed to using the tools from my

evolutionary process, and my current
step of moving into game two requires

that I let go of it all, let go of the
processing, let go of the tools, let go of

everything, everything, everything that's
gotten me where I am, and simply be.

Simply be in the is-ness, be in the,
the truth of, of what and who I am."

Audree: So I'm burn ... So for
me, I'm just, I'm burning off.

There's like some sort
of- ... layer of anger and

frustration that I'm burning off.

Michael: Yeah, so here's the paradox.

You know, you know the kids in
the car say, "Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?"

That's the ego, and so the thing is when
the ego stops asking, "Are we there yet?"

then we're there.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I'm not there.

Michael: I, that's what I'm
trying to s- I'm not there e-

I'm not, I'm not there either.

I, I'm just- I, but I'm getting closer

... Audree: that's what I'm trying
to say, is like I'm burning off

this like, I'm so fucking angry.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Like, so yesterday,
you know, we take time out

of our ... Oh, I'm gonna cry.

Take time out of our day, you know, to,
to, to have a, a long meditation session,

an hour, with our students that aren't
even paying for this, and it's like we

have to show up, we have to rearrange our
schedule, and nobody fucking shows up.

Now, only two people showed up.

So-

Michael: No, no, more than that showed up

Audree: Really?

Michael: But you have to, you have
to tell people this real story.

I

Audree: know.

The real story- The real story ... is,
is that when I went- You just

Michael: created the
experience for yourself

... Audree: I know, I created the experience.

I, so I went to my calendar to, to, and,
and hit, you know, the Zoom meeting,

and I wa- it was the, on the calendar,
what was popped up on the calendar

was the day before Zoom meeting.

So I was on the wrong Zoom meeting,
and when people weren't coming, there

was this in- there was a impulse
to check the calendar to make sure

I was- ... on the r- Zoom meeting.

Michael: Oh, confession.

Audree: And I didn't do it-

Michael: Uh-huh

... ' Audree: cause I wanted to be angry.

Oh.

I just wanted to sit in my seating.

I'm pissed.

No, I'm just gonna admit it.

I'm pissed.

You know, it's like we've taken these
people all this way, and they won't go the

rest, they won't go all the way through.

'Cause so we've had, like, nine students,
and there's only, like, you know, and

there's a very specific path that they
need to go through, and they won't do it.

And we've given them discounts.

We've made it easier so they can go
through, and they, they've still chosen

not to go through, and I'm so pissed.

Michael: But we're not
going all the way through.

We gotta do our stuff.

Audree: No, we are...

The, don't say that
'cause that is not true.

We sit here every day, all day
long, going through and going...

We are so committed, so saying that
we're not going through is not true.

Michael: We haven't finished.

That's what it, we just talked about.

There's a final

Audree: unlock.

It doesn't, it doesn't matter.

Hmm.

We have gone through more
than anybody else has.

We've sacrificed so much.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And I'm fucking tired.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: And I don't care about humanity.

I'm telling you right now,
anybody listening, I don't care.

I, uh, don't care about your journey.

Like, I, I really, I'm at this point
where I could just be super, super honest.

I really don't care about
anybody else's journey.

Well- I care about my own
journey, and that is it.

And it's like, and at this,
a- and, and I'm done, I'm

almost done doing everything.

Well- I'm done doing these, these podcasts
that nobody's listening to anyways.

You know, I'm building out the website.

There's all kinds of free shit there
that no- like, nobody cares about, nobody

wants, or they w- they just want it free.

I have all these people coming to me,
and, you know, "Oh, can you fix me?"

"Can you heal me?"

You know, somebody's face, half
their face is paralyzed, and I

heal them, you know, or I, you
know, I facilitate their healing.

I give them the- Mm ... audios for free.

I-

Michael: Not recently, I hope.

Audree: No, this is a couple years ago.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: And you know what they
tell me, like, a year later?

"Oh, my friends love your, your audios,
uh, you know, that you gave me, and

they're, they're, you know, they're,
they're doing so well with them."

And I'm just like, I just was like, "What
do you mean you're giving these away?

Like, I- we charge $150 for that audio.

I want you to..."

"Oh, I didn't know that."

Or, you know, "Can you, can
you, you know, somebody is

really interested in your work.

Can you give them a free session?"

It's like, fuck you, no.

Like, I'm just like, no.

Like, I didn't get here for free.

Michael: Yeah.

Dude- You

Audree: know how much
it costs to go to India?

Let alone one week was what, what,
$6,000, $12,000 for 10 days, plus

getting to India was $2,000, plus,
plus, pl- I mean, hello, people.

Like, I did the fucking work.

Oh, I am so angry.

Michael: Mm.

Good.

Audree: You know?

And now they want it for free, or they
want a discounted price or, you know, or

they don't wanna go all the way through.

What, you know what it takes
to go all the way through?

When did you ask me, 2017, "Do
you wanna go all the way through?"

I'm still going all the way through.

The ups and the downs and...

Michael: You know, I, I'm reminded of
something, uh, that she said, I think this

was yesterday actually, or maybe earlier,
is that, um, we can't help anybody.

Audree: Mm-mm.

Michael: That people are...

We, we just need to stand back and
let people untangle themselves.

We can give them support and tools.

We, you know.

But they're the ones who have to get
themselves out of the situation, 'cause

they're the ones doing it to themselves.

So, you know, when I look at what's
happening, you know, I actually...

And this goes back to a few days ago,
just really just being able to see the

perfection in everything of, of all of it.

And when I do that, I kinda ca- kinda
pop out of the, the whole thing.

And I think really for us it's just,
just really the, the, you know, the

importance of our current stage of the
journey of, of, of completing the shift

to game two, of, of popping all the way
out into the is-ness as a permanent basis

for, you know, being in the being-ness
of, of who we are as, as, as, o- you

know, what we are, that everyone is.

And being in that place, and from that
place, then because we're no longer caught

up in all the things going on around us,
then we can just ch- change everything.

So I think that's really the, you
know, the, the path is the s- the path.

It doesn't, nothing changes

Audree: For us.

For us, yeah I'm just saying
for our work, though, like right

now, I wanna take everything o-
I wanna take the websites off.

Mm-hmm They're not doing anything
Mm-hmm Nobody, you know, and, and we're

not advertising, so nobody's buying.

There's nobody that wants to come
work for this organization to

actually make anything happen.

Michael: Yeah, so I, I, I- Um,

Audree: that is qualified to do
it Yeah Like, we've hired people

that, to do marketing We're,

Michael: we're coming up,
coming up on time, so- I know

I don't know what you're

... Audree: I'm just, I'm just vomiting
all my frustration- Yeah ... right now

It's so good Like, we've paid thousands
of dollars for people to ... And, and

they can't market our work because they
don't- Well- ... live the teachings

Michael: No, that's not why.

It's 'cause we had a lockdown on our
work actually going out to the world

until we complete, complete the program.

Audree: No, that's retarded.

And-

Michael: No, that's
actually what's going on.

No, no.

That's why it hasn't

Audree: worked.

That, I'm, I'm just letting you
know right now that that is the

dumbest thing that I ever heard.

Well,

Michael: do you have a better-
And if there's a, if you-

... hypothesis that fits the data?

Audree: I think just
people, people aren't ready.

They don't want it.

They don't wanna take full ownership and
responsibility for their shit and their

shitty lives and their pain and suffering.

And they, you know, wanna do ketamine
treatments, and they want a pill, or

they wanna go to, you know, some other
teacher that they're gonna sit in a, in

a big, huge classroom with 5,000 people
and, and state change or listen to, you

know, some half-truths and lies over here.

Like, no, people don't want the truth.

And

Michael: they don't- Right back,
back to the movie A Few Good Men.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: You can't

Audree: handle the truth.

You can't handle the truth, and they,
and, and they don't wanna do the work.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: Even, even like the, like
on our website, we, the very first

thing is, you know, what if it were
true you're creating your reality?

And the AI is like, "You, you know,
maybe you shouldn't say that because

it's, you know, it's too bold.

It's, you're too bold."

And I'm just like, "But you know what?

If we're not bold, and we're not honest,
and we're not saying the truth, and

we're candy coating all the shit for
everybody, then we're doing a disservice."

There's no point to it.

Michael: Well, you know what I
say about s- somebody who's in

your, your situation, Audrey?

What's the teaching?

Audree: I don't really care.

Michael: Well, well, we, we need
it for the listeners anyway.

So the, the teaching
is when some- Nobody's

Audree: listening

... Michael: when someone's really
stuck It means that they're

ready for a breakthrough.

So this is, this is
the ... And this has happened.

I mean, in, in- But

Audree: even somebody that wants
to come and, you know, and we're

offering, you know, somebody to come
in and work for this organization,

they're just like, "Well, you know,
I don't get the energy stuff."

And I'm just like, "Fuck you.

The energy stuff is the very thing
that's gonna move you forward.

If you don't have high vibrational
frequency, you're not going anywhere.

Can't work here."

Like, I don't want them here.

Like, I'm s- I'm so fucking ... I
am, like, I'm so done.

I'm so done.

Michael: Perfect.

Audree: Well done.

I'm done with all of humanity right now.

Have at it, guys.

Blow yourselves up.

Michael: Okay.

That's a great way to, um, transition.

Do you wanna go to the E, E-

Audree: Ketamine your treatment
yourself out of it ... E, E-

Michael: Do you wanna go, do you wanna
go to an E2 tr- transmission now?

Audree: I don't know.

I, no, I don't wanna
give anybody anything.

Michael: Okay.

Well.

Audree: This might be the very,
very end of our work in the world.

Michael: Yeah, could be.

All right.

So-

Audree: Which means that
we have to go get real jobs

well, I, I think,

Michael: I think, uh,

I think we'll end here.

This is actually, like, a
beautiful, beautiful moment.

Surprise ending to this episode.

So thank you so much

Audree: for- Or surprise
ending to all of it.

Michael: Yes.

So thank you so much for joining us today.

Uh, let's be evolutionary