B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Michael: Okay, so today starts like this.

I was, uh, Audrey's asked me what's going
on, and I had this feeling that I wanted

to record something, um, just for myself.

Audree: So he was recording for
himself and I'm like staring

at the podcast microphones that
are sitting right there going,

Michael: yeah, this is what she does.

And it, it is like, I, I wasn't,
I just wanted to capture this

for myself, this moment of.

Uh, revelation, I guess, or epiphany
about the mechanics of creation.

And one of the things I've been struggling
with really is about I'm, the, my, my, the

mechanic of my being is I'm designed to
understand and figure things out, but I'm

not Desi but, but none of us are designed
to try to control what's happening,

which is the kind of the weird paradox
of trying to figure out, to understand,

to move through something is fine for me.

Then, uh, but not having controlled
anyway, so that aside, what was going

on for me is I was looking the mechanics
of, of understanding, resting in

the, the truth of what, of who I am
as source consciousness, which is an

experience, an experience of isness,
an experience of being the light or

experience of this deep still pool.

There's, it's a direct
experience of my own being.

We could call it Also
awareness of awareness.

This is the truth of all of us.

We all have awareness, and when we refine
it and refine it and purify we, and,

and have the, the understanding and the
mechanism and the level of purification

needed and the energy is available, it,
we can kind of pop open to this kind of

awakening to, to what and who we are.

Audree: Can you just go off a
little bit and just explain the,

what the experience feels like for
you, just so people understand.

Michael: Yeah.

So I'll start there.

If you're listening to this already,
your mind is starting to go, oh,

let me go access that experience.

And the mind is a creator.

Consciousness is the creator
consciousness in a deviated form.

And so it can, it's a simulator so it
can create whatever experience you want.

So when you're hearing this and you try
to access this, so as I'm describing

this, your, your mind may follow
along and try to create this, right.

And the thing I wanna point out
is the mind creates a simulation

of it That is not the thing.

So what I'm gonna describe here is the
disambiguation of what the mind simulation

is and what the actual experience is.

Um, and the mind will keep
on trying to trick you.

So, you know, it's not, I mean, this is,
this is the end of like, you know, stage,

you know, 99 of a hundred step journey.

So, but, but let's just, let's
just go along here for, for fun.

So.

So when we put our awareness on our
awareness, there's this kind of sparkly

aliveness tingliness that is unlike
any other experience in my being.

And it's this, it was called the Our
Guides that she called the isness.

Like there's an isness to it.

Audree: It just is.

Michael: Yeah, there's a great,
um, video from Muji where he says,

you know, never born, never died.

It's just, it's just this
eternal thing that's there.

Audree: It's just there.

Michael: It's just there.

Audree: And you put
your awareness on that.

Michael: Yeah.

And so, so the, for me, the signature is
that there's this sparkling tingliness

that the mind cannot simulate.

Like it's an experience of
like, oh, this is something very

different here that's happening.

You

Audree: feel it.

Michael: I experience in my being,
we don't wanna use the word feel

anymore, that's on the band list.

Audree: Got it.

But what, so

Michael: it's a direct experience.

And so what happens to me is I have
this direct experience of that isness.

I have a direct experience when I go
deeper into it, of experiencing the light.

This light just that's
spontaneously there within my being.

Like, what is this light doing here?

Or experiencing as a deep still pool,
like, what is this, this, this, this,

this center of stillness within my being.

It's like an direct experience.

Like I'm not trying to make it happen.

That's, that's how you know what happens,
which is a spontaneous experience.

Then it's the actual real deal, and

Audree: there's a, there's a
physical component to it because

your whole body automatically,
without trying just lets go.

Michael: Like there's, you
don't need to do, I'm gonna

do the breathing practice now.

There's nothing.

This is, oh, this is, yeah.

This is why we have that business
audio that we use for ourselves.

This is what happens.

We

Audree: made our own
transformational audio

Michael: just for ourselves.

Audree: Just for ourselves.

We don't sell it.

Michael: Well, it's not gonna
help people unless they're

at the stage of the journey.

Audree: It, it doesn't matter 'cause
nobody's buying our work anyways.

So we're our own customers

Michael: and people aren't
even starting with level one.

They don't need level five.

Right.

All right.

So, alright, so

Audree: it's all just for us.

Michael: Yeah,

Audree: we'll go on our own website
and we'll just purchase our own audio.

So we use them Like yesterday I used, I
know I'm off on a tangent, but yesterday

I used the E two healing session.

I gave myself a healing with
the transformational audio.

Michael: Was it good?

Audree: It's amazing.

Michael: Yeah.

Good?

Yeah.

Alright.

Yeah.

So

Audree: why are you vague?

Michael: What was I saying?

Oh, yeah.

So, so, so what's happening is there's
nothing to do to get there, right?

And that's the trick.

The whole thing is the mind wants
to do, the mind wants to think,

the mind wants to achieve, the
mind wants to da da da da da da.

Like is the go, go,
go, go, go is the mind.

And so when we, that's why we say

Audree: surrender.

The mind wants to heal the mind
wants to come into balance.

Exactly.

The mind wants to be enlightened.

Michael: So, so my kind of, you know,
I say more often than not stayed in the

morning is like the mind's going rah and
some sort of disturbance in my field, and

that's my usual kind of wake up moment.

And then I'm looking at it going,
okay, well I don't wanna, I don't

want, I don't wanna, I don't want this.

And then the mind starts to
create, oh, well, I'll just go to

the isness is what the mind says.

And then it tries to create, oh, like
some sort of fake version of like, oh,

this feels like a pleasant sensation in my
body and I'm going, wait, this is not it.

This is the mind pretending.

This is the thing.

Audree: And you can tell because
the mind is actually describing

the experience that you're having

Michael: versus when we're
actually in the experience of

the isness, the mind shuts down.

Audree: Hmm.

Michael: And so, so this
is get, this is the setup.

This is all the setup.

So the realization, the
epiphany I had this morning,

and this comes back to Audrey Tara's
sutra, which is the mind wanted to be God,

and in doing so, it forgot that it was,

I'll repeat Audrey Sutra.

The mind wanted to be God.

And in doing so, it forgot
that it already was.

So the truth of each of us right now

is that we are operating from a
consciousness, the egoic consciousness,

that is God, that is source consciousness.

That is healed and whole and transformed.

However, it's chosen to pretend that's
not true, chosen to ignore it, and turned

away from its own truth, its own truth.

And so the, the epiphany this morning
is that it cannot know what it is.

It can't try to connect on its
own with what it is because

it's turned away from it.

All it has to do is stop turning away

and turn back,

and then it can connect with what it's
actually been seeking this whole time.

Audree: So what I wanted to say here
is, it's also kind of the opposite

of what you said, that it turns away.

Sometimes the, the mind turns
towards and also thinks it's God,

but doesn't actually believe it.

So I'm just, I'm just looking at
the world around us right now and

what's happening on the planet.

So when you were saying, oh,
the mind turns away from itself,

Michael: it's truth.

Audree: It's truth.

Sometimes the mind turns towards this
truth and then tries to convince itself,

which is called spiritual bypassing.

That it is peace.

It is love it.

Is it enlightened?

It is oneness.

There's

Michael: Right, it wants the very
thing it turned away from, so tries

to create it on its own, which
can never actually work because.

It, it doesn't, it's not within
that construct to actually have

the capacity for it, because the
capacity is outside, which is what it

is, creating it in the first place.

So,

Audree: yeah, so, so just to be very,
very clear that you can have, you know,

even through the mind, you know, trying to
replicate it being source consciousness.

You could begin to have an experience
that will eventually, if you stay

with it long enough, you will
pop open to the real experience.

Yet there's a fine line between what's
real and in what the mind is making up.

And it's, it's, uh, and, and I'm only
saying, I'm only saying this because

I've had these experiences where.

I thought, oh, I'm having this experience.

Oh, I'm having this experience of oneness.

Oh, I'm having this
experience of stillness.

All these experiences that
I thought, oh, this is it.

And then I've also spontaneously
opened to, to the real experience of

being in that, that isness or source
consciousness or in that state of oneness.

And when I'm in those real experiences,
I know the other ones are not it.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Because the mind
completely, completely shuts off.

There is nothing in your mind
describing the state that you're in.

Michael: No commentary.

Audree: There's no dialogue, there's
no commentary, there's nothing.

It's so remember when I was
in, in, we were in London

Michael: Uhhuh.

I remember that.

Audree: And I woke up

and my mind was absolutely,
absolutely shut off.

It was the strangest experience.

It lasted three days.

I've also, when I was in India,
I lost like two weeks, like

I don't remember a thing.

And then finally one day I,
I woke up and I was like, oh,

I'm gonna go take a shower.

And my roommate looked at me and
she was just like, oh, that's

good 'cause you haven't showered
in like almost 10 days, Audrey.

And I was like, what
are you talking about?

And she's like, you've been in this state.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Like I did not know.

So yeah, so anytime you're sitting
and you're meditating and you're

like, oh, this is peaceful.

Oh, there's the stillness.

Oh, I'm expanding out as stillness.

That is not it.

And it's a good start.

Michael: Hmm.

It's a very good start.

I'm reminded how, uh.

Uh, well, it reminds me
of two funny stories.

One story's about myself where
I, I'd gone to India and I was

feeling so much more peaceful
than I ever felt in my whole life.

I thought, oh my God, this is amazing.

And I was feeling like, oh my God, I feel
like I'm a, you know, a, a, you know,

Buddhist monk sitting on a mountain side.

That's how peaceful and calm I am.

And this friend of mine looked at
me and said to me, no, you're not.

Like, what are you talking about?

You're still really crazy.

And I'm going like, huh?

I wonder if that, and I'm like feeling
into it and I go, oh, and this has been

so true of this whole journey is we have
no idea what the calibration scale is.

So every time we get to what is our
peak state, we think, oh, this is it.

And so the problem is not that you
don't know the calibration scale, the

problem is that your mind is making
the story of, oh, I've made it.

It, I've reached it, and
you go, oh, I've made it.

I reach it.

And you believe that story.

So when you believe the alternate story,
which is you have no idea where you are

on your journey, and there's much more
out there that you don't know, when

you held that as your basic premise,
then the journey unfolds beautifully.

I mean, that's where I've been.

It's like, wow, I think I've
made it, but I, I have no idea.

But, and then of course I haven't, right.

You know, or, or there's another
stage of evolution beyond that.

It's just what, what happens in our
physiology is that when we go from

level, let's say level, you know,
one to a hundred, when we go from

level, you know, five to level six,
it feels so much better, right?

You know, level six feels 10
times better than level five.

We think, oh my gosh, I've made it.

I remember this time where one summer
I got to a state where I was, this

is like many years ago, I got to
a state where it was 10 times more

peaceful than I ever felt before.

And then a few months later I went
another 10 times and then, then a few

month later I went another 10 times and
go, then that's when I realized I have no

idea what I'm going to experience within
my own physiology in terms of peace, in

terms of, you know, experiencing source
consciousness or the infinite or my

belief about that, or is I have no idea
where this journey is really taking me.

All I know is that it's getting
better and better with each step.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

The, the, uh, the, the, the physiology
actually needs those peak experiences

because what it does is that every
time it does reach a peak experience.

It could be for a second, it
could be for a couple seconds.

Um, you know, in India
they used to say the.

How to determine what state you're in
is how long can you hold a, a silence in

your mind with no dialogue whatsoever.

And if you can hold, they say, if you
can hold it for 15 seconds of complete

silence, then you're enlightened 15
seconds, which is not a long time.

And it is a long time.

So.

What happens is that when you do have
that peak state, even if it's for a

couple seconds or even a half a second.

What happens in your mind is
that there's a shutoff in the

neurotransmitters of your mind, and
that's where the rewiring happens.

Like your brain is like, is, is, is, uh.

Moldable.

It's pliable.

It shifts and it changes.

Michael: Has neuroplasticity.

Audree: It has neuroplasticity.

I couldn't think of the word.

And so what happens is that when you're
in these practices over and over,

like practicing the piano, your mind.

Your brain, yes, physically and chemically
starts to attune to those peak experiences

where the old neurotransmitters will
shut off and new transmitters will

start to, to, uh, wire up or or to form.

And what happens over time is that
the brain will begin to change.

And the more it changes, the more
opportunity you will have to have

those spontaneous experiences.

So while.

Uh, a uh, that state of isness,
we call it isness or that state

of enlightenment or that, that

Michael: isness is just a better state.

'cause

Audree: it's,

Michael: it is what it is.

Audree: It's neutral

Michael: and it's neutral.

Yeah.

Audree: Yeah.

Or I would, I would call, I
would call it a peak state that.

The, so the more you have the practice,
what you're doing is you're fine

tuning your physiology and all that.

The, the material, the chemical, then
you're attuning your energetic anatomy.

Then you're fine-tuning your,
your intention to bring your

whole entire system online to.

Uh, to create the most optimal
environment, to have those spontaneous

states, those peak states, that's why
you continuously do the practices.

The peak state itself is spontaneous.

There is nothing that you can ever do.

To have that experience or to create
that peak state, you could just create

the optimal environment within your
own being and your own system to then

be able to invite that,
that experience in.

And at the same time, you know the
paradoxes you are that already.

It's just that we have been on this
habitual, you know, wheel of duped into

believing we deserve eternal punishment.

I know you hate when I say
that, or you just made a face.

I don't know if you need to
sneeze, but it's like we've been

in this habit of self-sabotage.

We've been in this habit.

Of self hatred and it's very, very deep.

And so we're wired for that more
than we're wired for the peak state.

Michael: Right.

So, so just to disambiguate terms here,
we're not, we're not talking about mind,

mind is a much more complex subject, which
really relates more to consciousness.

But let's talk about the brain.

The brain is a physiological, biological
computer component of your operating

as a, as a being of consciousness.

And so what's happened is, uh, and you
can go back to the movie, the Matrix

four, if you watch that, he says, you
know, you know, Neo, you're hooked bad

on whatever they've been feeding you.

And you know, we gotta break, but you
gotta break through this addiction, right?

Mm-hmm.

And that's what's going on is
that your, your, your brain

is, is in a, uh, deviated, low
frequency brain operating state.

And so what these peak states do is they
provide a mechanism for the brain to

the neuro processor, the brain, to be
activated for that rewiring to happen.

So that's what the, why we
call it a purification process.

There's a purification of your physiology,
all the deeply held energetic structures.

Part of it is a rewiring of your
entire physiology, including your

brain system, and these peak states are
what allows that rewiring to happen.

And, you know, this is, this is why
there's this, you know, notion of,

well, if I, if I get these peak states,
that'll support my re rewiring process.

The clarification we wanna make
at this point is that rewiring

process is not the whole thing.

There's other things that are needed.

That are part of the whole journey.

Audree: Oh, like high vibrational energy,

Michael: high vibrational energy.

The knowledge to be able to
put into daily practice, like

all of these things are needed.

The,

Audree: the getting rid of the
pledge of Allegiance that you

have to those lower states.

We're

Michael: not gonna go through the,

Audree: I'm just saying that

Michael: the 20 different things
that are needed in addition,

Audree: there's like,

Michael: so, so, so there's this,
there's a lot, there's this mistake in

understanding, certainly I'm not gonna
name any communities here, but that's

all that we need is we just need to
access these high vibrational frequency.

Oh yeah, we could add
grounding to the list.

I mean, without grounding you're hosed.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Yeah, so, so these are
all these things that are needed

to actually go on the journey.

So that's where there's been
a confusion with older systems

of understanding of like, oh, I
just need this peak experience.

I just need to have this, you
know, plant medicine, or I just

need to have this breath practice,
or I just need to do this.

And it's nowhere near enough.

It's part, I mean, those elements
can be achieved in other ways,

which is what, what we do.

Oh,

Audree: you wanna tell the
story about the rishis?

Michael: Oh, that's a perfect story.

Audree: You tell us your story now.

It is my story.

So I was, um, I was
It's such a good story.

Yeah.

So I was taking a course, um, about.

About awakening, like all
the different ways to have

Michael: a new age course of an awakening.

Audree: Yeah.

All the different ways to, um,
to shift your consciousness into,

Michael: based on Vedic tradition.

Audree: Yeah.

Based on Vedic tradition.

So, so there's 10 methods of awakening.

I am not gonna go into

Michael: it.

Oh wait, I'm gonna explain Vedic.

So Vedic means ancient India for

Audree: people who, yeah.

Or eastern philosophy.

'cause it was a, it was
a, actually a mumbo jumbo.

It was like a a like, we're gonna
teach you to facilitate breath

work practices for awakening.

And we want you to understand what
all the different traditions have

been teaching about awakening.

Michael: Right.

Well,

Audree: and awakening is.

The journey towards enlightenment.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Okay.

And so that's Eastern philosophy based.

It brought in some modern practices.

We went through all different types of,
you know, the history of breath work.

We went through the
history of plant medicine.

We went through the history
of um, uh, uh, Raj Yoga.

We studied all these different
teachers and their philosophies.

It was a great, great.

Course,

Michael: it was a good course even.

Audree: Oh my God, it was so good.

I took it four times.

That's how good it was.

I just, I loved it.

I had so much inspiration
and insights and awareness.

Um, that's where I, um, we, you know,
we stu not studied, studied, we touched

on all these subjects lightly, I would
say lightly, but enough to understand

Michael: and get, and get
downloads that took us beyond.

Audree: Yes.

Um, and so.

Michael: You are telling the
story of the seven rishis?

Audree: Yeah, so, so in this course
they told the story of the seven Reiss.

So the seven rishis
were, um, in, in India.

They were seven sages or saints
that were masters, um, in

studying, you know, meditation and
consciousness and, and enlightenment.

And they met Shiva.

The story is like, it's, it's in, in
India and probably all over the world.

The misconception is that these gods
are metaphors and in India, these

gods were actually real physical,
physical beings that were in, you

know, India at a certain point of time,
thousands and thousands of years ago.

And so, uh, they went
to Shiva because Shiva.

Was completely enlightened.

He was a being of higher consciousness.

My guess is that he was a,
he was not from this planet.

He, you know, um, so they, they
seven guys went to Shiva and they

said, please give us your knowledge.

We wanna be enlightened too.

We wanna be beings of
higher consciousness.

We want what you have.

And so he said, okay,

I will give each one of you a method
of enlightenment or how to shift

your consciousness into a permanent
state of higher consciousness.

And so he gave each Rishi a different
method, a different method, and he

said, now I want you to go study
and practice with this method.

Until you've reached a permanent
state of enlightenment.

Michael: It was like a
hundred years or something.

I mean, they lived longer then, so

Audree: yeah, so, so each, each Rishi
went off on their own and practiced

what they were given by Shiva, and they
came back, all of them came back like

84 years later and said, I've mastered.

This, I've mastered the practice.

I've reached a permanent state of
enlightenment and you know, my, my

tradition is the best tradition.

And that's just the story of the rishis,

Michael: right?

Audree: That's it.

Michael: So, so that's the story
and that's the foundation of

pretty much all vedic knowledge
in India for thousands of years.

That people go and revere and say,
this is the sacred knowledge and.

Shall not be altered
and cannot be changed.

And there's nothing beyond this.

Yeah.

And so on.

Now, now let's just pause the story
and move to the mo movie Arrival.

So then movie arrival.

Um, we're not going to tell you the
story 'cause it's a very, it's a very,

very powerful, um, movie of awakening.

We specifically recommend the
one who wakes version of it.

Um.

When you watch this, one thing
that comes together is that you

know, everyone's given part of the
solution and that the solution only

unlocks when they come together.

And so in a similar way with the story
of the seven Rishis, the technology

that they were given of awakening only
unlocks when all the pieces come together,

Audree: right?

Michael: So each of the seven Reis.

With this understanding, we're
not each given a complete method.

They were given a fragment that
had value on its own, but the

power comes together when all seven
of these methods come together.

Audree: So here's, here's what happened.

Michael: The ego,

Audree: no, so, so, okay, so let's
back up for a minute because I ended

up having a mystical experience
while I was studying this work where.

I don't know if I was in meditation.

I don't remember exactly what
happened, but, um, I do, I have a

very strong relationship with Shiva,
um, from being in India and it was

a spontaneous connection and it
continued and it continues to this day.

Um, well, we're, so Shiva
came to me in this mystical.

Experience and said the, she, the,
the Rishi story is not complete.

Michael: She va she,

Audree: oh

Michael: my God.

Oh God.

God, you, we never got
that till right now.

Audree: Holy shit.

Michael: She va it then the she

Audree: the whole Wait, just, just stop.

Just stop.

I'm freaking out.

Michael: My whole body's tingling.

Audree: I'm gonna be sick.

Michael: Oh good.

Audree: Hold on.

Holy shit.

Michael: Whoa.

If you wanted confirmation
that you're on the right path.

Audree: I'm speechless.

I'm gonna cry.

Oh my God.

Michael: About a minute ago,
I was getting very curious.

It's like, well, wait a second.

Like, you know, the information from
Shiva, from Audrey's connection has

been profound and fundamental to the,
the j the technology we're sharing

with the world for an evolution

Audree: consciousness.

How, how get our information.

Michael: Yeah.

It is like, it's like some of it
is like, you know, fundamental

constructs that we're using for
this evolutionary process and I'm.

Well that seems strange 'cause we're
getting the information from the she.

So why is there stuff from Shiva
and I, I just left it alone.

This was a minute or two ago
and then it popped in my head.

Oh, she Shiva.

Audree: Okay.

The guides that I have been working
with mystically since the 1990s, if not

longer, it's just, they're called the she

and I.

Just be you just got, and then
you told me and I just got the

insight that the she that we channel

and she va

is the same.

Holy fucking shit.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: It's crazy.

Michael: Well, they also showed up,
you know, we saw that as the, uh.

It.

The, the called the she, they're pronounce
the she, but it's spelled city in Ireland.

Right.

And we saw that when we opened
that book of, of, of cards.

Audree: Yes.

The, the tarot cards that I use,
the tarot cards I use all the time.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Since I was very, very young.

Yeah.

Michael: So, so this is not,
so this is kind of, for us,

this is kind of like, okay,

Audree: we keep getting these
come, these weird confirmations.

Michael: Well see the thing is, you know,
if you look at it, I mean, you know, the

other day we were having this channeling
session and then the, she's were saying,

oh yes, well, we're speaking to you
through this, you know, this YouTube.

Whatever tarot person that you listen to.

Oh yeah, of course we are.

'cause you're getting these, we're
giving the, and the person saying

these things that makes no sense to
them, but they're saying it anyway.

Audree: Right, right.

She, she's like on YouTube saying,
I don't even know why I'm getting

this information right now.

And she's spitting out this information.

It's

Michael: you, Audrey.

Audree: I was like, oh my God.

And then, anyways, it, it's just, okay,

Michael: so, so the
information's all there.

Right?

Audree: It's, it's always there.

It's all there.

This is just like.

Spontaneous, crazy making.

This is how like these profound
awarenesses and insights just

pop in like this and it's just

Michael: right, and either you're
totally crazy or there's a much deeper

reality than there under the surface.

Audree: Yeah.

Okay.

Michael: We're going for
door B, by the way, folks.

I think you've figured that out,
that this is a deeper reality in

the service that we're not aware of.

Audree: Okay, so to finish my story.

Having this mystical
conversation with Shiba.

And he About

Michael: the Seven Reiss.

Audree: About the seven Reiss.

And he goes, it's not finished.

And I, I'm like, what?

I don't even know what
he is talking about.

And he is like the story
of the Seven Reiss.

And I was like, okay.

And he said The seven Rishis came to me.

After all this time and each one of them
thought that their method of in to the

path to enlightenment is the one and
the only one, and theirs is the best.

Michael: Not only that, each
of them thought they were

finished on their journey.

Yes.

Which is what we just said earlier
in this audio as the biggest trap.

So the seven rishis were in the same trap

Audree: Yes.

Michael: Of the ego Yes.

That we talked about
earlier in this podcast.

Mm-hmm.

So that's how long all of humanity
has been caught up in the trap.

Audree: Yes.

For

Michael: all time

Audree: and thousands and
thousands forevers of years.

Okay,

Michael: so we're talking about breaking
out of the all time trap, right?

That's been there forever.

Even since the seven Rishis.

I mean that's,

Audree: can I get through the story?

Michael: No.

Okay.

I'm torturing you.

Audree: You are.

' Michael: cause it's fun.

Audree: Thank you.

So, yeah, so they, so they came to Shiva.

They said that their practice and
the method that they were given by

Shiva is the best, and they are,
they reached a permanent state of

enlightenment, and they are done.

And they all started bragging, no mine's.

Mine's the best.

No mine's the best.

No mine's the best.

And so Shiva said he just sat
there and watched them and

knew none of them were ready.

They did not ask, and they
did not know that they weren't

finished, and he said, Audrey,

the finish was that each of them then
had to learn the other practice, that

they weren't complete on their own.

Michael: Oh, they needed
self-mastery, and we heard that before

Audree: and they needed
self-mastery and you need.

Michael: All

Audree: of the methods of
awakening, you need to master all

of the practices, not just one.

And he said the reason why is
that at some he goes, he knew.

At some point in time on the planet, you
will need all the methods of awakening.

And now there's seven rishis.

But the thing is, is that
there's 10 methods of awakening.

And so the three other methods of
awakening are built into each, each

method by it's a transmission of high
vibrational frequency from the teacher.

That is needed within each practice.

Oh, I'm getting tingles on my head.

Within each practice.

That is a, uh, transmission of
high vibrational frequency that

activates the practice to complete
its efficiency towards permanent.

Shift of consciousness or into a higher
state of consciousness or enlightenment

that's directly downloaded
from Shiva right now.

Michael: Or the she

Audree: or the

Michael: she, as they say.

So that right there would be the, uh,

for anyone who listens to this,
who's practicing Vedic knowledge

and believes it's complete.

As an invitation to consider a
bigger world and going beyond

Audree: and truthfully, like right now,
you can tell it's so, and everybody knew

this, that it was at some point in time
it was gonna get so bad on the planet.

That the energy, the vibration was gonna
be so low that you're gonna need practices

and moment to moment self mastery.

Like are you gonna go sit in front
of a guru or somebody that's in

a high vibrational frequency?

All the time, are you
gonna go live your life?

You need to go live your life.

You need to like, you can't.

You can't just depend on one person
in one practice, in one thing.

And, and I think that, that,
that is what we've been coming

to for a very, very long time.

We've been going to this master, this
master, this master, this master.

We've gotten our own information
like our, the information.

You know, we've, we've actually
dropped what we've learned

and what we've been given, and

Michael: some of that
was really hard to drop.

It's like, what?

Audree: No, no, no.

I'm saying that we've been, we've,
I, I like dropped evolutionary

energetics to go study in India.

Mm-hmm.

To go study with other masters to, to say,
oh, well they must have more information.

You know, this guy was
Indian and he, you know.

Michael: Well,

Audree: he, he, you know, it's true.

It gave practices to very famous
people all over the world.

And there's, you know, this, this,
this organization is very prevalent,

very powerful, all over the world.

Or this master, you know, doesn't have a
lot of, a lot of devotees, but, you know,

he's, the, the information and the the
transmission that he has is very powerful.

And this one over here
and that one over there.

I, I'm, I'm open enough to say, okay, I'll
stop what I'm doing and I'll see what,

what this other thing is, and, but I've
always come back to my practice because.

Uh,

not because my practice is the best,
but it's part of, that's why we

always say that like evolutionary
energetics is part of a larger system.

What we've developed with be
evolutionary in that technology

is part of a larger system.

It's like we've, we've completed
this circle through our own, our own

Michael: experiences, right?

We need to study with
the different traditions.

And, and kept the complete,
that's, I think that what is

really about this complete system.

That's one thing that I was the one
who was like really lazy and it's

like, oh, well, I, I, I feel like
I'm happy with the tools we have.

These are really good.

And you'd go learn something new.

And I'd be really annoyed.

I remember this is like many years ago.

And then eventually I'd go, wait a
second, she's onto something here.

And then, and then I, then I
was just like, following you.

And then at one point it's like, okay,
let me lean into this other stuff.

And I started moving beyond, you
know, where you were in terms

of your position of leaning into
other traditions and discovery.

And the reason that happened for me is
like, well, I just wanna know what works.

And it's like, oh, no.

Single tradition has everything.

And every tradition has something
where there's a, there's

a truth, truth and a lie.

And so if I triangulate across all
these things and listen to my, the

guidance that's coming in, I can, I can
transcend all of these different systems.

And that's what happened, right?

And that's what happened through
our own process of saying,

yes, I'm ready to move beyond.

Yes, I found something extraordinary.

And I'm ready to move
beyond to seeing what else?

I don't know.

Audree: Right.

Well, well, the moving
beyond always came back to.

Um, first of all, e evolution
energetics is the only way to open

up your entire energetic anatomy to
harness high vibrational frequency.

So we already had the very thing that was
needed the whole entire time, and, and

Michael: there were missing
pieces on the whole system,

Audree: right?

So then, you know, for me, I was,
um, spontaneously guided to go study.

Deeper in another tradition.

And when I did, you know, during
those initiations, I was standing in

the room with the teacher, you know,
just with a, a prayer to open up the

energies and the every single being

came into the room.

And I started seeing where the
lineage actually came from.

And at the same time, I'm just
noticing, and I was like, does

anybody else see what's going on here?

You know, and, and then studying, you
know, for a couple years in the, in this.

In the, the deeper work of
this one lineage and tradition

that I was guided to study.

I thought, oh, I'm supposed
to go to teacher training.

But the truth was that when
I totally dropped, okay, I am

not doing teacher training.

After a couple years, I'm
gonna continue with my work.

Then I spontaneously downloaded.

It's 1 0 8.

I spontaneously downloaded the E
two mantra, minding my own business.

I wasn't looking for it.

I think that's what you
have to understand here.

It's like we have never been
seeking this information.

That's why we don't even
know how to market it.

We don't know what to do with it.

We don't know how to
tell anybody about it.

Like we're just sitting here in
a flipping living room talking to

each other and like it's, we're

Michael: seeing the information, our
own personal growth and transformation.

Audree: Exactly.

Michael: Let's be clear here, like I
was trying to figure this out not to

to, to, to teach it to anyone, but
for my own benefit and maybe for some

of the few advanced students we had.

Mm-hmm.

That was it.

Audree: Yeah.

Yeah.

Michael: And there was no attempt to
kind of build this integrated, coherent

path of evolution for, for humanity.

I mean, that was, that was
a, that was a non goal.

Audree: Yeah.

It's like we're non seekers,

but the seeking is over.

Like it is over, over.

So.

So what I'm trying to say is,

Michael: yeah, we're, we're, we probably
should be closing because I gotta

Audree: get go, is while each,
each tradition or each lineage

has its validity, um, it's also
over time been watered down.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: And so it's been
diluted by the human mind.

It's been diluted by the, the construct
that was actually within the deviation in

the, in the deviated codes of knowledge.

Michael: Well, there's a whole other
podcast we could do here, which is

talking about how throughout the ages,
tradition is actually the enemy of,

of a shift in consciousness and how
tradition was established primarily

through marketing practices of how do
I make this more popular to people?

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: In all religions.

Um, and I've done this, you know,
detailed analysis worldwide of

different religions and scene.

This, this effect happening.

So tradition is actually the enemy.

Any structure, any tradition,
any, oh, this is how you do it,

is actually, uh, the opposite of
moving beyond those limitations.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: So we will go to closing now.

Anything more?

The final words?

Audree: Good luck out there.

Michael: What is it?

Hill Street Blues.

Let's be careful out there.

Audree: Hill Street Blues.

Let's be careful out there.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Discernment.

I think, I

Michael: think, I think it's
just saying yes to the journey

is back to the choice to evolve.

Audree: It's yes to the journey and, and

Michael: yes to going beyond
what you, you know now,

Audree: and the mind is a trap.

And

Michael: trusting the mind.

Yeah.

Audree: Trusting the mind is a trap and
it's, and it's also a paradox because

we're gonna come back to the same thing.

Over and over again.

It is a journey about the mind,
which is the ego of consciousness

that is creating your reality, and
it's about the transmutation, the

healing, and the transformation
of this aspect of consciousness.

What you're doing is you're
bringing it back into wholeness.

You are, you're, the whole entire
journey is about healing that wounded.

Hurting aspect of being
that thinks it's separated.

Michael: Right.

And that's the conscious side.

And then there's the brain and the
physiology, bringing that into alignment

with the truth of what you are.

So then it's the

Audree: energetic aspect of it is
bringing that into wholeness and online,

fully open and functioning, which it's
been shut down for thousands of years.

Michael: Yes.

So it's all of it.

Audree: So that's what it is.

It's, it's all of it.

It's,

Michael: this is the complex machine of
biological consciousness that you are,

Audree: and guess what guys?

We don't even know all of it because
we're not given all of the information.

It's like this is, this is the unknown.

It's like unknowable because in our
human construct we could not fully

comprehend the mechanics of creation.

You have to go.

Michael: Yeah.

So,

Audree: so we are gonna end here.

Whoever's listening,

we're just talking to ourselves.

But it's so good.

I love these conversations.

I

get

Michael: you're, you're three, five.

Audree: I get so excited, like I
start the day like not feeling awake

and alive, and then we have these
conversations and I just perk up,

Michael: remember why you're here

Audree: and I remember why I'm here.

Cool.

Michael: Okay.

Let's begin the E two mantra transmission.

Just tune to the frequencies.

Thank you for joining us.

Let's be evolutionary.