B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Michael: Now we're recording.

Audree: Oh,

Michael: okay.

So

Audree: you're very formal.

Michael: I'm structured.

That's the

Audree: way it is.

I know.

But this is an unstructured podcast

Michael: and it has structure to it too.

Audree: Honey, listen, I described
it on the website as intimate

conversations in our living room.

Michael: Okay.

Alright, so it That's true.

So what I was sharing, and this is what
triggered starting the, the recording.

Was, uh, Audrey recorded this advanced
process, which we'll probably only

share with people in the academy.

I dunno if we'll share it publicly ever.

It is very advanced and it's what we call

Audree: it knocks me
out every single time.

Yeah,

Michael: it's what we call the isness
process and it's really bringing

us into the isness or the truth of
what we are as source consciousness.

And, uh, okay.

Before I go, my insight, I'll give
a little bit of a backstory here.

So what happened is, uh, we've been going
through this training program with the

she, which is of course is the context
we're in, uh, for, for the evolution.

And we're just kinda the pioneers bef
going before everybody else goes to

get everything ready and trailblaze.

Um, and this is the path
that's available for everyone.

So what the

Audree: Well, and we test everything out.

We just don't receive information.

We test out and then share it,

Michael: yeah.

Audree: On ourselves first to see if

Michael: we actually have to live it.

Otherwise, we're not allowed to share it.

Audree: Are we crazy in just getting
this guidance or is this stuff real?

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Yeah.

That's what we,

Michael: so, so the, the phase of
evolution, you know, you can call it

step, you know, 398 of the journey.

We wanted to put it in a linear sequence.

Uh, is about,

Audree: well, evolution is ongoing.

There's no like real, truly an
end game, except it just shifts.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Like we talk about
game one and game two.

Michael: Yeah.

So, so at this stage it's, it's about
moving into the isness, moving into the,

the, the nosis of the knowingness that
we are source consciousness incarnated,

and have that be our living reality.

Audree: And we call that game two.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: Because we
describe it in the book.

Michael: Okay,

Audree: so I'm just trying to,

Michael: yeah.

Okay.

Can, you're interrupting.

Calm down.

Audree: Trying to make structure.

Michael: Lemme finish.

Audree: I'm so bad at structure.

Okay, I'll stop.

Michael: So that, that's the context.

And so within this context, I started
getting this download of, okay, well

if that's the, the guidance and the
instruction of being in the business.

Let me, let me just kind of, I, I started
automatically, I don't know, getting this

information or downloading the sequence.

Of this process, of script.

And then I shared it with Audrey, uh, the
first time it knocked her out completely.

And the second time I shared it,
she actually got, we actually

got the whole way through it and
that knocked her out completely.

And then so we realized, wait a second,
there's something going on here.

So we said, well, why
didn't we record a script?

Not to share with anyone,
but just for ourselves?

And then so, uh, I think it was the next
day we went in the studio and recorded it.

Audree: Well, I rewrote the script.

Michael: Oh yes.

You see, so Audrey doctored
up 'cause she's a master at.

Processes and so on.

Audree: Yeah, that's my, my thing.

Michael: Yeah.

It's definitely her thing.

And so then, then we recorded it and, uh,
produces if we were producing it, uh, for

public consumption with music and so on.

And so we've been listening to it when
we go to bed at night and, uh, wow.

So that's what happens.

That's the context.

So then what happened last night is I
was listening to, and Audrey had a line

in there that, uh, that really sank
into my awareness and opened something.

Which was that the isness?

It's the isness of the awareness.

The awareness of the isness.

And so what, and this is the, the,
this is what I wanna share with you.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: We can finally get to that point.

Audree: Yay.

Bizarre

Michael: is that the isness can really
be experienced from the place of the

separated mind or from the place of just
pure awareness and what was happening.

As I was stepping into this experience,
was experiencing really from the, from the

more from the mind as, okay, there's some
isness and I'm connecting with the isness.

Audree: Right?

I feel the isness, what I feel
the, the isness feel like.

Michael: Right, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it's really, and so then I, then
I was going, well, wait a second.

Isn't the isness just my awareness?

And what if that were true?

And then I started exploring that, and
then everything just opened up because

then I realized what I was experiencing.

As awareness, I was experiencing
my own being as awareness, and

that's the profound awakening.

So then ever since that, that moment,
there's this profound difference

in my experience of everything.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: And I can experience
everything from this awareness

that's aware that it is

Audree: awareness.

Michael: It is awareness that
awares, it's aware of its own isness.

We can call it that.

And at the same time, that awareness
that's aware of its own isness is

incarnated in this physical body
that's speaking these words now.

And so there's this, it's really part
of this larger system of, of creation,

which is the, the, the complexity
of what does it mean to be source

consciousness incarnated in human form.

Audree: So there's many teachers
that kind of try to get to this.

There's Muji tries to get to it.

Um, and he does a really good
job 'cause he, oh, he has a

Michael: great exercise
with, you know, leave you

Audree: Yeah,

Michael: right.

Audree: Oh yeah.

Leave your ego at the door.

Yeah.

Come in, you know, and it's

Michael: beautiful.

Audree: And, and it's, you know,
you get into this place of just

quiet stillness and it's like,
you've never been born, you've never

died, you never have been sick.

You don't have a form.

Michael: No beginning, no end,

Audree: no right.

No, no birth, no death.

Yeah, so, so he has this beautiful,
beautiful way and, you know, I'm

Michael: experiencing it Yes.

To get a taste of it.

Audree: So, so what's interesting,
so we're kind of gonna go into

the, the guru thing for a minute,
but it, it's like the, there's

certain people that have had these.

Uh, have had enlightenment or
awakening where they hold the

transmission and they can transmit.

What's interesting, um,
just a side note about Moji.

So we actually, in the beginning of, of
our academy, we would use his technique

'cause he just started giving it.

It was like he was kind of
giving these sat songs, talking,

talking, talking, talking.

I'm just assuming he realized he was
just talking to the mind and all of a

sudden, and this is like a few years ago,

Michael: this is like probably
like five years ago now.

Audree: Five years ago now.

Yeah, maybe

Michael: more.

Audree: Um, he, he, all of a
sudden he started doing this

process and I was like, oh my God.

Finally, like finally he just
kinda stopped talking and started

bringing people into the energy.

And it, and it really, really beautiful.

So we would give that to our students
to try to get them into stillness

and it was, it worked really well.

The same thing with Joel Goldsmith.

We used to use Joel Goldsmith or have
our students listen to Joel Goldsmith

'cause he was doing the same thing.

He had more of a religious
context, which is kind

Michael: Christian religious context,

Audree: even though he was Jewish.

So that's funny.

Um.

And it would trigger people.

And, and Oh

Michael: yeah, I remember that.

Audree: Oh yeah.

Michael: Well actually the
Christian, some of the people,

really Christian people loved it.

Audree: Uhhuh Uhhuh loved

Michael: it.

Yeah.

Audree: But the people who were actually,
they were Christian, but they were

offended by it in either, you know, there
were a few people in, in different ways.

They were offended by it, and.

And he was getting to the same thing.

I, I and the father are one.

I and the father are one.

And if you keep doing that, at
some point you realize that you.

And the father are actually
one, you're the same thing.

You're not anything different.

Um, and at the same time, we kind
of backed off from using those other

teachers because we found the purity
of our teaching to be very powerful and

we were actually holding a transmission
through our own evolutionary process.

So we kind of, we, we kind of dropped.

Using other teachers in, in our teachings.

Michael: Right.

And then it was only later that
she confirmed that was the correct

thing to do because those were all
created in the time of the deviation.

Audree: Yes.

Michael: For holding a higher
frequency during the deviation, not

for actually exiting the deviation.

And so we go, oh, that makes so much
sense in, in retrospect, why we're

making the choices we're we are making.

And

Audree: yeah, I'm like, should
I share my fun fact about Joel

Goldsmith or should I just,

Michael: no.

Audree: Okay.

Yeah.

I have a very deep
connection to Joel Goldsmith.

Mm-hmm.

And I've had a lot of awakening
from listening to his audios.

Yeah.

And, okay, so I'll share my
experience about the process.

Michael: Wait, I feel like I'm,
I'm, I'm not, I'm listening more,

I, I wanna say so just hold off.

No, there's something
right there, which is,

yeah.

So what's going on for me
right now that I, I feel.

Called to share

is the context.

And the context is really that when we
stop trying, then things can happen.

And that while effort is required,
especially in the earlier stages

of the journey, we're at the point
where it's letting go of everything,

all trying, all efforting, which is
from the mind and and so on, so that

we can be in the flow of creation.

And I think for me.

The thing that's very clear about
this point in evolution is that

all the work that came before
it to prepare for this point.

Mm-hmm.

So it's not like 10 years ago I
could have just listened and had this

idea popped into my consciousness
and I'd be there and I'd be done.

Like, it's not like that, the,
the, you know, there, it just

simply wasn't possible that there's
been a, a series step by step,

and this is what our guides say.

They've taken us through gates,
they've taken us through upgrades,

that there's been a very specific.

Design crafted evolution program to not
just reach peak states of consciousness

or enlightenment so on, but to live in
that state incarnated and our physical

body living in the intention of our
incarnation, of why we're here to exist,

which is a very, very different thing.

It's a much, much higher goal than, you
know, we call it mere enlightenment,

and it's a very, very different thing.

It's actually.

Fully embodying our incarnation purpose.

Audree: Well, it's all it.

So in the beginning of this journey
of evolution, it's an evolution

of consciousness that impacts not
just your mind, also your body.

And then it also is the
thing that shifts reality.

So in the beginning.

It's, it's a lot of efforting.

It's a lot of learning.

The mechanics of creation and
having the knowledge and the tools

and techniques and not just that.

Then making the choice over
and over and over again.

As you're walking through your life and
things come up, are you gonna choose to

stay in the low vibrational frequency
or the high vibrational frequency?

And to get to the high vibrational
frequency, you have to use a tool.

So there's, there's.

There's, I would say, not minimal effort.

It is a lot of effort.

A

Michael: lot effort of hard self-mastery.

It would, because there's
nothing else other than

self-mastery that exists for one.

Audree: Well, and what happens is
you're, you're fighting your own self.

It's the resistance within your own being.

It's,

Michael: it's the egoic conscious aspect.

Fighting with itself, actually.

Audree: Exactly.

It's crazy making actually, when
you really start to notice it, so.

Within that journey, we kind of,
we in, in trying to teach this

to people, Michael has been very
meticulous about what are the steps.

Because that's his, he's
got the G of planning.

So it, and, and

Michael: designed for structure,

Audree: but, and it's perfect for
what we're supposed to be doing.

And I've been fighting it the whole entire
way because I'm so, like, not structured

and I sit in my, my resistance and, and
even though I have all these mystical

abilities and I got all, I have all this
information and this teaching, it's like,

oh, why do I have to sit in meditation?

Oh.

You know, here I'm in a charge.

Well, you know, f that I'm
just gonna go be in my charge.

You know?

And it, and, and, and so

Michael: it's true.

Audree: It is.

That's why I say your discipline and
your structure is so good for me.

And what we do is we call this game one
just to explain for people to, to like.

Comprehend what is happening.

'cause if you don't know what's
happening, how do you have control?

And it's not like control, like I'm
gonna grab this control and feel safe.

It's more like when you know what's
happening, you have a deeper awareness

and you have the ability to make a choice.

And so when you're moving on
your journey of evolution, this

choice, it's not just one choice.

Oh, I wanna evolve now.

I'm gonna take this class.

It's moment to moment.

What are you choosing?

And it's that story.

What wolf are you gonna feed?

But it's like, what are you gonna choose?

Are you gonna choose to evolve in this
moment, or are you gonna choose to stay

in the lower vibrational frequency?

And there's no right or wrong,
it's just a matter of choice.

And so what's happened with us
is that together, we've been

on this journey for nine years.

I mean, that's a long time.

And we individually have been on
this journey independently for

many, many, many years before that.

I know for me it was at least 20 years.

So it, it, it just like

over and over and over again.

And what we have been told
by our guides is that.

It's only a real choice to evolve when
basically they didn't say it like this,

but when the shit is hitting the fan and
all seems hopeless and you're totally in

your resistance and everything is going
wrong and you're, you know, and, and in

that moment he make the choice to evolve.

That's a real yes.

And so what we've been doing over and
over and over again is continuously

saying yes, continuously saying yes,
not knowing where any of this is going,

being hopeless, being broke, being,
you know, like tossed around, you know,

basically through the meat grinder.

Really not sure if any of this
is like, what are we doing?

Then all of a sudden things started
to unlock in a different way.

Unlock in a different way, unlock
in a different way, trusting the

process, trusting the process.

To the point now where I feel like
I'll go back to the game one, game two.

Game two is kind of like technically
enlightenment, but it's living

permanently or permanent,
higher states of consciousness.

It's not that game one ever ends, it's
just that you flip into into living

more, a percentage more of your state
of existence and walking through your

physical life in a higher state of
consciousness because those choices.

And we're still continuously being asked
or making the choice, but it's like

easier or something about we've made
this choice over and over and over again.

It's pretty obvious what we're
gonna choose every single time.

It doesn't make it easier, but

Michael: it well, it does make it easier.

So what's happened is, and this is
what's described, is as the mastery

progresses and the, the consciousness
evolves that there's a quickening mm-hmm.

That I, so, so right now I don't have
to go through all the different steps

of, let's say, evolutionary energetics
of, you know, you know, invoking this

and blah, blah, blah, that, and I,
I can just, I can just breathe it

into it with just pure awareness.

An understanding of what, what's going on.

And it has way more, way more, it
has more impact with less effort

as, as a way I could describe it or

Audree: Right.

Michael: Or things just
dissolve instantaneously.

It's, it's a very different, and so what's
interesting right now is really the most

of what's going on with Audrey and I in
our journey is a physical purification.

It's actually just a very
physical detoxing of all the.

The, the frequency structures
that are in the body.

Audree: So that's what I wanted
to say about that, that isness

process that you, you know,
created or downloaded or whatever.

What I noticed immediately
is why I got knocked out was

it's a nervous system reset.

Like an advanced nervous system reset,
because what happened when I first

heard it, when you first did it with
me, my whole entire system shut down.

And I know a week before that

I had source consciousness.

I was feeling it in my body for
the very first time in a way

that I've never felt it before.

So there was, there's been
this evolutionary journey.

Step by step that this happened.

That happened and then you got this
process and then we started using it

and now I kind of use it to fall asleep
because it's like such a deep nervous

system reset, like my whole entire
system, just completely, lets go.

Michael: Well, you, you know,
so my realization, so we're

so doing this research on a.

On a physical device to sense
what is our state right now?

When's it, when am I getting triggered?

How is my state changing
throughout the day?

How do using practices change that?

And the big discovery is
I've been really lazy.

On the days where I'm being very
intentional and I'm leaning into the

practice, I end up in a higher state
of consciousness in a higher state.

Of functioning within my, being
on the days where it's just like

a normal workday and I take normal
breaks and I, you know, do get clears

once in a while and I do a reset.

Those are okay.

They just, there's a gentle fog.

But in the days where I don't,
it's like, it's like there's a

very significant downward trend.

And so what I'm seeing here is that,
oh, this data's really helpful for me

'cause it's like, oh, I need to be doing
these mini, mini, you know, grounding

e two mantra resets that, that we have.

And the, the realization
connected with this, this isness

process is, oh, I need it.

After I finish doing that, I need,
I, it is time to go through the

isness process and anchor that in.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Right.

Because that's what I was doing on one
of the days where I, I was just using

that again and again 'cause it just
got downloaded and I was using that

again and again throughout that day.

And that's what made that day so stable.

And so I'm realizing, oh, this is
what the, she said is this is our

next accelerator for her evolution.

And so I'm thinking, oh, I'm
gonna run the experiment today of.

I'm gonna use it and see what happens.

Audree: Yeah.

So in order to function permanently in a
higher state of consciousness, there's a

lot of purification that needs to happen.

'cause it's not just psychological and
in your mind, but it's also, it's a,

it's a physical purification process too.

And when you have the tools
and techniques to do that.

Then you're supporting that process.

And there's something that's interesting
is that there also needs to be a

rewiring in the brain, and I think
there's a lot of teachers and kind

of science behind brain rewiring
and that the brain is neuroplastic,

so it, it changes and there's been
MRIs and, and scans that have shown.

Meditators that when they're in a
meditative state, the brain is changing.

And so a lot of what we did in
India was that brain change.

And what happens is that there needs
to be an influx of very, very high

vibrational energy to be able to shift
the physical matter of your brain.

And so that is what creates those.

Not just a peak state.

That peak state itself is actually
creating the brain change.

And so what I'm talking about a
peak state is that when you're in

a higher state of consciousness.

On purpose that there, there's a, there's
a brain shift that happens and the more

you have those peak states, the more
your brain begins to shift, shift, shift.

It's a slow, it's kind of a slow
journey, but there, then there's

a tipping point where, where the.

The, the rewiring actually begins to
happen and then you can hold these

permanent states of consciousness.

Michael: Right.

So that's what I was seeing
yesterday for the first time looking

at this, uh, physiological data.

Mm-hmm.

Is that I was seeing is that our
pro, the process that we have

are transformational process.

They're not feel good process,
they're transformation.

And what happens when someone starts
using it is that there's an activation.

Which pulls one up to a
higher state of consciousness,

Audree: the peak state, with

Michael: a more, with a
more coherent heart rate.

Mm-hmm.

And what happens is the, um, the
conditioned aspects that are being,

that are being purified, pull us back
down and there's this tug of war.

Mm-hmm.

And so we saw, with this one channeling
session we had for the first 30 minutes.

This tug of war was going
on with my physiology.

Audree: And you could see it in the

Michael: device.

We could see it in the data.

In the data.

In the data.

I could see it in the data.

Mm-hmm.

And then after that, my
whole system stabilized.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And then it elevated
for the last 30 minutes of the

session and I could see it all.

Audree: Wow.

I didn't know you had that data.

Michael: There's so much going on.

I mean, like I know I
can't keep you up to date.

Audree: You're in the lab.

Yeah,

Michael: I'm the lab.

There's

Audree: no lab coat, by the way.

Michael: Yeah.

I owe you a lab coat.

Audree: Shameless.

It's

Michael: true.

So.

So this is what I'm saying.

So, so it actually is transformation.

What we can see physiologically now
for the first time is physiologically

how the system is getting rewired.

And the other thing that's
going on, and I probably haven't

told you about this either.

Audree: Oh good.

Michael: Is that what we're Good

Audree: thing we're doing a podcast.

Michael: What we're actually looking
with this, these measurement, these

measurement technologies are both
the activation and functioning of the

autonomic nervous system, which is our.

Sympathetic and parasympathetic,
which controls our vagal response

and our fight or flight, and
whether we're triggered and so on.

And also our, our central nervous
system, uh, which is an independent

system, and some of the signals we're
using have been verified with research

that they operate independently
because they've given people drugs.

That, you know, settle one system
and anyway, so, so anyway, so

this is very exciting research.

So, so what happens is we're showing
the link between the central nervous

system and the autonomic nervous
system and how they're both going

through this rewiring process.

Audree: Pick me,

Michael: Audrey.

Audree: It sounds like the
masculine and the feminine.

It sounds like the duality of
the universe, the life force

energy and the structure.

We have two different nervous systems.

Michael: Well, in terms of, or

Audree: the nervous system
has two aspects to it.

Michael: Yeah.

It's like, it's more like the A, A and S.

The autonomic nervous system has the
sympathetic and the parasympathetic.

The sympathetic is not sympathetic.

It's the one that goes into
fight or flight and takes action.

Audree: It has no sympathy.

Michael: It has no sympathy.

Where the sympathetic one
is called parasympathetic

Audree: because para means higher.

Michael: Oh, is that what it means?

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Oh, well they're actually not

Audree: because like the ham, Joti, parum.

Michael: Oh, anyway,

Audree: Joti.

Higher light.

Michael: Well, it's not about higher
or lower, it's about being in balance.

And so, and this is what we've
seen, it's not about, so right now

everyone's in this massive stress
activation of a vagal activation, right?

That's why people love
breath work and so on.

'cause it takes that down and.

So what's going on is we want to come
into balance, but the only way we can

come to balance is to pull that, that
vagal response, that overactivity,

that struggle, that, that, you know,
gotta do this gotta, gotta, gotta

Audree: fight or flight survival mode.

Michael: It's not just that,
it's wired into our beliefs, it's

wired into our pattern behavior.

So that's why we need to, it's,

Audree: it's wired into
our social functioning.

Yeah.

Michael: Go, go, go, go, go, go.

Oh

Audree: yeah.

Survival.

Survival, work, work, work.

Pay bill, pay bill.

Michael: And people go, wait
a second, this is not working.

They go for a nine day a post
nursery, they finally feel better

and they go back to life and then
everything goes back to usual.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

' Michael: cause they don't have the tools.

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Anyway, so that's really,
anyway, so, so what we're seeing is

the, the, the measurements of both
functioning and what, and this is, and

do

Audree: they, do they co become coherent?

Michael: Well, see this is the part where.

Um, where I'm, I'm, I don't
have the causality change.

I know that if you do deep breathing,
that kind of, that hack into the

autonomic nervous system does
impact the central nervous system.

We know that, right?

Mm-hmm.

People feel quiet and settled once
they do deep breathing, right?

That's why we do baker breath and so on.

And what I do know is that what's
happening with my breathing that's

extraordinary is when I reach
these peak states of consciousness,

my whole system just goes.

And the whole physiological
physiology just settles,

Audree: right?

The body just goes,

Michael: yeah.

The body just goes po

Audree: like a balloon.

Michael: Yeah, like it's just like

Audree: deflating,

Michael: which is like, if you want to
think about what psychological safety is,

Audree: okay, you're
not doing it now though.

Michael: Psychological safety
is, that's psychological safety.

It's only in this peak state
that we fully, truly experience

it, where the mind is quiet.

We're not trying to do
this or struggle or,

Audree: yeah.

Michael: Oh,

Audree: and so as a normal
human being, we are constantly

in a fight or flight response.

24 7.

Michael: This is what, this
is what I'm working with here.

'cause I'm looking at medical
research day and they say, well

this is normal, human, normal.

And I'm going, well, yeah.

You know, in my analysis, human normal
is deviated is under a huge amount of

fight or flight stress every single day
and not operating as we're intended.

We're talking about moving to
a, a functioning within our

physiology, within our central
nervous system, within our brain.

That's so far above.

I mean, super.

You know this book super.

It actually is superhuman, right?

That's when all of our cities come online.

Audree: Right.

It started, so these, by the way, are
a, an Indian terminology in techniques

of having, seemingly having, uh, like

Michael: psychic powers.

Like

Audree: Yeah, superpowers.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: But it's like slowing
down the breath, being able to

regulate your body temperature.

There's other, there's like
very physical aspects to it.

Michael: Well, it, it started even for
me, I could actually feel into my, my.

My, my autonomic nervous system, I
could actually feel it directly just

through sensory awareness, which
that's never happened for me before.

Audree: I think.

'cause you're, you're, you
have really deep awareness and

then you could see the data.

You're seeing data in real time

Michael: and I'm focusing my attention
on it and, and, and like paying

attention to it and then suddenly
the information kind of pops open.

Yeah.

Audree: Yeah.

So, you know, we talk about.

Self-mastery and shifting
or creating our reality.

And I think that the whole entire, for
me, my whole entire journey, um, started

off with how can I be more successful
because I have to support myself?

That's where it really started,
and noticing that I was in a lot

of pain and suffering and nothing
was working for me, and so.

What we have been learning is
the way to shift your reality.

And people talk about like jumping
into the vortex and, and doing

all this work because our mind,
our thoughts create reality.

But what needs to happen before any,
before you do any of that, is that

you have to reset your whole entire
system into a, into a stillness.

Like they talk about going into the
void for creation and how do you,

how, how do you actually do that?

And then not just moment, you know,
not just while you're sitting down to

meditate and then you get up and you go
about your day, but it's actually not

being triggered by your life experience.

And right now life experience
on this planet is a shit show.

So how are you supposed
to manage your state?

Because we're talking, it's
an energetic frequency and

it's a physiological response.

Mm-hmm.

And all that because our whole bodies are
an organic computer that's a transmitter

receiver or receiver transmitter,
whatever, however you wanna call it.

Like we are just responding.

To the environment and allowing
the environment to take us out.

So we talk about taking full
ownership and responsibility because

you're being taken out of the game.

If life is a game, you are
being consistently taken.

Over and over and over again.

And at some point you have
to take full ownership and

responsibility and make it a choice.

Moment to moment.

Michael: Or not.

Audree: Or not.

Or allow life to happen to you.

Yes.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree: But you're still
creating that life too.

Yes.

Michael: Oh yeah.

So I wanna talk about creating,
creating our own life experience

or creating our own reality.

I like creating our life experience
better 'cause it's more precise.

And jumping in the vortex and
so on, and all of that is true.

I want to just clarify all of what's
you're, you've been told about jumping

the vortex and holding the attention.

It's all true.

However, there's a missing
piece of information.

It's like you're being given
instructions to ride this bicycle

and the bicycle's true, and the
instructions are true, and you can

go on and ride this bicycle, but the
bicycle's connected to a 10 ton weight.

With a solid chain.

And guess what?

And that's welded to the bike.

That is your subconscious,
that is your conditioning.

That is your wounding, your manifestation.

You're jumping.

The void is going nowhere.

It with that 10 ton weight and

Audree: well, you're only gonna
jump into a vortex or, or manifest

Michael: with that 10 ton weight.

Audree: With the 10 ton weight.

Michael: Yeah.

So, so, so that's what we're saying.

It's like it's all true.

However, your measly little
intention on your bicycle is nothing

compared to the 10 ton weight.

And that's the, the challenge
we're going through 'cause we're

looking at the, the 10 ton weight is
embedded in your energy energetics.

It's embedded in your physiology.

It's reflected through your conditioned
behavior systems, reflected through

your conditioned belief systems.

It's conduct reflected through the,
the distance you have between what

you're incarnated to be and do and
how you're actually living your life.

All of that is a 10 ton weight.

And what's needed, and this is what
this is, what our work is about, is

how do we start chipping away at that?

How do we start working away?

Oh

Audree: no, we don't chip away.

Okay.

We are what is the fastest,
most accelerated, easiest path?

'cause not only are we
lazy, we want it now,

Michael: it's more like, how do
we loosen the chain so we can

get some motion on our bicycle?

No,

Audree: it's like

Michael: at the start, at
the beginning, it's how do we

get some slack in the chain?

Audree: It's

Michael: so we can
actually get some motion.

Audree: It's, where is that?

That chain cutter?

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: So we could steal the bike.

Yeah.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree: That's more what it's like.

Michael: Yeah.

I don't have a good
metaphor at this point.

I think the metaphor broke.

It was just, it was just a,
a one-off for the vortex.

I know.

Audree: Well, you know, can, can
we talk about something that's

been, that's been kind of hovering
in my field for a little bit?

I sent you that email

Michael: mm-hmm.

Audree: From that

Michael: organization?

Organization.

Audree: Mm-hmm.

From the founder of that organization.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

That

Audree: I haven't read yet.

Oh, you haven't read?

Okay.

No,

Michael: no.

I.

I usually those sit for a while.

Audree: Um, uh, you know, okay, this is
coming up too because I wrote about it.

Um, I was working on a chapter
for evolutionary energetics.

We're, we're kind of cleaning
it up and editing it.

Michael: No, we're entirely
cleaning it up and editing it.

Audree: We're rewriting it.

Okay.

Um,

Michael: it's only, it's
only the eighth time.

Audree: Yeah.

So we're talking about, so in the book
we're talking about these discoveries

that we made with evolutionary
energetics and our evolutionary

journey, and what we have been finding
for the last nine years is that.

Uh, that all the, the kind, the
kind of evolutionary journey

techniques that are out there now

have been built.

On past assumptions that the ancient
texts were correct, that the information

was correct and, and that it's

Michael: correct for this time.

Audree: It not only just correct
for not just that, but the

techniques themselves are correct.

And so all these teachers are basing all,
they're, they're kind of like rehashing

ancient techniques such as kundalini
breath work, such as, uh, energetic

healing and chakras and all these things.

They're basing it on these assumptions
that all this information has been

correct and it's one and done.

There's no evolution.

And what did you say?

And it's perfect for this time.

Michael: It's correct.

For this time,

Audree: correct?

For this time.

So the one thing that we kind of
have been noticing is that the

information that we have doesn't match
up with the information that we were

being given from other teachings.

Michael: This started a long time
before ago for me where I'm going

like, okay, well this teacher with
us saying this, this teacher we're

saying is this, I learned this other
thing over here and these like,

how do these actually all line up?

And then when I started
that process, what happens?

Sometimes there was a synthesis, but
usually what happened is there was

a, there was a transcendence of those
limited perspectives into something else.

And that's what, that's
what's been happening with us.

Mm-hmm.

Either through our own direct damage
or direct instruction from the,

Audree: the sheet.

Well, okay.

Should we talk about
the details in the book?

I'm not gonna go into it.

I, I'm just gonna, at a high level,

what am I trying to say here?

Is that,

what am I trying to say?

You

Michael: were talking on this thread
about how the technologies of evolution

that people are proposing for people.

Are actually just gonna keep them
trapped and looping and not actually

fully

Michael: helpful.

Audree: Right.

So, so when we, when we were, when
we were given the guidance about the

deviation and what has actually been
happening, it's not just for humanity,

but it's, it's like this aspect of
all of creation kind of separated out.

When we started having that
understanding, everything made sense.

And the guides were saying everything
that was created in the deviation

for an evolution of consciousness

was cr, I mean, it was
created in the deviation.

I feel like I'm repeating myself,
but all those techniques were created

inside of the deviation only to
maintain, uh, a certain level, a higher

level of consciousness than what was
the deviated aspects of creation.

So how do we maintain and survive?

It was like a survival based,
survival based techniques just to

survive in the deviation and hold
a higher state of consciousness.

It wasn't until the deviation ended
that we, out of the, we were liberated

out of this looping consciousness
and can fully pull ourselves out.

And then we had the guidance too that.

The reason why the, the information or
the work that we were developing, we were

developing it for being outside of the
deviation when we finally had the ability

to permanently let ourselves out of these
energetic, psychological, physiological.

Holding an imprisonment that the deviation
was, was kind of creating for us.

Michael: So what, what I got when you were
saying that is a simple metaphor is those

are really like a treatment or a relief.

They're not the cure.

Mm-hmm.

The cure has not been available
until, until this time,

Audree: until the deviation ended.

Michael: And it wasn't even meant for
anyone to have the cure until, until now.

Mm-hmm.

Like the technology wasn't there,
the frequencies weren't there.

It wasn't possible.

The deviation, deviation had its hold.

So it's only possible now that, um, this
complete purification is possible and

that everything before is really about,
okay, here's a method for treating it.

Mm-hmm.

So we take away some of the, the
pain and some of the difficulty.

Audree: Right.

So, so what's happening with this
article that I read or email that I got

was, was this talking about AI and new
technologies and, and how, you know,

it was, it was more about saying how
AI is gonna take over the workforce.

And nobody's gonna have a job, and we're
gonna have to go into universal income.

And it was like fair base, fair
base, fair base, fair base.

Oh, take my course.

So you could, you know, manage your, you
know, your state of consciousness mm-hmm.

To be able to survive through
this ai, uh, dominated society.

Hmm.

Michael: And that's what we do too.

We have a fear.

Ba no, no, we don't.

We we have a different message.

We, our message is you
are source consciousness.

You are that.

Now, if you choose to evolve, great.

And use these tools, great.

If you choose to return, do nothing.

And, um, when you're incarnation ends,
go back to source and enjoy that route.

Great.

Like it's all perfect, like
there's no wrong choice.

There's no right choice.

It's just that you are creating what
you want and are sovereign in that.

Audree: So, and going back to the
whole survival mode is that that is

activating a fight or flight response,
or not even activating it, intensifying

it through your ego at consciousness.

And so for me, the red flag is.

Why would I wanna learn
something from a teacher?

I, I'm just, you know, it bothers me.

Speaker 3: Well,

Audree: that's, that's, I guess
I have a, I have a charge.

I'm, I'm very protective of humanity.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Audree: Enough is enough.

Enough is enough.

Like to, you know,

how do we, how do we.

Move into self mastery and create
our reality if it's still from a

survival mode structure, you know?

I'm doing this to survive.

And while that's a natural aspect of,
of kind of the physiology of human

beings, of any species, all species
have a, uh, an inherent built in

mechanism for survival of the species.

And at the same time, that's also
within the deviated and distorted

codes of creation like that, that is.

Unnecessary.

Now, you know, to be honest, there's
so many humans on this planet.

We're overextending our need
for survival of the species.

To a point I, and I've even said
this before, that it it, or.

Maybe the guide said it a couple days
ago was that there's, um, there's a

weakening within the genetic structure of,
of humanity that is downgrading humans.

So we're not, we're not functioning
at our fullest potential.

And so survival of the species you
wanna survive at your fullest potential.

You know, but this whole thing about
trying to survive to begin with

it is, is, you know, is this false
aspect of the egoic consciousness

that thinks it needs to survive.

And I know even tying this into
the evolutionary journey, there are

these moments where I just wanna die.

Like, I'm like, I can't take it anymore.

Oh yeah.

Michael: Those are, those are fun.

Audree: I feel like I'm going to, I feel
like I'm dying and then my post, I'm

Michael: not bringing this work out to
the world, or I'm gonna bring this work

out to the world, then I'm gonna die.

Audree: Then I'm gonna die.

Michael: I, I So many variations.

Audree: So, so what, so what's happening
is, is that the part of us that's dying

is the part of us that we're transforming.

Transmuting healing, transforming.

It is dying.

We're shattering.

That's the evolutionary journey is
to shatter all the old structures and

then you're in this weird space of
nothingness, but out of the nothingness,

then the new structures grow.

And what the scary part is, the
part in the middle, and that's

when I talk about the part in the
middle is like, you have no idea.

What's happening?

You have no idea what you're gonna
become, you know, like a smoker.

Well, what am I supposed to
do when I don't, I, I can't go

outside and have a cigarette.

You know, how, how am I gonna relax?

You know, you have to, there's a,
there's that in-between kind of

moments where you're, you're just
like, I, I don't know who I am

anymore without having a cigarette.

I usually wake up in the
morning and I have a cigarette.

I mean, it's kind of weird 'cause a
lot of people don't smoke anymore.

But it, it's kind of like if you look at a
certain habit that you have, like for me,

I watch YouTube at night to kind of relax.

My whole entire being, it's like, well,
how would I, how would I get sleepy if I

don't watch YouTube or, or read a book?

Like, it's like these weird habits
that we have to kind of, you know, do

something and we've done it for so many
years over and over and over again.

If you take that away, if you take
that structure away, what's next?

Michael: Oh, do you know
what structure, when,

Audree: what?

Michael: That hasn't been
there for like a week or two.

Audree: What?

Michael: That used to be
a common part of her life.

Audree: What?

Michael: Watching movies in the evening?

Audree: Yeah,

like I can't even watch a movie anymore.

Michael: Well, it's not even that.

It's

Audree: like I've been
watching Ancient Aliens.

I've been doing research,

Michael: like right now,
I am so excited about.

Being alive and being in the lab.

It's like, yeah, I, I gotta, I
gotta, I gotta like, I gotta say,

okay, I gotta take a break now.

Oh, I gotta go eat now.

Okay.

Like, it's like this
is what I'm navigating.

There's so much passion and
excitement for what I'm doing is.

Like the, that that excitement is so
profound and so profound and powerful.

Like it's, now I gotta come into balance.

The other way of looking after myself is,
which, which is what I shared earlier.

I gotta make sure I'm taking those breaks.

So,

Audree: right.

So the

Michael: maintain a high,

Audree: so this structures change,
the perception changes, the behaviors.

Michael: Everything changed.

Audree: Everything changes.

Like even for me, I come upstairs and
I start working on the book again,

and now I'm working on the book until
10 30 and then I, you know, yeah.

So, yeah, things.

So this is interesting because
I never understood this.

In India, they would say when you
have a shift in consciousness,

everything changes effortlessly.

You're not.

Trying to do anything.

Michael: I'm not trying to do anything,

Audree: right.

It just effortlessly changes like
you, you just effortlessly grab the

apple instead of the potato chips.

You effortlessly want to be in that high
vibrational frequency, so you choose

to use whatever technique so you could.

Remain in that higher state of frequency,
or you notice you become aware of the

drop in frequency, the drop in your state,
and then you, and then you just want

to be in a higher state of functioning.

'cause the lower state of functioning
doesn't feel good anymore.

When you're out of it, you notice.

You notice when your state
drops so much easier.

And your recovery is quicker.

I think even in your research,
the data is showing that Oh,

yeah, your recovery times are

Michael: very fast, fast, very fast.

Just from some very preliminary
data with some, yeah.

Some baseline, um, study information.

You know, what's coming up for me though,
is even though I, I, my body craves that,

that, you know, that elevated state.

The dopamine hit from doing work
and being in the lab is so profound.

It's like, it's like when I was, you
know, many, many years ago, decades

ago, playing video games and got,
you know, got this kind of addiction

of, oh, I'll just play another round.

Kind of like that kind of
thing, that kind of energy.

And so it's not that it's so, it's
really just that dopamine that feel

good, or the dopamine is so high of
like, oh, I just had another discovery.

Oh, I just, it's like, oh.

And they're like, oh, I
wanna do the next thing.

It's like, you know,
it's like so powerful.

Mm-hmm.

Um, that, that's where I've been
trying to find, find this equilibrium,

and again, is to mitigate.

'cause I never experienced that level
of dopamine in my system before, really,

Audree: because you're
in your life purpose.

I'm in

Michael: my life purpose
in operating correctly,

Audree: right?

So

Michael: in my life purpose,

Audree: I mean, they, they describe
it as when you're doing what you

love, it doesn't seem like work.

And so what's happening is
your whole entire system comes

into alignment and it turns on.

Like fully on.

Michael: Right?

And this is a rapid shift.

I mean, this was like, you know, from,
hey, you know, maybe you should be in

the lab to like, um, it was actually,
there's more strong guidance than that.

Um,

Audree: that was two weeks ago.

Michael: That was two weeks ago.

And then there was kind of slowly
dipping my toe into it, and then

I got deeper and deeper into it.

Now I'm in it and I'm like.

Like not looking back.

It's like, oh, Audrey, you
want help with the other stuff?

Uh, okay.

That's correct.

Okay.

I'll come and help you.

Right.

But even, even that, even like
working on parts of the book felt

really good, like the traditional

Audree: evolutionary math,
oh, I'm working on the book.

It feels so good.

Michael: Ah, yeah.

Audree: I'm so excited.

I even thinking about working on the
book book, I feel the dopamine hit.

Michael: Okay.

I wanted to say one thing of
the book, since we're doing

an open thing here, is that.

You can go really deep.

However, you're not pulling me enough
infrastructure is what it feels like.

So I'd like you to experiment
with pulling me a little bit more

Audree: infrastructure.

You asked me to finish all the edits.

Michael: I okay.

I, yes, I did.

And what I thought was that, was
that most a one day project, right?

And now we're on day five, but,

Audree: but honey, what takes you
one day would take me five days.

Michael: Right.

So, so,

Audree: so just, just,

Michael: anyway, so, so we should probably
have a conversation to see where you are.

How much more time is it revisit?

Audree: I'm almost, I'm almost done.

Almost

Michael: done.

Yes.

Famous, almost done.

Audree: No, I am, I'm really,
truly, I'm, I'm almost, yeah.

I'm, I'm just going through everything
and if for me, it feels really good,

Michael: actually, that's
your process anyway,

Audree: that's my process.

Michael: Okay.

Audree: Got it.

My process.

My process.

Michael: You're deep.

You go through everything.

I'm shallow.

I just flit around and

Audree: yeah, get the

Michael: gist

Audree: and, and things
are much easier for you.

And your brain works

Michael: it, it does work for, in

Audree: a different, very, it works

Michael: fast.

Like I scan the information,
slow down where I have to, and

then I'm onto the next thing it,

Audree: yeah.

And I'm like, I'm like reading this
going, oh, this is really good.

This who wrote this?

This is really good.

Like, yeah.

And it needs, it does need a lot more
structuring like even now, um, I realized.

That there's a correlation between
the deviation and our solar system

moving to towards galactic center.

Mm-hmm.

Um, that is allowing, uh, the
shift of consciousness for humanity

because we're moving towards
that high vibrational frequency.

So it makes sense that the
deviation would also be ending.

Michael: Yeah.

We say that in the book.

Audree: I don't remember.

Michael: Yeah, it's

Audree: in the deviation.

So that's the other problem I have
is that I read something that's

whole point and I don't remember it.

Michael: That's the whole point
is 'cause we're in the fifth

dimensional frequency now.

Audree: I know.

Michael: And the deviation has
been ended, which is these are both

structural changes that are avail,
that are available and we're moving

towards the six dimensional frequency.

So it's not just, there's the
possibility of it, there's

the necessity of it because.

Um, cosmically.

As we move to Galactic Center,
we are moving towards the

six dimensional frequency.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Cosmically or structurally
with the mechanics of creation.

Score consciousness is done with
the deviation experiment and

it's pulling the plug on it.

Yeah.

And so it's like

Audree: over,

Michael: yeah.

It's like move, you know, it's
time to move to the six dimensional

frequency, purify it through, through
the fifth dimensional frequency

into the six dimension or the
sixth phase of universal frequency.

And you know, that's,
that's just what's on now.

It's on the menu.

It's like, Hey, it's snowing now.

Or, Hey, it's raining now,
or, Hey, it's sunny now.

This is just the menu
cosmically energetically.

Structurally within this universe
of what's happening with, in

experience on earth right now.

Audree: All right.

So when you go through the book, you
just make sure that the structure is

there and it says what it needs to say.

Michael: Yeah.

Anyway, so yeah.

That's, that's already done.

Audree: That's not my job.

Or

Michael: maybe it's just implied
and we don't spell it out.

Audree: That's what I mean.

Sometimes it's things seem implied.

Well,

Michael: I think it's obvious.

And then, you know, PE people might,

Audree: it's not obvious.

Spelled

Michael: out, not it

Audree: needs to be spelled out.

Michael: Okay.

Well, we should, we should close,

Audree: yeah.

Okay.

You

Michael: wanna do three minutes?

Audree: Yeah.

Michael: Anything more?

Audree: No, I, I think that these
podcasts are really good for my process

because when I started I kind of
felt like, and I get excited talking

about evolution and, and the work
and our process and it enlivens me.

So, um, I'm really grateful.

Michael: Well, I'm noticing we talk about
things that we don't talk about otherwise.

And it also, um, brings us back into
alignment of, of the greater work, right?

Because we're, we're busy with
our own process, our own work,

and we're not always connected
in with the, the, the core thing.

This is just

Audree: marriage counseling.

'cause we have an
opportunity to communicate

Michael: Uhhuh.

Yes.

Very good.

All right.

Let's take three minutes.

Just, uh, just tune into the frequency.

This is actually probably
the most important part of

the whole podcast right here.

Audree: Exactly.

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