B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Audree Tara: What were we talking about?

Michael: You wanna ask
your question again?

Audree Tara: I don't
remember what the question

Michael: was.

You're asking about why is there such
deep self hatred within ego consciousness?

Why would anyone create this?

How could God create this?

Audree Tara: I, I asked why would
source incarnate into the physical form

and then ha experience self-hatred.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

In such a profound,

Audree Tara: in such a profound way.

Michael: Right.

So then

the answer is, and this is super
cosmic, like the answer is very,

very clear, is that within the
creation of this universal construct,

it was designed in a way that the
creator consciousness that's operating

and creating within this universe.

Is in an experimental experiential
learning program and that there's

a wide range of possibilities
for what it could do.

And it was known there was the
possibility for what we call the

deviation, where there was a decision
for, uh, I'm not gonna go into what

the deviation is, but a decision to, to

Audree Tara: separate,

Michael: create the
perception of separation.

Attempt separation or create the,
the, the illusion of separation so

that it could create on its own,
independent of, of source consciousness.

And so what happened is while it
was known that could happen, it was

understood that even if it were to happen,
that there would be experiences and

learning that would come through that.

And so while there's an understanding that
that might happen, there were measures

put in place that if that were to happen.

What the recovery procedure would be to
restore back to the original intention

if there was somehow a deviation
and the experimental program had

this, this, this, this aspect to it.

Audree Tara: Right?

But what we're talking about is humanity,

Michael: right.

Audree Tara: Was born.

Michael: I'm getting to that.

Audree Tara: Okay.

Michael: I'm getting to that.

And so within this, this deviation, what
we happened is, is conscious beings.

Entered the deviation where the, uh,
they moved out of creator consciousness,

you know, source flowing through creator
consciousness in a deviated form of

the creator consciousness, which we
understand as the ego consciousness.

And from that place started operating
from scarcity, fear, separation, this,

this, this loop of consciousness.

And so while we don't know what
happened to, you know, any other

sentient beings in this universe that.

Uh, participate in the
deviation from that perspective.

What we do know when we get to
humanity is humanity was created as

a, a slave race by the, the ruling
aliens or gods of this planet.

And that's the whole kind of
genesis story and and so on.

And, and so the whole.

Point of what I'm getting at right now
is that humanity was born into slavery.

It is like all, it's like look,
almost word for word within the

matrix is humanity was born into
slavery, and that's all that it's

known for, its entire existence.

Audree Tara: Right.

So that's what I was saying was that
it just seems like humanity has now

become the oppressor, like humanity
was born into slavery and oppressed.

And now there's freedom and
humanity still chooses to

oppress and suppress and enslave.

Michael: Well, that's
how all of this started.

We were talking about perceptions of
certain nations and behaviors of nations

and how nations function and so on.

And what I realized is that the
self-deception with an individual,

there's also a collective
self-deception at the level of nations.

And that while all human beings at
a, at an individual level have, you

know, moments of, you know, living
in alignment with higher principles

or higher consciousness, higher
vibrational frequencies, there's

also moments of lower frequencies.

Audree Tara: You know what I'm
realizing too is yesterday last,

Michael: the

Audree Tara: same nations, then last
night we just watched Black Panther.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: And Black Panther
was all about that very thing.

Mm-hmm.

It's the oppression of a race of people.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: And, and how, you
know, in Wakanda they had been,

you know, protecting their race,
but not allowing anybody outside of

Wakanda to even know Wakanda existed.

Mm-hmm.

The way it empowered.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: And there was
that one guy that came.

His father was the Prince of the
King, and he wanted to not only

avenge his father, he wanted to
take revenge on the enslavement

of all nations African nations.

Mm-hmm.

And at the end, his rage, you know,
even the King of Wakanda is like,

we're, this is not who we are.

And yes, maybe we've made a mistake
because we have technology to

actually free all of humanity,
not just our race, but all races.

Mm-hmm.

You know, on this planet.

And he gives a speech at the end.

It's really beautiful at
the United Nations, he said,

we're one cell or one body.

I don't remember the exact words, but
let's start acting like it and we'll

share our technology to help you.

So.

It's very interesting that we're talking
about this now, and my question was why

would source consciousness incarnate into
physical form to oppress its own being?

Like the, the like.

When we get down to the root cause of
why we sabotage ourselves, we punish

ourselves, we feel we're unworthy, um, you
know, we, we create our outside reality.

You know, in, in, in such a, a, we are,
we're really oppressing our own being.

We're enslaving our own being by
limiting ourselves and then believing

or having that, that, that, um,

that denial that we're
doing it to ourselves.

We're blaming the outside environment.

So when we start to look inward.

Which was what I was doing.

I was just feeling this, this
very, very deep, hidden self-hatred

because if I see hatred in the outer
world, it has to be inside of me.

So I was like, okay, where is it?

And then I was feeling it all on the
left side of my body, and that's when the

question came, why would source do that?

And then you.

We started talking about

humanity was born into slavery and
it perpetuates that oppression and

suppression on its own species.

Michael: Right?

So, so let me just get back to
the, the story of, of, of creation.

Yes.

I think that's what it is.

So, so while it was
understood, this could happen.

This deviation may happen.

Mm-hmm.

You know, I think there were probably
think, okay, well, you know, certain

things could happen within that.

Right.

However, you know, this is, we're
talking about an experiment, which is

like a, like a self-guided experiment.

So there's no like, I mean, there
are boundaries on what can happen.

At a, at a, at a, at a universal level.

Audree Tara: Well, don't
she even talk about that?

That they needed to allow the

Michael: Right, so

Audree Tara: this, the deviation to
happen so they can learn from it.

So it they could adjust the codes of the
universe so it wouldn't happen again.

Michael: Exactly.

Right.

Or if there are deviations there,
there contained in the scope of

what can happen for learning.

So if we think about the whole act of
the deviation of just an experiment.

To see, Hey, what will
happen if we do this thing?

Right?

Audree Tara: Oops.

Michael: Oops.

Right.

And so, so what, what, what, what came out
through, through the various sessions and

has been shared with us by the she is that

that first of all was not expected
that a race would be created by

other beings in, in this condition.

And that's actually part of the creation
story where the gods were jealous.

Because you know when, when humanity
was created, I mean, it could

not be created absent of source.

Source is part of everything.

So they were jealous of the consciousness
of humanity, which is the same, the

Audree Tara: spark of divinity,
the spark that existed inside the

Michael: spark of source

Audree Tara: of human being.

Michael: Yeah, they're jealous
of that even though they have the

same spark inside of themselves.

But because they were in
the, in the deviated pattern.

You know, they'd, they'd
fall into the deviation.

They couldn't fully recognize that.

And not only that source took a
special interest in humanity because

of the, you know, it's like this.

Audree Tara: It was born into slavery.

Michael: It was born into slavery.

I mean, this has never happened.

So it's like, oh my goodness.

You know what's gonna happen here?

And so there was this special
attention and support of nature

that was there for humanity.

Yes.

Audree Tara: Immersing my hand.

This is also fascinating because right now
in writing evolutionary energetics mm-hmm.

I'm at the point where I'm writing
about the evolution of humanity

and what's happening, not just
consciously, but in the physical

body, and we're moving from this
dense physical form to our light body.

And the guidance has always been since
I received this information that.

If this has never been done before
in this universe, there, we've,

there's never been a species of beings

Michael: that started as physical.

Audree Tara: That
started as physical Yeah.

And have moved into light.

Michael: So light body phase two.

Audree Tara: Yes.

Michael: Outta the ego.

Phase one.

Phase

Audree Tara: one.

Michael: Let's just sequence things here.

Audree Tara: I know there's

Michael: no going to the light body
when you're in the ego of consciousness.

No, it doesn't work that way.

Audree Tara: So let's get back
to the ego of consciousness.

So let's

Michael: go

Audree Tara: back to, 'cause you're
talking about this, the loop,

Michael: right?

So, so now I'm going back to, and this
is what came up even as the, the, so,

so we're kind, we're in some ways, and
this is what it seems like for me in

these channeling sessions with the she
and the journey we've been taking on is

we're experimental Guinea pigs, right?

So it's like if you look at what's
going on in this universal creation.

Even the she, they say there's no
precedent for anything like this.

And what I'm noticing is even with them,
even with all their knowledge of creation,

it's an experimental process of pulling
us fully outta the deviation, fully

out of the, the ego of consciousness
into the sixth dimensional phase.

Audree Tara: You have to talk about the,

Michael: I'm gonna, I'm getting into that.

And so because of that, there's surprises.

That's why I, I, I just wanted
to set it up in a beautiful way.

Mm-hmm.

So there's surprises, and
one of the surprises that

came is the level of horror.

It's almost like the, the,
the egoic consciousness.

Let's imagine there's a thought
of self hatred, like, I'm not, not

good enough or, or not belonging,
or whatever that thought is.

And it's not like it's there once.

What, and this is what, where
I'm speaking about now is this.

This aspect of the I consciousness,
that's like an infinity mirror

that reflects back on itself again
and again and again and again and

Audree Tara: gets stronger
and stronger and stronger.

So

Michael: imagine this like loop,
this thought of self hatred, looping

around one time, 10 times, a hundred
times, a thousand times, 10,000

times, 50,000 times, 50 million times.

That's what we're unpacking.

And that's why if you've ever
tried to do clearing work, you

go, wow, this is really sticky.

The

Audree Tara: shadow work,

Michael: the, the shadow work,

Audree Tara: the e go work,
the subconscious work.

Michael: Or if you're further
along your journey, you realize

that everything you've cleared at
level one, you have to clear it

level two, and then at level three.

And then level four.

Mm-hmm.

And that any anybody who says,
oh, I looked at that already.

I'm done with that.

Doesn't understand what the evolutionary
journey actually is or what it entails.

And so that's what I'm saying, like
this, this, this fractal loop is

what Audrey was experiencing of
why would source do this to itself.

And then if we back out of this
whole story, now we say, well,

it's not like there was a choice
to create this exact situation.

What there was was a choice to
experiment and allow creation to unfold.

And to see

Audree Tara: how bad it could really get

Michael: and, and to learn
and to learn from it.

And so part of what happens, and
this will happen for all human

beings as they move into the sixth
dimensional phase or the sixth,

sixth phase of universal frequency, I

Audree Tara: would stick
with the fifth dimension.

Well, 'cause that's what we're,
that's what all of humanity is in.

I, I

Michael: just want to
clarify the whole journey.

Just let me finish.

Audree Tara: Okay.

Michael: Just, just wait.

Let me,

Audree Tara: okay, go ahead.

Michael: What's gonna happen then is
there's gonna be a data collection.

Of all the experiences of all
the, of all the, of all the

lifetimes in a neutral way.

And so what we're doing now in the
fifth phase, and this is relevant

for everyone, listen to this, the
fifth dimensional phase, or fifth,

fifth frequency is that we're, we're
still doing the data collection.

We're still using our awareness to
process it, but we're processing it in

the fifth dimensional frequency and.

That's what's happening.

And so all that, all that, you know,
shadow work or looking at charges or

what we call triangles is extraordinarily
valuable because that's setting you up and

is necessary steps towards self-mastery
to prepare you for the data collection.

When, uh, there's a movement into
the six dimensional frequency

Audree Tara: right, where
everything gets, gets wiped.

Michael: Where everything gets wiped.

Yeah.

Audree Tara: When karma's
being wiped clean right now.

The past is being wiped clean.

Michael: Well, so this is where it, it's
difficult to talk about these things.

'cause these are actually, and this
is the thing that is mind blowing

for me, looking back on this journey,

Audree Tara: is my, did I,

Michael: yeah, it's fine.

Audree Tara: Pause.

Michael: Oh, you paused it.

Yeah.

Oh, don't know why I

Audree Tara: had to sneeze.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree Tara: Okay.

Is it back?

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: All right.

Very good.

Michael: Um, so this is
where I look back, so.

It's, it, it is actually interesting.

So one of the things that I've been doing
since I started studying consciousness

with different teachers, and then we
started getting our own downloads and

getting our own information, and then
the channel of the sheet is that I, I

was building up this model and collection
of, okay, well this is how it all works.

And I knew this step by step and about,
I don't know what it was, maybe three

weeks ago, I gave up trying to actually.

Track it all because it was so vastly
complex and there's so many different

sets and stages and shifts and energetic
components and awareness components that

I stopped trying to track it and instead
to focus on my own journey because the

level of challenge on our own journey
got so intense that every energy and

every resource was needed for that.

And most of it's documented in these,
uh, in our, our channeling sessions

anyway, so it can be recovered when
it's needed for helping others.

But my point of this is that the level
of complexity of this whole journey is

so vast that we talk about concepts like
karma being wiped and things like that.

There's multiple dimensions and aspects
to it and phases to that structural truth.

So, yes, and it's complex.

I guess

Audree Tara: even in
evolutionary energetics, the

chakras no longer have color.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: Then there's the.

The karmic chakras are now we call
the Akashic Chakras, that there are

chakras within the energetic anatomy.

We found that store all the data from
all lifetimes of that incarnation being,

Michael: which is actually just a, well,

Audree Tara: it's just data.

Michael: Yeah,

Audree Tara: it's data.

It's ev, it's everything is recorded.

But there has been this.

You know, there's, there's been kind
of a hijacking of what that actually

means and good karma and bad karma, and
we're doing things to clear our karma or

things happen to us because of our karma.

There's been this, there's been a
manipulation of what that actually means,

um, on this planet so that there can be
organizations that actually use that.

Terminology and those concepts to actually
make you punish yourself or, or deem

you unworthy or, you know, I mean, I
know somebody that gives a lot of money

to Buddhist monks because the monks are
saying, oh, in your past life you, you

know, killed thousands of people as a
warrior, and now karmically you owe.

Humanity.

So build us a temple and
give us money consistently.

And that's what he's
doing to clear his karma,

Michael: right?

It's not, no, it's not the problem
of, of any specific religion.

It's the problem of the
ego and consciousness.

Well, this actually takes
us back to where we started.

Audree Tara: It's the
oppression and suppression

Michael: with, with, you know, I was
looking at, you know, Puerto Rico.

You know, being won in a war
that it looks like the US started

with a red flag explosion of
their own ship to start the war.

You know, is is the understanding
that I have looking at the situation.

This

Audree Tara: is how
this whole entire Yeah.

Michael: Which is because

Audree Tara: spread of conversation,

Michael: because Sun is going to Puerto
Rico for his spring break, right.

Audree Tara: Right, and so and so you
just happened to look up Puerto Rico.

Then you started talking about like
all the things that the US has done,

which I understand and I know, but
as a US citizen, I'm also noticing

this buildup of anger of what.

My country has done and noticing
at the same time that I hold

the consciousness of my country.

Mm-hmm.

And I could feel the,
what did I call that?

The indoctrination

Michael: mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: Of, of being a proud
American citizen and fighting for

freedom and liberty and, and how
this country was supposedly started.

Mm-hmm.

But then I could see all the,
the distortions in that story.

Of how, you know, the first peoples that
were here and how they were treated.

And then I look at, you know, you're
Canadian and the first nations of the,

uh, Canadian land were also treated
poorly and kicked out of their land.

So it's like this whole, like, it
doesn't make any sense, you know,

fighting for justice and, and
liberty and freedom and, you know.

Um, bring, you know, even on the
Statue of Liberty, bring me your,

I, I, I forgot what it says, but
it's like, bring me your poor.

Mm-hmm.

Bring me your, you know, it's
like, come to the United States if

you're being persecuted in another,
in your home country, come here.

The land of milk and honey and
in, in some aspects it's true.

You can start your own business here.

You can, you know, be educated there.

There is a level of equality.

You can practice your religion
without being persecuted.

And then there's a

Michael: sort.

Audree Tara: Deeps, there's a deep
seated hatred of people who are not

Christian, who are not white, who
like, you know, the, the Civil War

is still being fought in the, in
the hearts of man in this country.

And it's, it's bizarre.

Michael: Well, the realization I had this
morning about nations is that they're

just, the egoic consciousness with the
individuals just reflected the nation.

Right.

And so,

Audree Tara: so there's,
well, that's what REI says.

There's,

Michael: she says there's higher
vibrational frequency and there's

lower vibrational frequency.

And, you know, it's, it
is just the nature of it.

And then there's also this national
self-deception around national identity.

Mm-hmm.

Around.

Okay.

And so that, that's what's being utilized
to mobilize the nation, you know, for

declaring wars and, you know, for all
sorts of, and also for movements, for

good movements, for peace movements for.

You know, reconciliation movements
for, you know, and it can be used in,

in both lower and higher frequencies.

And we're just seeing that as a
fractal o of the, the actual of what's

going on with the, the individual.

'cause everything's just fueled
by the ego consciousness,

Audree Tara: right?

So looking outside at the environment, at
the country, at the government, at certain

people, you know what it comes down to?

Is that, that will never change if
we do not change our internal state.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Unless, unless we actually address.

So it's not about trying
to be a better person.

Right.

Trying to, you know, through
our intention and our willpower,

you know, be a good person.

'cause that's not enough.

Because what's required is actually
deconstructing the, uh, the egoic

patterning within our subconscious.

And that requires energetic,
it requires consciousness or

awareness based technology, that
that's what's required to actually

deconstruct to be that better person.

Just holding an intention to be a
better person, to do good in the world.

Um, really that's not actually in, in
the bigger scape, uh, fabric of things.

Changing the frequency
you're operating at.

I mean, the really, the most valuable
anything can do is to not care

about the world or anything else.

But to look after their own frequency
and through the, the evolution of their

own frequency, how they're functioning.

That'll be a benediction to everyone else

Audree Tara: because when you are so
interesting, fun fact, when you are

vibrating at a very high vibrational
frequency, that takes a lot.

It's not just your energy body,
it's also your physical form

and that like living on life

Michael: and, and emotions and you know,
all the mental stuff that goes with it.

Audree Tara: All of it.

But what happens is that.

You're also amplifying or magnifying
that energy that you are vibrating at.

So, and, and with the.

With the opening of the e evolutionary
energetic system, like what happens

with the energetic anatomy, when you
have more, you're opening your chakras,

you're amplifying that high vibrational
frequency, like you're purifying yourself,

you're amplifying your, you're vibrating
at a higher and higher frequency.

Your energy field becomes very powerful.

And

Michael: much larger

Audree Tara: and much, much larger.

So like I was reading that book on Living
on Light, when one person is living mostly

on Prana, I think it's, I don't, I don't
know if it's 40% or 70%, but they have

an energetic impact on 90,000 people.

And I know that our.

Our energy bodies, when it's
vibrating at a high frequency

and it's, and it's amplifying, it
can go out five miles, 10 miles.

Michael: Yeah.

So what I, so, so that,
that's interesting.

This is one of our research assignments
from, from the, she is to look at

living on light 'cause it's connected
with the, the stage that we're at

and what's needed for a process.

But what I'm getting at is that
you, that it's possible to access.

Living on like prana based, um,
feeding independent of consciousness.

And, and

Audree Tara: so,

Michael: so

Audree Tara: that, so I'm not
talking about living on light.

I'm talking about like what we're doing.

It's consciousness, it's the
physical body, it's the energetic

body, it's all of it together.

Mm-hmm.

That.

That magnifies and amplifies this
high frequency that's powerful enough.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: To I'm, I'm saying she
was just talking about 90,000 people.

I think it's way more, because
wan spoke of this too, right?

In India.

Michael: So, so what I'm getting is
there's a sequencing that for somebody

that's in the ego of consciousness
to attempt prana based nutrition.

Audree Tara: It doesn't work

Michael: well, A a, it's it, it's
torturous and incredibly difficult.

No, I think it is possible.

It is possible to, to make some progress
in that, even significant progress in it.

However, that's not going to
create a shift of consciousness.

Mm-hmm.

Or the ability to really impact things.

The actual shift, and this is the way
that this technology's meant to be

used, is after there's a reaching a
certain level of purification, there's

a, and this is what we're hitting
up against, there's a requirement.

To, to when we're, as we're moving to
these higher frequencies, to not ingest

things that are lower frequencies.

Audree Tara: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And so part of that, the only way
to do that, you know, while, while they're

still eating, you know, natural foods
and, and, and, and, and purifying the

foods energetically and so on, there's a
requirement for our evolutionary process.

That we start moving more towards pure
light-based nutrition just because we

need to have a, a, a healthier mix of,

Audree Tara: and that's
not what I'm talking about.

I'm, I'm actually talking about when
you are purified in your, in a high

vibrational state and you're in a high
state of consciousness and there's an

activation within your physical body too.

There's work to be done.

That

Michael: that work,

Audree Tara: that the magnification
and the amplification that happens is

that is how you impact all of society.

Right?

Michael: So we're coming
back to the original topic.

If that, that's how we actually
create the impact, right?

Or, or, or change our reality
or make our life better, or, you

know, fill, fill in the above.

Audree Tara: Yeah.

Michael: Heal.

Heal the disease.

Audree Tara: It is just interesting
because it all came down to, you

know, why is humanity so oppressive?

It's like, it's, it's, it's
on self-destruction mode.

And when you look at it, it was
born into self-destruction mode

and it's still genetically,
energetically we're holding onto these

Michael: societally.

Audree Tara: Well, we're holding
onto these templates within our own

being of deep, deep self-hatred,
and it's covered up by this false.

Self-denial, ways of
perception, of self-perception.

And there's no thinking
your way out of it.

Michael: Right?

Well, the whole old consciousness based
on self-deception, that's like rule one.

I'm gonna separate and I'm separate.

Done check.

Audree Tara: That's not true.

Michael: But that's the
joke of the whole thing.

That's, that it's actually impossible.

That are source, source conscious
of what the, what fuels everything.

And so it's not actually the s No
separation was actually possible.

Right.

And so, so that, that, that, well,
that, that's the other thing.

And that's why the whole, while the
whole concept, see the self-deception,

the illusion is only in perception.

It's only in perception.

There's a physical reality, and
the physical reality is bearing

the cost of those misperceptions.

Audree Tara: That's why, that's
why I say, that's why she

say about the word illusion.

Michael: It makes you ill,

Audree Tara: it make, it's, you are making
yourself ill and, and by taking action, by

your own, your very own perception mm-hmm.

Is making you ill.

Michael: Right.

And so that, that's why we say
that the, the, while ultimately

it's all a misperception, we
believe the misperception we've

been acting on the misperception.

We believe it so deeply.

It, it's been embedded
lifetime after lifetime.

In all these, you know, corrupted
consciousness loops of various different

deeply imprinted forms of self-hatred
and, and self-sabotage within us.

And then we go through life and it
emerges and we think, oh, oh my goodness.

You know, consciously
we're not aware of it.

'cause you know, the self, because
the self-deception we have is

the foundation of, of the egoic
consciousness is so powerful.

And we think life is happening
to us and we're stuck in a

situation and we can't change it.

And, and, and, you know, if only I do this
one thing, then I can blah, blah, blah.

And it's just this endless loop
because we're dealing with an

endless loop on the inside.

Audree Tara: Remember, um,
this is a few years ago, I

was, I became really aware of.

Of realizing, like you kept
asking me, oh, why are you gonna

go study with this teacher?

Mm-hmm.

We have the techniques here.

Why are you gonna go Stu?

Mm-hmm.

Do this.

And, and what I was
understanding from my, um, my

diving into consciousness and what is
it and how do you, how do you shift it?

Um.

I was looking at the 10
Methods of Awakening.

'cause I was, I was in the mm-hmm.

The bre, the breathing course
or breath facilitation work.

And

I realized

Michael: it was Anatomy of Awakening.

That was the new one.

Audree Tara: Yeah.

I realized with Michael, Brian Baker.

Mm-hmm.

And what I was, what I realized
was that we need, there were

10 methods of awakening.

And one method was not enough
to pull somebody into an

awakened state of consciousness.

Like one method was not enough to
shift consciousness because what's

happening on the planet now is
like what I, what I called it is

we're swimming in an ocean of shit.

That is so deep and so thickly and
heavily polluted that one method isn't

enough and that we need all the methods.

And so what we started to understand was
I already had the evolutionary energetics.

And then I started doing yoga, and
then we, you know, we, well, we

met in India and we started doing
the, the awareness work and the

work with the egoic consciousness.

And then I started studying breath work.

And then I started studying
Breatharian, you know, prana

breathing and uh, feeding on prana.

Like, like, it's like.

We need everything.

And one of the methods of awakening
is, uh, plant-based medicine.

And so I tried plant-based
medicine and how does that work?

And is that helpful?

And how does, you know?

And it's like, I don't,
I don't recommend it.

Um, but it's like understanding.

I think that this is where our work
has kind of evolved into, and some

of it spontaneously because like I
downloaded a mantra and now we use

mantra, and now we're using light
codes because we got light codes.

It's like, it's

that.

When you describe that, the consciousness
loop that we're in, that's like a

very, very powerful infinity mirror.

And to break that infinity mirror,
to stop that looping consciousness

takes a lot of technology knowledge,
techno tools and techniques and effort.

What were you scanning?

Michael: Oh, I was, uh,

so the deviations ended.

Audree Tara: Mm-hmm.

That's the one that's, I think
that's the biggest piece.

Michael: The, the egoic
consciousness has been deleted.

Audree Tara: Yes.

Michael: Which is another big piece.

Audree Tara: And up until last year
it was imp You couldn't even get

outta that looping consciousness.

So, 'cause the deviation
was still in play.

Michael: So what's happening now is
that what everyone's experiencing,

while the, the experience may be the
same, the possibility of evolution

through that is, is vastly accelerated.

Audree Tara: Mm-hmm.

Michael: So what it means is the,
the locks, the deep, deep locks.

That we're in place preventing the
evolution of humanity have been removed.

And what that means is there's an
evolution possible now, like never before.

And coming back to the tools, and I
said this earlier, that the level of

precision, of the path of do this, do
like, you know, step one, I mean, you

know, a hundred levels each level's got.

10 plus steps.

It, it's extremely sophisticated
and complex this journey.

And what we've discovered is no teacher
we've ever met anywhere had, even,

like I I say, the, the, the teaching
system of all the teachers and systems

we went to, the greatest coverage
they have, the path is less than 10%

Audree Tara: because all those tools
and techniques were, were designed

within the deviation itself for

Michael: survival within the deviation.

Yes.

And so what we're talking about is
something fundamentally different.

Of any other technology, of,
of consciousness on the planet.

This is a specific technology,
step-by-step for humanity for this

time, specifically given for exiting
this incredibly difficult situation.

And I think that's really the
one of the biggest barriers.

And I certainly had to work through
this barrier of, oh, I'm not

ready to look at something else.

I already have this thing, I'm
not ready, look at something else.

Mm-hmm.

And that self-imposed limitation.

Of not having a beginner's mind, not
ready to be open to the possibility

is actually a symptom of the ego of
consciousness that has a lock on people.

That's why we start our courses with
unlearning as as this fundamental

aspect, because without that, we
can't open ourselves to possibility.

That's why we say, what if it
were true, what it were true?

Because that's a way to create.

Uh,

Audree Tara: it's the most
powerful question because that

question can unlock everything.

I know it did for me.

Michael: And while you're talking
about this, you know, studying with

teachers, I trying to figure out
when did we stop studying with other

teachers and, and when did we stop
using other technologies and tools?

And I think the last one to go
was I did the TM City program.

Mm-hmm.

And we were both doing, I mean, it's a
really rigorous program with, with, uh,

physical yoga and then, uh, then the
mantra and then the T TM city practices.

Mm-hmm.

And it was about an hour and 50,
an hour and 20 minutes twice a day.

And I was doing this
like, like religiously.

Oh yeah.

For months.

Audree Tara: Both of us.

Yep.

Michael: Months for months.

Audree Tara: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And

Audree Tara: we even went to India.

Michael: Yeah.

And, and the, uh, and then the E two
mantra came in and we started using that.

And then we were done.

Like, it's just,

Audree Tara: actually

Michael: it

Audree Tara: was,

Michael: I think

Audree Tara: that was
the, it was before that.

It was, it was even before that.

So I, I came into the, so I was,
I've been practicing for since 2015.

TM meditation.

TM meditation.

And I, even with all my
other stuff, I always.

Found it very, very helpful.

Michael: It's, we were recommending
it to our students for a period of

about a, a year, a year and a half,

Audree Tara: couple years,

Michael: because it was the best thing
that was available to support resetting.

This was before we had
nervous system reset.

Audree Tara: Yep.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree Tara: And what happened was
that I was in me in a TM meditation

and I had a mystical experience.

Where Maharishi's face came right up
to me and said, take teacher training.

And at that time I didn't even
know there was a teacher training.

Mm-hmm.

I like, because the TM organization
doesn't really, uh, you know, as far

as I, I wasn't really involved in the
organization, so I didn't know what

other things were available at all.

And.

And so when I got that, that mystical
experience, I was like, I don't

know what teacher training is.

So then I started doing some research and
I called the TM Center, um, on Cape Cod,

and I was like, is there teacher training?

And she's like, well, do you
have these advanced techniques?

Da, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, like, right.

Michael: That's how

Audree Tara: it started.

You know, like, this is the
path, if that's what you want.

And so I started going down this rabbit
hole of, of, of the TM organization

and the teachings of Maharishi.

And I remember in the beginning
like watching the videos, I'm

like, I can't even understand him.

Like what am I doing here?

But I took the, the,

Michael: it's 'cause you took
that, that that consciousness

Audree Tara: science of
creative intelligence.

It was a great course, but what
I found was I got a little book.

When I went on retreat, I got a
little book of Maharishi's book

and it was fabulous.

Like he really like goes into the physics
and quantum physics of consciousness

and, and, and unity consciousness and the
whole like, construction of the universe.

It's very fascinating and I, and I.

Totally enjoyed it.

Want was priming myself
to become a teacher.

And, and then all of a sudden I downloaded
my own mantra and then I was like,

well, what, what the, what is this?

And so then I just started practicing.

I don't know, maybe I used it like four
or five days just to see what it was.

And I was getting knocked out
like for three hours at a time.

And then I was like, Hey Michael.

Um, remember

Michael: we did that, like, we did like
the TM mantra, we did it for 20 minutes

and then we couldn't move for three hours
when we did it together the first time.

Audree Tara: It wasn't the,
you just said the TM mantra.

Michael: No, I.

Remember we used it like the TM mantra.

We did it for 20 minutes,

Audree Tara: right?

Michael: And we did a full 20
minute session with it together.

Together.

So it's amplified, right?

And then we were knocked
out for three hours.

Audree Tara: Oh yeah.

Michael: We're gonna like, what hit us?

What happened?

Audree Tara: What, yeah, what is this?

Michael: And then we.

And then when we were, you were,
uh, initiating the students and

we had them doing it, and we,
and they're getting wiped out.

We're like, oh, wait a second.

We've gotta dial this back.

Audree Tara: Yeah.

Michael: So that's why it's
is too powerful to just use

like outta the gate like that.

Audree Tara: We're just
our own, our test dummies.

Michael: Yeah.

So, uh, so I think that's
really the moment where,

but

Audree Tara: that's when we dropped.

So that's when we,

Michael: that's when we
dropped everything out.

'cause you didn't

Audree Tara: every, 'cause we were still
doing, we were still doing oneness too.

Michael: A little bit.

A little bit,

Audree Tara: a little bit.

You were doing it less.

I was more connected.

Yeah.

I of course.

'cause I had a mystical experience mm-hmm.

You know, in 2010.

So I, I, I, I have more, I
think more depth and more what?

Michael: We're at 42 minutes, so just,

Audree Tara: we're at what,

Michael: 42 minutes?

Well, 43.

Oh,

Audree Tara: that's a good number.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree Tara: Anyways, I have
more, um, honor and respect.

I think that you're more,
uh, surface level in these.

Yeah.

Michael: I'll summarize

Audree Tara: these teachings.

Michael: I tldr RA lot of
gratitude for all of our teachers

and everything we've learned.

Audree Tara: I have so

Michael: much

Audree Tara: and happened like I wouldn't
be where I am today without them.

So

Michael: what's happened was, has
transcended all that and the only other

technology we haven't mentioned is, is
human design, which is a whole other,

Audree Tara: oh my God,
I had a dream about this.

Michael: Oh, that's

Audree Tara: so good.

Like 10 years ago.

Michael: Uhhuh.

Audree Tara: More than 10
years ago, maybe 20 years ago.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: Because
10 years ago I met you.

So it was way before that.

Mm-hmm.

Whoa.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree Tara: Wow.

Okay.

Deja vu.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: Vja Day.

Something's happening.

Michael: It's a lot's happening.

Audree Tara: It's been, I can
say for me personally, it's been

very difficult for me to let go

of the teachers, the teaching, the um.

The conditioned behavior of of praying
to something outside of myself or

not understanding that I am my own,
I have my own mastery, and it's

been an incredibly difficult journey

and one that is very necessary.

To let go of all the conditioned behavior,
the perceptions, the thoughts, the

belief systems of everything that came
before this moment has been an incredibly

difficult journey and challenge for me.

And at the same time, it's
like without letting go of all

structures that came before this.

There's no ability to create new
structures in a new energetic template.

And that's been what
the she had been saying.

And at the same time, you can hear
the message, but to actually take that

into consideration is another thing.

And then to actually

Michael: actualize it

Audree Tara: completely shatter, like
even shattering the thought of marriage.

The construct of being in a partnership,
in a marriage, in a, taking bows of,

you know, being with one per until
death to us part for better, for

poor, for sickness and in health.

Like all of that has to
also come down like that's a

structure within the deviation or

Michael: that we're
responsible for other people.

Or, or, or, or, I mean,
it just goes on and on.

I

Audree Tara: mean, it
goes on and on and on.

The, the amount of

Michael: belief systems and
societal contracts, constructs that

are deeply, deeply embedded with
the patterning of the deviation,

Audree Tara: right?

And it's all about this.

Like, that's why I say that
the looping consciousness is

this like ocean, this cesspool.

That's densely and heavily
polluted that it takes so much

to pull oneself out of that to

Michael: see our allegiance to it.

Audree Tara: Oh yeah.

We have a deep allegiance.

Michael: Hmm.

So, so you're sharing about
what was difficult for you?

What was most difficult for me
and I, I think pro and actually

still is, is my allegiance to.

Misperceptions, misunderstanding,
like incorrect models, like

I, I call it model mm-hmm.

That I learned from so many
other different practices

and traditions and so on.

Um, so that's, I'd probably say 95%.

And I think we've seen it with,
with our teachings, whether it's in

leadership work or in kind of the pure
consciousness work side, is people who

don't have high, don't, are very open.

Who don't have tightly held
traditions, or I know this, or

whatever they do way better.

Mm-hmm.

Even people who know a lot less do
way better because they're, they

don't have to work against letting
go of all the old structures.

So basically the more work you've put
in to develop yourself by learning

tools and techniques means that you
have to do more work to undo all that.

Now with the good news though is that
people who've done work on themselves

are further ahead in the game.

So they're gonna get the new
teachings much, much quicker.

But so there's this kind of mixed
situation of, while they may have made

some progress, further progress in
their evolution, there's a handicap

of everything that they've learned
and attach that they now need to

unlearn so they can learn anew.

So, fun

Audree Tara: fact.

Certainly.

Michael: Okay,

Audree Tara: fun fact.

Michael: Should we close?

Audree Tara: Yeah.

Michael: Alright, let's do three minutes.

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