B Evolutionary: The Podcast

Michael: So hot topic for today.

Audree Tara: Well, I feel like this
is gonna be a really controversial

discussion.

Michael: Yeah, I could see that.

So our intent before we go into
this is we're not judging anyone.

We're not judging anything.

We're talking about the
deep mechanics of creation.

That are required for us to claim
our power and know the power we've

given away and recognize the power
we've given away so we can claim the

power that is our power for ourselves,

Audree Tara: the sovereign, the
birthright of our sovereignty

as source consciousness.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree Tara: So there's
this point in evolution.

Where you have the nosis of the I am
the oneness, the unity consciousness.

I am source consciousness.

Integrated incarnated
in the physical realm.

What were you gonna say

Michael: integrated into your
being, not as an experience.

Audree Tara: Well, the experiences all
add up to a point of full integration.

Hmm.

So we're, we're talking about, you
know, changing our reality, improving

our lives, and then it brings us to
this, to this mystical, like what the

spiritual teachings have been, you know,

Michael: talking about,

Audree Tara: talking about enlightenment.

Michael: So why don't we
talk about how this started

Audree Tara: enlightment.

Michael: So we were doing a purge
and, uh, and preparing to move.

And part of this is to
just, just get things ready.

And what I realized this morning
is that it's more than that.

It's an, it's an active consideration
of everything in our life.

Every material object to say,
what is my relationship with this?

What is the frequency of this?

What is this about?

And one of the items that I found
this morning that Audrey had

sorted out and left for me to
decide what I wanted to do with.

Was this copper plate that was
about six inches by six inches,

and it had sacred geometry on it.

Audree Tara: Engraved
with sacred geometry,

Michael: engrave with sacred geometry.

And this is a plate that I'd
used for several months for, uh,

as a part of a puja for holding
a, an intention for my life.

And

Audree Tara: a puja is
a ceremony of prayer.

Michael: Yeah, and so, so it was
really like a, a manifestation

attempt by doing this, this puja
to, to, to invoke, you know, the,

the, the, the event that I wanted.

This is a long, this is
a long time ago, and.

Yeah.

And so I was looking at it and
I was looking at, okay, well

do I keep it or do we not?

And it was kinda like there was this
mixed kind of unsettled feeling.

On the one hand it's like,
oh, it's sacred geometry.

Okay, what, what is the like,
level of sacredness, the

vibration of this geometry?

And it was high.

And I'm thinking, okay, well maybe
we keep it, you know, this is part

of, of, of, of a historical structure
of understanding sacred geometry.

And then I was talking to Audrey about
it and asking her, Hey, can you, can you

put this with the other stuff for me?

And she's like, are you
sure you want to keep it?

And then I'm looking at it more
carefully and I see, oh, wait a second.

It has Lakshmi written on it.

Audree Tara: It's a, it's a prayer.

It's a prayer to Lakshmi.

Michael: Yeah.

And so I'm going, wait a second.

I'm looking.

Audree Tara: It's an invocation
of To Lakshmi to get Lakshmi to.

Do something for you.

Yeah.

Michael: And so I'm looking at
it, wait a minute, wait a minute.

I'm looking at the fine print.

You know, you have to read the fine print.

The fine print is wait.

I'm giving my power away through
this artifact, through this

puja to this external deity.

Audree Tara: So let's slow down
for a moment and break this down.

When we pray, it doesn't
matter who we pray to, what

our religious affiliation is.

What the, the belief and
perception templates are.

It's the same for everything.

When we pray, we're asking outside of
ourselves to make something happen.

It's even in, um, when people are,
this is very interesting 'cause now

we're, we're getting into mysticism.

We're getting into, um.

The esoteric values, even within
religion, you know, every ceremony,

every ritual is, is creating and using
some sort of structured template.

Michael: Whether, whether it's the,
the deities of the, you know, the,

the Hindu mythology or it's the Virgin
Mary, or it's Jesus or God or Allah,

Audree Tara: right?

Every, every, every religion

Michael: has some

Audree Tara: sort of, every religion
has some sort of structure where they're

harnessing through ritual and ceremony.

They're harnessing an energy
of a deity within creation.

And, and, and either commanding
or asking or in prayer.

A lot of times we're begging,
we're pleading, we're negotiating.

Michael: And, and let's look at,
let's, uh, and I just wanna be really

honest here and say, and this is a
technology from within the deviation.

And does it actually have an impact
within, within the, the DV destruction?

The answer is yes.

That's why people do it.

And the reason it has a, a value
and a structure is because we

are actually giving our power
to that external perception.

And then that external perception
is just reflecting that back to us.

So that's why Faith Healing works.

So we take the work of, uh, fake

Audree Tara: healing or

Michael: faith.

Faith, faith, faith, faith.

Audree Tara: Oh, it sounded
like you said fake healing.

Michael: Faith.

Healing.

F-A-I-T-H.

So we go to the, uh, you know,
Christian more recently, Christian

Science or Mary Baker, ed Eddie.

There was these, there were these,
I mean this is like in the last,

you know, century, there are
beings, humans on this earth that

had such a strong sense of faith.

That they could faith heal, and it
was accepted by the medical system at

the time because it was so powerful.

Right.

Okay.

So,

Audree Tara: so,

Michael: so there is a, it is a
mechanism that's valid and does work

Audree Tara: of course, because
thoughts create reality.

So any ceremony that you do, any prayer

is through thought.

You are shifting the
structures of reality,

Michael: right?

So some

Audree Tara: people make this, is this,
I mean this, this is, this is true.

This is the mechanics of creation.

And all religions knew this,

Michael: right?

And so this is why other, you know, in
a more kind of non-religious context,

the way people create vision boards.

Audree Tara: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Right?

Create a vision board and put
all the things of all the things

you want, and, and, and then

Audree Tara: Pagans cast spells.

They use sacred geometry in like, I
don't, so I, I just wanna be very clear.

I don't know a lot about that stuff.

Like I don't do it, but I, when
I was young, I dabbled enough

to, to know what was happening.

I never actually cast a spell
or things like that, but I read

books to try to understand how.

Life worked because I wanted,
I wanted my life to get better.

Yeah.

Michael: Right.

Audree Tara: So, and when I was young,
I prayed to God through my religion.

I prayed to, you know, I guess
the God of the Hebrews, oops.

But I mean that I, I think this
is where, what we're getting at.

And then as we, I got older, I
explored other, other ways of

prayer, but nothing really stuck.

Then I went to India, that actually in
India, what's that face you're making?

Michael: Well, it got really weird.

Audree Tara: What

Michael: I mean, the whole,
the whole thing of this,

Audree Tara: this conversation or

Michael: No, no, no, no.

Just when things got to India, that
got very weird, at least for me.

Audree Tara: Well, because
it's not our culture.

So they did everything the Hindu way.

So they did pujas and HOAs and invoked
the, the deities of their religion.

But if you look at, you know,
I, I don't go to church.

I didn't study Christianity, so.

But I've been to church and I've seen
what they do, and they do the same thing.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree Tara: So it, it's just fascinating.

But I think what we're getting
at here is that when you pray,

what we've noticed, what we've
noticed through our evolution

of consciousness is that.

At some point, it's like, why are you
asking something outside of yourself

for favor to change things?

And what we've noticed is that every time
we do that, we are giving our power away.

And it's that power that
we need for our own being.

To, to shift and create
the life that we want

as a healer.

You know, I've, what I've seen

through healing is that do you wanna
heal or don't you want to heal?

It's never about, are you worthy?

You know, is somebody
else going to heal you?

You know, it's very obvious
that healing energy is not me.

It's between the client and the universal
frequencies, and then I've been shown

through mystical experiences how I can
heal myself over and over and over again.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: And that's where we came
up with we, we can change our reality.

And then there's all these teachings
about changing our reality.

But what does that take?

And when it comes to

actualizing and realizing that, you
start to understand that, wait a

minute, I've given my power away.

Like we give our power away
in relationship, be portrayal

of self for connection.

And then we started to notice

that we've given our power away.

Every time we pray, every time we're
asking the universe for something or

we're asking this deity for something,

Michael: it's actually, uh, so, so
a couple things when you're talking

about healing that something came
up about that, that was interesting.

And that was, you got to this place
of understanding that while someone

could say yes, and while you could
support them through an experience of

healing, even stage four cancer, you
said, Hey, we, you gotta keep on doing

these protocols and address the root
cause, otherwise it's gonna come back.

And then they didn't do that.

And then a year later they come back
and you had multiple situations where

this happens and you're like, well,
did you, you didn't come back for,

you know, sorting it through the root

Audree Tara: cause And it wasn't
coming back to me, it was coming back.

I was training.

Michael: You were trying to
give them their own empowerment.

Yes.

To take responsibility for their

Audree Tara: life through the
knowledge, tools, and techniques.

Michael: Right.

Which is why you stop being a healer.

'cause like, what's the point?

Healing one person here and there.

Audree Tara: Mm-hmm.

Michael: Unless people take
responsibility for their own incarnation.

It's not, it's not the full solution.

Audree Tara: It, it's
always been my philosophy.

I'll hold you in the
vibrational frequency.

Enough for your body
and your being to heal.

So you could stabilize
in that high vibrational

frequency, but you have to hold

Michael: the frequency yourself.

Audree Tara: That frequency,
you have to have self-mastery,

otherwise it won't work.

Michael: Right?

And so we need our own power in order to
do that, in order to hold the frequency.

And so when we're giving our power
away, we don't have the power

within us that we need to hold
that high vibrational frequency.

That allows us to create the life we
want to feel good, et cetera, et cetera.

Audree Tara: When we were cleaning out
the house yesterday, yeah, I found the

paper that, that with all the drawing
and the notes of when I was in India

Michael: mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: And I had this
sudden insight in realization.

I had an awakened moment where I
saw how gurus become so powerful.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Audree Tara: And, and that is because
there, well, there's an exchange, but when

you are devotional to something outside of
yourself, you are giving your power away.

And what happens is that gurus offer
love and they offer a way out of

your pain and suffering through.

Basically it's this unconditional love.

They hold this unconditional
love for their students.

And in doing so, the student
is, offers devotion to them.

So there's this exchange of
the student is actually giving

away their power to the guru.

So the guru becomes more powerful.

And when the guru becomes more
powerful, they have the ability to

shift and change things for the student.

So there's this, and it's,
it's very complicated because

it also has to do with, oh.

If I am devotional to this person,
this person will give me money.

Like I'll, I'll be able to have, have
wealth, I'll be able to have my health.

I'll, I, you know, whatever
you're searching for.

The guru could say, oh yeah, I'll,
I can give that to you because

you're giving your power away.

The guru becomes very, very powerful.

And has the ability to impact your
reality, and at the same time, your

thoughts thinking that the guru is
going to give this to you is also

shifting and changing your reality.

So it's almost like a ruse.

It's, I'm talking very fast because it's
very, very, i's complex understanding

of the mechanics of creation.

Like you thinking that this.

I'm gonna be very clear here.

You're thinking that your
prayer of devotion, that being

will give you or fix your life

Michael: is your act
of self disempowerment.

Audree Tara: It's,

Michael: it is your choice.

It's for self disempowerment.

Audree Tara: It's interesting
because it's like you think that

this being is going to fix your life
for you, so your life gets fixed.

So it's your thoughts that are
actually moving, moving reality.

And at the same time, you are
giving your power away consistently.

So you become disempowered, disempowered,
disempowered, and you actually don't

understand that you creating your
life, you are creating your reality,

but because you've disempowered
yourself by giving your power away.

Michael: You don't have the power
to create your reality anymore.

Audree Tara: Exactly.

Oops.

Oops.

Or it's only the subconscious that is,
you know, is, is creating your reality

so your life actually gets disempowered.

And then there's this, the subconscious
is actually running the show.

Michael: Well, there's the famous,
uh, you know, concept within, you

know, certainly within Christianity
of selling your soul to the devil.

And in some ways, everything
we're talking about, every form of

external prayer is selling our soul.

Mm-hmm.

When I say selling our soul, I'm
saying selling our soul is the

metaphor for giving away our power.

We're giving, or we're saying, we're
saying the power is outside of ourselves.

Mm-hmm.

And we do not have that power.

Right.

Audree Tara: So what we're,
we're you stop honoring, hold on.

Wait.

You stop.

No, no.

Michael: You hold on.

Audree Tara: You stop honoring.

The very fact, the truth of what
and who you are, which is source

consciousness and you become, you,
you, you stop, dev, devote you stop

the devotion in the self-love to
the truth of what and who you are.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree Tara: Like

God is not outside.

It's inside.

Like I think Jesus was saying the
kingdom of a kingdom of heaven is within,

Michael: well, that that's
actually a misquote.

It's actually the kingdom of
heaven is within and without,

or within and amidst us.

And so what he is saying
is the kingdom of heaven.

Is everywhere.

It's all of creation is one,
is actually what was said.

But there was a mistranslation, so,

Audree Tara: well there's a lot of mis

Michael: ation, so people
think its, oh, it's inside

Audree Tara: of me.

I'm, I'm sorry.

And I, I interrupted you 'cause I felt
like that was like something really, I

know.

Michael: This is just a
really exciting conversation.

Audree Tara: It is.

And it's very controversial.

So,

Michael: so what does it mean for us?

Let's just go back to our, our
journey and what's happening with us.

Audree Tara: Well, first
of all, I just wanna say.

Like when people say they're gonna
pray for me, I don't like that

because then they're, they're thinking
there's something wrong with me.

That's the other thing
is Joel Goldsmith Uhhuh.

Michael: Yeah.

Audree Tara: Never prayed for anybody
because he always said That would be me.

Think something's wrong with that person.

Michael: Right.

It would mean I, you know, that
this person's in a belief that

there's something wrong with them.

And I'm gonna collude with them in the
belief there's something wrong with them.

Audree Tara: Exactly.

Michael: And there's something
that needs to be fixed.

And so the the, so then you say,
well, how do things get better if we

don't address and go and fix things?

And the answer is, when we hold a
high vibrational frequency, that high

vibrational frequency dissolves all the
lower frequency patterns automatically.

We don't need to focus on them.

We don't need to try to get rid of them.

In fact, trying to get rid
of them makes them stickier.

So,

Audree Tara: because you're
colluding with your own being.

Michael: Yeah.

We're colluding with our, the
self-sabotage within us saying

that, oh, this thing is real.

This thing exists, and so on.

We're, we're actually giving it power.

And so that's why even these, you
know, simple practices we have at the

beginning of, of just being an awareness.

Awareness of the breath,

awareness of our anchoring into the
earth and the Christ consciousness grid.

Awareness of our state of being,
awareness of the disturbance within us.

When we start to move to a place of
just being an awareness of what's

happening without engaging, then
suddenly we have the way out of the

mind, the deviation, the limitation.

The traps.

And it's not about believing anything new.

It's about, Hey, what if we
tried this new tooling over here?

What?

What might happen?

That's why we say it's not
about believing anything we say.

It's about trying a tool or
technique and running the experiment.

So you have your own experience

Audree Tara: in what,

Michael: because there's so much,
like what I've seen with my own being

is there's so many belief systems.

That are limiting me, that,
that I've broken through

and, and it just takes time.

And it's not like we can just
get rid of them all at once.

Audree Tara: The other thing is, is
that the tools and the techniques,

what's, what is happening?

Oh, I, I don't, 'cause then
it sounds like we're selling.

No, I don't, yeah.

This

Michael: in a different direction.

It just, it was just a rose

Audree Tara: don't, so

Michael: let's go back to our experience.

Audree Tara: Well.

I don't really know what I wanna say here.

'cause I, I actually popped into a
state and the experience that I had

when I was taking back my power in
the vow, there's a, the vow ceremony.

The beings, all the beings that
I had given my power away to.

What I experienced was this pure
state of love that they were holding

my power for me until I was ready
to take it back, and that was such

a beautiful state and experience.

It wasn't like I was giving my power away
because I was, I felt bad or unworthy

or, or they were taking it from me.

It was just a holding,

like a parent, holding a child
and just unconditional love,

supporting and nurturing until
I was ready and mature enough.

Or that, you know, like I had this yes,
in my system, yes, I'm ready to fully

take full ownership and responsibility of
my power, my power to create my reality.

Like that's a lot to, to
take, it's a lot to hold onto

like this, this feeling and
experiencing the fullness of your being.

As creator of your reality, that's a
lot to hold and it's, it comes in in

waves and pieces because I feel like
for me anyways, that, you know, I

need time, time to harness that, time
to integrate that through my being.

It's like when you, you know,
when you get your power, you

need to learn how to wield it.

It consciously, responsibly.

And what is Aire with great
power comes great responsibility.

Michael: I thought it was Spider-Man.

Audree Tara: Well, he got it from Aire.

It was Uncle Ben.

I,

yeah.

And so like if, if you have
any thoughts of revenge.

Having all of your power, you know,
would, would amass great destruction.

So you wanna be in a, in a state,
in a high state of consciousness

where you understand that all
of you are part of creation.

All of creation is you,

Michael: and nothing
happened that was wrong.

It was actually just done to support
you in your journey of evolution

and your choices of experience.

Audree Tara: Right.

Michael: Which is a, which is a big one.

I mean, that's, you know,

Audree Tara: and, and I, I

Michael: almost in wackadoodle
land for most people.

Audree Tara: Yeah.

And so I can see the, the evolution of
this is like, you begin to take your

power back from all the, the trauma
that you've experienced in your life.

And then you take your power back
in relationship, like all the places

you betrayed yourself for connection.

So it's like these, it's like.

You know, it's like the faucet turns
on, but it's dripping just a little bit.

Just enough so you could start to take
ownership and responsibility, like

you stop blaming others for, you know.

Um, your, your mishaps in your life, or

Michael: where we started taking
responsibility for our inner state instead

of projecting it on the outside world.

Mm-hmm.

I mean, these are the, you know, important

Audree Tara: steps.

Stop blaming your boss for a terrible
experience at work, and you start

to say, how, how am I creating this?

You know, those little,
those little drips.

Michael: I think the little,
I think that's a big one.

I think the little drip that comes
before that is just, let me see how this

disturbance that my boss is creating
has nothing to do with my boss, that

I've experienced this before in my life
and it's just something inside of me.

Mm-hmm.

And that's the, the, the ownership
piece that, that's important.

Yeah.

Audree Tara: So

Michael: as a step towards
understanding, how am I creating this?

I spilled my tea.

Audree Tara: Yes.

I see that.

Michael: Anyway, there was
something that was coming up that,

that I felt was really important.

Mm-hmm.

Is there is a precursor to this, this
unlock of, of notice or awareness and

that was that, or connected with this.

Maybe it didn't come
before, maybe it came after.

Is that there's, that when

you ask your neighbor to come
over and help you move a sofa.

They help you move the sofa, they
give you the support, the assistance,

and you have gratitude for them.

Yeah.

It's very, very

Audree Tara: natural.

You give them a cup of
coffee, you feed them.

Michael: Yeah.

And so the question is, is
your neighbor above you?

Are they better than you?

And the answer is, well, no.

We're, we're all, we're all just people.

Everyone's equal.

And it's the same with.

The guide.

It's the same with the transmission.

It's the same with any
teachers that you have.

Is that when you shift your relationship
to that as, oh, they're like my neighbor.

They're just coming here to help.

Uh, not, I don't even say the help,
'cause I'm not gonna go into that.

But they're here to gimme
support, support and assistance.

Mm-hmm.

And I have gratitude for them
giving me support and assistance.

It becomes clean.

It becomes a clean relationship.

And so that's where,

Audree Tara: right,
you're not hooking them.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

And so that's why

Audree Tara: you're not
grabbing onto their energy.

You're not

Michael: fun.

Fact, you know, with the, the, the portal
of February 17th, we've entered the age of

Aquarius, and I looked up what that means.

'cause I, I don't have a mystical
background, so I'm like, well, what

does it, what the heck does that mean?

So I use, you know, my
favorite ai, and away we go.

And it goes, oh, well, well, that's the,
that's the end of the age of the guru.

And we're entering the
age of self-empowerment.

I mean, this is, this is what
the AI came up with from kind of

the general knowledge out there.

But I've been saying, going back to,

Audree Tara: we've been saying this

Michael: like 10 years, 18 times, and this
is what we've been talking for 10 years.

And I go, what?

I know why.

I mean, this is, you know, kind of
me kind of moving through my, my

journey with a, you know, low level

Audree Tara: as Mr.

Magoo,

Michael: as Mr.

Magoo.

I mean, that's just that, I mean, I'm
just gonna embrace that 'cause that's who

I am, like having no awareness of that.

And.

You know, that's what we're all
about is self-empowerment and self

mastery to take control of, of our
incarnation and our experience.

And so, so there was this realization
that's what equality means.

And so it's not about not taking support
and assistance from other beings, whether

they're human beings on the planet,
whether they're, uh, energetic guides.

Light beings that are here
to support your evolution.

Whether it's what we connect in with,
which is the, the transmission of this

work, which of course if we all unpack
it all, the transmission of this work

is just you as source consciousness,
sending a wake up call to yourself that

you're perceiving externally as the
transmission of this work that you're

taking support and assistance from.

And so, you know, it, it's
really you helping you at the

deepest level of creation.

But that's why we say when there
are these beings that are aspects of

creation, that is like our neighbor.

We're taking support and assistance.

And we have gratitude.

But there's no hierarchy.

There's no better.

There's no above.

And I know our guides have been trying
to explain this to us and keep on

saying this for almost a year now.

Understand.

And it's likeand.

It took me this long to get it.

Audree Tara: Understand you.

You take a little bit longer.

Michael: I know.

But when I get it, I really get it.

Audree Tara: Very good.

Michael: Yeah.

Well, sometimes you need the tortoise
and sometimes you need the hare.

Audree Tara: I know.

So what are we getting at here?

Michael: What are we getting at?

We saying we're, it's all
about what we're talking about.

Self-mastery.

It's like, which means self-empowerment.

Audree Tara: When Moses stood in front
of Pharaoh and said, let my people go.

There's so much truth in these,
these stories and these metaphors.

Michael: Well, so I think
what we're getting at here is

that no one is enslaving you.

Audree Tara: You're enslaving yourself.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

Exactly.

Exactly.

And the thing is that you say we're,
we're going back to what a principle is.

Well, what if it were true?

How am I doing that?

And when you start to look at it in little
baby steps of, okay, well where am I?

Where am I limiting myself?

Where am I enslaving myself?

Oh, I'm projecting my inner
experience on the external reality.

Someone is making me angry.

Someone is giving me a bad,
some situation, is giving

me a bad day at work, right?

And, and not taking responsibility for
own experience to say, Hey, wait a second.

This is going on within my physiology.

Like I left work now I'm experiencing
this thing in my physiology.

It's nothing to do with work.

It's in me.

Audree Tara: Right,

Michael: but we've, but
this is the whole trap.

We're so conditioned not to take,
take that or No, not have the tools.

Audree Tara: Even driving to work and
sitting in traffic, you get so angry.

I remember because I grew up in Chicago
and I would be driving downtown to go to

work, and I'd be sitting in traffic and
just getting angry and angry or nervous.

Am I going to get to work?

And then I was like.

How are we supposed to show
up at the office to do our

jobs when we're frustrated?

We're in fear and anxiety that we're
not gonna get to work on time like

this the whole way society is kind of.

Michael: Oh, you know what

Audree Tara: constructed doesn't?

It doesn't.

It functions at such a lower vibrational
frequency, and then COVID came and

then everybody stopped going to
work, and all of a sudden people are

like, oh my God, what do you mean?

I get to stay home and
I could work from home.

And all of a sudden everybody's
level of psychological safety like

started to stabilize in their being
because they didn't have to rush.

I mean, like, think about it,

Michael: or be an oppressive workplace.

Audree Tara: Be an oppressive
workplace where they're terrified.

Try to get up, get dressed, get the
kids off to school, da da, da, da.

Then get themselves to work
on time, like all these.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree Tara: Ooh.

Michael: Well, you know what I just got?

Audree Tara: Hmm.

Michael: When you're talking
about driving and I was feeling

into it, I never, I then, this
is a new, new information for me.

What I was feeling into is that
it's not just our own fear.

Everybody else is in the same boat.

Mm-hmm.

And, and there's this collective like
energy around fear, stress and worry,

anger, frustration on the highway.

Audree Tara: Yeah.

That

Michael: you're on the
roads at the traffic light.

And then I was feeling into the, I
grew up in Toronto, so there was a

subway system that I mostly used for
getting around and I was feeling into

what does it feel like on the subway?

On the subway, it's a different energy.

That's, that energy is not there
because everyone's in the same boat.

Okay, well, you know, we're just
on the subway and it's gonna get

us there when it gets us there.

Audree Tara: Exactly.

Michael: And there's
nothing that we have to do.

And it is like there's a
surrender built in mm-hmm.

To using the transit system.

Audree Tara: Yes.

Michael: Which is maybe why
people in Europe, maybe why

people in Europe are calmer.

'cause they, they use transit more.

Audree Tara: Well, here's
the thing, it's slower.

You, you know, you're like, you know, the
time that the train is coming, you know,

you, you've already calculated how long
it's gonna take for you to get to work.

Like, I love taking the train into work.

In fact, when I started meditating every
day I was, I had a 45 minute train ride.

To get to work, and I would
meditate on the train mm-hmm.

Every single day.

And then you would walk, you know,
how long it would take to walk, you

know, sometimes it was cold and stuff,
but, you know, it was relatively easy.

You didn't have to worry about
accidents, you didn't have to

worry about traffic on the highway.

You didn't have to worry about,
you know, finding a parking spot.

All these things were gone.

So, yeah.

Michael: And, and then I'm, I'm
feeling into the next layer, which is.

And no matter which system we're
in, whether on the the roads

or we're on a on transit, we're
in other people's energy field

Audree Tara: mm-hmm.

Michael: With everything
going on with them.

And so even if

Audree Tara: we, which is why
I don't like taking the subway,

Michael: right?

Yes.

I've noticed that about you.

Yeah.

And, and so, so as they become more
aware of it, so then I think even for

us, and this is what we do, is we just
play environment purification on a loop.

Every time we're traveling, when
we're going through the airport,

when we're, you know, in a, in
a, in an Uber all, all the time.

And, and it's just like this layer
of protection that's really needed.

Otherwise we're just, we're just,

Audree Tara: well, it's not a layer
of protection because we need it.

It is shifting the energy of the
environment around us and it's actually

a benediction to everywhere we go.

How did we go from prayer
being disempowered to this?

Michael: I talked about, we were
talking about traffic and the stress

of going into work and I was talking
about, but that's how it works, Audrey.

Audree Tara: I know,

Michael: right?

And so, so what I was getting at though

Audree Tara: random conversations, what

Michael: I was getting at
though with the environment.

Audree Tara: Yeah.

Michael: When we start to have the
awareness, understanding of how

the environment is impacting us.

And we can take steps to, otherwise
we're getting wa I mean, we're all,

we're all part of the collective
consciousness of humanity.

So we're, I mean,

Audree Tara: oh, it's
how we get disempowered

Michael: and until, I mean,
there's certain technology when

put in place to, to support
that, um, which are really cool.

And until, you know, even without
those, we're still in an environment.

And so having the environment
be supportive, oh.

You know what that reminds me of what
that reminds me of, you know, moving

to, holding a, a, you know, this,
this sacred intention for everything

we do of how we eat, of, of, of, of
all the things in our environment

and the, you know, the environment
purification is just part of that.

Mm-hmm.

It's just how do we live in
vibration vibrational frequency?

How do be aware of everything?

Audree Tara: How do we and
the frequency, everything

Michael: around us

Audree Tara: support our own self-mastery?

How do we stay in high vibrational
frequency, moment to moment?

It's all, it's all needed.

It's all relative or all supportive.

Michael: So ultimately what we're
saying, and this is what's going

on for us, is looking at every
single thing, call it egoic.

Behavior or pattern of saying, okay,
well, you know, in looking at it, not just

from an awareness perspective, but how
am I giving my power away through this?

What is the, what is the impact of
this on the energetics of, of my being?

Audree Tara: Mm-hmm.

Michael: And in creation.

Mm-hmm.

We're not talking from like an
intellectual perspective here.

We're talking from like, like
experiencing and having a, a

nosis and a visceral understanding
of, oh, this is what's going on.

Which, like I grew up in a non-religious
scientific household where, you

know, talking about energy or,
you know, even body sensations.

I remember like, I shut down my
emotional system and was highly unaware

of my body until I was in my forties.

When I started to go, wait a minute,
uh, I remember going to the, I mean,

I just a, a fun story about that.

When I went to the doctor, the doc,
I go, yeah, I got a pain in my leg.

She goes, well, where?

And I go, I don't know, in my leg.

And, and it is like I had such a
disassociation from my own physiology,

the awareness of having my own physiology.

I, I, that was a, like
a reflection of that.

It's like I just didn't have the
awareness as a self-protection and

survival mechanism, and that's the
state many people in this planet are in.

And so that's really the starting place
of getting back in contact with ourselves.

Well,

Audree Tara: that's why we're so
distracted and like to be distracted

because if we stopped for a moment.

To be in stillness and silence.

What happens?

What do you find?

And it's, it's that, it's the way in,
that's the way through is through that

stillness because we hold everything
energetically, emotionally, physic.

We hold it physically in our body.

And so the way in is through the body.

The way out is through the body.

Not only that, but it, what we're
doing is we're, we're bringing

an awareness.

We talk about being in, in our
own power and disempowered.

The disempowerment is that
we've turned away from the

truth of what and who we are.

As, as sovereign beings of,

Michael: yeah,

Audree Tara: so consciousness.

Michael: So I, I don't,
I don't like to say that.

'cause then you says, well, everyone
will say, well, this is my experience.

I, well, I never remember turning away.

And it's not about that.

It's, it's that I, I like to
think of it more as, or the way I

understand is we're born into slavery.

We're born into not knowing
the truth of who we are.

We're born into disempowerment and
we're conditioned in it, and we're

born into a society that reinforces
the conditioning of disempowerment.

Audree Tara: Right.

Unconsciousness.

Michael: Yeah.

Unconsciousness, non awareness.

And not having the technologies or
having distorted technologies for

trying to find a way out or trying
to find the, the truth of, of what's

going on, and tools to recognize and
harness the truth of what we are.

And so.

That, that's what I see is it's not
that we've turned away, it's that well,

we are that and we have no awareness.

And this goes back to self-deception.

Audree Tara: Well,
we're deeply conditioned

Michael: self-deception and the the
conditioning and the belief systems

that we've given our allegiance to
because we've been born into them

is what's holding us in a grit.

Audree Tara: Even spirituality
has this notion of

that the spiritual bypass.

The up and out of your body.

Uh, you know, a lot of people
love astral travel or, or, or to

have these mystical experiences,
which are basically just the mind.

So it, it's,

Michael: so we're clearly putting astral
travel in the same categories as drinking

beer or having sex to distract ourselves.

Audree Tara: Yeah.

Michael: Fun fact.

Audree Tara: Fun fact.

Michael: Wow.

So

this is very rich.

Audree Tara: Well, if our consciousness is
deeply rooted in being in a physical body,

Michael: if

Audree Tara: there must
be a reason for it.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree Tara: And you know, after you
transition and your body is gone, you

have all the time in the world to,
or the universe to as astral travel.

And it's interesting because
there's, there's purpose to it.

There's a purpose to astral
travel, which is, I'm not my body.

To give you that experience, oh, wait
a minute, I'm not my body, but if

you are not your body, and I'll be,
you know, the one that I've astral

traveled, it's never been on purpose.

It's always been happening.

And I remember a time in India
where I did astral travel.

I left my body.

And the whole entire time, there was
something talking to me, telling me how

the universe works and that we have power
over creation to create our reality.

And it was giving me
the mechanics of that.

And then, and when I came back into my
body, I had the canker sore that I, it

was like there for 10 days in my mouth.

And I was like, well, if I can shift,
change my physical reality, then I can

heal this canker sore and I can act.

I actually felt the ar the edges around
that canker sore, like moving and the

canker sore was gone within a few minutes.

Michael: Hmm.

Audree Tara: So that's what I'm saying
is while Astral travel gives you this.

Experience that you're not, your body,
that the mechanics of creation are, are

different than what you think they are.

Where the, you think the physical
realm is solid and unchangeable.

That's the potential of.

Having these mystical experiences,
it's only to bring that experience

back into the physical reality.

Michael: Right.

Or, or ayahuasca or psychedelics.

Mm-hmm.

They're just there to give you a
different perspective, and the work

is about harnessing that perspective.

Audree Tara: Right.

To shift and change your
reality, your physicality.

Michael: Mm-hmm.

All right.

Anything more before we close.

Audree Tara: When I had that experience
that this morning of taking my power back.

When I was finished,

I turned my attention on humanity,
and I had such a deep passion.

The awareness of this, this passion
inside of me, it was like let my

people go, was so powerful in my being.

I have this avenger mm-hmm.

Type of personality in my system.

It's like I want everybody to have
that gnosis and the experience

of, of taking their power back.

Michael: I feel so good.

Audree Tara: I want people to, to
know, to experience, to, to have that

gnosis of the truth of what and who
they are, and I want it for myself.

And then when I have it, it's like I'm so
full in this knowing, in this experience.

I want everybody else to have that
same experience for themselves.

It's such a deep, deep,
deep desire and passion,

and at the same time.

It's like that, that you know that
saying you can lead a horse to

water, but you can't make them drink.

It's so true.

Like there's nothing

that I can do personally for anyone
and such also that deep knowing that

it's a choice that everybody has.

Michael: And it can't
be another their way.

'cause it's towards self-mastery.

Towards ownership.

Audree Tara: Yeah.

That's the internal, it has to be
that the desire, the passion that

leads to that choice within your own
being has to be very, very, it has

to be, the only thing that you do is,
is to take that choice for yourself.

Michael: Okay, let's do three
minutes and then we'll close.

Audree Tara: Okay.

Michael: So do a three minute
E two mantra transmission.

Just tune into the frequency.

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